Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Sloonei]

@Marmot c4 says hi

[Sloonei]

well that was an inopportune time to start a new page.

[Sloonei]

Is there anyone we're not talking about as much as we should be?

Virtually everyone, because they've barely shown up. Slanker hunts suck but this thread might need some.

Which names do you include in this list, and which ones intrigue you the most?

Daughter, Wilgy, Marmot, Nook, Poison, Rej, Sawyer, Sd

Disclaimer: haven't read shit in a while

@Marmot

[Gavial]

Not sure how I feel on Jack.
Not really providing stuff when he should be.
Lacking a bit.

@Jackofhearts2005
Name your top 2 town and why you TR them.

SPF for sure. Just feels obviously town in the same way they've felt obviously town when I've played with town SPF before. I don't think I've seen scum SPF before so I could just be wrong but for now, she's at the top of my list.

Falcon is probably my second top town read. Same issue as with SPF, me not knowing his scumgame, but he feels like he feels as a townie, aggressive in a good way.

i'm ok with bo or jack being yeeted but i don't think they're particularly likely to hit enclave.

peopleseyebrow.gif

Those statements seem to contradict. Do you think we're likely members some lesser scum group or what?

How does this contradict though?
It just means he would be willing to vote you he’s just not overly confident your groupscum.
Is he suppose to vote an imaginary SR instead?

He also said he didn't know or care what alignment Bo and I are.

For the record, I don't have a strong opinion about Urist's alignment and the "this seems to contradict" should be interpreted as "can you elaborate?" not "this is a scummy thing to say."

Good talk, Urist.

Don’t like this.
He thinks he’s in the right zone here.

That's a joke. I asked Urist a question and he left without answering.

Yeah but you act as if it made you on a higher scale.
Also, your reads are like? Basic? If that makes sense.
Like “I TR them because when I played with them they played like this but IDK if they can do that as scum”
Pretty basic if you ask me.
.......

[Gavial]

Let it rand!

I'm Nagito Komaeda and my ultimate luck will not allow me to be chopped.

Loved how all of you have decided to use the term “Chop” simply because my names ChopChop.

[Marmot]

Is there anyone we're not talking about as much as we should be?

Virtually everyone, because they've barely shown up. Slanker hunts suck but this thread might need some.

Which names do you include in this list, and which ones intrigue you the most?

Daughter, Wilgy, Marmot, Nook, Poison, Rej, Sawyer, Sd

Disclaimer: haven't read shit in a while

@Marmot

Hi.

What do you want me to do with this?

[Marmot]

Let it rand!

I'm Nagito Komaeda and my ultimate luck will not allow me to be chopped.

Loved how all of you have decided to use the term “Chop” simply because my names ChopChop.

What am I, chopped liver?

[Sloonei]

Let it rand!

I'm Nagito Komaeda and my ultimate luck will not allow me to be chopped.

Loved how all of you have decided to use the term “Chop” simply because my names ChopChop.

we've been using "chop" here for a while, actually

[Gavial]

Let it rand!

I'm Nagito Komaeda and my ultimate luck will not allow me to be chopped.

Loved how all of you have decided to use the term “Chop” simply because my names ChopChop.

What am I, chopped liver?

Get over here!

[Marmot]

c4 being intrigued by me doesn't really mean anything.

[Sloonei]

Is there anyone we're not talking about as much as we should be?

Virtually everyone, because they've barely shown up. Slanker hunts suck but this thread might need some.

Which names do you include in this list, and which ones intrigue you the most?

Daughter, Wilgy, Marmot, Nook, Poison, Rej, Sawyer, Sd

Disclaimer: haven't read shit in a while

@Marmot

Hi.

What do you want me to do with this?

i want to see how the two of you will interact.

[Gavial]

I gtg but while I’m gone, can I have your read on me Marmot?

[staypositivefriend]

Let's pretend that if I was gonna iso people for their opinions, I'd just do it.

Of the current options, Bo would be getting my vote 99 times out of 100. I have been reading Foresight as town for most of the day, but his most recent behavior feels kind of like a wolf who has gone into self-destruct mode to protect their partners. But I can also still see him as a frustrated civilian in an unfamiliar environment. I get the sense based on some of the things he has done and said that games tend to go differently where he is from than they do here.

