Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[BoKnows]

why is LC just now CCing JPIC

probably because he's on the block now

Actually, smart guy, I'm looking at other players and trying to see who could be a wolf. Maybe that's a reason JPIC could be one.

Don't flatter yourself into thinking that what you say about me or voting for me is going to change the way I'm playing for a second.

[Strawhenge]

Jaysus, take the wheel.

[Strawhenge]

I'm not done with you, Esooa, but [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine.

[Long Con]

@MacDougall [Peggy Blumquist] has been killed.

"It's just a flying saucer, Ed. We gotta go!"
Peggy Blumquist

[Passive] - Peggy knows the identity of her husband Ed, and they share a private chat together. On the run, Peggy and Ed are lying low and as such, they may not share any pieces of information about their identities nor roles. That includes hinting at this very passive.

[Active] - On a journey to become her best self, Peggy is determined to attend a seminar she believes will help her achieve her goal, and as such she's willing to save money to attend at all costs. Even if it means stealing. Each night, Peggy may target a player and steal their vote for one phase. She may choose which day phase she would like to use her stolen votes (and how many of them), the night before it. Players targeted by her regain their vote one day later even if she hasn't consumed them yet.
--- [Now That's Just Rude] - If a player has voted against Peggy twice, she may instead decide to teach them some manners and to steal one of their abilities randomly as a one-shot (if any).

[Active - Bonnie And Clyde] - Each night, Peggy and Ed may target two players. They'll gain immunity against those two players for the night and as such may not be killed by them. If one of them is attacked by one of their targets, Peggy will run them over with her and Ed will finish the job. To get rid of any evidence, Ed will take care of the body janitoring it. [Redacted]

Primary Wincon - Eliminate all threats to Town
Secondary Wincon - Survive until the end

Day 2 starts.
You have 48 hours to decide on an elimination.

Can someone point out which part of this role indicates that Ed Blumquist is a town role?

[KZA]

why would you track Hally

watch Hally I can see, but tracking? she was clear after Mac died

[BoKnows]

Who's Ed?

[Long Con]

why would you track Hally

watch Hally I can see, but tracking? she was clear after Mac died

I didn't track Hally.

[KZA]

why would you track Hally

watch Hally I can see, but tracking? she was clear after Mac died

I didn't track Hally.

Then what did you do?

[Long Con]

Who's Ed?

Peggy's BTSC partner, who we assume to be Hally.

[Long Con]

why would you track Hally

watch Hally I can see, but tracking? she was clear after Mac died

I didn't track Hally.

Then what did you do?

I watched her.

[BoKnows]

why would you track Hally

watch Hally I can see, but tracking? she was clear after Mac died

I didn't track Hally.

Bro... You just said you tracked her N2.

[Long Con]

why would you track Hally

watch Hally I can see, but tracking? she was clear after Mac died

I didn't track Hally.

Bro... You just said you tracked her N2.

Show me.

[KZA]

idk what the correct play is here

@Justplayingitcool you still up lol

[BoKnows]

I think we're assuming Hally is town cause aren't masons usually v/v?

Has anyone ever played in a game where Masons are v/w? Plus Hally has been playing uber towny.

[BoKnows]

LC if you can track, claim actions please

My targets are already known. Alison night 1, Hally night 2. Failed both times.

@Long Con

[Long Con]

LC if you can track, claim actions please

My targets are already known. Alison night 1, Hally night 2. Failed both times.

@Long Con

I can track.

I did target Hally.

I did not track Hally.

[BoKnows]

can everyone in this game please name their three strongest townreads, and their preferred chop option today?

Hally, Michelle, Nanook.

I'd prefer to chop Esooa based on her fake roleclaim. Or Alison, who is redchecked and is probably bad.

So many other fine choices to chop as well. KZA, fingersplints, Oddmerta, all look scummy.

Why do we trust JPIC? Because he did a track? Hell, I can track, what are the chances of two town trackers?

When KZA says it was redundant to track Hally N2, your story changes to you watching her?

[Long Con]

I think we're assuming Hally is town cause aren't masons usually v/v?

Has anyone ever played in a game where Masons are v/w? Plus Hally has been playing uber towny.

They're not defined as masons.

[BoKnows]

LC if you can track, claim actions please

My targets are already known. Alison night 1, Hally night 2. Failed both times.

