Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[DrWilgy]

Pretty sure the game is ez money if we just yeet Sloonei and LC.

This is probably just scum Wilgy. Where is the reasoning? Does anyone care to hold Wilgy to account for his so-called opinions? Is this "edgy"?

Bad take, you know better LC and this is why you are scum.

I don't think I have ever correctly been told that I "know better than this" in Mafia. Trust me, I don't know better. I don't even know what angle you're taking here. Are you saying "well this is how Wilgy always plays, so it's NAI"?

I get that you don't know better. Perhaps the better way to say this is that I think this is unlike you.

Generally you and I have the same wave when we are town. Parse what information we have until the picture has narrowed down until we can shift into Maximum Overdrive. You and I are late game players.

Your sus on me for that matter seems off meta my dood.

Not really. I'm not in Maximum Overdrive. My meta isn't one where I don't give any suspicions before lategame.

Pretty sure my meta is to suspect people for not-rock-solid reasons, if we're looking into it? I don't usually make big cases like some great players, and when I do put something larger together about a person, it's a reaction piece to going through their ISO. I haven't gone through your ISO, but, nor am I pushing you very hard at all. I just said "Why not Wilgy"? Right?

I didn't feel that was "Why not Wilgy" but that feel was also lingering from our d1 interactions. You do describe your play better than I do at least.

[Long Con]

Like, for LC to be scum after reading the host post, both you and JPIC would either have to be in on it or be tricked as well. I don't think that's right.

What is this, I don't follow. Sorry, I'm multi-tasking right now - Zoom online class.

[DrWilgy]

Like, for LC to be scum after reading the host post, both you and JPIC would either have to be in on it or be tricked as well. I don't think that's right.

What is this, I don't follow. Sorry, I'm multi-tasking right now - Zoom online class.

Discussion upon your mechanic clear and my convo woth Ted.

[Kylemii]

at least he didn't lie about being op, unlike the lie about the posting restriction

To be fair I would be OP with any role.

[DrWilgy]

Basically me acknowledging that the mechanic clear makes sense.

Also how I came to that conclusion without your iso.

[DrWilgy]

So out of the votes on me, there's no way they are all civ right?

[DrWilgy]

@Syn do tell why you voted for me last phase?

[Kylemii]

that was as a joke I am sorry for my hubris

[Long Con]

Pretty sure the game is ez money if we just yeet Sloonei and LC.

This is probably just scum Wilgy. Where is the reasoning? Does anyone care to hold Wilgy to account for his so-called opinions? Is this "edgy"?

Bad take, you know better LC and this is why you are scum.

I don't think I have ever correctly been told that I "know better than this" in Mafia. Trust me, I don't know better. I don't even know what angle you're taking here. Are you saying "well this is how Wilgy always plays, so it's NAI"?

I get that you don't know better. Perhaps the better way to say this is that I think this is unlike you.

Generally you and I have the same wave when we are town. Parse what information we have until the picture has narrowed down until we can shift into Maximum Overdrive. You and I are late game players.

Your sus on me for that matter seems off meta my dood.

Not really. I'm not in Maximum Overdrive. My meta isn't one where I don't give any suspicions before lategame.

Pretty sure my meta is to suspect people for not-rock-solid reasons, if we're looking into it? I don't usually make big cases like some great players, and when I do put something larger together about a person, it's a reaction piece to going through their ISO. I haven't gone through your ISO, but, nor am I pushing you very hard at all. I just said "Why not Wilgy"? Right?

I didn't feel that was "Why not Wilgy" but that feel was also lingering from our d1 interactions. You do describe your play better than I do at least.

You're just OMGUSing me, aren't you? I mean, you were.

[DrWilgy]

that was as a joke I am sorry for my hubris

Kyle you are beautiful. Never apologize for what you ate.

[DrWilgy]

This is probably just scum Wilgy. Where is the reasoning? Does anyone care to hold Wilgy to account for his so-called opinions? Is this "edgy"?

