Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[MacDougall]

Mac why is Falcon high on the Marmot POE list?

His interactions I observed in the ISO dig felt forced. His vote was on Al Sama and not Marmot at EOD. His EOD was not townie. If he is mafia he profiles more Marmot aligned than most. Inside the POE the rest below him are less scummy than him.

[Alison]

Marmot team POE in order

tedxtr
falcon
LC
Nanook
Al_sama
fingersplints
Dom
Strawhenge
Michelle

From splints down it is more they are here due to an absence of anything point away from them.

I can understand this, seeing as how I tried to advocate for him at the end there. I assure you that isn't the case, though. His fakeclaim seemed believable, probably because he claimed an less-common kind of role power, as opposed to cop or doctor claiming. That, and his general vibe near the end—all the 'GG town, you can do it'—right up until the EOD, it just felt like a genuine moment of a mis-chopped townie accepting their fate.

I went with my gut, but my gut was wrong.

i don’t think you’re teammates with marmot fwiw. your EoD looked like someone who didn’t know what marmot would flip and got cold feet. i don’t hold that against you

Correct, Straw was uninformed as to Marmot's alignment.

[Hally]

i do think sloonei tends to struggle with stamina as a wolf. i remember in grasslands he got a lot of heat for not doing anything in the night chats while everyone else was solving

[falcon45ca]

normally I would make Radish do this but he's not playing so you can take whatever read Falcon provides on me as 100% correct

BoKnows and I only played 1 game together on Canucks so you can take his read of me however you want

@falcon45ca is kza a villager?

Good question.

I'm not sold on him being town, but I'm giving him a town lean over scum. His reaction to being sussed hard this RD makes me want to give him space to scum hunt. If he's town, we should be able to determine it via his game solveyness...that's a word right?

If he's scum, then we should be able to solve him the same way, and I will never ever let him get away with his reaction this game to being sussed ever again.

How does this not look like I'm giving KZA a town lean over scum?

[Sloonei]

Are there any bubbling concerns I can respond to right now?

Not sure about "bubbling", but perhaps a low, ominous rumble:

You started hot and lost considerable steam. Sometimes it's difficult to maintain appearances more than 48 hours in a game where nobody ever shuts the hell up. And without a clearer expression of your overall view of the game I'm foggier on Sloonei than I usually am.

That is purely a product of my schedule. Game started on a day off. I've since worked 2 of the last 3 days. They were long and draining shifts. I also have wanted to lay a bit lower than usual this game anyway, at least to start. I'd like to let the game come to me, rather than forcing things.

[MacDougall]

Falcon's ISO is better for him in fairness. Just skimmed it and wouldn't really care to hone in on him. He'd be low priority POE to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I agree with the general sentiment Hally alluded to earlier. Though the advent of Fargo Multiball irks me because of the implications to the 4,000 posts of hunt already here and of those to come, I am less upset than I could have been. I think Marmot was caught by pretty standard POE work, and that may suggest that the normal methods aren't completely invalid yet. More vigilant skepticism will be necessary, but town reads can still be town reads.

[Alison]

There are four players that I know of that would not be flagging in activity in this game as a mafia member given everything that has happened. Two of them are confirmed town. One is hard sheeping confirmed town and also townie on play. The fourth is angleshot town and also townie on play.

Take Mac's Marmot associative POE, add a dash of salt to whoever has equity of being on the other team as well (like fingersplints or Al_sama), then tiebreak through sorting by post count. Obliterate from top to bottom. That's my solve.

[Hally]

normally I would make Radish do this but he's not playing so you can take whatever read Falcon provides on me as 100% correct

BoKnows and I only played 1 game together on Canucks so you can take his read of me however you want

@falcon45ca is kza a villager?

Good question.

I'm not sold on him being town, but I'm giving him a town lean over scum. His reaction to being sussed hard this RD makes me want to give him space to scum hunt. If he's town, we should be able to determine it via his game solveyness...that's a word right?

If he's scum, then we should be able to solve him the same way, and I will never ever let him get away with his reaction this game to being sussed ever again.

How does this not look like I'm giving KZA a town lean over scum?

your words after “town lean” do not convey to me that you believe kza is a villager. i don’t know. it was just a question

[Alison]

There are four players that I know of that would not be flagging in activity in this game as a mafia member given everything that has happened. Two of them are confirmed town. One is hard sheeping confirmed town and also townie on play. The fourth is angleshot town and also townie on play.

