Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[Strawhenge]

That's what I'm saying. I never doubted she was a cop, especially after she red-peeked my miller card.

okay but

if michelle isn’t a wolf and esooa was targeted for the kill

then the only one left who can be the wolf is you

I'm telling you, I don't think it's outlandish that Esooa self-targeted. If she killed you, that's not an auto-win. There was still a possibility that Michelle and I could chop her today. The only way to be sure that she was in the clear would be to make it seem like she was the target.

[Hally]

[VOTE: straw] aubergine

It's not me, Hally.

but it has to be

there’s no other explanation for the failed super kill other than esooa getting targeted so she’s not a wolf

and michelle is not a wolf

so you’re a wolf

[Michelle]

Esooa didn't claim 3rd, she said she is town stump, unlynchable, and she keep saying she is a villager and wants a 'correct' read.
When i said she is scum checked, she said 'so is Straw' meaning she confirms that my peek exists.

I think that post is a slip.

In the last days the actions didn't show the presence of a scum redirector. A scum redirector would mess up Odd's action and help to kill me.

But she didn't talk about such thing, she directly attacked me saying i am scum because i am alive

[Hally]

That's what I'm saying. I never doubted she was a cop, especially after she red-peeked my miller card.

okay but

if michelle isn’t a wolf and esooa was targeted for the kill

then the only one left who can be the wolf is you

I'm telling you, I don't think it's outlandish that Esooa self-targeted. If she killed you, that's not an auto-win. There was still a possibility that Michelle and I could chop her today. The only way to be sure that she was in the clear would be to make it seem like she was the target.

why wouldn’t she kill michelle so that i would just vote you

you’re literally trying to tell me she nk’d herself instead of the claimed cop

that’s just dumb

[Strawhenge]

Because you were suspicious of her the previous night.

[Hally]

Because you were suspicious of her the previous night.

so she let herself get redchecked?????

makes no sense

[Hally]

Esooa didn't claim 3rd, she said she is town stump, unlynchable, and she keep saying she is a villager and wants a 'correct' read.
When i said she is scum checked, she said 'so is Straw' meaning she confirms that my peek exists.

I think that post is a slip.

In the last days the actions didn't show the presence of a scum redirector. A scum redirector would mess up Odd's action and help to kill me.

But she didn't talk about such thing, she directly attacked me saying i am scum because i am alive

but so would a roleblocker, which bo flipped as

he could have blocked odd and gotten a free kill on you at any point and didn’t

clearly the wolves are not making optimal decisions here

[Hally]

This is a true story. The events depicted took place at The Syndicate Forum in April 2021. At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred.

@BoKnows [Bear Gerhardt] has been eliminated.

"There's gonna be a reckoning one day, brother. All souls are called to account for their actions. In the end, we all get what we deserve."
Bear Gerhardt

[Passive] - Bear is immune to night kills. He will survive a super-kill used against him, however, it will consume his whole role leaving him as a Mafia Goon and draining his vote for a day.
--- [Bear] - If he performs the factional kill, Bear may upgrade it to a super-kill. [1-shot]

[Active] - Each night, Bear may target a player and restrain them. They will be role-blocked for the night and may not perform any action.

[Active - Siege] - Redacted.

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to the Gerhardt Crime Syndicate

Night 8 starts.
You have 23 hours to submit your actions (if any).

like, they literally have a roleblocker and they didn’t use it to block odd so they could kill you

what were they thinking lmao

[Strawhenge]

Because you were suspicious of her the previous night.

so she let herself get redchecked?????

makes no sense

Well, look at the way she responded to it, that Michelle pointed out. She could just say, 'So is Straw.' She could've also simply said, 'I'm unchoppable, so I don't care,' and then stopped posting. That would've been plenty of WIFOM for us. Instead she fought harder today than on many previous days, as if she had a reason to fear getting chopped.

[Hally]

Because you were suspicious of her the previous night.

so she let herself get redchecked?????

makes no sense

Well, look at the way she responded to it, that Michelle pointed out. She could just say, 'So is Straw.' She could've also simply said, 'I'm unchoppable, so I don't care,' and then stopped posting. That would've been plenty of WIFOM for us. Instead she fought harder today than on many previous days, as if she had a reason to fear getting chopped.

then what happened to the kill?

and don’t say she self-targeted because i refuse to entertain that

[Strawhenge]

clearly the wolves are not making optimal decisions here

Kind of indicative of someone who doesn't care about the game, imo.

[Hally]

clearly the wolves are not making optimal decisions here

Kind of indicative of someone who doesn't care about the game, imo.

i mean, no because they could have done that when bo was still alive and you would think bo + whoever the last wolf is could come up with the idea to roleblock the busdriver

[Esooa]

I explained why I had no problems being lynched previous days and even encouraged it the previous day

we're in lylo, do you think that changes nothing?

[Strawhenge]

and don’t say she self-targeted because i refuse to entertain that

That's my only plausible explanation. Unless someone has a hitherto unclaimed superkill-proof ability, the only explanation is that you, Michelle, or I tried to kill Esooa. I know that I didn't, and we both agree that Michelle didn't.