Bad take, you know better LC and this is why you are scum.

I don't think I have ever correctly been told that I "know better than this" in Mafia. Trust me, I don't know better. I don't even know what angle you're taking here. Are you saying "well this is how Wilgy always plays, so it's NAI"?

I get that you don't know better. Perhaps the better way to say this is that I think this is unlike you.

Generally you and I have the same wave when we are town. Parse what information we have until the picture has narrowed down until we can shift into Maximum Overdrive. You and I are late game players.

Your sus on me for that matter seems off meta my dood.

Not really. I'm not in Maximum Overdrive. My meta isn't one where I don't give any suspicions before lategame.

Pretty sure my meta is to suspect people for not-rock-solid reasons, if we're looking into it? I don't usually make big cases like some great players, and when I do put something larger together about a person, it's a reaction piece to going through their ISO. I haven't gone through your ISO, but, nor am I pushing you very hard at all. I just said "Why not Wilgy"? Right?

I didn't feel that was "Why not Wilgy" but that feel was also lingering from our d1 interactions. You do describe your play better than I do at least.

You're just OMGUSing me, aren't you? I mean, you were.

Yes and No. Definitely OMGUS-y but more so I was still feeling out our earlier interactions.

[Master Radishes]

Maybe we need to yeet Wilgy just because we can't let him get to late game or else he's gonna throw it bawd on D1 gut reads.

I'm joking but also I'm not.

[Master Radishes]

Based *

God damn auto

[DrWilgy]

Maybe we need to yeet Wilgy just because we can't let him get to late game or else he's gonna throw it bawd on D1 gut reads.

I'm joking but also I'm not.

Poor joke

[tedxtr]

Like, for LC to be scum after reading the host post, both you and JPIC would either have to be in on it or be tricked as well. I don't think that's right.

What is this, I don't follow. Sorry, I'm multi-tasking right now - Zoom online class.

Discussion upon your mechanic clear and my convo woth Ted.

i must be pretty convincing if all i had to say was "he's just a villager"

maybe if you're a villager you can convince me as well

[DrWilgy]

Like, for LC to be scum after reading the host post, both you and JPIC would either have to be in on it or be tricked as well. I don't think that's right.

What is this, I don't follow. Sorry, I'm multi-tasking right now - Zoom online class.

Discussion upon your mechanic clear and my convo woth Ted.

i must be pretty convincing if all i had to say was "he's just a villager"

maybe if you're a villager you can convince me as well

Idk dude. Silver bullets are effective and the evidence lined up.



I'd rather hunt scum than convince people things.

I can attempt to mechanically clear myself, BUT I'm really bad at that and would need at least 1 cycle.

[tedxtr]

I can attempt to mechanically clear myself, BUT I'm really bad at that and would need at least 1 cycle.

you can either hard clear or not hard clear yourself. "i can attempt" doesn't sound like you actually can.

[DrWilgy]

@Justplayingitcool are you a known busser?

[DrWilgy]

I can attempt to mechanically clear myself, BUT I'm really bad at that and would need at least 1 cycle.

you can either hard clear or not hard clear yourself. "i can attempt" doesn't sound like you actually can.

I need my target not to die.

[Justplayingitcool]

@Justplayingitcool are you a known busser?

I have previously bussed hard as scum, but let me link you a recent game of mine where I was scum: https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/118/t2 ... fia-day-3/

[tutuu]

Lol im not feeling wilgy scum but my reads are generally <rand accurate so whatever

For my personal sanity id like 112 yeet but im going to trust u guys

I also dont feel comfortable with MR being at 5 votes can we fix that pls @Kylemii @Jackofhearts2005 @Made @Sloonei

[DrWilgy]

I can attempt to mechanically clear myself, BUT I'm really bad at that and would need at least 1 cycle.

you can either hard clear or not hard clear yourself. "i can attempt" doesn't sound like you actually can.

I need my target not to die.