@Long Con

I can track.

I did target Hally.

I did not track Hally.

You're losing me here LC

[Long Con]

can everyone in this game please name their three strongest townreads, and their preferred chop option today?

Hally, Michelle, Nanook.

I'd prefer to chop Esooa based on her fake roleclaim. Or Alison, who is redchecked and is probably bad.

So many other fine choices to chop as well. KZA, fingersplints, Oddmerta, all look scummy.

Why do we trust JPIC? Because he did a track? Hell, I can track, what are the chances of two town trackers?

When KZA says it was redundant to track Hally N2, your story changes to you watching her?

No, my story has never changed.

[Long Con]

LC if you can track, claim actions please

My targets are already known. Alison night 1, Hally night 2. Failed both times.

@Long Con

I can track.

I did target Hally.

I did not track Hally.

You're losing me here LC

I can track and I can watch.

[staypositivefriend]

i believe that we've reached a point in the game where solving based on mechanics is no longer going to be useful - the wolves have had more than enough time to prep believable sounding fakeclaims, and i believe part of the reason today has stalled is because of the amount of back-and-forth regarding mechanical shenanigans

let's chop who is scummy and townread who is not scummy. i would like to hear a case on long con that does not have to do with his role

[Long Con]

i believe that we've reached a point in the game where solving based on mechanics is no longer going to be useful - the wolves have had more than enough time to prep believable sounding fakeclaims, and i believe part of the reason today has stalled is because of the amount of back-and-forth regarding mechanical shenanigans

let's chop who is scummy and townread who is not scummy. i would like to hear a case on long con that does not have to do with his role

Does "I have always had a bad feeling about Long Con in every game I have played with him" count?

I can save several players a post here, if it does.

[Strawhenge]

i would like to hear a case on long con that does not have to do with his role

Not about his role directly, but he sure couldn't make up his mind about what it actually was. And a late-ass counterclaim on JPIC's tracking role. He even mentioned JPIC's tracking role once, as if there was implicit trust there.

Two town trackers or not, I'd sure as fuck start asking questions if someone claimed a role that I also had.

[BoKnows]

i believe that we've reached a point in the game where solving based on mechanics is no longer going to be useful - the wolves have had more than enough time to prep believable sounding fakeclaims, and i believe part of the reason today has stalled is because of the amount of back-and-forth regarding mechanical shenanigans

let's chop who is scummy and townread who is not scummy. i would like to hear a case on long con that does not have to do with his role

The first thing that made me question LC was Alison's "TMI slip". Long was reaching hard here and trying to make something out of nothing. After all of out interactions I've never left them feeling good about LC. Today's push on Esooa, the CC to JPIC, and whole tracking/watching confusion is the icing on the cake for me.

[fingersplints]

Response to @Long Con

Spoiler: show

Just looking at fingersplints' ISO to see what I think.

1) Nanook JPIC
2) Long Con
3) Falcon

Nanook isn't fully clear in my mind. Is there a chance Nook is in the other team and has a vig shot?

I guess there is always a chance but it feels really unlikely to me. There has been a lot of kills each night, I feel like the town would need a kill to balance it out. Also, if nanook was wolf why would he go for Dom with his extra kill and not try to get one of the confirmed town? I’ve been leaning town on nanook for a while so I trust this

This might be a fingersplints wolf believing Nanook is truly town.

I’ve never seen a role that can’t be lynched, can’t be night killed, can’t vote, and can protect people. Seems unbelievably overpowered.

If fingersplints is a wolf, Esooa isn't on her team.

I need to read more thoroughly. These role mechanics are too confusing for me.

This games mechanics are just going over my head.

Maybe true, but the insistence upon appearing as this type of innocence feels a little like a wolfy shield.

@Sloonei

Speculating bad based on role and team just isn’t my thing unless there are obvious reasons for me to think it. My scum hunting tactics have always been quite unconventional in that manner. I used to play in games where you’d generally be given a list of all the roles from the host in the beginning, and people would find it odd because I wouldn’t read the roles for days. I remember one game where I got suspicion for not knowing the town win condition, but I was town
It’s why you’ll hear me say time and time again that I’m more comfortable in smaller games with more standard role mechanics, or I’ll play if I absolutely love the theme. This game was a bit of a weird one for me to choose because it ticks none of those things I just mentioned. If you want to know the actual reason, I mentioned it in signups https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 36#p756636


I’ve already said my thoughts haven’t changed, but let’s talk more
Anyways, I know you have disagreed with this take, but I still think TSP is Marmot’s teammate based on early comments made. Anything later on I think could have been attempts at distancing. It’s probably stubborn headless, but I can’t get over it.