So we come to an impasse: I know I'm not scum, but in your POV, I'm the only other option. But to me, you're the only other option. And I don't think it's you.

[Hally]

yea, esooa doesn’t want to get lunched today if she’s a villager because if the elimination fails and then the kill goes through it’s effectively handing wolves another crack at winning

it’s not wolfy at all for her to be fighting here

[Hally]

@Michelle are you sure you don’t have vests or something?

[Michelle]

I think you forgot about KZA who targeted Bo in the same time with me and make sure i can receive the peek no matter if a RBer is targeting me.

[Michelle]

@Michelle are you sure you don’t have vests or something?

I asked, i didn't receive an answer from Nova yet

[Hally]

I think you forgot about KZA who targeted Bo in the same time with me and make sure i can receive the peek no matter if a RBer is targeting me.

right, but i’m saying they would roleblock odd not you

then with the busdriver blocked they can super kill you

[Michelle]

Why i have a red check on Esooa?

Why considered Esooa that game is finished last night?

Why, if she thought Odd is villager, didn't fight for his life to defend him?

Why she lied about me hammering Odd?

[Michelle]

I think you forgot about KZA who targeted Bo in the same time with me and make sure i can receive the peek no matter if a RBer is targeting me.

right, but i’m saying they would roleblock odd not you

then with the busdriver blocked they can super kill you

Troopers were tinfoiled since day 1, they wanted to let Odd to be mischopped, and that happened

[Michelle]

I think you forgot about KZA who targeted Bo in the same time with me and make sure i can receive the peek no matter if a RBer is targeting me.

right, but i’m saying they would roleblock odd not you

then with the busdriver blocked they can super kill you

They thought i can be discredited because i am alive, idk, i would rather check Bo's and JPICs isos than speculating what wolves have done lately

[Hally]

Why i have a red check on Esooa?

Why considered Esooa that game is finished last night?

Why, if she thought Odd is villager, didn't fight for his life to defend him?

Why she lied about me hammering Odd?

- because straw has a redirect or she’s a wolf

- because that’s an entirely reasonable assumption after we just mislunched in mylo. why would she expect the kill to randomly get blocked regardless of her alignment?

- because she doesn’t care

- because you redchecked her and regardless of her alignment she’s going to try to discredit you

[Hally]

I think you forgot about KZA who targeted Bo in the same time with me and make sure i can receive the peek no matter if a RBer is targeting me.

right, but i’m saying they would roleblock odd not you

then with the busdriver blocked they can super kill you

Troopers were tinfoiled since day 1, they wanted to let Odd to be mischopped, and that happened

that has nothing to do with what i said

[Michelle]

My way of searching for scum late game is Iso - ing first days of a wolf team, not full Iso, because at start they try to blend in and their steps are small, until they succeed to infiltrate the town core, like Bo did.
Analyzing their votes is also usually useful, except in Esooa's case, because she voted herself all game.

[Hally]

look michelle, regardless of either esooa’s alignment or yours, you haven’t handled this correctly and esooa is correct to point that out

there’s zero reason why you shouldn’t have stopped to think about why you’re alive, what happened to the kill and whether your checks can be trusted

instead you’re barreling ahead with your check and failing to consider any of the above, which is not good

[Esooa]

it is self vote Sunday my dudes

[Michelle]

Why i have a red check on Esooa?

Why considered Esooa that game is finished last night?

Why, if she thought Odd is villager, didn't fight for his life to defend him?

Why she lied about me hammering Odd?

- because straw has a redirect or she’s a wolf

- because that’s an entirely reasonable assumption after we just mislunched in mylo. why would she expect the kill to randomly get blocked regardless of her alignment?

- because she doesn’t care

- because you redchecked her and regardless of her alignment she’s going to try to discredit you

- so i could be redirected to mafia no matter who i would check. Meaning mafia could target themselves. But Esooa didn't think at this, she directly said I am scum and persuaded you to vote me.

- regardless her alignament doesn't help... as scum she would know she targeted to kill a villager and game may finish

- the fact she doesn't care a town read she has is mischopped is nagl

- i don't find this logical at all, if she is villager she knows i am a villager, we have enough experience in playing together

[Michelle]

look michelle, regardless of either esooa’s alignment or yours, you haven’t handled this correctly and esooa is correct to point that out

there’s zero reason why you shouldn’t have stopped to think about why you’re alive, what happened to the kill and whether your checks can be trusted

instead you’re barreling ahead with your check and failing to consider any of the above, which is not good

I didn't think why am i alive. So what? That doesn't make me scum.
I am unable to find a mechanically reason who can stop a superkill. That also doesn't make me a wolf.

I think we are not searching correct. Talking with each other without searching for clues it goes into an infinite loop of Wifom who is counter productive

Mafia would not come up and say who they wanted to kill, we have to find who is mafia by checking early game interactions.