Also not to be role swapped or role blocked for that matter. Like I said. Bad at this. I've never been one to effectively use game mechanics.

[Master Radishes]

I can attempt to mechanically clear myself, BUT I'm really bad at that and would need at least 1 cycle.

you can either hard clear or not hard clear yourself. "i can attempt" doesn't sound like you actually can.

I need my target not to die.

Me.

[tedxtr]

I can attempt to mechanically clear myself, BUT I'm really bad at that and would need at least 1 cycle.

you can either hard clear or not hard clear yourself. "i can attempt" doesn't sound like you actually can.

I need my target not to die.

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

==MECH SPAGHETTI BULLSHIT MASTER POST VERSION 2==

Changelog from previous version:

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-elaborated more on Dizzy wrt Martin
-added syn's claim and therefore elaborated on sloonei and MR
-added kyle shooting nook and stealing tim's shot
-added long con tracking n3
-added jpic small ambiguous gift
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DEAD:
cat - yeeted d1 - post silencer. put in contact with jackofhearts during d2 by hyena's communicator role

dyachei - killed n1 - vengeful. attempted to be put in contact with (nutella?) during d3 by hyena's role, allegedly they were afk

marmot - yeeted d2 - tetris blockhead - long con claims to have played tetris on d2 so allegedly marmot visited LC n1; MR claims to have played tetris on d3 so allegedly a role that uses power of dead targeted MR during n3

mac - killed n2 - neighbourizer - targeted nutella at (some point?); nutella claims to have had BTSC with mac during d2 and n3; i think he was 1-shot. put in contact with timsup2nothing during d4 by hyena's role

falcon - killed n3 - negative utility umm vanilla town - presumably dead because ran out of spiders

nanook - killed n3 - mafia goon with no abilities. shot by kyle n3 using tim's vig shot

LIVING:
112 - claims to have targeted someone during n2; her action failed and she was vaguely told of that (relation to MR's redirector-esque claim)

Alison - claims 3p gambit demon. chooses a target at day, they converse during night and accept or reject, at the end of the following day the deal is sealed and on the following night target can use action.
d1 long con tracker effective as of n2
d2 kyle steal-power-for-1-night-of-person-u-voted effective as of n3 (so d4)
d3 falcon protective effective as of n4
she redirects all night actions and votes that were supposed to land on her to her target instead if they accept the deal. she has hard claimed all the power she can give and everything about her role

DrWilgy - no info

Dyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful. backs up martin's claim, allegedly they make sense together.

Hyena - a role that lets a dead person be in BTSC with living person. n1 - cat with jack (confirmed by jack). n2 - dyachei with (i forgot who, nutella?). n3 - mac with tim (confirmed by tim). tracked by long con during n3 and seen visiting tim and mac

JackofHearts2005 - some kind of cop that forces target to quote. holstered on all nights; thought his role is funny words

JustPlayingitcool - claims that there was some kind of benefit to the number of people on marmot's wagon reaching 10. also claimed to have received something during n3 that he isnt sure whether or not its positive or negative

Kylemii - claimed that he needed to be silenced during d2 to power himself up. claimed that he knows falcon and long con are same alignment unless he was roleblocked or one of those is 3p. on d4 claims mech info that tutuu is town. also used alison's power steal to steal tim's shot on n3 and use it to shoot nanook

Long Con - claims to have played tetris on d2. soft cleared by kyle's mech info. n2 forgot to submit track and it was stolen by marmot anyway. n3 tracked hyena and saw him visiting mac and tim

Made - claims some kind of baseball role

Master Radishes - claims a redirector-esque role. n1 - nanook to presumably no effect. n2 - 112 to some effect. n3 - hollowkatt to no effect according to hkat. has won a roleblock by syn's tetris, that is yet to be used i believe

MartinGG99 - claims a role that has both positive and negative utility. they go hand in hand . n1 falcon. n2 JPIC. n3 nutella. 1/2 of his action on nutella failed. dizzy can partially back it up

