Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Alison]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

[Alison]

The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

Why's this a reason to TR you? Falcon wasn't a goner, he could still have been saved.

I very rarely openly and actively defend partners

It's weird that I can't actually corroborate this meta despite having played a lot of games with you, because in the games you were scum you either had an ability that made you vig your own teammates or you were solo scum. Can anyone else testify about the accuracy of this meta?

[Quin]

do we have to lynch in alison/seanzie? Seems really stupid js

we don't.

go on.

Up until this post, Quin has expressed fairly harsh suspicion of Seanzie, both the post about garnering sympathy above as well as a later post where they argue that Seanzie and BK are wolves together. Yet they seem to believe that Seanzie should not be exed here.

@Quin Can you elaborate on this post a little more?

we don't have to lynch between you two on day 1. that's true regardless about how i feel about either of you. i wanted ts to turn that question into something worthwhile.

[Esooa]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[Quin]

there is a difference between saying 'i am not going to answer these questions because...' and not interacting with you.

as an aside, just about everything i've read in the seanzie v alison thing has been from your posts. i don't have the time to review it from alison's.

i'm not voting for either of you today.

to be honest, i'm just looking for an excuse not to lynch the birthday boy. please say things that aren't about alison tonight.

Pretty weak reason to avoid voting for someone you were harsh on earlier.

bite me

[Quin]

You wanna know why I'm not bothering to respond to your points? Because I don't need to defend myself against you. You're scummy and everyone knows it. You're trying to bait me into a long drawn out anti town thunderdome, but what you don't understand is that I have no reason to bite. Right now you are butt naked pants on head neon sign flashing mafia, which means I don't have to listen to a word you say, just bury you. Even if you somehow convince the town that I am mafia and get me exed I know this player list well enough to know that you're most likely a goner afterwards, and 1 for 1 with enough evidence to expose your whole team afterwards is a perfectly fine trade in my book.

Would you bet your life on me being mafia? Because I am okay with that. Flip me today, if Alison is okay being flipped tomorrow after I turn up town.

and my townread just went down the proverbial. it's day 1. nobody is going to take you up on this offer. offering to lynch yourself provides nothing of value and only serves to lure in sympathy.

Have some takes I want to sleep on. Be back tomorrow.

you told seanzie you didn't want to create a thunderdome or whatever, but he did it anyway. like, im actually kinda sick of reading your name in the thread at this point.

i don't like the suicide bombing thingn either, but i don't believe scum does this. do you believe scum does this?

Kindly elaborate on your progression here. You start from throwing away your Seanzie townread because he asked to be exed, and then later on said that it was a towntell.

i posted my thoughts at the time of my reading certain posts. seanzie looked bad.

then he didn't. i explained why.

[Kylemii]

quin are you mafia you have to tell me the truth you HAVE to don't lie

[Quin]

okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

Very bad look for Quin. Openly discredits the falcon wagon and then pushes the counterwagon that falcon was pushing (who is probably town).

I started out my ISO without any strong suspicions of Quin, but after reading through it knowing falcon's alignment, I'm inclined to believe that Quin is a strong candidate for falcon's teammate.

it was a bad wagon. when is a disproportional amount of posts to votes for a person ever a good sign?

[Quin]

quin are you mafia you have to tell me the truth you HAVE to don't lie

no.

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

[Kylemii]

what if it actually just straight up is seanzie nanook and falcon like alison said yesterday lol

[Quin]

alison is being mean to me so everything she says is invalid

sorry kyle, maybe next time

[Kylemii]

when did the votes on falcomn actually happen? i can't find

[Kylemii]

alison is being mean to me so everything she says is invalid

sorry kyle, maybe next time

i suppose you're right, that is how things work

[Quin]

alison is being mean to me so everything she says is invalid

sorry kyle, maybe next time

i suppose you're right, that is how things work

who are you lynching today?

