Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[Esooa]

like I don't understand anything you're doing but it does NOT at all feel like what you're doing is "trying to find mafia"

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have no complaints with the way the game is proceeding I think everything's going swimmingly and after we kill ted and probably waste a day or two chopping low posters we can come back to any of these complaints

[KZA]

sorry I heard howling from my other tab

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP literally like 50% of what you post is either

1: the scummiest shit I've ever seen

2: an outright lie

ok except for the one time where I thought the legion line was in matthew I don't think I did any of the second thing

[Oddmerta]

@Oddmerta even if I am mafia here and your wish has come true, there is basically a 0.00% chance that I will ever get chopped today. The same will likely be true tomorrow. If you truly want to "beat the world champion", you will need to do more than just catch me. I am urging you to stick it to me by catching all the rest of the mafia members before I do. That's how you really beat me at this game.

I'll save you for last

[Sloonei]

I have no complaints with the way the game is proceeding I think everything's going swimmingly and after we kill ted and probably waste a day or two chopping low posters we can come back to any of these complaints

You said yourself that you believe there is at least one low poster on the Other Team. Actually two, since you included Michelle in your hypothetical team.

I have no idea what you are doing right now.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yes I have no complaints with the current current

[TonyStarkPrime]

I just said this

[Sloonei]

Yes I have no complaints with the current current

Then what the hell are you doing?

[Esooa]

TSP literally like 50% of what you post is either

1: the scummiest shit I've ever seen

2: an outright lie

ok except for the one time where I thought the legion line was in matthew I don't think I did any of the second thing

yes

And that's my problem

Because it makes literally no sense at all when you're in thread saying

"I just town locked Alison but I'm going push her"

then later

"Alison isn't the town core, LC is! Even though I have no reason to town read him"

[Sloonei]

@Oddmerta even if I am mafia here and your wish has come true, there is basically a 0.00% chance that I will ever get chopped today. The same will likely be true tomorrow. If you truly want to "beat the world champion", you will need to do more than just catch me. I am urging you to stick it to me by catching all the rest of the mafia members before I do. That's how you really beat me at this game.

I'll save you for last

Okay great. Go catch everyone else. Let us know what you're thinking, what you'll be doing to catch the other bad guys, etc.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think Bo is probably town for making graphs if we can get back to that conversation. He's pretty high on the list

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP literally like 50% of what you post is either

1: the scummiest shit I've ever seen

2: an outright lie

ok except for the one time where I thought the legion line was in matthew I don't think I did any of the second thing

yes

And that's my problem

Because it makes literally no sense at all when you're in thread saying

"I just town locked Alison but I'm going push her"

then later

"Alison isn't the town core, LC is! Even though I have no reason to town read him"

I haven't pushed Alison

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yes I have no complaints with the current current

Then what the hell are you doing?

trying to get other people to solve the game with me what did you think I was doing

[tedxtr]

"Apart from that one argument I willfully ignored, why are you all voting for this mafioso?"

she said it was because of an interaction, which i guess is fine, but it's not strong enough

unless you disagree

what

alison's reason was "he had a w/w post with kza"

[Sloonei]

Yes I have no complaints with the current current

Then what the hell are you doing?

trying to get other people to solve the game with me what did you think I was doing

Complaining about the current state of things, I just said this.

[Oddmerta]

@Oddmerta even if I am mafia here and your wish has come true, there is basically a 0.00% chance that I will ever get chopped today. The same will likely be true tomorrow. If you truly want to "beat the world champion", you will need to do more than just catch me. I am urging you to stick it to me by catching all the rest of the mafia members before I do. That's how you really beat me at this game.

I'll save you for last

Okay great. Go catch everyone else. Let us know what you're thinking, what you'll be doing to catch the other bad guys, etc.

I'll do things my way thankyou very much

[Esooa]

@Long Con wanna form like a second town core

This kind of thing typically comes from scum.

alison I'm so blatantly town this game that if you say it one more time I'm banning you from my town core

You are in fact a top scumread of both JJJ and Mac and me and Hally. I am probably just going to burn you with fire.

sorry can't hear you you're banned from the town core

none of this makes any sense unless the perspective is, again "extremely scummy posts" or "outright lie"

Cause this is not a 'town read'

Why are you removing your town read from Alison?