Michelle - no info

nutella - was in neighbourhood with mac. was not attacked on n3 (im not sure if this was confirmed by her or by martin or dizzy or multiple people). swapped with jack by her own abiilty

Sloonei - silenced d2 by syn

Syn - backup of the yeet. n1 uset cat's silencer to silence sloonei. n2 used marmot's tetris to play vs MR, scored 0 on purpose. n3 used jack's role on i think nanook?

tedxtr - no info

hollowkatt - MR claims to have disrupted his target on n3. hollowkatt claims he doesnt know about it

Timsup2nothin - n3 vig. shot tutuu on n3. shot failed due to kyle sealing it

TonyStarkPrime - no info (i think)

tutuu - allegedly town by kyle's mech info claim

ping me with any mistakes

My ability can't be disrupted as it is a passive that effects me, provided certain conditions are met.

[tutuu]

iight

[DrWilgy]

@Justplayingitcool are you a known busser?

I have previously bussed hard as scum, but let me link you a recent game of mine where I was scum: https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/118/t2 ... fia-day-3/

Ty. I'll take your word for it unless I have time this evening.

[tedxtr]

Lol im not feeling wilgy scum but my reads are generally <rand accurate so whatever

idk i haven't been pinged with anything townie

[DrWilgy]

Lol im not feeling wilgy scum but my reads are generally <rand accurate so whatever

For my personal sanity id like 112 yeet but im going to trust u guys

I also dont feel comfortable with MR being at 5 votes can we fix that pls @Kylemii @Jackofhearts2005 @Made @Sloonei

Ok if not 112 then who? Tell me tell me

[tedxtr]

i got a spice option, let's see how thread feels about it

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michelle

[Justplayingitcool]

@Justplayingitcool are you a known busser?

I have previously bussed hard as scum, but let me link you a recent game of mine where I was scum: https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/118/t2 ... fia-day-3/

Ty. I'll take your word for it unless I have time this evening.

ftr, in that game I didn't bus my teammates. I just think it's better to show you an accurate representation of me as scum which was only a month ago

[tutuu]

Lol im not feeling wilgy scum but my reads are generally <rand accurate so whatever

For my personal sanity id like 112 yeet but im going to trust u guys

I also dont feel comfortable with MR being at 5 votes can we fix that pls @Kylemii @Jackofhearts2005 @Made @Sloonei

Ok if not 112 then who? Tell me tell me

I dunno man, everyone being kinda towny

Why not 112?

[Master Radishes]

i got a spice option, let's see how thread feels about it

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michelle

I mentioned her as a tinfoil some time ago.

I think there's a case there but also probably just not.

[DrWilgy]

Lol im not feeling wilgy scum but my reads are generally <rand accurate so whatever

idk i haven't been pinged with anything townie

That's cuz you are either scum or shit at reading me. Going with the ladder based on mechanics pointed out previously.

[tedxtr]

i got a spice option, let's see how thread feels about it

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michelle

I mentioned her as a tinfoil some time ago.

I think there's a case there but also probably just not.

don't think i'm ready to pull the trigger but the last few posts i've skimmed (that weren't vcs) i really didn't like

[tedxtr]

i say last few posts but i actually don't know when that was

gonna quote them if i have higher confidence in it anyway

[tedxtr]

Lol im not feeling wilgy scum but my reads are generally <rand accurate so whatever

idk i haven't been pinged with anything townie

That's cuz you are either scum or shit at reading me. Going with the ladder based on mechanics pointed out previously.

i like going on ladders

[tutuu]

i got a spice option, let's see how thread feels about it

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michelle

Im cool with keeping her around i dont think shes a priority but i was considering putting her in upper poe, its fine if she keeps tunneling me but i hope to see her do more stuff than that

She did have a very memorable d2 i think she was super towny and solved alot then. Dropped off now in day 4 in comparison. I dunno

[DrWilgy]

i got a spice option, let's see how thread feels about it

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michelle

I like this. Felt very poorly about them taking a d1 opinion of two people who can't speak for themselves on me.