[Quin]

i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

[Kylemii]

alison is being mean to me so everything she says is invalid

sorry kyle, maybe next time

i suppose you're right, that is how things work

who are you lynching today?

no one, yeets' tomorrow

[Kylemii]

i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

[Kylemii]

also, i didn't vote for you as a joke, i voted for you to create pressure between you and Seanzie

[Quin]

i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

it depends. i'm not expecting you to come out with some nothing-before-heard thing, but i'm trying to figure out if you're mindmelding with other people or if you're struggling to make freshTM content.

whether you're voting for me or not doesn't really matter. even if you have spent most of the game glued to my ass.

[Quin]

also, i didn't vote for you as a joke, i voted for you to create pressure between you and Seanzie

did you get what you were looking for? seanzie hasn't talked to me much. how does he factor in?

[ts account]

I lead the wagon onto mafia and don't get night killed

the gall of the scum team

???

[Kylemii]

i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

it depends. i'm not expecting you to come out with some nothing-before-heard thing, but i'm trying to figure out if you're mindmelding with other people or if you're struggling to make freshTM content.

neither? or i guess the mindmeld one. if i come into the thread and see someone else putting hours of effort into figuring out i'm not going to also start doing that unless i think they seem to be wrong about a lot of things. i don't really care about creating content for the sake of creating content.

whether you're voting for me or not doesn't really matter. even if you have spent most of the game glued to my ass.

ok wait what the actual heck are you talking about here please elaborate

aside from voting for you once as a joke and once for pressure, i don't think i've grilled you with questions or anything like that, how am i glued to your ass

[Kylemii]

also, i didn't vote for you as a joke, i voted for you to create pressure between you and Seanzie

did you get what you were looking for? seanzie hasn't talked to me much. how does he factor in?

it's been like 2 hours that's not how vote pressure works lol

[Quin]

i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

it depends. i'm not expecting you to come out with some nothing-before-heard thing, but i'm trying to figure out if you're mindmelding with other people or if you're struggling to make freshTM content.

neither? or i guess the mindmeld one. if i come into the thread and see someone else putting hours of effort into figuring out i'm not going to also start doing that unless i think they seem to be wrong about a lot of things. i don't really care about creating content for the sake of creating content.

whether you're voting for me or not doesn't really matter. even if you have spent most of the game glued to my ass.

ok wait what the actual heck are you talking about here please elaborate

aside from voting for you once as a joke and once for pressure, i don't think i've grilled you with questions or anything like that, how am i glued to your ass

i mean, those are the things im referring to. t's the lack of questions to go with them that's been frustrating me a little, i guess.

[Quin]

also, i didn't vote for you as a joke, i voted for you to create pressure between you and Seanzie

did you get what you were looking for? seanzie hasn't talked to me much. how does he factor in?

it's been like 2 hours that's not how vote pressure works lol

i meant yesterday oops

[Kylemii]

i mean, those are the things im referring to. t's the lack of questions to go with them that's been frustrating me a little, i guess.

i guess that's fair, but this was more of a "drive by and make sure the thread isn't a trainwreck while preparing for dnd" thing

[Kylemii]

u know? "toss out a vote and see what happens when quin and seanzie's lives are both threatened simultaneously"

[BoKnows]

Hey guys

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

[BoKnows]

Has anyone gone through c4's iso yet? I'm going to read through it now and see what I can find.

[ts account]

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

pretty 4head vote considering I was on a wolf all day yesterday

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

pretty 4head vote considering I was on a wolf all day yesterday

Okay and?

[ts account]

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

pretty 4head vote considering I was on a wolf all day yesterday

Okay and?

and I'm town

[BoKnows]

quickly went through c4's iso. He got in one mini squarrel with esooa, and maybe seanzie. Saying c4 really applied pressure is a bit of a hyperbole. Outside of these two interactions he listed them as v reads. I couldn't find a motive for him to be killed, anyone else have any thoughts on this?

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

pretty 4head vote considering I was on a wolf all day yesterday

Okay and?

and I'm town

Do you have anything to support this rather than parking your vote on scum when they were on the hot seat?