I have not seen Bo do a single thing that made me read him as town. I liked Alison's point about his reads list format mirroring somebody else's. That he produced a reads list at all while otherwise appearing totally disengaged does not bode well.

KZA is somebody I think should be getting more scrutiny. He's been almost pathologically stubborn in his mission to avoid giving detailed thoughts on things. Go scan his ISO and look for a thought that requires more than one line of text.

I currently lean town on you. Esooa, Dom, and Alison are comfortable town reads. Other town reads of varying strength include Martin, Epi, Long Con, falcon, and TSP.

Anyone not mentioned is either someone I have no read on, or I have unspecified concerns about, or are SPF.

what happened to your read on foresight?

[staypositivefriend]

Jess be honest, are you scum

absolutely. i'm not gonna get caught until the endgame, though

[Marmot]

I gtg but while I’m gone, can I have your read on me Marmot?

Immediate toneread town, but I'mma look through your posts to justify it.

[Marmot]

Is there anyone we're not talking about as much as we should be?

Virtually everyone, because they've barely shown up. Slanker hunts suck but this thread might need some.

Which names do you include in this list, and which ones intrigue you the most?

Daughter, Wilgy, Marmot, Nook, Poison, Rej, Sawyer, Sd

Disclaimer: haven't read shit in a while

@Marmot

Hi.

What do you want me to do with this?

i want to see how the two of you will interact.

Are you like a dating service for mafia? Matching people up to create interactions?

[Marmot]

Jess be honest, are you scum

absolutely. i'm not gonna get caught until the endgame, though

hmmmmm

[DaughterOfOmega]

90 minutes of Latin, and then I will probably catch up a bit

[Marmot]

@ChopChop I see a looooot of townreads but not many scumreads, is that intentional?

[Sloonei]

Are you like a dating service for mafia? Matching people up to create interactions?

Yes, it's how I met Long Con.

[Sloonei]

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

[Marmot]

Not sure how I feel on Jack.
Not really providing stuff when he should be.
Lacking a bit.

@Jackofhearts2005
Name your top 2 town and why you TR them.

i'm ok with bo or jack being yeeted but i don't think they're particularly likely to hit enclave.

peopleseyebrow.gif

Those statements seem to contradict. Do you think we're likely members some lesser scum group or what?

How does this contradict though?
It just means he would be willing to vote you he’s just not overly confident your groupscum.
Is he suppose to vote an imaginary SR instead?

Good talk, Urist.

Don’t like this.
He thinks he’s in the right zone here.

Ima like NullScum Jack.

Since he’s a competing wagon, I’ll join it.

I don't like this progression. The first post is fine, but I think ChopChop is looking for a reason to join the Jack wagon and it isn't a good one.

[Marmot]

Are you like a dating service for mafia? Matching people up to create interactions?

Yes, it's how I met Long Con.

c4 flaked on me though.

[Sloonei]

90 minutes of Latin, and then I will probably catch up a bit

Say this again, but in Latin.

[Sloonei]

Are you like a dating service for mafia? Matching people up to create interactions?

Yes, it's how I met Long Con.

c4 flaked on me though.

Don't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea.

[c4e5g3d5]

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

Oh you could've just asked about that. There were two particular moments where I got radio silence from Alison, the one I was talking about at the end was that thing where she said "you're scummy for saying that being relaxed is towny" and I said "did you just say what I think you said". The point got dropped completely with no mention, right in the middle of a big real-time chat between us.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

Current order of preference of wagons that exists otherwise are BoKnows >> Jack >> c4,


Still need to read more into c4 and other players that Urist mentioned (whose names escape my memory at this moment). I'll try to come back and do that later.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Not sure how I feel on Jack.
Not really providing stuff when he should be.
Lacking a bit.

@Jackofhearts2005
Name your top 2 town and why you TR them.

SPF for sure. Just feels obviously town in the same way they've felt obviously town when I've played with town SPF before. I don't think I've seen scum SPF before so I could just be wrong but for now, she's at the top of my list.