Take Mac's Marmot associative POE, add a dash of salt to whoever has equity of being on the other team as well (like fingersplints or Al_sama), then tiebreak through sorting by post count. Obliterate from top to bottom. That's my solve.

townslipped, not angleshot.

[Esooa]

There are four players that I know of that would not be flagging in activity in this game as a mafia member given everything that has happened. Two of them are confirmed town. One is hard sheeping confirmed town and also townie on play. The fourth is angleshot town and also townie on play.

Take Mac's Marmot associative POE, add a dash of salt to whoever has equity of being on the other team as well (like fingersplints or Al_sama), then tiebreak through sorting by post count. Obliterate from top to bottom. That's my solve.

what? Who

[Sloonei]

i would find it incredibly helpful if sloonei outlined his thoughts about the gamestate/gave a readslist

I can do this at some point.

Right now I do not have a truly comprehensive reads list. There's a handful of people I just have not paid attention to. But in general I love where the game is at. I mean, just look at this thread right now. If we're opening the door to multiball discussions then there is a bit more work ahead of us than there otherwise would be, but a wolf chop on Day 1 with lots of content to sift through is the ideal way to kick off any game, so I'd give the gamestate an A+.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That is purely a product of my schedule. Game started on a day off. I've since worked 2 of the last 3 days. They were long and draining shifts. I also have wanted to lay a bit lower than usual this game anyway, at least to start. I'd like to let the game come to me, rather than forcing things.

It happens, and I believe I can recall seeing a situation like this in the past from town Sloonei. We have a dead mafioso, so when you're ready to dig in there will be no shortage of avenues to make your presence felt. I'll leave you to do that or not do that.

[Alison]

I agree with the general sentiment Hally alluded to earlier. Though the advent of Fargo Multiball irks me because of the implications to the 4,000 posts of hunt already here and of those to come, I am less upset than I could have been. I think Marmot was caught by pretty standard POE work, and that may suggest that the normal methods aren't completely invalid yet. More vigilant skepticism will be necessary, but town reads can still be town reads.

Correct, scummy people are still scum as others have already pointed out.

In my opinion POE work is even more likely to be accurate than usual because the other team will help you out.

[falcon45ca]

normally I would make Radish do this but he's not playing so you can take whatever read Falcon provides on me as 100% correct

BoKnows and I only played 1 game together on Canucks so you can take his read of me however you want

@falcon45ca is kza a villager?

Good question.

I'm not sold on him being town, but I'm giving him a town lean over scum. His reaction to being sussed hard this RD makes me want to give him space to scum hunt. If he's town, we should be able to determine it via his game solveyness...that's a word right?

If he's scum, then we should be able to solve him the same way, and I will never ever let him get away with his reaction this game to being sussed ever again.

i guess you did say you town lean him here. but your explanation doesn’t feel like you were remotely convinced of his villageriness. that’s why i asked

Well I'm certainly not sold he's town, but do you at least see that I find it odd you question me for not having KZA in my POE when I've clearly said I town lean him?


As a thought exercise, pretend that I'm town and I'm telling you the truth in my posts about how I read things instead of the other way around.

[Alison]

There are four players that I know of that would not be flagging in activity in this game as a mafia member given everything that has happened. Two of them are confirmed town. One is hard sheeping confirmed town and also townie on play. The fourth is angleshot town and also townie on play.

Take Mac's Marmot associative POE, add a dash of salt to whoever has equity of being on the other team as well (like fingersplints or Al_sama), then tiebreak through sorting by post count. Obliterate from top to bottom. That's my solve.

what? Who

Mac is locktown to the moon and back.

Alison is claimed provable PR with a green check (more or less) on Oddmerta.

Hally is hard sheeping Mac/Alison and is basically committed to following their legacy even if they die.

Esooa is "townslipped" because of reaction to learning of multiball possibilities and has generally been townie and pushed mafia.

[Sloonei]

That is purely a product of my schedule. Game started on a day off. I've since worked 2 of the last 3 days. They were long and draining shifts. I also have wanted to lay a bit lower than usual this game anyway, at least to start. I'd like to let the game come to me, rather than forcing things.