[Michelle]

I think you forgot about KZA who targeted Bo in the same time with me and make sure i can receive the peek no matter if a RBer is targeting me.

right, but i’m saying they would roleblock odd not you

then with the busdriver blocked they can super kill you

Troopers were tinfoiled since day 1, they wanted to let Odd to be mischopped, and that happened

that has nothing to do with what i said

That means i thought it has.
What i wanted to say was that I think they NKed in an order who would help them best and we don't know their plans and available actions. It may be a misplay from them
Or they had the priority to kill Alison, Nanook.
We also have other missing NKs who are unknown

[Michelle]

yea, esooa doesn’t want to get lunched today if she’s a villager because if the elimination fails and then the kill goes through it’s effectively handing wolves another crack at winning

it’s not wolfy at all for her to be fighting here

Not the fact she fights is wolfy, the fact she lied i hammered Odd, whom she said was clearly a villager, this makes me me think at TMI, and at her need to obtain a mislynch today.

[Hally]

i dunno what to do

[Michelle]

Idk either and i need some time to read things like i said.

[Michelle]

fuck i wanna go crazy but i shouldnt

but if i WEER TO GO CRAZY

i would call eso and alison town

BUT NO I WILL NOT.

go crazy

Tutuu made an association of Alison and Esooa both town but she rejected it as crazy.
Jpic approved the idea.We know Alison was town because she was the only NK that night and because I have a green check on her.
Would mafia Jpic help with the confirmation of two villagers? Why would he do that? If Esooa is his partner, why not take advantage of the association between the universal town read Alison and his mate?

[Michelle]

can scum pls tell me they're scum to help me solve the game?

What if you're scum tho

then I'm a fool

what do you mean?

i agree i think bo scumslipped

[VOTE: boknows] aubergine

die wolf

I find people making posts ‘if the wolves can out themselves to make game easier’ is slightly wolfy.

However, i think it’s hasty to call it a scum slip rn. I just don’t really see the point in his last two posts

Jpic pushed Bo but when Tutuu voted him he found the way to defend him.
The way he talks with Tutuu shows they are not partners imo

What if you're scum tho

then I'm a fool

what do you mean?

i agree i think bo scumslipped

[VOTE: boknows] aubergine

die wolf

I find people making posts ‘if the wolves can out themselves to make game easier’ is slightly wolfy.

However, i think it’s hasty to call it a scum slip rn. I just don’t really see the point in his last two posts

if i was town i would have replied with "then i fool u " to "what if ur scum tho"

"then im a fool" is what i'd think to say if i was scum

bo is 100% outed mafia by his own joke

Random thought: what would he have said if he was an indie?

Jpic tried to put here his partner in an 3p role to explain his lack of towniness

[Michelle]

I have to sleep, is 11 pm, I will wake up early and play

[Hally]

good talk

[Michelle]

Question : @Strawhenge if you didn't play with a miller role before, how come you claimed miller in your defence for my peek, instead explaining with your words what your role says?

This is what i remember, i didn't reread, but is a thing that bothers me since yday and i forgot to ask

[Michelle]

i find the dynamic between alison/tutuu very interesting

how so?

Until the end of the posts i quoted i have several who again shows tutuu and JPIC are not aligned.
Based on tutuu is town idea, the above is how JPIC was questioning things, trying to put townies to work and adding very little to the thread.
In comparison, his posts about Bo are more elaborated and pushy.

If Michelle doesn’t go gung-ho on tutuu then she’s lock scum

This post is the kind of meta clichees i hate.
JPIC wouldn't post this if any of us were his mates, he is shading two villagers here imo.

If Michelle doesn’t go gung-ho on tutuu then she’s lock scum

U think? I dont think so; i think michelle seeing me wolf influenced her to tunnel me, so then seeing me town would influence her to not scumread me id think

Maybe not to the same extent, but I do expect to see high levels of paranoia

So this team knows i am paranoid, and maybe Straw speculated this by making the case on Odd.
This is interesting to see, wolves speculating my level of paranoia
I can't take out Straw from the possibility of being JPICs mate unfortunately.

i was hoping that the heat getting off of JPIC for a while would encourage him to scumhunt and solve the game on his own time - but it seems to have done the complete opposite. it worries me that JPIC's motivation in the thread was the highest when he was under suspicion

I have been asleep the last 9 hours or so

sleeping?? during a mafia game??? the audacity....

the audacity of this bitch

No joke I haven't been in thread since like 12 hours ago or whatever, cause I refreshed the page, and the newest post was on the next page, but I didn't see it cause it wasn't on the page I was on, so I thought there were no new posts

I did this like 10 times over the past 12 hours

I want to townread you for the second bit

JPIC wanted to TR Esooa, but he didn't do it for real.
It's the kind of read you can do for a mate.

tutuu - town
falcon - town aggro
jayjay - town being very helpful and trying to cover the gaps and doing what he thinks is best and putting alot
mac - towny idgafaq toan
jpic - town reaction to getting scumread
fingersplints - towny way of articulate self expression
nook - towny openwolf joke
eso - town fight on jay
odd - town lack of elaboration on his hunting
alison - town weird tutuu read
tsp - gut town

kza - scummy elaborations
bo knows - gut scum
al sama - scummy for apologizing twice

Why is saying sorry twice scummy?