I think some valid points have been made for the ted connection to marmot, so I could see this as another possibility. I don’t want to be accused of copying again, so I’m just being honest here that it’s in no way my idea but I think it’s got merit.

The rest on the last PoE I listed (al, LC, maybe Dom) have potential scummy behaviour that I don’t identify to any team. Dom’s still included here because he’s such a big question mark that I don’t want to forget about him and give him a free pass.

I know I still have some neutrals, but tbh I feel comfortable not having made up my mind on everyone yet. I don’t play like that. I have a few main suspects to focus on and that is enough for me. I am open minded enough to allow for thinking about others, but I don’t feel like I need to be pressured to decide about them now.

Debated on including this one just for the fact that she pushed on two townfolk here, because that happens. But I couldn't resist highlighting the small Player Salad she employed, yes, it is a real tell. Two town members and AL_sama, who's probably just on KC and not fingersplints' team, Gerhardt.

Also, she treated TSP as her personal suspicion project ALMOST to the exclusion of other suspicions until he died.

@Sloonei I love the
“Me:
Me”

section

I definitely agree with the talk that Falcon needs revisiting. I remember thinking they were town early on, but I’m not sure that it’s a good enough reason with the recent flip and their latest activity. (Changing votes while not wanting to answer why)

His lack of an explanation upon request is not a great look either.

If you had to crunch the game down into a 5-player pool of suspects, who would they be?

If I were to crunch the player list to the “least townie” 5 I’d probably end up with Al, Dom, LC, jpic, and maybe Falcon.
But I’m having a hard time picking just 5. Being wrong about tsp is making me question a lot. I still don’t have a great read on spf. I’m less confident on town lean for Bo. I don’t know if we can trust the claims for Odd and KZA. And what if I’m just stupid and wrong in my town read of nanook.

This time, she opted for the Large Player Salad.

Blah. Done with ISO. Suspicion rekindled. [VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

You’ve been playing with me for a long time. You know better than anyone here that mechanics aren’t my thing. This game is very complicated. I can’t prove anything now with that other than saying you know better, so I’ll reiterate it after the game for good measure. Not much I can really say about this. Although I doubt I’ll ever play such a complicated game again, so it probably won’t come up as reason for suspicion. Kind of a lame response, but I think this is kind of a lame accusation anyways

Now to the “salad”...The large player salad is me listing five players directly replying to Sloonei asking for five players. I really can’t see how that is so incriminating. Maybe I don’t really understand the whole salad thing, because I don’t see how what you are accusing me of is any different then people having PoE. It’s just a group of suspects

Out of curiosity, how many players do you think are on each team?

I think there are three on each team.

Salad formation includes the ", and maybe". That's an important part.

I don't care how much mechanics isn't your thing. I care how much you lean into that in order to parlay some towncred.

If you think there are only three on a team why would you have said “Two town members and AL_sama, who's probably just on KC and not fingersplints' team, Gerhardt.”?
I thought it’s been established that we would be informed of a mafia team was eliminated? Meaning if you believe there are three, Al cannot be KC as he would be the third and final member

I don’t think I’m getting any “town cred” for saying mechanics aren’t my thing, so I find that a ludicrous assertion. Plenty of other of people have said that the mechanics are too much, but for some reason you are singling my mention of it out to fit your narrative.

Your “PoE”s have been pretty indecisive as well.

Here is one example although I found instances like this all throughout your posts

This is where I run to my room and slam the door because puberty is hard.

I'm willing to listen to ya. Give me some reads, Top 3 Scum, Top 3 Town if ya plz

Like, I don't have much for you, I don't know who's bad.

I feel like the concept of "Top 3 Town" has been pushed around a little by the latest revelations.

Like, Alison-Oddmerta-Hally? Pretty uncreative. Strawhenge I still like. SPF seems legit, especially with her upcoming whatever thing. Sloonei is easy to love when you're looking from a scummy perspective, but he also doesn't shine as much as the other towny folk, which could be something. Esooa? I don't really know at all.