Like, nothing you post makes any sense at all

None of it pulls town in a helpful direction either

[Sloonei]

"Apart from that one argument I willfully ignored, why are you all voting for this mafioso?"

she said it was because of an interaction, which i guess is fine, but it's not strong enough

unless you disagree

what

alison's reason was "he had a w/w post with kza"

Okay. And your response to that was "I can vote KZA." It was not "I can vote for Marmot" or even "I can vote for either Marmot or KZA." You said you could vote for KZA but made no mention of Marmot even though he was the original topic of conversation. Do you understand why I think this looks weird?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yes I have no complaints with the current current

Then what the hell are you doing?

trying to get other people to solve the game with me what did you think I was doing

Complaining about the current state of things, I just said this.

well i might start complaining that people thought I was complaining but no I have no complaints

[Sloonei]

@Oddmerta even if I am mafia here and your wish has come true, there is basically a 0.00% chance that I will ever get chopped today. The same will likely be true tomorrow. If you truly want to "beat the world champion", you will need to do more than just catch me. I am urging you to stick it to me by catching all the rest of the mafia members before I do. That's how you really beat me at this game.

I'll save you for last

Okay great. Go catch everyone else. Let us know what you're thinking, what you'll be doing to catch the other bad guys, etc.

I'll do things my way thankyou very much

Yes, that is what I'm recommending you do! I'm just also asking that you let us know what your way is. The name of the game is cooperation right now. So far you have been uncooperative despite being universally town-read. It makes me sad.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Long Con wanna form like a second town core

This kind of thing typically comes from scum.

alison I'm so blatantly town this game that if you say it one more time I'm banning you from my town core

You are in fact a top scumread of both JJJ and Mac and me and Hally. I am probably just going to burn you with fire.

sorry can't hear you you're banned from the town core

none of this makes any sense unless the perspective is, again "extremely scummy posts" or "outright lie"

Cause this is not a 'town read'

Why are you removing your town read from Alison?

Like, nothing you post makes any sense at all

None of it pulls town in a helpful direction either

I'm not removing my town read from Alison.

[Sloonei]

Yes I have no complaints with the current current

Then what the hell are you doing?

trying to get other people to solve the game with me what did you think I was doing

Complaining about the current state of things, I just said this.

well i might start complaining that people thought I was complaining but no I have no complaints

This feels like you are putting on an act of obtuseness. I am accusing you of doing that. How does that make you feel?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yes I have no complaints with the current current

Then what the hell are you doing?

trying to get other people to solve the game with me what did you think I was doing

Complaining about the current state of things, I just said this.

well i might start complaining that people thought I was complaining but no I have no complaints

This feels like you are putting on an act of obtuseness. I am accusing you of doing that. How does that make you feel?

i think that's fair.

[Esooa]

@Sloonei if you want an easy read on me just compare me to Fallout mafia, lol. I'm admittedly not trying much this game but people say as scum I've very smooth and sweet, lol.

This game I kinda just been posting shit and more so aggressive than buddying strong townies like I did with you

[Esooa]

Yes I have no complaints with the current current

Then what the hell are you doing?

trying to get other people to solve the game with me what did you think I was doing

Complaining about the current state of things, I just said this.

well i might start complaining that people thought I was complaining but no I have no complaints

This feels like you are putting on an act of obtuseness. I am accusing you of doing that. How does that make you feel?

i think that's fair.

then why are you doing that?

[Sloonei]

i think that's fair.

Great. Could you please tell me which players you think are in the "towncore" and why they are there, and which players are not in it?

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei if you want an easy read on me just compare me to Fallout mafia, lol. I'm admittedly not trying much this game but people say as scum I've very smooth and sweet, lol.

This game I kinda just been posting shit and more so aggressive than buddying strong townies like I did with you

I'm not really concerned about my read on you at the moment. If someone presents a reason why I should begin to question that you are town, I will look into it. But nothing about the current state of things suggests that you are not town, and you have not done anything that I would find particularly suspicious.

[TonyStarkPrime]

i think that's fair.

Great. Could you please tell me which players you think are in the "towncore" and why they are there, and which players are not in it?

I'm gonna be very purposefully obtuse: what is a towncore?

[Sloonei]

I am incapable of not putting "towncore" in quotes because I think it's a silly term.

[Sloonei]

i think that's fair.

Great. Could you please tell me which players you think are in the "towncore" and why they are there, and which players are not in it?

I'm gonna be very purposefully obtuse: what is a towncore?

