Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Sloonei]

kinda think that nanook is scum but also kinda think he's not gonna get chopped until the endgame for some reason

this read isn't game specific, it's just a general comment on nanook as a mafia player.

[Marmot]

@DrWilgy @Marmot @reywaS

yo

Yoooooo.

Long day, bed calls my name, but I will catch up come play the game tomorrow.

[staypositivefriend]

@esooa - thanks for explaining the townlean on rej. i'm not sure that i share the same perspective about those specific posts being town-indicative for him - i've noticed that scum tend to try to offset their nervousness in the early game by making a lot of jokes or being overly flippant. joking about being "super towny" to deflect a scumread isn't behavior that screams: "this person is not nervous", imo. but i appreciate the perspective and i agree that his tone doesnt feel overblown

I think his posts come across as genuinely believing he is towny, which if he's scum he would not genuinely believe

mm, i think the comment that most closely reflects that mindset is him joking about being mischop bait - it's the type of joke that usually does require a certain level of comfort to be able to pull off, and i get your point about that level of comfort not meshing with what his mindset would probably be as scum (ie: nervous). i think the other posts you brought up are mostly NAI, but i'll think it over

[Marmot]

Oh Sloonei, you have 177 posts, are there important things in them?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

kinda think that nanook is scum but also kinda think he's not gonna get chopped until the endgame for some reason

this read isn't game specific, it's just a general comment on nanook as a mafia player.

Idk man I’ve been getting killed early a lot recently, as both alignments

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t like it and if you could all kindly not i would appreciate it

[Sloonei]

Oh Sloonei, you have 177 posts, are there important things in them?

I do not have any answers yet, if that's what you're asking.

[Sloonei]

Jack is mafia but also unchoppablr.

Explain how

Sloonei disabled autocorrect, probably.

First thing I do whenever I get a new phone is turn that shit off. I don't want robots telling me what I'm thinking.

[Marmot]

Oh Sloonei, you have 177 posts, are there important things in them?

I do not have any answers yet, if that's what you're asking.

Perfect, I won't read them then

[TonyStarkPrime]

My autocorrect still corrects a lot of names / three letter combos to mafia players

[Sloonei]

i have two townreads but im not gonna say who yet = )

That doesn't sound scummy at all, staypositivefriend.

Yeah, Sloonei’s a wolf. Sheep me.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost4314108

[Marmot]

I phone autocorrects Sloonei to mafia. It probably is trying to tell me something.

[KZA]

KZA

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

[Sloonei]

I decided Jack is town and wanted to throw my vote somewhere FRESH and EXCITING.

[Sloonei]

KZA

What is this player's read on the one called TonyStarkPrime?

[staypositivefriend]

i have two townreads but im not gonna say who yet = )

That doesn't sound scummy at all, staypositivefriend.

Yeah, Sloonei’s a wolf. Sheep me.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost4314108

wow, i totally missed this deepcut reference

[Sloonei]

@staypositivefriend you still there? What's your take on Chop?

i have zero reason to townread him

Did you have more than zero reason to scumread him at the time of this post?

[Sloonei]

i have two townreads but im not gonna say who yet = )

That doesn't sound scummy at all, staypositivefriend.

Yeah, Sloonei’s a wolf. Sheep me.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost4314108

wow, i totally missed this deepcut reference

All of my posts have been direct quotes from champs games, actually. Including this one!

[Alison]

This is just a contrived and fake read on martin stemming from assumptions about the contents of wolf BTSC that are at best dubious and at worst TMI. c4 is scum.

Also big sad at spending 11 years flatlining town and scum play and getting caught by a fucking plinko board

how did you feel about my response to your question, btw?

acceptable

[staypositivefriend]

This is just a contrived and fake read on martin stemming from assumptions about the contents of wolf BTSC that are at best dubious and at worst TMI. c4 is scum.

Also big sad at spending 11 years flatlining town and scum play and getting caught by a fucking plinko board

how did you feel about my response to your question, btw?

acceptable

feels like i just got a passing grade from my professor

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend you still there? What's your take on Chop?

i have zero reason to townread him

Did you have more than zero reason to scumread him at the time of this post?

not being obtuse, but i dont understand the question

[KZA]

KZA

What is this player's read on the one called TonyStarkPrime?

he's acceptable

[Sloonei]

@staypositivefriend you still there? What's your take on Chop?

i have zero reason to townread him

Did you have more than zero reason to scumread him at the time of this post?

not being obtuse, but i dont understand the question

You were asked a neutral question about a player no one was talking about at the time, and your response was skewed negative (zero reason to townread) rather than maintaining neutrality ("no read") or skewed positive ("zero reason to scumread").

