Beelzebub The Benign scum win

[Urist]

lc town

explain

samu is voting for him

How does this imply that LC is town?

bc samu is mafia and mafia don't vote mafia

[Seanzie]

lc town

explain

samu is voting for him

How does this imply that LC is town?

bc samu is mafia and mafia don't vote mafia

Can you walk me through your case on Samu?

[Gavial]

I trust Sloon.

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

Marmot TR’ed Urist even up to his own yeet.
Despite Urist SRing Marmot.
Not saying it clears Urist but it is a sign that Urist can easily be Town.

I’d suggest a Falcon vote.

@Sloonei
Would you be willing to vote Falcon with me?
IMO I think Falcon/Esooa are never W/W so if Falcon flips Scum then we can almost clear Esooa.

Sloon has me as a town lean.



Of course we're not w/w, I'm town.


You're literally looking at the game trying to prove your beliefs, and totally ignoring the things that don't support your beliefs.


Guess what? Your read on Marmot sucked, your read on me sucks, and I'm pretty sure your read on Esooa sucks.


But whatever, you do you. Very frustrating to play with

How does my read on Esooa suck?

Well let's flip her and find out.

No.
Because your reads haven’t been good either.

This is not a good reason to dismiss someone’s read.

Nor is it a good reason to follow someone’s.

[Urist]

lc town

explain

samu is voting for him

How does this imply that LC is town?

bc samu is mafia and mafia don't vote mafia

Can you walk me through your case on Samu?

it's in my iso

[Gavial]

lc town

explain

samu is voting for him

How does this imply that LC is town?

bc samu is mafia and mafia don't vote mafia

I think Falcon’s more likely over Samu.
Although if I were to make the PoE it’s be
Tony/Urist/Falcon/BK instead of LC.

[Gavial]

Also I don’t think Esooa votes DOOM here if their scum.

[Gavial]

I’ll give you credit though Falcon if Esooa does flip mafia your probably town.

[Gavial]

But that’s the only world your town.

[Gavial]

Least from what I can see

[Seanzie]

lc town

explain

samu is voting for him

How does this imply that LC is town?

bc samu is mafia and mafia don't vote mafia

Can you walk me through your case on Samu?

it's in my iso

So your case on Samu is pretty much just about his EoD vote? What do you think about the rest of his play?

[Esooa]

I’ll give you credit though Falcon if Esooa does flip mafia your probably town.

well I am town and also I think Falcon is town

[Gavial]

I’ll give you credit though Falcon if Esooa does flip mafia your probably town.

well I am town and also I think Falcon is town

Could I have your reasoning for it?
I haven’t really seen anything remotely Townie from Falcon but I have seen stuff from them that ping me.

[Samusamu]

I think Alison is town

Hey, i remember that i asked you some questions

Since what moment?

Just for answering tu urist that his "push" on me is weird o there is something else?

Well, it was around that time that I felt your posts were quite towny. Here and here.

That's a legit night target, respectable.

Hey u, i still think that u can be scum furthermore knowing the.state of the votes in the eod in hk.

Please, respond the follow questions:

1) why your vote was confortable in.me last day?

2) without knowing the result it is prob that u can change your vote last eod?

3) do u have a core? Who and why?

And weight in what happen during the eod.

1) I was comfortable because I suspected you for your earlier reaction to falcon and a wolfy post or two that I didn't like.

2) I might have changed my vote if I had been around and posting at EoD. Probably would have, since it wasn't doing any good on you. I'd rather vote for one of the top two candidates and hope to get it right so I look good.

3) Not really. I put some reads out there so I guess, but none of them are "core", just players I townread more than others.

Humm your here and here are pretty near in time, i've been townreaded by a lot of players d1, nothing in that day makes u think that?

1) what is bad in my react to falcon? Can u point that post u didnt like?

2) why u were scumreading marmot? And why u were scumreading hk? To think that u pro will vote for them?

3) well there is one more question, its weird as fuck this point. You are not behind your scumreads, you are not trying to do a core, then what are you aiming for this game?

1) Yeah, this post and the general progression leading up to it, I discussed it back then.

