Beelzebub The Benign scum win

[Gavial]

The best chance of a scum yeet today IMO is Falcon or DOOM.

[Gavial]

I’m also gonna need more of Marmot to be completely sold towards them but I do think there is a real good chance they are town.

Hollowkat and Esooa are ALMOST without a doubt Town for me.

[Long Con]

Well, caught up. Crazy thread, tight as a tourniquet in here. I am still comfortable with a vote on Samu, and I'm going to lay my chips down on Alison being his teammate. Not for her activity level or meta, because I get that she is out there, fighting the good mafia fight, on several battlefields. I don't buy her defense of Samu, it was just a little too pointed, it hinted at intent to me. As much as I loved the Tarot card opening, it's NAI unless I picture he satisfaction of easing into a game with a fun purpose, as a wolf. I like it better as a wolf tactic, and maybe I want to believe that a little more than is ideal.

I don't know DoOM that well, but I'll just put it out there and call her town. I don't specifically know her wolf range though.

Meta based or?

Yeah, I can see her posts as town DoOM.

[Gavial]

Well, caught up. Crazy thread, tight as a tourniquet in here. I am still comfortable with a vote on Samu, and I'm going to lay my chips down on Alison being his teammate. Not for her activity level or meta, because I get that she is out there, fighting the good mafia fight, on several battlefields. I don't buy her defense of Samu, it was just a little too pointed, it hinted at intent to me. As much as I loved the Tarot card opening, it's NAI unless I picture he satisfaction of easing into a game with a fun purpose, as a wolf. I like it better as a wolf tactic, and maybe I want to believe that a little more than is ideal.

I don't know DoOM that well, but I'll just put it out there and call her town. I don't specifically know her wolf range though.

Meta based or?

Yeah, I can see her posts as town DoOM.

But can you also see them as scum?

[Long Con]

Well, caught up. Crazy thread, tight as a tourniquet in here. I am still comfortable with a vote on Samu, and I'm going to lay my chips down on Alison being his teammate. Not for her activity level or meta, because I get that she is out there, fighting the good mafia fight, on several battlefields. I don't buy her defense of Samu, it was just a little too pointed, it hinted at intent to me. As much as I loved the Tarot card opening, it's NAI unless I picture he satisfaction of easing into a game with a fun purpose, as a wolf. I like it better as a wolf tactic, and maybe I want to believe that a little more than is ideal.

I don't know DoOM that well, but I'll just put it out there and call her town. I don't specifically know her wolf range though.

Meta based or?

Yeah, I can see her posts as town DoOM.

But can you also see them as scum?

No, I'm saying I do not think she is scum, and I do think she is town.

[Long Con]

I mean.. I "can see it", as in it's not beyond my ability to imagine by any means.

[Gavial]

But this is entirely meta based?

[Samusamu]

The only powerwolfing Gavial is doing is effectively making me want to play less

Thats is your problem.

You can interact with others meanwhile gavial is doing whatever he wants

[Samusamu]

This is stopped (in a matter of votes) i gonna unvote meanwhile reading.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

[Samusamu]

What is Gavial doing? There have been a few posts of his that have irked me a bit, but you seem to be bothered to a pretty big degree and I don't understand why.

It's the annoying attitude, behind someone who is spam posting the thread with a read on me. I feel forced to interact with him, and then during the times he has brought me up it comes with some "I know better than you" tone. I just wish people wouldn't act so confident and annoying at the same time. I'm only talking about it because he's literally been 95% of the game recently

straight up: do you wolf read Gavial? if you do, why?
like ok, clearly he wolf reads you, and that seems to bother you, I guess? It sounds to me like the crux of the reason you wolf read him is because he's loud and he wolf reads you and he's confident in what he's posting, right? Or am I missing something else?

See this is where you are missing things. If I thought someone was mafia, I have no reason to be bothered with their behavior, I get to just vote them and ignore their posts.

The issue is I clearly don't know. I used to be very annoying and confident as a town player, and he reminds me a lot of that. These kind of players are usually doing these things as town, so I am forced to interact with a likely town member who wants to push me in the dumbest way possible.

I would have figured you were smart enough to realize this without asking if I think he is mafia.

going to ignore the snark at the end and just focus on your answer.
You town read Gavial then, is your answer. You're annoyed with him then b/c you think he's town and you think he's anti-town with the way he's making pushes/engaging with others/interacting with the thread. Would that be accurate?

It reads to me that you're offended that he wolf reads you, which is just like super weird to me. Instead of engaging with him and finding out why he's wolf reading you and seeing if you and him can work something out you're kinda snippy about him and vagueposting about how much fun you're not having.

am I wrong?

