Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why is the vote distribution like this isn’t eod soon

Anyone with 0 votes at EoD are placed in the elimination pool. Mafia will decide which of those players is eliminated.

@Jackofhearts2005 I think you need to chill, having the two loose ends be Wilgy & jpic is fine.

I need to read the setup don’t I

[Urist]

Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.

Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?

Hi wolf! Sorry about your rand

See I don't think a town reaction to "I'm not saving you" is to snarkily call me a wolf. I wasn't even speaking to you.

[hollowkatt]

Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.

Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?

Hi wolf! Sorry about your rand

See I don't think a town reaction to "I'm not saving you" is to snarkily call me a wolf. I wasn't even speaking to you.

You weren't, but you did specifically say you're never voting to save me, the guy who's working hard to solve people, making good posts, and generally not being wolfy. So you coming out and saying you're never voting to save me strikes me as incredibly wolfy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Did Tony replace in or what?

[Urist]

Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.

Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?

Hi wolf! Sorry about your rand

See I don't think a town reaction to "I'm not saving you" is to snarkily call me a wolf. I wasn't even speaking to you.

You weren't, but you did specifically say you're never voting to save me, the guy who's working hard to solve people, making good posts, and generally not being wolfy. So you coming out and saying you're never voting to save me strikes me as incredibly wolfy.

Ok so you're saying that if you're town, misreading you is scummy. Got it. I'll just pretend that makes sense and doesn't look like you're looking for reasons to suspect people.

[tutuu]

REMINDERS THAT:
-TODAY'S CHOP IS REVERSED
-SELF-VOTES DON'T COUNT TODAY
-NO CHOP IS NOT AN OPTION THAT CAN HAPPEN TODAY
-THE OFFICIAL VOTES AND THE ONES I WILL COUNT ARE THE VOTES PLACED WITH THE <VOTE> TAGS ITT
-THE MAFIA CAN SUBMIT A LIST FOR DECIDING TIES EVERY DAY THAT GETS LOCKED AT THE 36TH HOUR

Official VC 3.1:

(On the left = wagon. On the right = voters)

DrWilgy - 1 - Enrique
TonyStarkPrime - 1 - Long Con
Enrique - 1 - hollowkatt
Epignosis - 2 - Guillotine, Justplayingitcool
falcon45ca - 1 - MacDougall
Guillotine - 1 - Epignosis
hollowkatt - 1 - falcon45ca
Jackofhearts2005 - 0 -
Justplayingitcool - 0 -
Long Con - 1 - TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall - 2 - DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005
112 - 1 - Urist
Urist - 1 - 112

Not voting - 0 -

Let me know if there are any mistakes


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tutuu

DrWilgy
dunya / TonyStarkPrime
Enrique
Epignosis
falcon45ca
Guillotine
Jackofhearts2005
Justplayingitcool
Kylemii
Long Con
MacDougall
Made
Marmot
Nicol Bolas / 112
hollowkatt
tedxtr
Poison / Urist

[Enrique]

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

Did Tony replace in or what?

Yes I’m here tell me what’s going on asterisk I’m leaving now to go eat pie

[Jackofhearts2005]

Did Tony replace in or what?

Yes I’m here tell me what’s going on asterisk I’m leaving now to go eat pie

Oh, you’re Dunya. Okay.

Epi is confirmed town as Marmot’s mason.

Sheep my reads that Mac and HK are obvious town. HK thinks your slot is town. Mac suspects it. LC and JPIC are probably most consensus suspects but there’s not a real strong case there.

We haven’t yeeted a wolf so we’re not in the best spot.

[tutuu]

Question: Do the Mafia have to submit a list for ties every day?

Answer: No, if they choose not to submit, then the list that they have submitted on the previous day will carry over. Only if they have never submitted a list during the entire game, will then the tiebreaker default to alphabetical order.

Also, some extra elaborations:
-I'm counting 112 as the first name alphabetically, not the last
-TonyStarkPrime's name will count as "Dunya" if an alphabetical tiebreaker occurs

[Urist]

Did Tony replace in or what?

Yes I’m here tell me what’s going on asterisk I’m leaving now to go eat pie

Pie day was yesterday bro

[hollowkatt]

Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.

Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?

Hi wolf! Sorry about your rand

See I don't think a town reaction to "I'm not saving you" is to snarkily call me a wolf. I wasn't even speaking to you.

You weren't, but you did specifically say you're never voting to save me, the guy who's working hard to solve people, making good posts, and generally not being wolfy. So you coming out and saying you're never voting to save me strikes me as incredibly wolfy.