Tutuu's reads, JPIC being nitpicky, not w/w

Well that's a hell of a way to start a new page! Yeehaw!

Tell me about Oddmerta, ted and Esooa.

i thought his first few posts were pretty wolfy when i was itt

afaict he has trouble finding an actual tunnel for genuine reasons and from his iso I can't glean that he's actually reading the thread and assessing stuff like a villager would

from the few games we've played, i don't expect him to talk about someone like sloonei being scum and then voting somebody random like jpic, he seems to me more like the theory conspiracy guy. doesn't seem like he's using his votes in order to gather INTEL from his scum reads (especially sloonei)

the LC read I believe was straight up stolen from spf's call on alison - and that was probably the only villagery thing that i was willing to call slightly villagery in his iso, but it's most likely nothing

i don't like to type a lot of words, hope this manages to sum it up decently

My only thoughts on Odd so far is that he blatantly misrepresented me and said I dismissed day 0 reads which is not what I said at all. When I called him out on it, he has not responded.

Pushing Odd here, i see both Ted and JPIC are not talking about Esooa, even if Jay asked about her too.
Maybe is nothing, but if Ted was mafia was the godfather of the Gerhardts. Just another thought i can't get rid of..

Esooa's insistence of questioning her townclears is entering twilight zone territory tho. So if you're trying to give yourself NK cover by getting suspected or something keep going.

I dab on you dab dab dab dab

it's simply the easiest point of discussion for me with other players

Try doing something mildly scummy and then omgussing anyone who goes after you for it. Much more fun imo.

I can't even think of anything scummy to do

I'm just a beacon of townyness

Just claim town cop

The kind of advice for a mate who is not present in scumchat?

@Justplayingitcool quick, top four town and top three mafia go go go GO GO GO HURRY

Town:
JJJ
Straw
Esooa
Ted

Mafia:
BoKnows
Oddmerta
TSP

One mate in scum, one in town. Nothing helpful, both Straw and Esooa are in town.
But he is interacting more with Esooa.

General notes and observations:

Spoiler: show

• I don't like @KZA saying tutuu is fake as justification for voting for her. Feels like a weak case.

• TSP claiming that JJJ is scum, then immediately giving a tepid 'well maybe not idk' response when challenged. If @TonyStarkPrime is town, I see it as a failed provocation to get JJJ to defend himself. If TSP is scum, I see it as a failed cast of a line to see if anyone would help start a bandwagon. Wild speculation here, on my part, but this moment stands out to me.

• @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME saying he agrees because JJJ won't townread him is reminiscent of overconfident scum.

• I don't know @KZA, but this reaction to TSP's read reads as earnest.

• The @Marmot's posts here and the one two posts after it feel weird. I'm not volume-shaming at all, but the linked post reads like a totally needless justification for not engaging much with D1. The latter post, asking about multiball, feels the weirdest. After 20 pages of discussion where there are plenty of cases already gaining traction, including JJJ voting for him as of then, why go back into setup speculation?

• @BoKnows has an interesting waffling moment starting here, with a 'good vibes read' on the Marmot Later, @Alison points out an exchange between the Marmot and KZA as 'insipid and wolfy', and four minutes later BoKnows says, he no longer has good vibes from Marmot and it was just based on his pfp anyway. Scum distancing himself from a scummate?

• I for sure perked my eyebrow at @tedxtr's Oddmerta vote, but I really didn't like the almost immediate and admitted bandwagoning by @Esooa. She went from gut town-lean to gut scum-lean in an instant. Esooa is sticking to this vote, which makes me even more suspicious.

Reads on vote leaders:

• @Oddmerta is for sure casting scumreads without much backup, if any at all. I'm not sure which JPIC post he says he didn't like, nor am I sure that this post in question is his reason for voting JPIC. That said, I learned early on in my mafia days that lack of elaboration ≠ necessarily being anti-town. I'm interested in what Oddmerta has to say, but I'm not convinced of the scumreads on him yet.

• @KZA is also a case I can understand, but it's another that I don't really buy. I myself have been very self-defensive in past games as a power-roled town, because I saw myself as valuable. I still don't like KZA's take/vote on tutuu, but everything else reads as pretty earnest.

Current (mostly gut) reads (each tier is roughly in order, reasons for the scum-leans are in the notes/observations above)
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
falcon
MacDougall
Sloonei
tutuu
SPF
Oddmerta
Michelle
fingersplints
Dom
TSP
tedxtr
Long Con
nanook
JPIC
KZA
Esooa
Marmot
BoKnows

Off Topic

Hold the fuck up. There's a 'siren' button. Did...did I inspire this? If you say yes, I will cry.

Why am I that low and why is a zero poster that high.