For the bad guys though... well, here's the list, right?

Dom
KZA
Long Con
Nanook
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
AL_sama

But that coloration is so derivative, I know. Plus I don't really "do" Nanook. Fingersplints might just be, actually. Yes, I do think fingersplints is mafia. Dom is ???

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[Long Con]

In what world is an indecisive POE a scummy indicator?

It has only been confirmed to me since today that we will be informed when a team is eliminated.

[fingersplints]

can everyone in this game please name their three strongest townreads, and their preferred chop option today?

strongest TR: Hally, Alison, nanook

Chop: LC

[fingersplints]

In what world is an indecisive POE a scummy indicator?

It has only been confirmed to me since today that we will be informed when a team is eliminated.

You said it was the “and maybe” that bothered you about my PoE.
Again, the reason mine was 5 was to directly answer Sloonei for 5. I had 4 and the 5th I was indecisive on. I didn’t choose the number 5.

[Long Con]

In what world is an indecisive POE a scummy indicator?

It has only been confirmed to me since today that we will be informed when a team is eliminated.

You said it was the “and maybe” that bothered you about my PoE.
Again, the reason mine was 5 was to directly answer Sloonei for 5. I had 4 and the 5th I was indecisive on. I didn’t choose the number 5.

Yes. That was how you did a classic scum tell. And?

[Esooa]

lc town imo

[Esooa]

why are falcon/jpic town

[fingersplints]

In what world is an indecisive POE a scummy indicator?

It has only been confirmed to me since today that we will be informed when a team is eliminated.

You said it was the “and maybe” that bothered you about my PoE.
Again, the reason mine was 5 was to directly answer Sloonei for 5. I had 4 and the 5th I was indecisive on. I didn’t choose the number 5.

Yes. That was how you did a classic scum tell. And?

I disagree with scum tells, but in the post I quoted of yours you said “might be”. Is “might be” really that different then “maybe”. So I think you have done similar but are trying to paint it in a bad light as an excuse to go for someone who might be an easy lynch.

I’ve spent a lot of time going through your posts tonight. It’s hard to multiquote and cut out applicable bits from my phone, but you’ve been careful this game, keeping your jokey demeanour, but your tone has been off since your early responses to Oddmerta (and then your response to my question) about the posting your vote for the time in the thread. It’s hard to make a case, but I think your scum.

[fingersplints]

Oh I did find this which I feel requires a little comment.

Don't make me sing it in a video.

do it

LC absolutely will sing for a mafia game. I’ve seen it.

[KZA]

why are falcon/jpic town

JPIC idk him and LC can both track...probably 1 wolf in there

Falcon is being weird with his vote again and has an unprovable claim might just be Mafia

[Long Con]

In what world is an indecisive POE a scummy indicator?

It has only been confirmed to me since today that we will be informed when a team is eliminated.

You said it was the “and maybe” that bothered you about my PoE.
Again, the reason mine was 5 was to directly answer Sloonei for 5. I had 4 and the 5th I was indecisive on. I didn’t choose the number 5.

Yes. That was how you did a classic scum tell. And?

I disagree with scum tells, but in the post I quoted of yours you said “might be”. Is “might be” really that different then “maybe”. So I think you have done similar but are trying to paint it in a bad light as an excuse to go for someone who might be an easy lynch.

I’ve spent a lot of time going through your posts tonight. It’s hard to multiquote and cut out applicable bits from my phone, but you’ve been careful this game, keeping your jokey demeanour, but your tone has been off since your early responses to Oddmerta (and then your response to my question) about the posting your vote for the time in the thread. It’s hard to make a case, but I think your scum.

I haven't been careful about anything, and my demeanour is pretty normal.

Player Salad follows the structure of giving your suspicions as "A, B, C, and maybe D". Me saying you "might be" anything has zero relevance to me catching you twice with that tell in a singlepost. None.

Oh I did find this which I feel requires a little comment.

Don't make me sing it in a video.

do it

LC absolutely will sing for a mafia game. I’ve seen it.

So far, the deal is still on. I want to sing. She said my lyrics didn't follow the Mister Sandman song accurately, and I'm eager to show her that they did.