[ts account]

Do you have anything to support this rather than parking your vote on scum when they were on the hot seat?

if I try to respond to this I might get a conniption

[BoKnows]

i had a conniption when ohio state lost today

[ts account]

c4's iso is pretty all over the place they kind of walked back on a lot of reads, hard to take anything out of that iso
I don't think it's out of the question that bussing happened somewhere but I'm giving the falcon wagon a pass for a few days

I think Ratrug and Quin look the worst looking at eod so I think I'll just park here
[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[Quin]

c4's iso is pretty all over the place they kind of walked back on a lot of reads, hard to take anything out of that iso
I don't think it's out of the question that bussing happened somewhere but I'm giving the falcon wagon a pass for a few days

I think Ratrug and Quin look the worst looking at eod so I think I'll just park here
[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

the quin wagon is 2 hour parking. beep beep.

[Seanzie]

i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

it depends. i'm not expecting you to come out with some nothing-before-heard thing, but i'm trying to figure out if you're mindmelding with other people or if you're struggling to make freshTM content.

neither? or i guess the mindmeld one. if i come into the thread and see someone else putting hours of effort into figuring out i'm not going to also start doing that unless i think they seem to be wrong about a lot of things. i don't really care about creating content for the sake of creating content.

whether you're voting for me or not doesn't really matter. even if you have spent most of the game glued to my ass.

ok wait what the actual heck are you talking about here please elaborate

aside from voting for you once as a joke and once for pressure, i don't think i've grilled you with questions or anything like that, how am i glued to your ass

i mean, those are the things im referring to. t's the lack of questions to go with them that's been frustrating me a little, i guess.

I don't really like this if Quin was thinking Kyle "spent most of the game glued to his ass" because of two very short votes (and actually how it is worded, the second vote isn't even being considered there... and the first vote did look like a joke). A joke vote and a lack of grilling does not equal assglue. It seems more like Quin just wants to dissuade Kyle from considering him (which sure town has motivation to avoid suspicion, but this doesn't look like Quin wants Kyle to find him as town, this looks like Quin wants Kyle to stop considering him).

[Alison]

quickly went through c4's iso. He got in one mini squarrel with esooa, and maybe seanzie. Saying c4 really applied pressure is a bit of a hyperbole. Outside of these two interactions he listed them as v reads. I couldn't find a motive for him to be killed, anyone else have any thoughts on this?

He suspected Ratrug and Ratrug is scum is one theory.

[Quin]

i know what you think about what other people have said, but i don't know anything about your own reads. except that lynching me is funny or something.

reads and thoughts on things other people have said are synonymous aren't they?

i'm not even voting for you quin

it depends. i'm not expecting you to come out with some nothing-before-heard thing, but i'm trying to figure out if you're mindmelding with other people or if you're struggling to make freshTM content.

neither? or i guess the mindmeld one. if i come into the thread and see someone else putting hours of effort into figuring out i'm not going to also start doing that unless i think they seem to be wrong about a lot of things. i don't really care about creating content for the sake of creating content.

whether you're voting for me or not doesn't really matter. even if you have spent most of the game glued to my ass.

ok wait what the actual heck are you talking about here please elaborate

aside from voting for you once as a joke and once for pressure, i don't think i've grilled you with questions or anything like that, how am i glued to your ass

i mean, those are the things im referring to. t's the lack of questions to go with them that's been frustrating me a little, i guess.

I don't really like this if Quin was thinking Kyle "spent most of the game glued to his ass" because of two very short votes (and actually how it is worded, the second vote isn't even being considered there... and the first vote did look like a joke). A joke vote and a lack of grilling does not equal assglue. It seems more like Quin just wants to dissuade Kyle from considering him (which sure town has motivation to avoid suspicion, but this doesn't look like Quin wants Kyle to find him as town, this looks like Quin wants Kyle to stop considering him).

a vote that isn't moved by eod is no longer a joke vote. you should consider that kyle was not voting on any possible wagons yesterday.

i dunno what you're talking about by me not considering the second vote. am i embellishing with assglue? sure. i can give you 10 other posts in this thread alone where i've done the same thing.

i don't care whether kyle suspects me or not. i care about whether that suspicion is genuine. i think they are.

do you think kyle's interactions with me come from town?

[MartinGG99]

Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

Not sure if that quotes shows being "not teamed" given I'm fairly sure at that time he had 3 votes and was the cw or the main wagon, and for awhile before that I believe he had at least two votes on him from me + TS account.

