The Fall of Númenor - Game Over!

[Wiml]

Yeah falcon throwing shade for too many townreads is what made me rescind my initial townread there.

I might look through the games Esooa linked and try to get some thoughts on that before EoD.

[Marmot]

Deli, I might have missed it but I'm interested in your read on Marmot! Would you mind explaining it some more?

Basically Marmot isn’t pinging me at all, they seem game solving and their reads list lacked agenda vibes. Maybe I’m biased because they had me at the top of their list and their avatar is cute— if I’m wrong that’s going to be my excuse and it can’t really be helped

:3

[falcon45ca]

Yeah, but I'm town.



It's ok, I'm an easy push this game and I'm ok with it. Just look at who pushes me and why. Looking at things right now, I'd say Marmot is looking the most oppurtunistic.

[Marmot]

Yeah, but I'm town.



It's ok, I'm an easy push this game and I'm ok with it. Just look at who pushes me and why. Looking at things right now, I'd say Marmot is looking the most oppurtunistic.

What about my push is opportunistic?

[Wiml]

Yeah ok.

So I read through all three of falcon's ISOs here and yeah everything Esooa has said is pretty much spot on? The only attempt at solving I see in falcon's wolf game was to try to spew a partner town in order to set them up deep (and that seems to be only after falcon was pressured). Compare that to the town game where they came in and were immediately wolf hunting.

Falcon could you share with me your reads at the moment please?

[falcon45ca]

Finally read his ISO and I agree.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

On one hand Falcon has spent numerous posts telling people he's town. Specifically, 12 of his 27 posts have included some allusion to his own alignment.

On the other hand, he threw shade at both Creature and hollowbutt for "having too many townreads".

oh yeah,

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine mafia

You like Mac's reads, and they make sense...he has me as Town, how does this figure into your voting?

do you have anything else to say?

On the subject of you scum leaning me? Not at the moment

This particular interaction with esooa looks like he's trying to have a little fun. He hints that Mac's townread of him doesn't make sense. Esooa responds with a good question, to which falcon just falls kinda flat.

Esooa clarified it later, what she was asking, to which falcon made his statement about Creature.

no about literally anything in the thread

Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list

no about literally anything in the thread

Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list

Am I wrong on one of my them?

Maybe? I don't know, I was only told my alignment

Do you disagree on any of them?

I currently feel fairly good about the ones I listed and having a list of players you don't want to lynch is optimal here, even if you end up needing to reevaluate them later.

I don't have enough info to say at the moment. Nobody in your list immediately stood out to me, I'm just a lot more suspicious than trusting early in the game

The thing is, I don't think falcon is that suspicious. I went back and read AIM Mafia (falcon's last town game), and falcon had four townreads before he had any semblance of a scumread.


His arguments are half-hearted, and he's quickly lost interest in them when put under pressure. He's spent more time discussing his own alignment than other people's alignments. This looks like a wolf.

This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.

[falcon45ca]

Yeah ok.

So I read through all three of falcon's ISOs here and yeah everything Esooa has said is pretty much spot on? The only attempt at solving I see in falcon's wolf game was to try to spew a partner town in order to set them up deep (and that seems to be only after falcon was pressured). Compare that to the town game where they came in and were immediately wolf hunting.

Falcon could you share with me your reads at the moment please?

Just reading the last page, Marmot stood out to me, as well as HK. With HK, his post re: me felt like a wolf trying to distance a bit from a mislynch

[hollowkatt]

Yeah ok.

So I read through all three of falcon's ISOs here and yeah everything Esooa has said is pretty much spot on? The only attempt at solving I see in falcon's wolf game was to try to spew a partner town in order to set them up deep (and that seems to be only after falcon was pressured). Compare that to the town game where they came in and were immediately wolf hunting.

Falcon could you share with me your reads at the moment please?

Just reading the last page, Marmot stood out to me, as well as HK. With HK, his post re: me felt like a wolf trying to distance a bit from a mislynch

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine lol no

[Esooa]

I'm still fine going igno because I think they're just as likely mafia and falcons resignation is weird, though it's entirely possible he's just burnt out of playing woof since he recently was in Elder scrolls and wolfing in bigger games like that can suck.

either one is good and I'm probably never voting anyone that's not them this day phase

I think Kami is fine but people thought I was town reading her rather. It was very light, so no not really

creatures towny still. I think his posts are good and I actually think it's funny he says it would be easy to wolf in a post cap game because imo it's hard, which he'd know if he was wolfing? maybe. Probably a useless read

I think gavial is pretty towny. I think the things he's posting show pretty easily he's thinking about the game

I don't think syn is town at all. I'd probably vote him after falcon/igno unless he does something

[falcon45ca]

@Esooa is Kami mafia?

RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read

Kami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment ime

Besides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?

i'm almost at the point with hollow that like nah, idk that a wolf comes in and does that-- not going to clear them for being inconsistent but Idt it would make sense for hollow to be w/w is falcon and I'd rather flip falcon first.



Villa
Deli

Villa lean
wiml
marmot
igno?

Not clearing(hopefully not more than 1 wolf in here)
Mac
Esooa
Kami
Hollow
Creature

Lunch here(three wolves-- one time?!)
gavial
nanook
falcon


tbh tho it's early and this list could be very good or very bad or neither :O

Tbh, your scumreads consist of standard Syndicate LHF and people that are easy to fake a scumread on, so that alone makes me disagree.

Fair enough, this is my first time playing with many of you and these are the people pinging me the hardest. Syn also wolfy but nonmemorable and I forgot them on here. Happy for you to explain why any of my wolf reads are aren’t wolfy this game, and why these ppl are lhf

NA nook hasn’t made cases or anything substance, seems kinda frozen and trolly, if I’m wrong about one it is probably this slot
Gavial is over explainy, seems like they’re nitpicking
Falcon has wolfy posts and I didn’t think reacted well to being pushed, reads seemed fake

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

If that doesn’t work I swear to god I’m going to flip a fucking table

Thats where I’m voting for now, will not vote for wiml or igno today. Hope igno plans on posting more before EoD

Ok sleep now hopefully

Feels weird, why so frustrated? It's D1

[Esooa]

I don't understand quite how falcon thinks both that Marmot "carrying my flag" ie getting very involved in his chop is scummy at the same time as HK avoiding involvement is scummy

[falcon45ca]

I don't understand quite how falcon thinks both that Marmot "carrying my flag" ie getting very involved in his chop is scummy at the same time as HK avoiding involvement is scummy

I know, right? Weird

[hollowkatt]

sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...

[falcon45ca]

sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...

Haha, that struck a nerve, eh?

[hollowkatt]

sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...

Haha, that struck a nerve, eh?

no, I'm calling you out on it

[falcon45ca]

sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...

Haha, that struck a nerve, eh?

no, I'm calling you out on it

What if I'm just town tho? Have you considered that?

[Urist]

Vote Count 1.4

ignoramus (3) - Wiml, MacDougall, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
falcon45ca (3) - Esooa, Marmot, hollowkatt
Wiml (2) - Syn, Creature
Deli (1) - falcon45ca
Syn (1) - Gavial
Creature (1) - Deli
hollowkatt (1) - Kami

Not Voting (1) - ignoramus



Current Post Counts

Esooa - 47
Wiml - 43
Deli - 42
MacDougall - 41
hollowkatt - 38
Creature - 37
Gavial - 34
falcon45ca - 34
Kami - 25
Syn - 23
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 19
Marmot - 18
ignoramus - 8

[hollowkatt]

sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...

Haha, that struck a nerve, eh?

no, I'm calling you out on it

What if I'm just town tho? Have you considered that?

I have, and decided I don't think you are

[Wiml]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Yeah I'm fine with this now.

[Deli]

RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read

Kami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment ime

Besides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?

i'm almost at the point with hollow that like nah, idk that a wolf comes in and does that-- not going to clear them for being inconsistent but Idt it would make sense for hollow to be w/w is falcon and I'd rather flip falcon first.



Villa
Deli

Villa lean
wiml
marmot
igno?

Not clearing(hopefully not more than 1 wolf in here)
Mac
Esooa
Kami
Hollow
Creature

Lunch here(three wolves-- one time?!)
gavial
nanook
falcon


tbh tho it's early and this list could be very good or very bad or neither :O

Tbh, your scumreads consist of standard Syndicate LHF and people that are easy to fake a scumread on, so that alone makes me disagree.