Yeah you are wrong. You keep assuming things, but always put "well maybe I am wrong" pretty cringe

You should know that I talked to Gavial before he even knew anything about me, and through that interaction was why he read me mafia. He was mad that I called him mafia for making up reasons for a list of names. It's so FUCKING IRONIC that you sit here telling me that I am calling Gavial mafia because I am upset he is pushing me, when you fail to even grasp the simple fact Gavial did the exact thing you are accusing me of. Like holy shit, my brain can't handle it

I don't understand the level of pissy you're exhibiting especially towards me. I'm trying to understand your position on Gavial and how you're getting there. So when I try to put into my words what I think you're saying you get super butthurt about it.

Maybe instead of calling me cringe and talking about how I fail to grasp simple things you just maybe explain the simple things I'm failing to grasp? You're coming off to me as a wolf who's mad about being caught b/c they think the reasons they're being wolf read isn't fair.

So ok, he wolf reads you off of your early interactions, and that you said he was mafia for making up reasons for his list of names. You are posting like you're mad he wolf reads you. That's pretty obvs to me.
You've also said, maybe not in so many words, that you Town read Gavial, right? So which is it: Do you think he's town or do you think he's a wolf?

If anyother player thinks different then let me know.

But this interaction is going to a terrain plenty of mud where nobody will gain a good read for that.

Just relax.

[Samusamu]

Well, caught up. Crazy thread, tight as a tourniquet in here. I am still comfortable with a vote on Samu, and I'm going to lay my chips down on Alison being his teammate. Not for her activity level or meta, because I get that she is out there, fighting the good mafia fight, on several battlefields. I don't buy her defense of Samu, it was just a little too pointed, it hinted at intent to me. As much as I loved the Tarot card opening, it's NAI unless I picture he satisfaction of easing into a game with a fun purpose, as a wolf. I like it better as a wolf tactic, and maybe I want to believe that a little more than is ideal.

I don't know DoOM that well, but I'll just put it out there and call her town. I don't specifically know her wolf range though.

What do u read that makes u feel your vote is confortable in me?

[DaughterOfOmega]

If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game

Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

So your read on Doom is meta based?

Yeah it's based on the Fallout game we played together. I don't think she's emotionally capable of playing scum.

Don't ever let these words come out of your mouth again. I'd appreciate it. The fact you think that this was even okay to ever say publicly is mindboggling.

Reasons piling up for a sub

[Samusamu]

I don’t know I’m conflicted between DOOM and Falcon.
My votes prob gonna land on one of them today.

I can buy that falcon have disappear and i dont like his initial post, i can put my vote there to the end of the day.

What is the main reason for a vote in doom?

[DaughterOfOmega]

I come back to that, never ceases to amaze me

I will either see you all d2, or you can kill me, but I'd rather not participate in these current convsersations

[Samusamu]

Can probably do a case on both of them tomorrow.
I’m the most confident in them.

Sean’s recent posts seem Townie to me.
I’m like borderline null lean scum on BK but not entirely that sold on it at all either.
I think Samu can definitely be scum but they can just as well probably be town under probability so.

I dont like reads like.
"I’m like borderline null lean scum on BK but not entirely that sold on it at all either."

Or

"I think Samu can definitely be scum but they can just as well probably be town under probability so."

They are totally inconclusive readings, making it difficult to follow a consistent re-reading of your game progression.

As town are useless readings, if you want to express your doubts say why so that it is understood what goes through your head.

Writing that just gives me the impression that you are a scum who wants to leave his readings open depending on how the game evolves.

Realize that. And don't be surprised if others read you as mafia because of it.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Alison
LC
Samusamu
Hollowkatt
Seanzie
JessieKruger
Falcon
Marmot
Tsp
Gavial
Boknows
Urist
Esooa

I will leave with that

[Samusamu]

If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game

Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

So your read on Doom is meta based?

Yeah it's based on the Fallout game we played together. I don't think she's emotionally capable of playing scum.

Don't ever let these words come out of your mouth again. I'd appreciate it. The fact you think that this was even okay to ever say publicly is mindboggling.

Reasons piling up for a sub

Okey, can u leave a list of 3vs3?

[Samusamu]

Alison
LC
Samusamu
Hollowkatt
Seanzie
JessieKruger
Falcon
Marmot
Tsp
Gavial
Boknows
Urist
Esooa

I will leave with that

Ohh thanks.