Falcon is probably my second top town read. Same issue as with SPF, me not knowing his scumgame, but he feels like he feels as a townie, aggressive in a good way.

i'm ok with bo or jack being yeeted but i don't think they're particularly likely to hit enclave.

peopleseyebrow.gif

Those statements seem to contradict. Do you think we're likely members some lesser scum group or what?

How does this contradict though?
It just means he would be willing to vote you he’s just not overly confident your groupscum.
Is he suppose to vote an imaginary SR instead?

He also said he didn't know or care what alignment Bo and I are.

For the record, I don't have a strong opinion about Urist's alignment and the "this seems to contradict" should be interpreted as "can you elaborate?" not "this is a scummy thing to say."

Good talk, Urist.

Don’t like this.
He thinks he’s in the right zone here.

That's a joke. I asked Urist a question and he left without answering.

Yeah but you act as if it made you on a higher scale.
Also, your reads are like? Basic? If that makes sense.
Like “I TR them because when I played with them they played like this but IDK if they can do that as scum”
Pretty basic if you ask me.
.......

Why does that make me a wolf tho?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Not sure how I feel on Jack.
Not really providing stuff when he should be.
Lacking a bit.

@Jackofhearts2005
Name your top 2 town and why you TR them.

i'm ok with bo or jack being yeeted but i don't think they're particularly likely to hit enclave.

peopleseyebrow.gif

Those statements seem to contradict. Do you think we're likely members some lesser scum group or what?

How does this contradict though?
It just means he would be willing to vote you he’s just not overly confident your groupscum.
Is he suppose to vote an imaginary SR instead?

Good talk, Urist.

Don’t like this.
He thinks he’s in the right zone here.

Ima like NullScum Jack.

Since he’s a competing wagon, I’ll join it.

I don't like this progression. The first post is fine, but I think ChopChop is looking for a reason to join the Jack wagon and it isn't a good one.

That’s exactly the impression I got and I wanted to make sure I wasn’t just no u tunneling.

[VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

@c4e5g3d5

[Marmot]

Is foresight a person?

[c4e5g3d5]

Gfdi Jack. [VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

C4 = 4see = Foresight.

It’s kinda dumb but it’s good enough.

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

[c4e5g3d5]

C4 = 4see = Foresight.

It’s kinda dumb but it’s good enough.

You can use "he".

[Marmot]

C4 = 4see = Foresight.

It’s kinda dumb but it’s good enough.

You can use "he".

Took me a second.

But.

[Sloonei]

C4 = 4see = Foresight.

It’s kinda dumb but it’s good enough.

Kinda dumb?

[Jackofhearts2005]

C4 = 4see = Foresight.

It’s kinda dumb but it’s good enough.

You can use "he".

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[Jackofhearts2005]

C4 = 4see = Foresight.

It’s kinda dumb but it’s good enough.

Kinda dumb?

I mean it’s better than Heehokun.

[c4e5g3d5]

Jack why did you pick one of my only remotely confident townreads?

[Sloonei]

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

Oh you could've just asked about that. There were two particular moments where I got radio silence from Alison, the one I was talking about at the end was that thing where she said "you're scummy for saying that being relaxed is towny" and I said "did you just say what I think you said". The point got dropped completely with no mention, right in the middle of a big real-time chat between us.

I do not feel like this sort of thing is usually indicative of a mafioso, especially one of Alison's caliber. I think it is more likely the case whenever this happens that the person just is not interested in continuing the conversation in that direction/does not feel it's necessary to do so. Or sometimes people simply forget about things, not that I would think that has happened here.

There is a lot going on, and it seems like conversations with/about you have been multi-faceted. It is difficult to follow when a conversation branches off into five different arguments. It's usually more productive to focus on a few key things. I don't look at Alison skeptically if she dropped an item or two.

That said, I have not read the conversation in question. I'm not sure I'm interested in it at this time.