2) I wasn't, I skipped a bunch of pages when I fell behind, which is why I didn't try to get involved in the last half hour of the Day. If I had been present and playing I would have put my vote on one of them simply to take a stand, and I would have done whatever reading I could in whatever time I had in order to inform my decision.

3) I am aiming for deciding who I think is scummy, voting for them, and hoping I'm right.

What have this post to be bad?

[Samusamu]

lc town

explain

samu is voting for him

You are beggining to be bored.

[Samusamu]

Dead serious, I'm shooting one of you two before day ends, I need a name

your reads being this bad and your unwillingness to cooperate with me trying to lynch mafia caused your death

Dead serious, I'm shooting one of you two before day ends, I need a name

your reads being this bad and your unwillingness to cooperate with me trying to lynch mafia caused your death

You're not trying to yeet mafia rememember? You're trying to save hollowkat.

who is blatantly NOT mafia

what an awful fucking day

trying to work with people who don't understand this stuff is beyond frustrating

I should have just not cared we were lynching obvious town I suppose

Have anyone meta reasons to think that esooa will say this before the resolution of day 1 as scum?

literally everyone in town today is scum reading gavial cause he is trying to solve then scum reading me cause I'm trying to actually do things

you are doing nothing but shooting yourself in the foot all day

[Gavial]

Damn this died, wonder how dead this’ll be without me.
Oh boy.

[Urist]

@Sloonei did your HK interactions contain this post??

If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game

Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

tbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.

Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.

You "want" to wolf read her? Are you wolf reading her, or no?

I can't speak for hollowkatt but it seems pretty clear from his posts that he is scumreading her.
This just looks like an attempt to throw shade at hk.

It does look like an attempt to shade hk. He put quote marks on one of the words and everything.

[Gavial]

Yeah TBF Marmot also did say Urist was Town.

As for Esooa/Falcon I think we need to resolve them and Esooa and Me were both wrong on Hollow as either of us can be wrong on Falcon meaning what Esooa thinks about Falcon is irrelevant if Esooa is dead.

[Gavial]

But if you want @Esooa you can enlighten me with your full read on Falcon.

[Gavial]

Somethings just not right with the 2 of them.
I just don’t see a world where both Esooa and Falcon are Town and I don’t think Town!Esooa see’s Falcon as town when they were wrong on Hollow and had a super strong TR on Samu.
I’d say Esooa flipping Mafia probably makes the team Tony/Samu Tbh.

[Urist]

explain

samu is voting for him

How does this imply that LC is town?

bc samu is mafia and mafia don't vote mafia

Can you walk me through your case on Samu?

it's in my iso

So your case on Samu is pretty much just about his EoD vote? What do you think about the rest of his play?

The rest of his play is uncompelling. There are a lot of posts where I just can't follow the logic, or where he asks questions that don't seem to really have a point.
His reaction to my initial accusation today is pretty bad also.

[Gavial]

samu is voting for him

How does this imply that LC is town?

bc samu is mafia and mafia don't vote mafia

Can you walk me through your case on Samu?

it's in my iso

So your case on Samu is pretty much just about his EoD vote? What do you think about the rest of his play?

The rest of his play is uncompelling. There are a lot of posts where I just can't follow the logic, or where he asks questions that don't seem to really have a point.
His reaction to my initial accusation today is pretty bad also.

Honestly Urist if Esooa is Mafia your defiantly the MVP this game as you called out Tony and Samu and they are the most probable buddies for Esooa.

[Urist]

i'm always the MVP for scum

[Urist]

gavial would you be willing to axe samu instead of esooa?

[Urist]

I would also vote for LC to save esooa but it's not my preferred execution.

[BoKnows]

If esooa flips red I can see a HK/Esooa/Gavial team tbh

[DaughterOfOmega]

Also I haven't been this confident in a mafia read in so long.

I'm surprised others are unaware of Urist

[Urist]

Also I haven't been this confident in a mafia read in so long.

I'm surprised others are unaware of Urist

it could have something to do with the fact that you're wrong

[DaughterOfOmega]

Also I haven't been this confident in a mafia read in so long.