A silly term that has become popular to denote the players who are generally regarded as consensus town-reads by the thread. Often these players are tasked with spearheading the solving efforts.

[KZA]

towncore nightcore

[TonyStarkPrime]

The town core is the people who I think are going to work to solve the game and right now it's you and me.

[TonyStarkPrime]

If the town core is just the people who are near consensus town then it's just you

[Sloonei]

The town core is the people who I think are going to work to solve the game and right now it's you and me.

Which players do you think we have the best reasons to regard as town?

[Esooa]

I literally can't recall a single section of posting where I thought TSP was making a genuine attempt to find mafia and he has 356 posts

[Sloonei]

If the town core is just the people who are near consensus town then it's just you

This is not true.

[tedxtr]

"Apart from that one argument I willfully ignored, why are you all voting for this mafioso?"

she said it was because of an interaction, which i guess is fine, but it's not strong enough

unless you disagree

what

alison's reason was "he had a w/w post with kza"

Okay. And your response to that was "I can vote KZA." It was not "I can vote for Marmot" or even "I can vote for either Marmot or KZA." You said you could vote for KZA but made no mention of Marmot even though he was the original topic of conversation. Do you understand why I think this looks weird?

tbh it looks like i misunderstood what you were trying to say altogether

and i do not understand why it looks weird for you. i asked for the reason alison was sussing marmot. i felt it was weak, but kza was mentioned and then i remembered about my earlier read of kza and said "sure, i could vote for them"

my thought process didn't emerge from that interaction at all, alison just kinda brought up kza and i remembered about that reason i had plus a few other people mentioning kza being potentially scummy

i believe before that post i've already made a post on kza, asking canucksians to weigh in with thoughts there - it was because i had that reason to think he was scum and nothing too villagery for him that i've seen

can a canucksian look over KZA's posts and give some thoughts?

i'm assuming kza is from canucks obviously - if that is wrong then forget it

[tedxtr]

with hindsight i can see how it looks weird, but my thought process didn't emerge from that one post - hope that makes sense

[TonyStarkPrime]

The town core is the people who I think are going to work to solve the game and right now it's you and me.

Which players do you think we have the best reasons to regard as town?

in order:

tier 1: the mech

hally
--
odd
alison

tier 2: good vibes??

sloonei
straw
falcon
esooa

tier 3: ehhhh
spf
jpic
nanook
bk
lc
Michelle

tier 4:
finger
kza
al
ted

unr: dom (but I think more likely wolf for reasons)

[TonyStarkPrime]

If the town core is just the people who are near consensus town then it's just you

This is not true.

that's with the initial statement that it's the people who appear are interested in solving

[Sloonei]

"Apart from that one argument I willfully ignored, why are you all voting for this mafioso?"

she said it was because of an interaction, which i guess is fine, but it's not strong enough

unless you disagree

what

alison's reason was "he had a w/w post with kza"

Okay. And your response to that was "I can vote KZA." It was not "I can vote for Marmot" or even "I can vote for either Marmot or KZA." You said you could vote for KZA but made no mention of Marmot even though he was the original topic of conversation. Do you understand why I think this looks weird?

tbh it looks like i misunderstood what you were trying to say altogether

and i do not understand why it looks weird for you. i asked for the reason alison was sussing marmot. i felt it was weak, but kza was mentioned and then i remembered about my earlier read of kza and said "sure, i could vote for them"

my thought process didn't emerge from that interaction at all, alison just kinda brought up kza and i remembered about that reason i had plus a few other people mentioning kza being potentially scummy

i believe before that post i've already made a post on kza, asking canucksians to weigh in with thoughts there - it was because i had that reason to think he was scum and nothing too villagery for him that i've seen

can a canucksian look over KZA's posts and give some thoughts?

i'm assuming kza is from canucks obviously - if that is wrong then forget it

I see no mention of a KZA suspicion -- I just see this one post where you ask for a meta read on him. You give no indication that he's a suspect.

But just to expand on my gripe here, let's look at the sequence from you.

You ISO Marmot and come to the conclusion that he's town. I question this analysis at face value, but that is a separate issue.
You then Ask Alison to explain her Marmot suspicion.
Alison obliges
You respond to Alison's case against Marmot by saying, "i'm fine with a kza vote".