It happens, and I believe I can recall seeing a situation like this in the past from town Sloonei. We have a dead mafioso, so when you're ready to dig in there will be no shortage of avenues to make your presence felt. I'll leave you to do that or not do that.

I will definitely be lending a hand, no one needs to worry about that.

At the very least I intend to float around the thread this evening. I'm not gonna do any ISO work, but I'll be here to comment on The Proceedings.

[Esooa]

There are four players that I know of that would not be flagging in activity in this game as a mafia member given everything that has happened. Two of them are confirmed town. One is hard sheeping confirmed town and also townie on play. The fourth is angleshot town and also townie on play.

Take Mac's Marmot associative POE, add a dash of salt to whoever has equity of being on the other team as well (like fingersplints or Al_sama), then tiebreak through sorting by post count. Obliterate from top to bottom. That's my solve.

what? Who

Mac is locktown to the moon and back.

Alison is claimed provable PR with a green check (more or less) on Oddmerta.

Hally is hard sheeping Mac/Alison and is basically committed to following their legacy even if they die.

Esooa is "townslipped" because of reaction to learning of multiball possibilities and has generally been townie and pushed mafia.

I don't get why I'm being town read for that but sure

[Alison]

I think Falcon is townie on play to be honest. I don't really care for associative reads with Marmot. Marmot isn't stupid, there will be some fake stuff in there. Anti spewing teammates or falsely spewing innocent townies. I am obviously fine with looking at Marmot associatives since I advocated starting off with Mac's associative list. But if someone is townie on play then I don't care if Marmot had a bad looking interaction with them or whatever.

[Sloonei]

and also, without having read most of the final 2 hours of the Day and nearly everything that's been said during the night phase, I am still wary of the tutuu/hally slot for all the same reasons I expressed earlier.

[Hally]

normally I would make Radish do this but he's not playing so you can take whatever read Falcon provides on me as 100% correct

BoKnows and I only played 1 game together on Canucks so you can take his read of me however you want

@falcon45ca is kza a villager?

Good question.

I'm not sold on him being town, but I'm giving him a town lean over scum. His reaction to being sussed hard this RD makes me want to give him space to scum hunt. If he's town, we should be able to determine it via his game solveyness...that's a word right?

If he's scum, then we should be able to solve him the same way, and I will never ever let him get away with his reaction this game to being sussed ever again.

i guess you did say you town lean him here. but your explanation doesn’t feel like you were remotely convinced of his villageriness. that’s why i asked

Well I'm certainly not sold he's town, but do you at least see that I find it odd you question me for not having KZA in my POE when I've clearly said I town lean him?


As a thought exercise, pretend that I'm town and I'm telling you the truth in my posts about how I read things instead of the other way around.

i apologize for not remembering exactly what you said. i’ve had to process a ton of information in a short time and can’t remember the specifics of every post i’ve seen

[JaggedJimmyJay]

and also, without having read most of the final 2 hours of the Day and nearly everything that's been said during the night phase, I am still wary of the tutuu/hally slot for all the same reasons I expressed earlier.

I think I'm fine with Hally at this point. I'll listen to arguments to the contrary. Not feeling it though.

[Hally]

and also, without having read most of the final 2 hours of the Day and nearly everything that's been said during the night phase, I am still wary of the tutuu/hally slot for all the same reasons I expressed earlier.

[Sloonei]

and also, without having read most of the final 2 hours of the Day and nearly everything that's been said during the night phase, I am still wary of the tutuu/hally slot for all the same reasons I expressed earlier.

it was mostly tutuu

[falcon45ca]

normally I would make Radish do this but he's not playing so you can take whatever read Falcon provides on me as 100% correct

BoKnows and I only played 1 game together on Canucks so you can take his read of me however you want

@falcon45ca is kza a villager?

Good question.

I'm not sold on him being town, but I'm giving him a town lean over scum. His reaction to being sussed hard this RD makes me want to give him space to scum hunt. If he's town, we should be able to determine it via his game solveyness...that's a word right?

If he's scum, then we should be able to solve him the same way, and I will never ever let him get away with his reaction this game to being sussed ever again.

i guess you did say you town lean him here. but your explanation doesn’t feel like you were remotely convinced of his villageriness. that’s why i asked

Well I'm certainly not sold he's town, but do you at least see that I find it odd you question me for not having KZA in my POE when I've clearly said I town lean him?