Ok so you're saying that if you're town, misreading you is scummy. Got it. I'll just pretend that makes sense and doesn't look like you're looking for reasons to suspect people.

lol ok whatever. why do you have a wolf read on me?

[hollowkatt]

[VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

Can we get @dunya to unvote since she’s no longer in the game.

Also, I think Enrique is moderately townie and not actually in the bottom 2.

[Urist]

Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.

Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?

Hi wolf! Sorry about your rand

See I don't think a town reaction to "I'm not saving you" is to snarkily call me a wolf. I wasn't even speaking to you.

You weren't, but you did specifically say you're never voting to save me, the guy who's working hard to solve people, making good posts, and generally not being wolfy. So you coming out and saying you're never voting to save me strikes me as incredibly wolfy.

Ok so you're saying that if you're town, misreading you is scummy. Got it. I'll just pretend that makes sense and doesn't look like you're looking for reasons to suspect people.

lol ok whatever. why do you have a wolf read on me?

Aside from the above?
I don't trust the fact that you pushed so hard on ted for shitty reasons from d0. You tried to back up your argument by saying he was being defensive and deflecting, but you couldn't provide evidence for that. You pushed him and called him a lock wolf and were unwilling to reconsider your read on him until he was dead, and then after he flipped town you just moved on to the next person as if nothing happened. Your reads didn't change at all. I see no progression from you. You're just going down the line, locking in on easy targets and trying to get them executed. You tried going after Jack, and backed off after the slightest pushback.
Your turn, explain your read on me please.

[hollowkatt]

Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.

Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?

Hi wolf! Sorry about your rand

See I don't think a town reaction to "I'm not saving you" is to snarkily call me a wolf. I wasn't even speaking to you.

You weren't, but you did specifically say you're never voting to save me, the guy who's working hard to solve people, making good posts, and generally not being wolfy. So you coming out and saying you're never voting to save me strikes me as incredibly wolfy.

Ok so you're saying that if you're town, misreading you is scummy. Got it. I'll just pretend that makes sense and doesn't look like you're looking for reasons to suspect people.

lol ok whatever. why do you have a wolf read on me?

Aside from the above?
I don't trust the fact that you pushed so hard on ted for shitty reasons from d0. You tried to back up your argument by saying he was being defensive and deflecting, but you couldn't provide evidence for that. You pushed him and called him a lock wolf and were unwilling to reconsider your read on him until he was dead, and then after he flipped town you just moved on to the next person as if nothing happened. Your reads didn't change at all. I see no progression from you. You're just going down the line, locking in on easy targets and trying to get them executed. You tried going after Jack, and backed off after the slightest pushback.
Your turn, explain your read on me please.

Wow that's incredibly reductive and wrong.

Who's the easy target I'm locked onto now that I'm trying to get executed? You don't get to count there. I don't think I ever had a strong push on Jack, nor did I have them as a strong wolf read.
I had some concerns, he and I chatted, and actually formed a bit of a core yesterday (yes I walked that back with some cold feet, but then today has been better so whatever) so I dunno which HK you're reading but it's not an HK that's in this game.

Why do I wolf read you?
because you're less town than Me, Mac, Epi, Guillotine, TSP, Jack, Falcon, LC. You're about the same level of not town as 112 (which is one reason I wolf read you, your handling of that slot has been atrocious) and wigly. Slightly less town than JPIC and Enrique.

I don't see lots of solving, and I think your handling of 112 and that slot is super duper bad.
Basically, you're just not town enough to get a town read.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Did Tony replace in or what?

Yes I’m here tell me what’s going on asterisk I’m leaving now to go eat pie

Pie day was yesterday bro

math department doesn't meet on Sundays

[TonyStarkPrime]

so who we killin today

[Enrique]

Btw @Guillotine @Epignosis I'd be wary of taking certain actions such as gifting mana to other players for as long as you have those thopters on you. Not sure what they do but it's a possible tracking mechanism.

https://scryfall.com/card/c18/107/thopt ... mw_MTGWiki

they've been "permanently" marked so until the marker flips, they should holster? mmm. don't like that plan.

There's a confusion here btw. Epi and Guill both got marked (if lynched make someone vig), Mac and Guill claimed to receive thopters (no idea what they do or how long they last, but Urist's warning applies), Guill got additionally cursed / post-limited. These all appear to be separate things.