Why?

[Sloonei]

KZA

What is this player's read on the one called TonyStarkPrime?

he's acceptable

What about this post then:

Spoiler: show

Scumreading Sloonei is a tactic for keeping him alive until d2 and is therefore NAI

scumreading sloonei is clearly AI

I don't like this post at all

I agree and I don't actually see what prompted TSP to say that

[Alison]

I mainly TR Falcon, been vibing with em.

Slightly TR Alison or You (whichever one commented on my TWTBW post, you guys are similar so I don’t remember)

TL Urist and SL Tony

kinda think chop is flying solo here. This looks like someone fumbling around in the dark.

moving chop to mixed.

[Sloonei]

okay so I am finally here

ready to fall on my face

Top 3 Town, Top 3 Scum.



GO!

Martin
Martin
Martin

Martin
Martin
Martin

not sure about the last two but definitely the first

though if the 2nd one is Enclave and the fourth one is NCR then I am at a loss for words

martin town

[Alison]

Might just throw both Esooa and Alison in my TR’s until I figure out which is which.

wait this makes no sense

why not go back like 2 pages and just check

this feels unnatural and you're back to a scumlean until I see a good explanation for this performativeness

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend you still there? What's your take on Chop?

i have zero reason to townread him

Did you have more than zero reason to scumread him at the time of this post?

not being obtuse, but i dont understand the question

You were asked a neutral question about a player no one was talking about at the time, and your response was skewed negative (zero reason to townread) rather than maintaining neutrality ("no read") or skewed positive ("zero reason to scumread").

Why?

oh, i answered that question in that specific way because foresight had chopchop as the third name on his list of townreads. that was my way of expressing disagreement. my actual stance on him is that i don't know

[KZA]

KZA

What is this player's read on the one called TonyStarkPrime?

he's acceptable

What about this post then:

Spoiler: show

Scumreading Sloonei is a tactic for keeping him alive until d2 and is therefore NAI

scumreading sloonei is clearly AI

I don't like this post at all

I agree and I don't actually see what prompted TSP to say that

what about that post sloonei

[Sloonei]

@staypositivefriend you still there? What's your take on Chop?

i have zero reason to townread him

Did you have more than zero reason to scumread him at the time of this post?

not being obtuse, but i dont understand the question

You were asked a neutral question about a player no one was talking about at the time, and your response was skewed negative (zero reason to townread) rather than maintaining neutrality ("no read") or skewed positive ("zero reason to scumread").

Why?

oh, i answered that question in that specific way because foresight had chopchop as the third name on his list of townreads. that was my way of expressing disagreement. my actual stance on him is that i don't know

This checks out.

[Sloonei]

KZA

What is this player's read on the one called TonyStarkPrime?

he's acceptable

What about this post then:

Spoiler: show

Scumreading Sloonei is a tactic for keeping him alive until d2 and is therefore NAI

scumreading sloonei is clearly AI

I don't like this post at all

I agree and I don't actually see what prompted TSP to say that

what about that post sloonei

Alison implied a negative read on TSP. You supported and softly bolstered it. You have made no further mention of TSP until directly prompted now, where you say he is "acceptable."

When confronted with this chain of events you play the silly dodging game you've played several other times this game.

So what's up?

[Alison]

anyone online and wanna discuss anything specific w/me?

i am tired and still not up to speed, sorry.

what's your take on the game state so far? how are we doing? what would you like to see happen over the last ~24 hours of day 1?

1. if you're town, then i want you to townread me in the next 24 hours. i can't snap my fingers and make it happen, but that's my wish. this is partially for selfish reasons and partially because i feel like it'll be good for the threadstate if we can work together. having as many people to bounce my reads off of as possible is really important to me in a game like this

2.the gamestate is fine. i'm concerned about the fact that we've been hearing from the same ~10 voices or so, when this is a 20+ player game. i feel like there are a number of people who have been able to weasel out of explaining their reads by just outright ditching the thread for long periods of times, and that makes productive dialogue a lot more difficult than it would be if we had more centralized communication. i don't really feel like any valuable towncores are forming today and i also don't feel that people who ~are~ universal townreads have any real sense of cohesion - feels like everyone is just kind of blindly stumbling around shouting their own suspicions right now

so uh....maybe the threadstate isn't as good as i thought, lmao, but most of this is probably par for the course for d1 of a game of this size. the best thing that could happen in the next 24 hours is if the players who have been largely silent today came back with strong and well-substantiated thoughts, but i don't think that's going to happen

im not worried about the gamestate because if the active voices are like sloon, you, esooa, me, none of these are players that are weak to just letting slankers slip by. low posting people like rej have already copped heat.