As a thought exercise, pretend that I'm town and I'm telling you the truth in my posts about how I read things instead of the other way around.

i apologize for not remembering exactly what you said. i’ve had to process a ton of information in a short time and can’t remember the specifics of every post i’ve seen

Apology accepted

[Hally]

i’m not sure why your read on my slot would change if you haven’t read my posts. reevaluating your read requires you read them

i trust you’ll do that at some point

[Sloonei]

i’m not sure why your read on my slot would change if you haven’t read my posts. reevaluating your read requires you read them

i trust you’ll do that at some point

meh. maybe. we're past the point no return on my ketchup aversion. I'll read what you have to say going forward.

[Hally]

and also, without having read most of the final 2 hours of the Day and nearly everything that's been said during the night phase, I am still wary of the tutuu/hally slot for all the same reasons I expressed earlier.

it was mostly tutuu

i know, i don’t actually care. i just like sticking my tongue out at people

[Alison]

I simply cannot bring myself to give even the slightest fuck about a slot that has hard committed to sheeping Mac/Alison/their legacy if they die, played a notable role in Marmot's death, and has an ongoing godread/townshield on them by Mac. There is a long, long list of names to go before I am interested in casting suspicion on that slot and I will die several billion day phases before then. So Hally is not and will probably never be my problem.

[Hally]

i’m not sure why your read on my slot would change if you haven’t read my posts. reevaluating your read requires you read them

i trust you’ll do that at some point

meh. maybe. we're past the point no return on my ketchup aversion. I'll read what you have to say going forward.

you could just skim my iso? if my slot is still high on your list of concerns it seems like a valuable use of your time

[Alison]

How about everyone come up with a list of names that you'd be willing to bet the game on being town? It can be as big or as small as you like. I'll start.

JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall
Michelle
Strawhenge

[Alison]

I forgot to include Oddmerta but he's there too.

[staypositivefriend]

my feeling about hally is that if they are a wolf, they lack a viable path to the endgame right now unless the entire consensus POE is busted. they've been providing valuable insight & solving and i am content to let them steamroll the rest of the wolves with us until i am given a reason to be actively concerned about them

i share in some of sloonei's concerns about tutuu's slot - but i feel that tutuu's final posts were villagery

[Esooa]

How about everyone come up with a list of names that you'd be willing to bet the game on being town? It can be as big or as small as you like. I'll start.

JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall
Michelle
Strawhenge

-jjj
+spf/you

[Sloonei]

I simply cannot bring myself to give even the slightest fuck about a slot that has hard committed to sheeping Mac/Alison/their legacy if they die, played a notable role in Marmot's death, and has an ongoing godread/townshield on them by Mac. There is a long, long list of names to go before I am interested in casting suspicion on that slot and I will die several billion day phases before then. So Hally is not and will probably never be my problem.

Red - Why does this earn them townie points?
Green - Why does this matter if it's multiball? (Emphasis on If there. Unless I've missed something, we still don't actually know that it's multiball)
Blue - Why does Mac's read get so much weight?

[falcon45ca]

How about everyone come up with a list of names that you'd be willing to bet the game on being town? It can be as big or as small as you like. I'll start.

JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall
Michelle
Strawhenge

JJJ
Strawhenge
BK

[Alison]

How about everyone come up with a list of names that you'd be willing to bet the game on being town? It can be as big or as small as you like. I'll start.

JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall
Michelle
Strawhenge

-jjj
+spf/you

Why -JJJ, why +SPF? Do you have concerns about JJJ?

[Sloonei]

i’m not sure why your read on my slot would change if you haven’t read my posts. reevaluating your read requires you read them

i trust you’ll do that at some point

meh. maybe. we're past the point no return on my ketchup aversion. I'll read what you have to say going forward.

you could just skim my iso? if my slot is still high on your list of concerns it seems like a valuable use of your time

i'll do whatever i feel is necessarily when the time comes to do necessary things.

No one needs to worry about what my activity level will be. I'm just saying that at this exact moment I don't have the energy to do any heavy lifting.

[Strawhenge]

How about everyone come up with a list of names that you'd be willing to bet the game on being town? It can be as big or as small as you like. I'll start.

JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall
Michelle
Strawhenge

I haven't caught up from pretty much the start of N1, but as it was at EOD (not in any sort of order):

JJJ
Alison
Michelle
MacDougall
falcon

[Hally]

i’m not sure why your read on my slot would change if you haven’t read my posts. reevaluating your read requires you read them

i trust you’ll do that at some point

meh. maybe. we're past the point no return on my ketchup aversion. I'll read what you have to say going forward.

you could just skim my iso? if my slot is still high on your list of concerns it seems like a valuable use of your time

i'll do whatever i feel is necessarily when the time comes to do necessary things.

No one needs to worry about what my activity level will be. I'm just saying that at this exact moment I don't have the energy to do any heavy lifting.

[staypositivefriend]

put me on your locktown list for a good time

[Hally]

@Esooa why haven’t you tried to read me? i would think you would have some opinion on my posts by now

[Esooa]

@Esooa why haven’t you tried to read me? i would think you would have some opinion on my posts by now

I think you're town

[Hally]

@Esooa why haven’t you tried to read me? i would think you would have some opinion on my posts by now

I think you're town

why?

[Esooa]

tutuu+this post

normally I would make Radish do this but he's not playing so you can take whatever read Falcon provides on me as 100% correct

BoKnows and I only played 1 game together on Canucks so you can take his read of me however you want

@falcon45ca is kza a villager?

Good question.

I'm not sold on him being town, but I'm giving him a town lean over scum. His reaction to being sussed hard this RD makes me want to give him space to scum hunt. If he's town, we should be able to determine it via his game solveyness...that's a word right?

If he's scum, then we should be able to solve him the same way, and I will never ever let him get away with his reaction this game to being sussed ever again.

i guess you did say you town lean him here. but your explanation doesn’t feel like you were remotely convinced of his villageriness. that’s why i asked

Well I'm certainly not sold he's town, but do you at least see that I find it odd you question me for not having KZA in my POE when I've clearly said I town lean him?


As a thought exercise, pretend that I'm town and I'm telling you the truth in my posts about how I read things instead of the other way around.

i apologize for not remembering exactly what you said. i’ve had to process a ton of information in a short time and can’t remember the specifics of every post i’ve seen

[Hally]

i already have over 200 posts. but i feel like i have a lot less. weird

[falcon45ca]

I simply cannot bring myself to give even the slightest fuck about a slot that has hard committed to sheeping Mac/Alison/their legacy if they die, played a notable role in Marmot's death, and has an ongoing godread/townshield on them by Mac. There is a long, long list of names to go before I am interested in casting suspicion on that slot and I will die several billion day phases before then. So Hally is not and will probably never be my problem.

Is this something you feel is happening now? To which player(s)?

[staypositivefriend]

i already have over 200 posts. but i feel like i have a lot less. weird

i love that you have more posts than me in a single day of being here :P

[Hally]

tutuu+this post

normally I would make Radish do this but he's not playing so you can take whatever read Falcon provides on me as 100% correct

BoKnows and I only played 1 game together on Canucks so you can take his read of me however you want

@falcon45ca is kza a villager?

Good question.

I'm not sold on him being town, but I'm giving him a town lean over scum. His reaction to being sussed hard this RD makes me want to give him space to scum hunt. If he's town, we should be able to determine it via his game solveyness...that's a word right?

If he's scum, then we should be able to solve him the same way, and I will never ever let him get away with his reaction this game to being sussed ever again.

i guess you did say you town lean him here. but your explanation doesn’t feel like you were remotely convinced of his villageriness. that’s why i asked

Well I'm certainly not sold he's town, but do you at least see that I find it odd you question me for not having KZA in my POE when I've clearly said I town lean him?


As a thought exercise, pretend that I'm town and I'm telling you the truth in my posts about how I read things instead of the other way around.

i apologize for not remembering exactly what you said. i’ve had to process a ton of information in a short time and can’t remember the specifics of every post i’ve seen

what’s villagery about that post?

[staypositivefriend]

i already have over 200 posts. but i feel like i have a lot less. weird

i love that you have more posts than me in a single day of being here :P

i am actually confused by how low my post count is. i feel like i am constantly posting in this thread but i have significantly lower posts than the majority of active players.

that's unrelated to anything important but it's weird!