[Enrique]

Btw @Guillotine @Epignosis I'd be wary of taking certain actions such as gifting mana to other players for as long as you have those thopters on you. Not sure what they do but it's a possible tracking mechanism.

https://scryfall.com/card/c18/107/thopt ... mw_MTGWiki

they've been "permanently" marked so until the marker flips, they should holster? mmm. don't like that plan.

There's a confusion here btw. Epi and Guill both got marked (if lynched make someone vig), Mac and Guill claimed to receive thopters (no idea what they do or how long they last, but Urist's warning applies), Guill got additionally cursed / post-limited. These all appear to be separate things.

Actually we may know a bit more about the thopters - each of Mac and Guill said there vote was worth more if they voted against each other. I don't think they mentioned if that was just for today or if they know it's directly related to the thopters but I'll check their posts again.

[Enrique]

Mac is mafia. Dont vote today for that guy.

Hollowkatt is too.

I’ve been marked and i can only post 10 times today. So im gonna dip out.

I'm not tho

I absolutely am not mafia. I thought Marmot and Epi were outed at EOD but clearly not. Good show.

I received two artifacts overnight. I received no additional mana so was unable to boost my thingy. One of my artifacts adds two votes to a named player and that player is Guillo. The other is a thopter and I have nfi what it does.

I received a similar artifact, my vote counts as three if I vote for Macdougall.

Everything we know about the thopters is in this exchange afaict. Guill doesn't mention getting a thopter but the other artifact that Mac got. So only Mac has come out as having a thopter.

[Urist]

Hi wolf! Sorry about your rand

See I don't think a town reaction to "I'm not saving you" is to snarkily call me a wolf. I wasn't even speaking to you.

You weren't, but you did specifically say you're never voting to save me, the guy who's working hard to solve people, making good posts, and generally not being wolfy. So you coming out and saying you're never voting to save me strikes me as incredibly wolfy.

Ok so you're saying that if you're town, misreading you is scummy. Got it. I'll just pretend that makes sense and doesn't look like you're looking for reasons to suspect people.

lol ok whatever. why do you have a wolf read on me?

Aside from the above?
I don't trust the fact that you pushed so hard on ted for shitty reasons from d0. You tried to back up your argument by saying he was being defensive and deflecting, but you couldn't provide evidence for that. You pushed him and called him a lock wolf and were unwilling to reconsider your read on him until he was dead, and then after he flipped town you just moved on to the next person as if nothing happened. Your reads didn't change at all. I see no progression from you. You're just going down the line, locking in on easy targets and trying to get them executed. You tried going after Jack, and backed off after the slightest pushback.
Your turn, explain your read on me please.

Wow that's incredibly reductive and wrong.

Who's the easy target I'm locked onto now that I'm trying to get executed? You don't get to count there. I don't think I ever had a strong push on Jack, nor did I have them as a strong wolf read.
I had some concerns, he and I chatted, and actually formed a bit of a core yesterday (yes I walked that back with some cold feet, but then today has been better so whatever) so I dunno which HK you're reading but it's not an HK that's in this game.

Why do I wolf read you?
because you're less town than Me, Mac, Epi, Guillotine, TSP, Jack, Falcon, LC. You're about the same level of not town as 112 (which is one reason I wolf read you, your handling of that slot has been atrocious) and wigly. Slightly less town than JPIC and Enrique.

I don't see lots of solving, and I think your handling of 112 and that slot is super duper bad.
Basically, you're just not town enough to get a town read.

I'd consider 112 an easy target. Your reasoning on him is just "not solving". Your reasoning for why Bolas dug himself into a hole was "not solving". What is the definition of that? He's posting consistent reads in-thread, he tried to encourage ted to expand on his reads, he had a decent response when asked his thoughts of epi & marmot. Maybe I find it easier to read him because I come from a site where it's pretty normal to minimally expand on your reads, and I'm pretty sure the same applies for 112. But your read on him really looks like a wolf who sees a townie with a minimalist posting style and decides to go after him.

I also think you're trying to misrepresent my read on 112 as something more than it is. I see him as middling town. A lot of it recently has to do with the bad pushes on him, such as your own. But you and Mac are treating it like I have this god-read on 112 where I'm unwilling to consider the possibility that he's scum. That's not the case at all, but you're blowing up my read on 112 to try to make it look like I have TMI or something.

[hollowkatt]

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See I don't think a town reaction to "I'm not saving you" is to snarkily call me a wolf. I wasn't even speaking to you.