[MartinGG99]

Went into Mikey's ISO thinking there would be more clearing material than I actually found. Huh.

Who is Mikey? I don’t know if this was elaborated on before they were killed at night

ts account.

In ordinary circumstances I would actually use this post as a reason to scumread ts account, since the one person who doubted the consensus townread on that slot was killed (over anyone on the falcon wagon, even).

But, hm, let's say that ts account/Mikey has a strong and well established meta of not bussing partners. I don't think it's within his scum range to be the first vote on falcon and hold it through the whole day until falcon dies.

Ts account again lol that is really interesting as it is the one I felt worst about yesterday. But I just said I was going to put that all on hold for the time being, and I did mean that. I think we have enough other suspects to look at who are “more likely”
I still have suspicion there though. I don’t know how they play at all to feel confident it isn’t something that would be done. And tbh when everyone thinks you wouldn’t vote a teammate early is the best time to vote a teammate early. I wouldn’t put moves like that past anyone in this game.

I'm not sure if TS account could have even possibly been bussing, even if we're presuming nothing about their meta.

I had earlier thought or felt like his vote fell on Falcon a bit seamlessly and I tried to get a few reactions from him. His reactions to me made his vote seem very non-w/w (w/w means wolf-to-wolf interaction).

I liked Long Con's earlier point about Falcon45ca, but I am slightly suspicious of TS jumping onto that wagon as a sheep. It kinda implies that he has no scum-reads but apparently had enough trust in a vote-count tell to put Seanzie in a town-core. Seems like he would vote people for weak reasons (if he was independently scum-hunting and not sheeping) just as he town-cores for weak reasons but doesn't.

[VOTE: TS Account] aubergine

none of this makes any sense to me

trust in a post-count

ebwop Inserted Note: Ebwop means "edit by way of post"

this makes slightly more sense to me

You also did basically a carbon-copy of Nanook's sheep, just a different person being voted.

interesting that makes me feel better about both nanook and long con

The last quote there was interesting to me because he didn't use that subject to elaborate on his own stance or say anything more about Falcon. Which is odd for a wolf to say because mafia know who the mafia are 100%.

[MartinGG99]

Esooa, why does a nanook team leave you alive?

idk why any team kills c4

Maybe it was because they were in the process of re-evaluating their reads while being roughly town-read.

Which would lead them being unpredictable for day 2.

[ts account]

Esooa, why does a nanook team leave you alive?

idk why any team kills c4

Maybe it was because they were in the process of re-evaluating their reads while being roughly town-read.

Which would lead them being unpredictable for day 2.

I can see a ratrug team killing c4 /shrug

[MartinGG99]

The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

Why's this a reason to TR you? Falcon wasn't a goner, he could still have been saved.

Idk if his voting or defending shows either way, assuming I read the VC history right then at the time he voted Esooa, BK had 2 votes and Esooa only had 1.

he could've put his vote on a higher wagon but didn't , and Esooa doesn't strike me as the sort of slot that gets commonly day 1'ed for elimination.

I cant make a confident determination about that aspect for him being towny or scummy so I'm going to avoid taking that into my reads for now.

Which means I think he's towny for his early-game sheep, and perhaps during that time he honestly believed Esooa was suspect more than BK and voted there. Its hard to tell though given his ISO barely mentions anything about BK.

[MartinGG99]

Not to mention how we seemingly have different thought patterns and you always seem to get a correct read on me, and so I hope one day I might be able to do the same if we're on opposing alignments when I'm town.

So it kinda adds to this feel of "if you're scum, I would know it" idea.

Pretty townie thought.

no

Martin and Mikey (ts account) are probably town.

i would like to know more about ts. to me, he's done the bare minimum.

Quin is not a fan of me clearing Martin and Mikey. I am pretty sure that both slots are just town - they buried a wolf D1 and neither are the kind to hard bus early. Not a good look for Quin.

Actually, I - Nevermind

Slightly joking here. I have hard-bussed before and most of my scum games have had me hard-bussing one teammate at one point or another.