Just explain to me the esooa and bk position i dont need anymore.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Alison
LC
Samusamu
Hollowkatt
Seanzie
JessieKruger
Falcon
Marmot
Tsp
Gavial
Boknows
Urist
Esooa

I will leave with that

Ohh thanks.

Just explain to me the esooa and bk position i dont need anymore.

I know how bad Gavial's vote/push of me is, and I know why he is doing it. Although he at least is making a public push. Esooa was called out for voting me while they had not posted in the thread for a long time. Their response was "because I wanted to" I think a town Esooa would have been fine with giving an actual reason, and not sat there acting annoyed at being called out.

Bo made commentary I didn't like. Was talking while adding nothing to several conversations I saw, just seemed to be active for no other reason than to be active

[Samusamu]

Alison
LC
Samusamu
Hollowkatt
Seanzie
JessieKruger
Falcon
Marmot
Tsp
Gavial
Boknows
Urist
Esooa

I will leave with that

Ohh thanks.

Just explain to me the esooa and bk position i dont need anymore.

I know how bad Gavial's vote/push of me is, and I know why he is doing it. Although he at least is making a public push. Esooa was called out for voting me while they had not posted in the thread for a long time. Their response was "because I wanted to" I think a town Esooa would have been fine with giving an actual reason, and not sat there acting annoyed at being called out.

Bo made commentary I didn't like. Was talking while adding nothing to several conversations I saw, just seemed to be active for no other reason than to be active

Can u point that commentary of bk again?

[Seanzie]

There is a lot of AtE coming from DoO recently, and while I usually try not to read into AtE, I'm going to guess DoO is just town here. I think most people are wary of doing this much AtE as scum, since if you do that once, you can't ever get emotional in thread again without being scumread for it. It also sounds like there is meta reason to doubt she would do this as scum. I also liked how when I pinged her to come in and give more content, she actually did come and engage (not just the AtEs, but some actual content as well). That last point is a bit weaker because a wolf could feel compelled to engage based on being pinged, but it still looks good IMO.

[DaughterOfOmega]

What has Marmot done to gain your trust? @Gavial

Sorry for butting into your convo and trying to add my 2 cents

No it’s not you doing it, it’s how you did it.

Okay. I'll have to go back and see what I did.

Sorry for butting into your convo and trying to add my 2 cents

:micdrop:

Gavial doing good work. I like them

Yo talk to me about one of Samu/Falcon/DK/Sean/Jessie

Give me a brief read and reasoning towards one of them.

I am more curious as to why you listed these players

I’ll explain that, then you choose one of em MK?

Samu/Falcon should be obvious enough.
DK due to me getting scum vibes from them and their butt in on the convo.
Sean because he was the first to defend.
Jessie because I wanted to put a zero poster as an option and see what happens.

Am I DK?

beezlebub beezlebub give me the information I desire

I think when you are being active and only make these posts, you aren't doing things to solve

[Seanzie]

So the game is something like this. The middle group is only vaguely sorted.

Gavial

Samusamu
Doom

LC
Marmot
Hollowkatt
Boknows
Alison

Esooa
Tsp

Falcon
Urist

Dunia - literally a demon

JessieKruger - No posts, unsorted.

Seanzie

[Samusamu]

What has Marmot done to gain your trust? @Gavial

Sorry for butting into your convo and trying to add my 2 cents

No it’s not you doing it, it’s how you did it.

Okay. I'll have to go back and see what I did.

Sorry for butting into your convo and trying to add my 2 cents

:micdrop:

Gavial doing good work. I like them

Yo talk to me about one of Samu/Falcon/DK/Sean/Jessie

Give me a brief read and reasoning towards one of them.

I am more curious as to why you listed these players

I’ll explain that, then you choose one of em MK?

Samu/Falcon should be obvious enough.
DK due to me getting scum vibes from them and their butt in on the convo.
Sean because he was the first to defend.
Jessie because I wanted to put a zero poster as an option and see what happens.

Am I DK?

beezlebub beezlebub give me the information I desire

I think when you are being active and only make these posts, you aren't doing things to solve

Well thanks.

If you still feel like participating this day, I'd like to see how far and what happens with a push to bk.

So I would encourage you to vote for it, I can even jump on your wagon if you want or start it myself.

[Samusamu]

So the game is something like this. The middle group is only vaguely sorted.

Gavial

Samusamu
Doom

LC
Marmot
Hollowkatt
Boknows
Alison

Esooa
Tsp

Falcon
Urist

Dunia - literally a demon

JessieKruger - No posts, unsorted.