You weren't, but you did specifically say you're never voting to save me, the guy who's working hard to solve people, making good posts, and generally not being wolfy. So you coming out and saying you're never voting to save me strikes me as incredibly wolfy.

Ok so you're saying that if you're town, misreading you is scummy. Got it. I'll just pretend that makes sense and doesn't look like you're looking for reasons to suspect people.

lol ok whatever. why do you have a wolf read on me?

Aside from the above?
I don't trust the fact that you pushed so hard on ted for shitty reasons from d0. You tried to back up your argument by saying he was being defensive and deflecting, but you couldn't provide evidence for that. You pushed him and called him a lock wolf and were unwilling to reconsider your read on him until he was dead, and then after he flipped town you just moved on to the next person as if nothing happened. Your reads didn't change at all. I see no progression from you. You're just going down the line, locking in on easy targets and trying to get them executed. You tried going after Jack, and backed off after the slightest pushback.
Your turn, explain your read on me please.

Wow that's incredibly reductive and wrong.

Who's the easy target I'm locked onto now that I'm trying to get executed? You don't get to count there. I don't think I ever had a strong push on Jack, nor did I have them as a strong wolf read.
I had some concerns, he and I chatted, and actually formed a bit of a core yesterday (yes I walked that back with some cold feet, but then today has been better so whatever) so I dunno which HK you're reading but it's not an HK that's in this game.

Why do I wolf read you?
because you're less town than Me, Mac, Epi, Guillotine, TSP, Jack, Falcon, LC. You're about the same level of not town as 112 (which is one reason I wolf read you, your handling of that slot has been atrocious) and wigly. Slightly less town than JPIC and Enrique.

I don't see lots of solving, and I think your handling of 112 and that slot is super duper bad.
Basically, you're just not town enough to get a town read.

I'd consider 112 an easy target. Your reasoning on him is just "not solving". Your reasoning for why Bolas dug himself into a hole was "not solving". What is the definition of that? He's posting consistent reads in-thread, he tried to encourage ted to expand on his reads, he had a decent response when asked his thoughts of epi & marmot. Maybe I find it easier to read him because I come from a site where it's pretty normal to minimally expand on your reads, and I'm pretty sure the same applies for 112. But your read on him really looks like a wolf who sees a townie with a minimalist posting style and decides to go after him.

I also think you're trying to misrepresent my read on 112 as something more than it is. I see him as middling town. A lot of it recently has to do with the bad pushes on him, such as your own. But you and Mac are treating it like I have this god-read on 112 where I'm unwilling to consider the possibility that he's scum. That's not the case at all, but you're blowing up my read on 112 to try to make it look like I have TMI or something.

The last time I asked you what the basis for your town read you said functionally this: I don't think mafia Esooa posts so disinterestedly.

When I asked you how you read 112 you said you had them as about null or something to that effect. So I asked if 112 was coasting on your town read of Esooa and I don't remember an answer.
Frankly I think that's a horrible basis for a read.

[Epignosis]

I just finished work.

It should not take a half an hour to take attendance, even for extra classes.

I realize the Day ends in about five minutes, so if anybody wants to ask something before lock, go ahead. Sorry I can't be around.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Somebody vote for Enrique

[hollowkatt]

I just finished work.

It should not take a half an hour to take attendance, even for extra classes.

I realize the Day ends in about five minutes, so if anybody wants to ask something before lock, go ahead. Sorry I can't be around.

sure, I've got a question: Rhubarb Pie, yes or no

[Epignosis]

I just finished work.

It should not take a half an hour to take attendance, even for extra classes.

I realize the Day ends in about five minutes, so if anybody wants to ask something before lock, go ahead. Sorry I can't be around.

sure, I've got a question: Rhubarb Pie, yes or no

Wouldn't know.

[hollowkatt]

Somebody vote for Enrique

-k-
[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

[112]

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

Informal Chop Poll (only votes ITT count)

Poll runs till Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:00 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.
You may select 1 option

112
1
5%


Voters: Urist

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

dunya
1
5%


Voters: Long Con

Enrique
1
5%


Voters: hollowkatt

Epignosis
2
11%


Voters: Justplayingitcool, Guillotine

falcon45ca
1
5%


Voters: MacDougall

Guillotine
1
5%


Voters: Epignosis

hollowkatt
1
5%


Voters: falcon45ca

Jackofhearts2005
1
5%


Voters: Enrique

Justplayingitcool
0
No votes


Voters: None

Long Con
1
5%


Voters: dunya

MacDougall
2
11%


Voters: DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005

Urist
1
5%


Voters: 112

Unvote
0
No votes


Voters: None

No Chop
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dead/Spec/Host
6
32%


Voters: nutella, JaggedJimmyJay, Marmot, tutuu, TonyStarkPrime, Made


Total votes: 19

[Jackofhearts2005]

Somebody vote for Enrique

-k-
[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

I was about to ask you specifically since I don't think Enrique will move off me if you're voting him.