But I can't bring myself to yeet someone like them. Big sad.

[DrWilgy]

Lol im not feeling wilgy scum but my reads are generally <rand accurate so whatever

idk i haven't been pinged with anything townie

That's cuz you are either scum or shit at reading me. Going with the ladder based on mechanics pointed out previously.

i like going on ladders

Careful. I'm a lv3 rogue ladder pusher.

[Master Radishes]

i say last few posts but i actually don't know when that was

gonna quote them if i have higher confidence in it anyway

I think it's a thing to look at when it's 'uh oh a couple green flips' o'clock. I don't think she's as confidently clear as other slots by this point. But still probably just town.

[tedxtr]

i got a spice option, let's see how thread feels about it

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michelle

Im cool with keeping her around i dont think shes a priority but i was considering putting her in upper poe, its fine if she keeps tunneling me but i hope to see her do more stuff than that

She did have a very memorable d2 i think she was super towny and solved alot then. Dropped off now in day 4 in comparison. I dunno

the reason i got pinged was because off of the posts i've read it didn't really read like she was tunneled (as a villager, obv)

but i haven't read the entire thing yet to see if she made any prior case or anything

[Justplayingitcool]

i got a spice option, let's see how thread feels about it

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michelle

I like this. Felt very poorly about them taking a d1 opinion of two people who can't speak for themselves on me.

But I can't bring myself to yeet someone like them. Big sad.

Technically not true. Tim is in a chat with Mac thanks to Hyena

[Justplayingitcool]

Yeah I don't have a strong townread on Michelle either. I thought her tunnelling on tutuu likely comes more from town than mafia

[TonyStarkPrime]

I am uncomfortable being widely town read for mechanical reasons so here is some chewable tinfoil to quickly rectify that situation:

Maybe I am teammates with Made and/or Tutuu or/or someone else and I yoinked the yeetus to protect one or both of them while also night yeeting nanook for fun and towncred.

thank u for coming to my TED talk now put me back in the light green or yellow please this game is going to fuck me up for meta reads in future games if u dont and I really can't afford that

honestly mafia vig on nanook seems like the kind of poetry that could happen

[tutuu]

iight

Damn u lookin towny teddie. U deserve a promotion

Wilgy popping in to post a lot right at the moment he became a wagon on comparison to him being afk for the whole day when he wasnt a wagon could be a coincidence buttttt.....

[DrWilgy]

i got a spice option, let's see how thread feels about it

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michelle

I like this. Felt very poorly about them taking a d1 opinion of two people who can't speak for themselves on me.

But I can't bring myself to yeet someone like them. Big sad.

Technically not true. Tim is in a chat with Mac thanks to Hyena

Alright. I believe non contested mechanic stuff, but now there's post mortem chat? Link me to this.

[hollowkatt]

I also think HK is spewed pretty town

kinda been counting on that tbh

[DrWilgy]

iight

Damn u lookin towny teddie. U deserve a promotion

Wilgy popping in to post a lot right at the moment he became a wagon on comparison to him being afk for the whole day when he wasnt a wagon could be a coincidence buttttt.....

You know I play better under the gun anyways <3

[Justplayingitcool]

i got a spice option, let's see how thread feels about it

Spoiler: show

michelle

I like this. Felt very poorly about them taking a d1 opinion of two people who can't speak for themselves on me.

But I can't bring myself to yeet someone like them. Big sad.

Technically not true. Tim is in a chat with Mac thanks to Hyena

Alright. I believe non contested mechanic stuff, but now there's post mortem chat? Link me to this.

Thought about reading everything since I went to bed, and I probably will...but...


IMPORTANT MECH STUFF


Hyena handing out seance ability is confirmed, I am in a chat with Mac.

During their mason chat Nutella informed him that her role was to swap with a dead. Jack's back, that's that. It is possible that the swap removed Nutella and thwarted a NK targeting her.