I'm surprised others are unaware of Urist

it could have something to do with the fact that you're wrong

Possible

[Samusamu]

samu is voting for him

How does this imply that LC is town?

bc samu is mafia and mafia don't vote mafia

Can you walk me through your case on Samu?

it's in my iso

So your case on Samu is pretty much just about his EoD vote? What do you think about the rest of his play?

The rest of his play is uncompelling. There are a lot of posts where I just can't follow the logic, or where he asks questions that don't seem to really have a point.
His reaction to my initial accusation today is pretty bad also.

Well at this point i gonna begin to think that you are idiot, no pun intended, but dude, if you dont understand something that i say or dont understand why i say/do/ask something just ask to me.

You havent til this moment explain what exactly u see bad of me, you just say ehh uhhh i dont understand samu, so samu bad bad very bad, in my language i will name that as a "unga unga argument"

Also, up to this point you have only said that x or y post you don't like without delving into what it is you don't like or explaining argumentatively that you have seen that you can place in a world where I am mafia and the actions I take have a mafia meaning or motive.

Because no, definitely never, ever, ever say "I don't like samu's reaction to this" is a consistent read for taking several days wanting to build a case against me.

I can allow these types of comments and they are totally understandable in quick reads or real time reactions to an interaction.

But what you do is totally convenient and this kind of smear game through repeating simple ideas for other players to internalize and eventually even believe them as true tires and bores me.

I'm not going to let you continue with the same strategy against me all game, and this post is not the first indication of that.

If you want to build a case against me where you explain reasonably why you think I'm mafia, go ahead, I'll be happy to explain and dismantle that post.

But I'm not going to let some idiot keep repeating the same thing all game without giving him a good warning.

[Gavial]

gavial would you be willing to axe samu instead of esooa?

No but I’d be willing to axe Tony instead of Esooa.
Even Falcon.

[Samusamu]

i'm always the MVP for scum

Xd.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning ... ger_effect

[Gavial]

If esooa flips red I can see a HK/Esooa/Gavial team tbh

You know each time you open your mouth, I’m closer and closer to seeing this -)

I think the team is HK/Esooa/Samu/Tony
Personally, but I suppose one of Samu/Tony can be replaced by you.

[Urist]

i'm always the MVP for scum

Xd.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning ... ger_effect

are you saying that i'm secretly an amazing player?

[Gavial]

If Urist is scum it’s always with BK and Falcon.

[Gavial]

Or Tony.

Actually I suppose that’s not entirely a solve.

[Samusamu]

i'm always the MVP for scum

Xd.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning ... ger_effect

are you saying that i'm secretly an amazing player?

Dunno, a convenient and idiot one without doubts

[Gavial]

I’d say Urist can only be partners with:
BK
Tony
Falcon
Esooa

That’s pretty much it.
I can’t see them ever being scum with Samu.

So Samu/Urist can easily contain 1 scum.

[Gavial]

@falcon45ca
If your town and I die tonight, look at that!

[Gavial]

If you push Urist and BK/Tony you should be golden.

[Gavial]

I’d be pretty obvious you would be town at that point I think.

[DaughterOfOmega]

This class is boring

[Gavial]

Town Core:
Me, Sloon, DOOM, Sean and LC.

Don’t yeet from that.
@falcon45ca
@Seanzie

[Samusamu]

Dead serious, I'm shooting one of you two before day ends, I need a name

your reads being this bad and your unwillingness to cooperate with me trying to lynch mafia caused your death

Dead serious, I'm shooting one of you two before day ends, I need a name

your reads being this bad and your unwillingness to cooperate with me trying to lynch mafia caused your death

You're not trying to yeet mafia rememember? You're trying to save hollowkat.

who is blatantly NOT mafia

what an awful fucking day

trying to work with people who don't understand this stuff is beyond frustrating

I should have just not cared we were lynching obvious town I suppose

Have anyone meta reasons to think that esooa will say this before the resolution of day 1 as scum?

literally everyone in town today is scum reading gavial cause he is trying to solve then scum reading me cause I'm trying to actually do things

you are doing nothing but shooting yourself in the foot all day

Can anyone explain to me why a scum esooa have this attitude in the eod or we left the arguments in "esooa did a cfd that kills marmot and was wrong with hk"

Can anyone convice or show me that esooa is capable of writting this being mafia?