You do not weigh in on the Marmot case on way or the other. You give no indication that you think this case is insufficient. If anything, you seem to indicate that it's good enough to justify a vote for KZA, the other player involved. But there is 0 follow through after you initiated a dialogue specifically about Marmot. You asked why Marmot was being suspected, got a very direct answer, and then ignored it.

Then Marmot flipped Mafia. I find your behavior questionable.

[Sloonei]

tier 3: ehhhh
spf
jpic
nanook
bk
lc
Michelle

tier 4:
finger
kza
al
ted

unr: dom (but I think more likely wolf for reasons)

Let's talk about these tiers. Why are spf and bo stuck in ehhhh? A few minutes ago you said bo was probably town. SPF is a popular town read.

Why is nanook in tier 3 rather than tier 4? Why is fingersplints in tier 4 rather than tier 3? Why is Dom "more likely wolf"?
And lastly, have you given any consideration to how any of these folks would fit on either of the hypothetical teams?

[tedxtr]

i believe your entire argument is flawed

me not reacting to it = the argument wasn't enough to change my mind with a previous stated town lean on marmot

and then kza is mentioned again, i say "i could go there"

you're blowing it out of proportion for no reason and i don't see how you think the behaviour is questionable at all.

[Michelle]

Morning, RIP Jay

I read Ted's Iso, and looking at the confidence he told me he deserves a town read I think he is town, except I am wrong but I don't want to tinfoil.

So i gave
VVV
Ted
V
Sloonei
Al
Bo
Probably wolfing TSP

These reads are related to the parts of the game i read, so don't expect me to have perfect reads.

Work time screwed me so cya after

[Michelle]

*i have

[Michelle]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

tier 3: ehhhh
spf
jpic
nanook
bk
lc
Michelle

tier 4:
finger
kza
al
ted

unr: dom (but I think more likely wolf for reasons)

Let's talk about these tiers. Why are spf and bo stuck in ehhhh? A few minutes ago you said bo was probably town. SPF is a popular town read.

Why is nanook in tier 3 rather than tier 4? Why is fingersplints in tier 4 rather than tier 3? Why is Dom "more likely wolf"?
And lastly, have you given any consideration to how any of these folks would fit on either of the hypothetical teams?

the difference between tier 3 and tier 4 is not particuarly well thought out. I think Nanook is playing slightly in his town profile more here, especially in a multiball game. I generally expect mafia nanook to try to keep a hand on the wheel a bit more, and in a multiball game I think I'd expect that even more. As I don't see that, that's enough to raise him above a fair amount of the crowd. I just read Mac's iso and he said that he thought Bo was polarising or something. IDK. He's probably town. I would have had him in tier 4 before. SPF is at the top of tier 3 but I consider tier 1 and 2 to be what would colloquially be towncore (frankly I don't get all the reads there but okay) and SPF hasn't done enough to justify this assertion. I have done next to zero work on finger and honestly can't keep them and straw straight but my general impression is they fit on either team decently (I'm leaning towards not marmot though). Could be tier 3 but probably not higher than LC at least. I've thought about teams a bit but seeing as we have no information on one it's not a top priority. But people who I think are cleared from being teamed with marmot get boosts.

[tedxtr]

your line was reasonable up to a point but this last post doesn't make much sense to me / i don't see how you don't understand what i'm saying

it's not to say i think you're a wolf for it

i clearly disagreed and then offered to vote for kza - it doesn't mean that i thought kza was scum off of that interaction alone / i had to be agreeing with alison's point that the post is w/w, my point is that his name was brought up and then i offered to vote for him.

[Michelle]

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AL_sama
2
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Voters: falcon45ca, staypositivefriend
Alison
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BoKnows
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Dom
0
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Esooa
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falcon45ca
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fingersplints
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Hally
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Justplayingitcool
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KZA
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Long Con
1
6%
Voters: Justplayingitcool
Marmot
0
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Michelle
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
2
12%
Voters: Sloonei, BoKnows
Oddmerta
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Sloonei
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staypositivefriend
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Strawhenge
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tedxtr
3
18%
Voters: Oddmerta, Hally, TonyStarkPrime
TonyStarkPrime
5
29%
Voters: Alison, Esooa, fingersplints, KZA, Michelle
Unvote
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No Elimination
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I'm cooperatin' here darn tooting! (Host/Dead/Non)
4
24%
Voters: nutella, novaselinenever, JaggedJimmyJay, Marmot
Total votes: 17

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