[c4e5g3d5]

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

Oh you could've just asked about that. There were two particular moments where I got radio silence from Alison, the one I was talking about at the end was that thing where she said "you're scummy for saying that being relaxed is towny" and I said "did you just say what I think you said". The point got dropped completely with no mention, right in the middle of a big real-time chat between us.

I do not feel like this sort of thing is usually indicative of a mafioso, especially one of Alison's caliber. I think it is more likely the case whenever this happens that the person just is not interested in continuing the conversation in that direction/does not feel it's necessary to do so. Or sometimes people simply forget about things, not that I would think that has happened here.

There is a lot going on, and it seems like conversations with/about you have been multi-faceted. It is difficult to follow when a conversation branches off into five different arguments. It's usually more productive to focus on a few key things. I don't look at Alison skeptically if she dropped an item or two.

That said, I have not read the conversation in question. I'm not sure I'm interested in it at this time.

Okay, that's one thing, how about saying "you're scummy for saying that relaxation is towny" in the first place?

[Marmot]

@Sloonei thoughts on ChopChop? I searched through your 230+ posts and found somehow only a single mention/interaction.

Let it rand!

I'm Nagito Komaeda and my ultimate luck will not allow me to be chopped.

Loved how all of you have decided to use the term “Chop” simply because my names ChopChop.

we've been using "chop" here for a while, actually

And it's not even on topic content.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack why did you pick one of my only remotely confident townreads?

Bad luck? I mean, my reasoning for suspecting Chop is role fishing from Tony and then what I see as a dishonest push against me.

Why do you townread him?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Vote count goes 6 5 4 3 and I should change names with DOO to make the poll prettier.

[c4e5g3d5]

Jack why did you pick one of my only remotely confident townreads?

Bad luck? I mean, my reasoning for suspecting Chop is role fishing from Tony and then what I see as a dishonest push against me.

Why do you townread him?

His opening started with poorly timed shitposting and then it turned into shitposting at any cost necessary. TWTBAW-ish. Like I've said before.

[Sloonei]

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

Oh you could've just asked about that. There were two particular moments where I got radio silence from Alison, the one I was talking about at the end was that thing where she said "you're scummy for saying that being relaxed is towny" and I said "did you just say what I think you said". The point got dropped completely with no mention, right in the middle of a big real-time chat between us.

I do not feel like this sort of thing is usually indicative of a mafioso, especially one of Alison's caliber. I think it is more likely the case whenever this happens that the person just is not interested in continuing the conversation in that direction/does not feel it's necessary to do so. Or sometimes people simply forget about things, not that I would think that has happened here.

There is a lot going on, and it seems like conversations with/about you have been multi-faceted. It is difficult to follow when a conversation branches off into five different arguments. It's usually more productive to focus on a few key things. I don't look at Alison skeptically if she dropped an item or two.

That said, I have not read the conversation in question. I'm not sure I'm interested in it at this time.

Okay, that's one thing, how about saying "you're scummy for saying that relaxation is towny" in the first place?

I have no idea because I'm not Alison, I don't know the context, and I don't know for sure that she actually said those specific words. I'm sure there is a context in which that would be a valid thing to say.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei thoughts on ChopChop? I searched through your 230+ posts and found somehow only a single mention/interaction.

Let it rand!

I'm Nagito Komaeda and my ultimate luck will not allow me to be chopped.

Loved how all of you have decided to use the term “Chop” simply because my names ChopChop.

we've been using "chop" here for a while, actually

And it's not even on topic content.

I have no strong read on them. Gun to my head, I would lean town. If I have a concern, it is that they seem very comfortable remaining off the radar. I can't think of a single memorable thing they've done in this game.

[staypositivefriend]

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

acknowledging that i've seen this. my feelings about foresight from earlier in the game still remain, but it's not a position i feel particularly good or confident about defending right now

[c4e5g3d5]

Here's a whole bunch of context at once have fun.

Spoiler: show

I have a question for yeah.

What’s your highest TR?

Esooa

walk me through your thought process

I have a question for yeah.

What’s your highest TR?

Esooa

walk me through your thought process

let's be honest who here understands this game

This is super towny in a way that I might articulate after a good night's sleep but that you guys can probably vaguely see the angle behind.