I think the question would be more elabotared if Straw was JPICs teammate.
If they were mates the reads list would be part of Straw's narrative, and he was universally TR because Jay said so.
He would not evidentiate a mistake made by a mate, putting a zero poster higher in the reads and he would probably accept the bus, wording differently the post, to let Straw receive a bigger town credit after his flip.

Tutuu
JaggedJimmyJay
Falcon
MacDougall
Nanook
JPIC
Strawhenge
Esooa

Alison
TSP
Odd
Fingersplints

Dom

Michelle
Tedextr
Long Con
Sloonei
Staypositivefriend
Marmot

BoKnows
Al Sama
KZA

orange is null but painted as a scummy color to motivate ppl to towntell more

Why though?

ummm ill be honest i kinda forgot why i scumread u but i remembe someone quoting something and bolding one of ur sentences and saying they think its a scummy sentence - it was eso or nook or falcon and the sentence was u describing me as calm cool collected and stuff

there was a reason before that i swear but god knows what it was

It was the fool post or whatever

Tutuu forgot why she SR Bo, but JPIC knew where his team was in others reads and why.
Shows he as team player.
Tutuu villagery again (i didn't want to show how villagery she was, but that was what i found)

Spoiler: show

i just checked post count jjj is 1st in 2nd bo is 3rd. i need to townclear bo based off volume

so we got some problems guys our poe was rly bad and its still not good i think

How on earth did bo manage to get in the top 3

tutuu completely dodged the question when i asked her to clarify the reasons why she townread me, even though she knew i was suspicious about her read on me. i feel like tutuu as a wolf would be more likely to come up w/some fake reason instead of just going "i'm not telling!"

she is either doing a way over the top "why would mafia do that" act or is just town

probably just town at this point idk

I am weighing this. But I cannot shake the feeling that I just don't believe that tutuu sounds authentic in many of her posts.

I am not confident either way really

One thing I thought of is that she hasn't sounded frustrated at any point despite many accusations. Last time I towned with her in Shadow Corridors she was snappy and sounded noticeably annoyed when she was widely suspected early on.

Obviously that's just one game and it was awhile ago so not sure if this is a big or consistent meta thing for her but maybe others know more?

tutuu was pretty snappy when she was scum read in GoC. I was scared

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

i find the dynamic between alison/tutuu very interesting

how so?

Until the end of the posts i quoted i have several who again shows tutuu and JPIC are not aligned.
Based on tutuu is town idea, the above is how JPIC was questioning things, trying to put townies to work and adding very little to the thread.
In comparison, his posts about Bo are more elaborated and pushy.

If Michelle doesn’t go gung-ho on tutuu then she’s lock scum

This post is the kind of meta clichees i hate.
JPIC wouldn't post this if any of us were his mates, he is shading two villagers here imo.

If Michelle doesn’t go gung-ho on tutuu then she’s lock scum

U think? I dont think so; i think michelle seeing me wolf influenced her to tunnel me, so then seeing me town would influence her to not scumread me id think

Maybe not to the same extent, but I do expect to see high levels of paranoia

So this team knows i am paranoid, and maybe Straw speculated this by making the case on Odd.
This is interesting to see, wolves speculating my level of paranoia
I can't take out Straw from the possibility of being JPICs mate unfortunately.

i was hoping that the heat getting off of JPIC for a while would encourage him to scumhunt and solve the game on his own time - but it seems to have done the complete opposite. it worries me that JPIC's motivation in the thread was the highest when he was under suspicion

I have been asleep the last 9 hours or so

sleeping?? during a mafia game??? the audacity....

the audacity of this bitch

No joke I haven't been in thread since like 12 hours ago or whatever, cause I refreshed the page, and the newest post was on the next page, but I didn't see it cause it wasn't on the page I was on, so I thought there were no new posts

I did this like 10 times over the past 12 hours

I want to townread you for the second bit

JPIC wanted to TR Esooa, but he didn't do it for real.
It's the kind of read you can do for a mate.

tutuu - town
falcon - town aggro
jayjay - town being very helpful and trying to cover the gaps and doing what he thinks is best and putting alot
mac - towny idgafaq toan
jpic - town reaction to getting scumread
fingersplints - towny way of articulate self expression
nook - towny openwolf joke
eso - town fight on jay
odd - town lack of elaboration on his hunting
alison - town weird tutuu read
tsp - gut town

kza - scummy elaborations
bo knows - gut scum
al sama - scummy for apologizing twice

Why is saying sorry twice scummy?

Tutuu's reads, JPIC being nitpicky, not w/w

Well that's a hell of a way to start a new page! Yeehaw!