[hollowkatt]

[VOTE: guilltine] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

How do time zones work. Do we have an hour or no time or what?

[tutuu]

@DrWilgy @TonyStarkPrime @Enrique @Epignosis @falcon45ca @Guillotine @Jackofhearts2005 @Justplayingitcool @Long Con @MacDougall @112 @hollowkatt @Urist

It would appear that the Daylight saving things have caused a mysterious discrepancy.

According to google it is 6 PM EST now, which is normally the day end time

However my timezone (from Europe) hasn't changed. The day ends in 1 hour according to the polls that I have been making, and it was always 1 AM my time

To clarify, day ends in 1 hour. Post cap is now lifted. I will be looking into this DST shenanigans (is it something only for the Western hemisphere?), if anyone wishes to contact me about it please do so privately!

[hollowkatt]

LOL nice

[TonyStarkPrime]

Someone tell me who not to vote

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: guilltine] aubergine

If that was deadline and Enrique goes over, I'm yeeting both Wilgy and JPIC and if they flip town, I'm yeeting you.

Why would you want a three way tie when the mafia gets to determine ties?

If it's not EOD or if a wolf somehow goes here, disregard.

[TonyStarkPrime]

It’s not eod

[Epignosis]

LOL nice

Was that "LOL nice" I'm happy we have more time or was that "LOL nice" my last minute vote switch wasn't so last minute shit?

[hollowkatt]

Somebody vote for Enrique

-k-
[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

I was about to ask you specifically since I don't think Enrique will move off me if you're voting him.

Ok, so why did I swap to guillotine? There's enough people voting double that Guillo could potentially be randed the chop by virtue of everyone having one vote. I think the two most important people to prevent from being chopped are epi and guillo, mac shortly behind there.
Honestly I want another voter on LC too

[Jackofhearts2005]

Someone tell me who not to vote

Ideally, I want it to be between Wilgy and JPIC at 0 votes and with an extra voter on whoever Wilgy and JPIC are voting for.

If one is a townie, they'll go. RIP. Most acceptable loss in a bad scenario.

If both are wolves, we get two wolves.

Leaving 3 people tied means a townie gets yeeted unless we like properly called the entire mafia.

[hollowkatt]

LOL nice

Was that "LOL nice" I'm happy we have more time or was that "LOL nice" my last minute vote switch wasn't so last minute shit?

that was lol nice more time and also lol nice DST is stupid

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait this plan always chops town

[Jackofhearts2005]

Somebody vote for Enrique

-k-
[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

I was about to ask you specifically since I don't think Enrique will move off me if you're voting him.

Ok, so why did I swap to guillotine? There's enough people voting double that Guillo could potentially be randed the chop by virtue of everyone having one vote. I think the two most important people to prevent from being chopped are epi and guillo, mac shortly behind there.
Honestly I want another voter on LC too

That's stupid. If wolves move at the last second to yeet Guillo, that outs two of them.

I'll trade Guillo for two wolves any day of the week.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait every plan always chops town

[hollowkatt]

Someone tell me who not to vote

Ideally, I want it to be between Wilgy and JPIC at 0 votes and with an extra voter on whoever Wilgy and JPIC are voting for.

If one is a townie, they'll go. RIP. Most acceptable loss in a bad scenario.

If both are wolves, we get two wolves.

Leaving 3 people tied means a townie gets yeeted unless we like properly called the entire mafia.

OK, JPIC is on Epi and Wigly is on Mac.
So to cover we need another voter on Epi and another voter on Mac, right?

[tutuu]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

"George Hudson proposed the idea of daylight saving in 1895"

"As a result, there is one 23-hour day in late winter or early spring and one 25-hour day in the autumn."

George Hudson has been chopped! He was: a silly person

Please adjust that the EoD will be in 53 mins from now, which means 7 PM EST from now on until the end of the game (I think)

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't even have a fucking townread on Guillo.

That move was scummy af.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Well that sucks but oh well

[hollowkatt]

SOmEONE smart tell me what to do plx