Anyone not dark blue would have thought hard about the setup, and wouldn't want their thoughts on the setup to come out because it would be a huge slip risk. This post doesn't read as fake because IIRC it was in the middle of some big aimless convo between me/her/Sloon.

I have a question for yeah.

What’s your highest TR?

Esooa

walk me through your thought process

let's be honest who here understands this game

This is super towny in a way that I might articulate after a good night's sleep but that you guys can probably vaguely see the angle behind.

Anyone not dark blue would have thought hard about the setup, and wouldn't want their thoughts on the setup to come out because it would be a huge slip risk. This post doesn't read as fake because IIRC it was in the middle of some big aimless convo between me/her/Sloon.

"esooa is town because she said she doesn't understand the game and that only makes sense if she's vanilla town" is not a good argument

I have a question for yeah.

What’s your highest TR?

Esooa

walk me through your thought process

let's be honest who here understands this game

This is super towny in a way that I might articulate after a good night's sleep but that you guys can probably vaguely see the angle behind.

Anyone not dark blue would have thought hard about the setup, and wouldn't want their thoughts on the setup to come out because it would be a huge slip risk. This post doesn't read as fake because IIRC it was in the middle of some big aimless convo between me/her/Sloon.

"esooa is town because she said she doesn't understand the game and that only makes sense if she's vanilla town" is not a good argument

People shit bricks when they rand 3p and need to figure out a gameplan immediately. This game is a town and a bunch of 3ps. Therefore.

People shit bricks when they rand 3p and need to figure out a gameplan immediately. This game is a town and a bunch of 3ps. Therefore.

I think literally every 3P I've seen in my time on the syndicate has been omega chill and didn't care at all about the setup or the other players

the 3Ps here are slightly different from the usual 3Ps but regardless I don't think there's any basis for assuming that roll 3P = setup spec, nor do I think that there's any basis for assuming that setup spec = understand the game

[VOTE: foresight] aubergine

your reasoning is unconvincing and reads like the type of logic that would come out of a scum trying to sound insightful

People shit bricks when they rand 3p and need to figure out a gameplan immediately. This game is a town and a bunch of 3ps. Therefore.

I think literally every 3P I've seen in my time on the syndicate has been omega chill and didn't care at all about the setup or the other players

the 3Ps here are slightly different from the usual 3Ps but regardless I don't think there's any basis for assuming that roll 3P = setup spec, nor do I think that there's any basis for assuming that setup spec = understand the game

Guess this is a TS thing then because everything that makes scum not omega chill applies ten times more to 3p and every remotely antitown 3p I've ever seen wants as little attention as possible.

Point me to where I said setup spec = understanding the setup. The point was about whether Esooa would actually voice that.

i literally dont understand a word of what you're saying

scum arent chill or unchill by nature its dependent on player

a desire to avoid attention has nothing to do with what esooa said

esooa voicing that she doesnt understand the setup has nothing to do with anything else

scum arent chill or unchill by nature its dependent on player

Okay, I'm willing to actually keep talking about this, but first I'll need input from other people here who are familiar with the site's meta about whether or not it's actually total horseshit to call someone scum for thinking relaxedness is a tell, because this is supposed to be extremely fucking basic and disagreeing is one thing and perfectly fine but then actually making an attack out of someone doing it should be out of the question.

[Marmot]

@Sloonei thoughts on ChopChop? I searched through your 230+ posts and found somehow only a single mention/interaction.

Let it rand!

I'm Nagito Komaeda and my ultimate luck will not allow me to be chopped.

Loved how all of you have decided to use the term “Chop” simply because my names ChopChop.

we've been using "chop" here for a while, actually

And it's not even on topic content.

I have no strong read on them. Gun to my head, I would lean town. If I have a concern, it is that they seem very comfortable remaining off the radar. I can't think of a single memorable thing they've done in this game.

I don't really agree with that. I mean, being comfortable remaining under the radar is probably townie behavior, but he's also asked multiple people (including myself) to give a read on him, which isn't really trying to be under the radar.

You mention a concern, but no reason to townread them, how come you GTH townread them?