Seanzie

Esooa and tsp are there for being low posters?

The main top up of your list are active players, and the main top down of that list are non actives.

At this point with this lists you are giving a lot of readings that I don't where you get them from or why you think them.

[Samusamu]

That i dont know where you get them*

[Urist]

So the game is something like this. The middle group is only vaguely sorted.

Gavial

Samusamu
Doom

LC
Marmot
Hollowkatt
Boknows
Alison

Esooa
Tsp

Falcon
Urist

Dunia - literally a demon

JessieKruger - No posts, unsorted.

Seanzie

Have you even mentioned falcon, tsp or esooa before now?

[falcon45ca]

@Samusamu
@falcon45ca
As of now, what’s your progression and overall thoughts on each other’s slots?

I'm chalking it up to a language misunderstanding. He's not cleared by any stretch, but I'm not gonna tunnel him on it further

[Urist]

Alison
LC
Samusamu
Hollowkatt
Seanzie
JessieKruger
Falcon
Marmot
Tsp
Gavial
Boknows
Urist
Esooa

I will leave with that

Ohh thanks.

Just explain to me the esooa and bk position i dont need anymore.

I know how bad Gavial's vote/push of me is, and I know why he is doing it. Although he at least is making a public push. Esooa was called out for voting me while they had not posted in the thread for a long time. Their response was "because I wanted to" I think a town Esooa would have been fine with giving an actual reason, and not sat there acting annoyed at being called out.

Bo made commentary I didn't like. Was talking while adding nothing to several conversations I saw, just seemed to be active for no other reason than to be active

Do you think the team is exactly Esooa-Urist-Bo?

[Urist]

So the game is something like this. The middle group is only vaguely sorted.

Gavial

Samusamu
Doom

LC
Marmot
Hollowkatt
Boknows
Alison

Esooa
Tsp

Falcon
Urist

Dunia - literally a demon

JessieKruger - No posts, unsorted.

Seanzie

Esooa and tsp are there for being low posters?

The main top up of your list are active players, and the main top down of that list are non actives.

At this point with this lists you are giving a lot of readings that I don't where you get them from or why you think them.

this

[Seanzie]

So the game is something like this. The middle group is only vaguely sorted.

Gavial

Samusamu
Doom

LC
Marmot
Hollowkatt
Boknows
Alison

Esooa
Tsp

Falcon
Urist

Dunia - literally a demon

JessieKruger - No posts, unsorted.

Seanzie

Esooa and tsp are there for being low posters?

The main top up of your list are active players, and the main top down of that list are non actives.

At this point with this lists you are giving a lot of readings that I don't where you get them from or why you think them.

No. Esooa is there because she secret-voted DoO, and again secret-voted Marmot. When pressed about DoO, her only response was that she wanted to, which doesn't look good.

TSP is there because when I called out the low posters, he came in and responded, but all he had to say was that I was using the phrase "power wolfing" wrong, so it kind of felt wolfy like he felt obligated to respond to not look shady, but didn't actually have any real content to add.

I don't get what you are saying about active and non-active. You and Gavial have been pretty active, but DoO has been a low poster and Falcon has been a pretty high poster.

[Urist]

Can probably do a case on both of them tomorrow.
I’m the most confident in them.

Sean’s recent posts seem Townie to me.
I’m like borderline null lean scum on BK but not entirely that sold on it at all either.
I think Samu can definitely be scum but they can just as well probably be town under probability so.

Deadline is in 8h so sooner would be better.

I’m also gonna need more of Marmot to be completely sold towards them but I do think there is a real good chance they are town.

Hollowkat and Esooa are ALMOST without a doubt Town for me.

Why are hk and esooa town for you?

[Seanzie]

So the game is something like this. The middle group is only vaguely sorted.

Gavial

Samusamu
Doom

LC
Marmot
Hollowkatt
Boknows
Alison

Esooa
Tsp

Falcon
Urist

Dunia - literally a demon

JessieKruger - No posts, unsorted.

Seanzie

Have you even mentioned falcon, tsp or esooa before now?

Yes, I talked about Falcon quite a bit back when he was around. Samu voted him very early, and Falcon looked really uncomfortable with the vote, OMGUSed Samu, and took it way more seriously than I think town would take an early D1 vote. TSP and Esooa I don't think I've said much about, and tbh my reads on them are rather weak, which is why I have a gap between them and the lower group (your group:P).

[falcon45ca]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

[Seanzie]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

OoO!

[falcon45ca]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

OoO!

Riveting, I know.

[Urist]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Why change your vote from Gavial to Seanzie then?