[Gavial]

This class is boring

Tell them to make it fun!

[BoKnows]

If esooa flips red I can see a HK/Esooa/Gavial team tbh

You know each time you open your mouth, I’m closer and closer to seeing this -)

I think the team is HK/Esooa/Samu/Tony
Personally, but I suppose one of Samu/Tony can be replaced by you.

It's true I'm

[Urist]

How does this imply that LC is town?

bc samu is mafia and mafia don't vote mafia

Can you walk me through your case on Samu?

it's in my iso

So your case on Samu is pretty much just about his EoD vote? What do you think about the rest of his play?

The rest of his play is uncompelling. There are a lot of posts where I just can't follow the logic, or where he asks questions that don't seem to really have a point.
His reaction to my initial accusation today is pretty bad also.

Well at this point i gonna begin to think that you are idiot, no pun intended, but dude, if you dont understand something that i say or dont understand why i say/do/ask something just ask to me.

You havent til this moment explain what exactly u see bad of me, you just say ehh uhhh i dont understand samu, so samu bad bad very bad, in my language i will name that as a "unga unga argument"

Also, up to this point you have only said that x or y post you don't like without delving into what it is you don't like or explaining argumentatively that you have seen that you can place in a world where I am mafia and the actions I take have a mafia meaning or motive.

Because no, definitely never, ever, ever say "I don't like samu's reaction to this" is a consistent read for taking several days wanting to build a case against me.

I can allow these types of comments and they are totally understandable in quick reads or real time reactions to an interaction.

But what you do is totally convenient and this kind of smear game through repeating simple ideas for other players to internalize and eventually even believe them as true tires and bores me.

I'm not going to let you continue with the same strategy against me all game, and this post is not the first indication of that.

If you want to build a case against me where you explain reasonably why you think I'm mafia, go ahead, I'll be happy to explain and dismantle that post.

But I'm not going to let some idiot keep repeating the same thing all game without giving him a good warning.

- calling his accusers stupid
- threatening tone
- complaining that there is no case to respond to

i almost have a scum bingo over here just from this one post

[Samusamu]

bc samu is mafia and mafia don't vote mafia

Can you walk me through your case on Samu?

it's in my iso

So your case on Samu is pretty much just about his EoD vote? What do you think about the rest of his play?

The rest of his play is uncompelling. There are a lot of posts where I just can't follow the logic, or where he asks questions that don't seem to really have a point.
His reaction to my initial accusation today is pretty bad also.

Well at this point i gonna begin to think that you are idiot, no pun intended, but dude, if you dont understand something that i say or dont understand why i say/do/ask something just ask to me.

You havent til this moment explain what exactly u see bad of me, you just say ehh uhhh i dont understand samu, so samu bad bad very bad, in my language i will name that as a "unga unga argument"

Also, up to this point you have only said that x or y post you don't like without delving into what it is you don't like or explaining argumentatively that you have seen that you can place in a world where I am mafia and the actions I take have a mafia meaning or motive.

Because no, definitely never, ever, ever say "I don't like samu's reaction to this" is a consistent read for taking several days wanting to build a case against me.

I can allow these types of comments and they are totally understandable in quick reads or real time reactions to an interaction.

But what you do is totally convenient and this kind of smear game through repeating simple ideas for other players to internalize and eventually even believe them as true tires and bores me.

I'm not going to let you continue with the same strategy against me all game, and this post is not the first indication of that.

If you want to build a case against me where you explain reasonably why you think I'm mafia, go ahead, I'll be happy to explain and dismantle that post.

But I'm not going to let some idiot keep repeating the same thing all game without giving him a good warning.

- calling his accusers stupid
- threatening tone
- complaining that there is no case to respond to

i almost have a scum bingo over here just from this one post

Yes, the form of the case is stupid.

Yes its a warning of how u do the case, its tremendously wolfy the form


And yes, u havent argue a thing properly said.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@DaughterOfOmega has been modkilled, effective immediately. They flip VT.

[falcon45ca]

Well shit