[Hally]

I guess I'll be the ole' man on the porch, yellin' at you young whipper snappers & your mechanics, & just do it old skool & lynch a red check

i don’t understand why you keep saying this. odd claimed to busdrive alison so michelle doesn’t actually have a check on alison as far as we know

framing this like “just kill the red check” is extremely simplistic

I think taking Odd at his word is extremely simplistic.

i don’t. a wolf isn’t going to lie about a busdrive when it’s mechanically verifiable. if odd is a wolf busdriver he always claims his real targets so that he’s not outed when stuff like this happens

[Hally]

@Hally - who is a good chop today, in your opinion?

i agree that esooa is a bad idea but it seems like people are stretched fairly thin w/regards to their other options

long con?

[falcon45ca]

why are falcon/jpic town

JPIC idk him and LC can both track...probably 1 wolf in there

Falcon is being weird with his vote again and has an unprovable claim might just be Mafia

Being "weird" is voting red checks, yet believing other player's claims with 0 evidence is A-OK....sure

[Hally]

lol how did lc get 5 votes

i didn’t even see that

[staypositivefriend]

@Hally - who is a good chop today, in your opinion?

i agree that esooa is a bad idea but it seems like people are stretched fairly thin w/regards to their other options

long con?

i dont find long con ~that~ wolfy, in all honesty, but i'm not sure if we're capable of getting a better chop within the next hour. his flip would also be incredibly useful if we live in a world where he ~is~ a wolf - it just doesn't feel like a particularly inspired choice

[Strawhenge]

why are falcon/jpic town

JPIC idk him and LC can both track...probably 1 wolf in there

Falcon is being weird with his vote again and has an unprovable claim might just be Mafia

Being "weird" is voting red checks, yet believing other player's claims with 0 evidence is A-OK....sure

In most other games, I totally feel you. But this is Mech Hell. There's so much weird shit going on and it's tying us all into a cat's cradle.

[Long Con]

LC is mafia and sensed a chance to take over the thread. Vote him.

For the record, I have never sensed a chance that I could take over the thread, because that doesn't happen. More often, I get suspected more for trying harder to solve. Not sure why, probably because people don't like the way I solve, I guess. Even though I called out pretty much every bad guy in Fallout 2 but hey who cares right?

[Strawhenge]

@staypositivefriend, why KZA?

[Hally]

i doubt that esooa is mafia but i'm also doubtful that long con is mafia as well (even though i would vote for long con over esooa at this point in the game) - i am mildly interested in pursuing a world where falcon/alison/strawhenge contains at least one wolf, because i think it does

why do you doubt lc is a wolf?

[Long Con]

@Hally - who is a good chop today, in your opinion?

i agree that esooa is a bad idea but it seems like people are stretched fairly thin w/regards to their other options

long con?

Oh snap, I guess I am not singing after all. I'm disappointed on multiple fronts now.

[Long Con]

why are falcon/jpic town

JPIC idk him and LC can both track...probably 1 wolf in there

Falcon is being weird with his vote again and has an unprovable claim might just be Mafia

Being "weird" is voting red checks, yet believing other player's claims with 0 evidence is A-OK....sure

In most other games, I totally feel you. But this is Mech Hell. There's so much weird shit going on and it's tying us all into a cat's cradle.

Strawhenge is probably bad, this post reeks.

[Esooa]

I'd rather kill JPIC/Falcon than LC

[Hally]

can everyone in this game please name their three strongest townreads, and their preferred chop option today?

Hally, Michelle, Nanook.

I'd prefer to chop Esooa based on her fake roleclaim. Or Alison, who is redchecked and is probably bad.

So many other fine choices to chop as well. KZA, fingersplints, Oddmerta, all look scummy.

Why do we trust JPIC? Because he did a track? Hell, I can track, what are the chances of two town trackers?

you’re telling me you tracked me N2? me, the confirmed villager?

[Strawhenge]

why are falcon/jpic town

JPIC idk him and LC can both track...probably 1 wolf in there

Falcon is being weird with his vote again and has an unprovable claim might just be Mafia

Being "weird" is voting red checks, yet believing other player's claims with 0 evidence is A-OK....sure

In most other games, I totally feel you. But this is Mech Hell. There's so much weird shit going on and it's tying us all into a cat's cradle.

Strawhenge is probably bad, this post reeks.

What about that reeks? I'm confused as shit and don't know what I can trust and what I can't.