[Urist]

Don't forget to vote in the poll btw

[Seanzie]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

OoO!

Riveting, I know.

It is! Care to share your thoughts on me? It seems kind of... convenient... that I am now top scum for you right after I put out a readslist with your name at the bottom.

[falcon45ca]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Why change your vote from Gavial to Seanzie then?

I'm ok with either of them

[Esooa]

I'll reread falcons iso in a bit but I don't think he's as towny as he normally is (which is bad)

I'll vote bk for now

I thought people were calling dunia a devil for memes idk what's up with her

also lol at people thinking I was annoyed for being "called out" on my vote

[Esooa]

oh dunia isn't in the game

[Seanzie]

I'll reread falcons iso in a bit but I don't think he's as towny as he normally is (which is bad)

I'll vote bk for now

I thought people were calling dunia a devil for memes idk what's up with her

also lol at people thinking I was annoyed for being "called out" on my vote

Why were you voting Marmot a little while ago?

[Esooa]

I'll reread falcons iso in a bit but I don't think he's as towny as he normally is (which is bad)

I'll vote bk for now

I thought people were calling dunia a devil for memes idk what's up with her

also lol at people thinking I was annoyed for being "called out" on my vote

Why were you voting Marmot a little while ago?

because he's been lackluster and I wasn't satisfied with my vote on doom anymore

[Samusamu]

So the game is something like this. The middle group is only vaguely sorted.

Gavial

Samusamu
Doom

LC
Marmot
Hollowkatt
Boknows
Alison

Esooa
Tsp

Falcon
Urist

Dunia - literally a demon

JessieKruger - No posts, unsorted.

Seanzie

Esooa and tsp are there for being low posters?

The main top up of your list are active players, and the main top down of that list are non actives.

At this point with this lists you are giving a lot of readings that I don't where you get them from or why you think them.

No. Esooa is there because she secret-voted DoO, and again secret-voted Marmot. When pressed about DoO, her only response was that she wanted to, which doesn't look good.

TSP is there because when I called out the low posters, he came in and responded, but all he had to say was that I was using the phrase "power wolfing" wrong, so it kind of felt wolfy like he felt obligated to respond to not look shady, but didn't actually have any real content to add.

I don't get what you are saying about active and non-active. You and Gavial have been pretty active, but DoO has been a low poster and Falcon has been a pretty high poster.

When u mean secret u mean without putting the vote in the thread? I think that in the rules is said that u can do it, also when i go back to the thread for a long i use to check the votes, so if esooa wanna put a vote secretly that is gonna be significant to eod and the wagons formed he/she will have to explain that in some moment.

And yes, esooa only say that she wanted i dont particulary look that good, and if in that moment to nowadays no group of players have demand an explication for that consistently, then putting the esooa slot that down feels to me like something something that a scum will take in advantage to do a list.

Tsp doesnt have real content thats correct, and that can be nai. The fact that he corrects you in the powerwolfing theme doesnt make tsp scum.

I said most of them (main) not the total, in reference to your list.

Doom has been along the pages and falcon participation is decreasing from the beginning.

Thats is relevant but the important thing is that i dont know a lot of your thoughts from that list or almost i dont find them when i iso u.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Alison
LC
Samusamu
Hollowkatt
Seanzie
JessieKruger
Falcon
Marmot
Tsp
Gavial
Boknows
Urist
Esooa

I will leave with that

Ohh thanks.

Just explain to me the esooa and bk position i dont need anymore.

I know how bad Gavial's vote/push of me is, and I know why he is doing it. Although he at least is making a public push. Esooa was called out for voting me while they had not posted in the thread for a long time. Their response was "because I wanted to" I think a town Esooa would have been fine with giving an actual reason, and not sat there acting annoyed at being called out.

Bo made commentary I didn't like. Was talking while adding nothing to several conversations I saw, just seemed to be active for no other reason than to be active

Do you think the team is exactly Esooa-Urist-Bo?

Is this a troll question

[DaughterOfOmega]

Falcon could be mafia, I have others who'd I kill, but if people want my take it's null to mafia

[Samusamu]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Okey, then:

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[Esooa]

samu samu is so town

my read people didn't like earlier was 100% correct

[falcon45ca]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

OoO!

Riveting, I know.

It is! Care to share your thoughts on me? It seems kind of... convenient... that I am now top scum for you right after I put out a readslist with your name at the bottom.

If you'd like to look back, you'll see LC & I commenting in you being a flame fanner.


Don't worry, you and Gaviel are equally top scum in my eyes