Town core seems to be in a fairly decent process of forming with people like falcon, esooa, epi all taking on the consensus town role but also not every game needs a town core anyway

[Alison]

I think Jess is not scum

I also think she is not scum

I'm not really seeing her push any agenda and if she's scum I'm struggling to visualize what her game is here, which might well mean she just isn't. Grasslands SPF worked to buddy specific players and push narratives. Not seeing that here.

[Sloonei]

"town core" most overrated concept in mafia, don't @ me

[staypositivefriend]

sloonei, what made you change your mind about jack?

[Sloonei]

sloonei, what made you change your mind about jack?

taking a step back.

[staypositivefriend]

sloonei, what made you change your mind about jack?

taking a step back.

elaborate?

[Sloonei]

sloonei, what made you change your mind about jack?

taking a step back.

elaborate?

I would prefer not to.

[staypositivefriend]

sloonei, what made you change your mind about jack?

taking a step back.

elaborate?

I would prefer not to.

why not?

[staypositivefriend]

watching a horror movie but ill be lurking the thread if anyone wants to talk about any reads

[Sloonei]

sloonei, what made you change your mind about jack?

taking a step back.

elaborate?

I would prefer not to.

why not?

If I answered this I would be elaborating.

[staypositivefriend]

sloonei, what made you change your mind about jack?

taking a step back.

elaborate?

I would prefer not to.

why not?

If I answered this I would be elaborating.

[Alison]

Falcon feels good too.

BoKnows should receive some attention.

I don't consider BK an innocent child yet, which means that he's >rand scum.

ay yo alison, just in case there are any Old People here could you explain what you mean when you say someone becomes an innocent child?

You know how some people just spontaneously become extremely town to the point where you have no choice but to lock them town

[Alison]

@esooa - thanks for explaining the townlean on rej. i'm not sure that i share the same perspective about those specific posts being town-indicative for him - i've noticed that scum tend to try to offset their nervousness in the early game by making a lot of jokes or being overly flippant. joking about being "super towny" to deflect a scumread isn't behavior that screams: "this person is not nervous", imo. but i appreciate the perspective and i agree that his tone doesnt feel overblown

I think his posts come across as genuinely believing he is towny, which if he's scum he would not genuinely believe

mm, i think the comment that most closely reflects that mindset is him joking about being mischop bait - it's the type of joke that usually does require a certain level of comfort to be able to pull off, and i get your point about that level of comfort not meshing with what his mindset would probably be as scum (ie: nervous). i think the other posts you brought up are mostly NAI, but i'll think it over

I'm not seeing the genuineness in the post of rej's that was quoted. Seems pretty par for the course for rej, and in line with the stuff he had in SI where he was mafia.

[Sloonei]

I have caught up. That was less eventful than I thought it would be.

@staypositivefriend could you briefly explain your rej and urist reads?

[Alison]

The more Mac stays away from the thread and the more he throws out surface level hot takes like "alison + sloonei wolf" with no follow up or bite to them the more my scumread on him is strengthened. Town Mac is a force of nature and I struggle to believe that if he had those reads genuinely he would be content to sit back and let us control the thread. This feels more like scum Mac trying to surface level replicate his typical town aggressiveness. I endorse sloonei's vote there in spirit but am not moving because I think BK is the most certain hit.

[Alison]

Assorted notes: LC's challenge on Sloonei about stuff like the moustache emoji and fart.sx feels town. I agree with Sloon that Martin giving his own name 6 times is townie.

[c4e5g3d5]

Can't sleep. Midnight mafia.

I assume your asking for my Sloon tread. Looked good early, but I agree with Mac that his LC and Dom reads look TMI'ey.

[Sloonei]

The more Mac stays away from the thread and the more he throws out surface level hot takes like "alison + sloonei wolf" with no follow up or bite to them the more my scumread on him is strengthened. Town Mac is a force of nature and I struggle to believe that if he had those reads genuinely he would be content to sit back and let us control the thread. This feels more like scum Mac trying to surface level replicate his typical town aggressiveness. I endorse sloonei's vote there in spirit but am not moving because I think BK is the most certain hit.

This is the second time that Alison has reached into my brain and put my words into the thread as her own.

But to clarify Alison's position: I don't suspect Mac for his activity level. I suspect him because his reads have felt a bit aimless, lacking conviction, etc. He's a world class provocateur when he's on the ball, but his reads so far have been of the wet noodle variety.