Tell me about Oddmerta, ted and Esooa.

i thought his first few posts were pretty wolfy when i was itt

afaict he has trouble finding an actual tunnel for genuine reasons and from his iso I can't glean that he's actually reading the thread and assessing stuff like a villager would

from the few games we've played, i don't expect him to talk about someone like sloonei being scum and then voting somebody random like jpic, he seems to me more like the theory conspiracy guy. doesn't seem like he's using his votes in order to gather INTEL from his scum reads (especially sloonei)

the LC read I believe was straight up stolen from spf's call on alison - and that was probably the only villagery thing that i was willing to call slightly villagery in his iso, but it's most likely nothing

i don't like to type a lot of words, hope this manages to sum it up decently

My only thoughts on Odd so far is that he blatantly misrepresented me and said I dismissed day 0 reads which is not what I said at all. When I called him out on it, he has not responded.

Pushing Odd here, i see both Ted and JPIC are not talking about Esooa, even if Jay asked about her too.
Maybe is nothing, but if Ted was mafia was the godfather of the Gerhardts. Just another thought i can't get rid of..

Esooa's insistence of questioning her townclears is entering twilight zone territory tho. So if you're trying to give yourself NK cover by getting suspected or something keep going.

I dab on you dab dab dab dab

it's simply the easiest point of discussion for me with other players

Try doing something mildly scummy and then omgussing anyone who goes after you for it. Much more fun imo.

I can't even think of anything scummy to do

I'm just a beacon of townyness

Just claim town cop

The kind of advice for a mate who is not present in scumchat?

@Justplayingitcool quick, top four town and top three mafia go go go GO GO GO HURRY

Town:
JJJ
Straw
Esooa
Ted

Mafia:
BoKnows
Oddmerta
TSP

One mate in scum, one in town. Nothing helpful, both Straw and Esooa are in town.
But he is interacting more with Esooa.

General notes and observations:

Spoiler: show

• I don't like @KZA saying tutuu is fake as justification for voting for her. Feels like a weak case.

• TSP claiming that JJJ is scum, then immediately giving a tepid 'well maybe not idk' response when challenged. If @TonyStarkPrime is town, I see it as a failed provocation to get JJJ to defend himself. If TSP is scum, I see it as a failed cast of a line to see if anyone would help start a bandwagon. Wild speculation here, on my part, but this moment stands out to me.

• @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME saying he agrees because JJJ won't townread him is reminiscent of overconfident scum.

• I don't know @KZA, but this reaction to TSP's read reads as earnest.

• The @Marmot's posts here and the one two posts after it feel weird. I'm not volume-shaming at all, but the linked post reads like a totally needless justification for not engaging much with D1. The latter post, asking about multiball, feels the weirdest. After 20 pages of discussion where there are plenty of cases already gaining traction, including JJJ voting for him as of then, why go back into setup speculation?

• @BoKnows has an interesting waffling moment starting here, with a 'good vibes read' on the Marmot Later, @Alison points out an exchange between the Marmot and KZA as 'insipid and wolfy', and four minutes later BoKnows says, he no longer has good vibes from Marmot and it was just based on his pfp anyway. Scum distancing himself from a scummate?

• I for sure perked my eyebrow at @tedxtr's Oddmerta vote, but I really didn't like the almost immediate and admitted bandwagoning by @Esooa. She went from gut town-lean to gut scum-lean in an instant. Esooa is sticking to this vote, which makes me even more suspicious.

Reads on vote leaders:

• @Oddmerta is for sure casting scumreads without much backup, if any at all. I'm not sure which JPIC post he says he didn't like, nor am I sure that this post in question is his reason for voting JPIC. That said, I learned early on in my mafia days that lack of elaboration ≠ necessarily being anti-town. I'm interested in what Oddmerta has to say, but I'm not convinced of the scumreads on him yet.

• @KZA is also a case I can understand, but it's another that I don't really buy. I myself have been very self-defensive in past games as a power-roled town, because I saw myself as valuable. I still don't like KZA's take/vote on tutuu, but everything else reads as pretty earnest.

Current (mostly gut) reads (each tier is roughly in order, reasons for the scum-leans are in the notes/observations above)
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
falcon
MacDougall
Sloonei
tutuu
SPF
Oddmerta
Michelle
fingersplints
Dom
TSP
tedxtr
Long Con
nanook
JPIC
KZA
Esooa
Marmot
BoKnows

Off Topic

Hold the fuck up. There's a 'siren' button. Did...did I inspire this? If you say yes, I will cry.

Why am I that low and why is a zero poster that high.

I think the question would be more elabotared if Straw was JPICs teammate.
If they were mates the reads list would be part of Straw's narrative, and he was universally TR because Jay said so.
He would not evidentiate a mistake made by a mate, putting a zero poster higher in the reads and he would probably accept the bus, wording differently the post, to let Straw receive a bigger town credit after his flip.

Tutuu
JaggedJimmyJay
Falcon
MacDougall
Nanook
JPIC
Strawhenge
Esooa

Alison
TSP
Odd
Fingersplints

Dom

Michelle
Tedextr
Long Con
Sloonei
Staypositivefriend
Marmot

BoKnows
Al Sama
KZA

orange is null but painted as a scummy color to motivate ppl to towntell more

Why though?

ummm ill be honest i kinda forgot why i scumread u but i remembe someone quoting something and bolding one of ur sentences and saying they think its a scummy sentence - it was eso or nook or falcon and the sentence was u describing me as calm cool collected and stuff

there was a reason before that i swear but god knows what it was

It was the fool post or whatever

Tutuu forgot why she SR Bo, but JPIC knew where his team was in others reads and why.
Shows he as team player.
Tutuu villagery again (i didn't want to show how villagery she was, but that was what i found)

Spoiler: show

i just checked post count jjj is 1st in 2nd bo is 3rd. i need to townclear bo based off volume

so we got some problems guys our poe was rly bad and its still not good i think

How on earth did bo manage to get in the top 3

tutuu completely dodged the question when i asked her to clarify the reasons why she townread me, even though she knew i was suspicious about her read on me. i feel like tutuu as a wolf would be more likely to come up w/some fake reason instead of just going "i'm not telling!"

she is either doing a way over the top "why would mafia do that" act or is just town

probably just town at this point idk

I am weighing this. But I cannot shake the feeling that I just don't believe that tutuu sounds authentic in many of her posts.

I am not confident either way really

One thing I thought of is that she hasn't sounded frustrated at any point despite many accusations. Last time I towned with her in Shadow Corridors she was snappy and sounded noticeably annoyed when she was widely suspected early on.

Obviously that's just one game and it was awhile ago so not sure if this is a big or consistent meta thing for her but maybe others know more?

tutuu was pretty snappy when she was scum read in GoC. I was scared

Almost double posted again, but i saw at preview that i already posted it, only the forum didn't refresh my page.

Tl;dr Esooa has bigger partner equity in JPICs Iso from what i read until now.

I'll keep searching

[Hally]

michelle i’ll vote whoever you tell me because you’ve been putting in a ton of work and i want you to get the outcome you want, whatever that is

[Strawhenge]

Question : @Strawhenge if you didn't play with a miller role before, how come you claimed miller in your defence for my peek, instead explaining with your words what your role says?

This is what i remember, i didn't reread, but is a thing that bothers me since yday and i forgot to ask

Hey, sorry, was another busy day yesterday.

I actually didn't even remember that such a role was called a 'miller' until Hally used the term in response to my claim. Here's my claim post. My rolecard doesn't use the word 'miller', but uses the phrase I used in that post: 'investigates as [Guilty]'.

[Hally]

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

[Michelle]

Hi, i am back.
Thanks for your trust Hally

[Michelle]

I searched Esooa in Bo's Iso and it found few posts, spoilering all for phone posters.
Few posts from Esooa shows partner equity with Bo too

Spoiler: show

Falcon

JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
Alison
Tutuu

Fingersplints
Nanook
Esooa
KZA
MacDougall
Dom
Marmot
Long Con
JPIC
Tedextr
Michelle
Al Sama

TSP
Strawhenge
SPF

Odd

If JPIC is in the middle the most logical spot for his other mate is in town reads i think.

Tutuu
JaggedJimmyJay
Falcon
MacDougall
Nanook
JPIC
Strawhenge
Esooa

Alison
TSP
Odd
Fingersplints

Dom

Michelle
Tedextr
Long Con
Sloonei
Staypositivefriend
Marmot

BoKnows
Al Sama
KZA

orange is null but painted as a scummy color to motivate ppl to towntell more

Why though?

ummm ill be honest i kinda forgot why i scumread u but i remembe someone quoting something and bolding one of ur sentences and saying they think its a scummy sentence - it was eso or nook or falcon and the sentence was u describing me as calm cool collected and stuff

there was a reason before that i swear but god knows what it was

yeah that was esooa. she said something like that's something mafia would say or something.

Esooa said Bo posted what mafia would say. After a while, i quoted below, she said Bo is the towniest itt.
I see them like parteners

BK, AL, ted, KZA PoE

Thoughts on this PoE anyone?

Original scum Poe putting themselves in it.
This 'poe' is in fact the Poe of other players, not his own.
Idk why I quoted it, is irrelevant.

literally none of tutuus reads feel real to me and they're both static but extremely volatile, idk how but I don't like that either

I'm beginning to feel the same way. Also of thought/explanations isn't very comforting.

Here Bo and Esooa were supporting each other

Man, I just went through Oddmerta's ISO and I am just not seeing the case for him being a frontrunner in the poll. Maybe his voters can go into it a little more? @tedxtr went into it a little [url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 22#p760922] here, but I'm not convinced. I'm not even sure how to parse the sentence, 'he has trouble finding an actual tunnel for genuine reasons'.

@BoKnows and @Long Con, what's your pitch on Oddmerta?

Didn't like my interaction with him. Didn't like how he had no reason behind his reads. During our interaction, it felt like he was riding that "I can't be touched" wave and wasn't being super responsive.

I don't think Straw is partner with Bo, usually this kind of questions are addressed by scum to townies, and by town to everyone they feel to

Names in tiers ordered alphabetically:

Strong town reads -- if there's a mafioso in this pile, they're truly "deep"

Esooa
falcon45ca
MacDougall
Sloonei
Strawhenge

Lesser town reads -- if there's a mafioso in this pile, I'm not sure they're really in a strong winning position so it's not an emergency

Alison
fingersplints
Oddmerta
SPF

Lesser lesser town reads -- if there's a mafioso in this pile, they probably don't feel comfortable and they shouldn't

Michelle
tutuu
Nanook

Current POE pool of nine

AL_sama
BoKnows
Dom
JPIC
KZA
Long Con
Marmot
tedxtr
TSP

Can you expand your thoughts on Odd, and Straw please?

I wanted to repost Jay's reads here. Both Esooa and Straw in townies

Can you expand your thoughts on Odd, and Straw please?

My read on Oddmerta is a bit of a product of my other reads. A lot of my town reads have to be wrong about Oddmerta for him to be mafia, and I don't think he's that suspicious myself anyway. If one of my town reads that has vouched for Oddmerta ends up mafia, perhaps that'll be something to revisit later. For now I'm fine with him.

Strawhenge is probably the easiest read on the board for me. His posts radiate the purity of a player returning after five years away from Mafia with a town role card, uncertainty about how to get into business, and an admirable motor to do it anyway.

I'm a huge fan of the Odd reasoning tbh. It reminds me of synthetic CDOs. You're betting (reading) on other peoples reads and hoping it all falls in place. Is there anything in Odds content that makes you believe he's town?

I do agree with this. I also think if Straw randed wolf in his first game back in five years he would be playing a little more conservative and not sticking out his neck like he did earlier today.

Jay explained his read on Straw in an enthusiastic way, Bo had nothing to say except agreement

<snip>
NOT A HUGE FAN

@everyone: tutuu is mafia.

Agree or disagree?

My feeling on her has been flipping back and forth today. Right now I'm going to say no. Mainly because she's coming across as care free and is going with the flow. It's frustrating trying to get information out of her which I don't like though.

Flipping the read on a mate who is in the Poe is very dangerous for scum, i think his change in reading tutuu proove again they aren't partners

@everyone: tutuu is mafia.

Agree or disagree?

My feeling on her has been flipping back and forth today. Right now I'm going to say no. Mainly because she's coming across as care free and is going with the flow. It's frustrating trying to get information out of her which I don't like though.

"carefree" is tutuu's M.O., but I've felt a few times like she's straining to pull that off this game. I'm not totally sure I see her "going with the flow" though. What do you mean when you say that she's doing that?

So care free is her meta no matter alignment? By going with the flow I mean she's reacting what's around her, and not getting hung up on stuff, and interacts with everyone who's present in the thread at the same time with her.

so you are most confident in your town reads...

You don't like the current progression of the game though?

I don't know what that means at all

I don't know how to dumb it down.

Tutuu is noticed as carefree, which is town meta, more than scum meta

@BoKnows do you prefer town or mafia

Town less stress

Lol

@everyone: tutuu is mafia.

Agree or disagree?

you could ahve left out the second line

Indirect push for tutuu, this is wolfy

I'm tempted to replace Bo with tutuu in my POE pool.

this is becoming absurd.

sloonei jjj w/w planning mindmelds in wolf chat for memes /s

Esooa was defending Bo

I think BK is so towny I have literally 0% problem basing todays lynch on who had the poorest reasons for pushing him earlier

Bo so townie.. I read his Iso and noticed it wasn't like this

I think BK is so towny I have literally 0% problem basing todays lynch on who had the poorest reasons for pushing him earlier

Who had the poorest reasons for pushing him earlier?

I know straw sussed me
tutuu sussed me
I think there are a couple of others but I'm drawing blanks

jpic has been on my case for a while too

Bo knows well he is the subject of bussing from JPIC
Straw and tutuu are sussing him, but JPIC has a case.

Idk what to do more, from my perspective, Esooa looks bad as entire game presence, with short and careless posts, supporting Bo in his narrative/push against tutuu, with partner equity with JPIC, reacting at my check by accusing me of lying but in the same time lying i hammered Odd.
Of course this is not a perfect science and i hope from al my heart that i am right.
I was not pleased with just trusting my peek.

Tutuu has non partner-y interactions and reads with both flipped Gerhard mafia. If they are mafia i am not ashamed to loose to such play.

For Straw talks very convincing Jay in the post i quoted above and i found it in Bo's Iso. His claim is plausible.

I am the town cop, paranoid and playing bad all game, but i put all my heart in solving. I hope my solve is correct and we only have one scum left in Esooa.

If i am wrong, at least i tried.

I am sorry i pushed Alison so bad, i didn't trust her, and it will be very hard for me to trust her until i'll find that 'je ne sais quoi' in her tone and vibe to understand her alignament.

[Michelle]

I am alone here

[Hally]

im here

if you think it’s esooa i’ll vote with you

#inmichellewetrust

[Hally]

glgl

[Hally]

oh we have 30 min

[Esooa]

I take 0% responsibility for multiple townies deciding to game throw f3 and f4 btw