Fair enough, this is my first time playing with many of you and these are the people pinging me the hardest. Syn also wolfy but nonmemorable and I forgot them on here. Happy for you to explain why any of my wolf reads are aren’t wolfy this game, and why these ppl are lhf

NA nook hasn’t made cases or anything substance, seems kinda frozen and trolly, if I’m wrong about one it is probably this slot
Gavial is over explainy, seems like they’re nitpicking
Falcon has wolfy posts and I didn’t think reacted well to being pushed, reads seemed fake

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

If that doesn’t work I swear to god I’m going to flip a fucking table

Thats where I’m voting for now, will not vote for wiml or igno today. Hope igno plans on posting more before EoD

Ok sleep now hopefully

Feels weird, why so frustrated? It's D1

You probably missed the context of me not being able to do the vote code correctly lol

[Gavial]

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 106&t=2074

this is a scum game I had with him. Notice his opening is claiming town

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... a&start=50

this is 1984 where he was town. His opening isn't claiming town. It's finding mafia. He says creature is mafia immediately, votes him in his second post, then calls crichard scum in his third.

he doesn't care about finding mafia this game. He is trying to look town.

Also note that in Elder scrolls, where falcon was mafia, his first post was claiming town, like this game

Oh shit I thought that was his town tell.
Now that I know it’s NAI I’m second guessing on Falcon.

[Gavial]

As much as I really do think it’s just Igno/Syn, I remember this here -) “If there is a tie at deadline, nobody dies.“
And I don’t want to tie it up on Igno.
I suppose I’ll wait a little bit more but if Falcon is still the leading wagon then I’ll vote there but I’d still like to vote Igno over Falcon.

[Marmot]

This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.

I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.

It took me only 22 seconds too.



There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.

[falcon45ca]

I don't have a town tell or maf tell based off my 1st post. I guarantee you can find games where I've been town and said so in my 1st post. That's not a good reason to scum read me

[Wiml]

My current 3/3 guess is actually the same as what I think Esooa's is (Falcon/igno/Syn with the last slot being tentative because Syn has just been Syn indicative all game but his voting has been awful) but that makes me feel a better about her too because I remember having very similar reads to her in the last game we played.

[Marmot]

You're probably aware esooa, but you only have 3 posts left. Wiml, Deli, and Mac are fewer than 10 away from cap as well.

[falcon45ca]

This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.

I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.

It took me only 22 seconds too.



There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.

Sure, I agree with that. They also can be ways for wolves to push wagons, no?


Like I've said, if I'm mislynched, it is what it is. I only ask town to look at my wagon, cuz I can guarantee you it'd not all town

[Gavial]

You're probably aware esooa, but you only have 3 posts left. Wiml, Deli, and Mac are fewer than 10 away from cap as well.

Haha Suckers!
This is my 37’th Post!

[Marmot]

Syn can be mafia too. I don't see a reason to TR him (and I'd love to hear why Mac does).

[Marmot]

This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.

I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.

It took me only 22 seconds too.



There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.

Sure, I agree with that. They also can be ways for wolves to push wagons, no?


Like I've said, if I'm mislynched, it is what it is. I only ask town to look at my wagon, cuz I can guarantee you it'd not all town

They can be. Do you think that's what I'm doing?

[Gavial]

This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.

I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.

It took me only 22 seconds too.



There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.

Probably still haven’t ISO’ed me because you like me too much!

[Marmot]

Pretty confident townreads

hollowkatt
Esooa
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Moderately confident townreads

falcon45ca
Syn

Not sure, kinda towny maybe

Creature
Gavial
Kami

Kinda scummy but I have a sense I might be reading these people wrong

Marmot
Deli

Just wolfy

Wiml
ignoramus

This is midway through Day 1, but falcon and Syn don't belong this high up.

[Gavial]

Syn can be mafia too. I don't see a reason to TR him (and I'd love to hear why Mac does).

CFD Syn with me?

[Gavial]

This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.

I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.

It took me only 22 seconds too.



There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.

Sure, I agree with that. They also can be ways for wolves to push wagons, no?


Like I've said, if I'm mislynched, it is what it is. I only ask town to look at my wagon, cuz I can guarantee you it'd not all town

Yeah kidding? Your wagon is fuckin pure!

[Marmot]

Syn can be mafia too. I don't see a reason to TR him (and I'd love to hear why Mac does).

CFD Syn with me?

I'd consider it, but I feel better about chopping falcon atm.

[Deli]

You're probably aware esooa, but you only have 3 posts left. Wiml, Deli, and Mac are fewer than 10 away from cap as well.

Haha Suckers!
This is my 37’th Post!

Sorry um why are people town reading this slot? Lmao weird post

[Wiml]

You're probably aware esooa, but you only have 3 posts left. Wiml, Deli, and Mac are fewer than 10 away from cap as well.

Haha Suckers!
This is my 37’th Post!

Sorry um why are people town reading this slot? Lmao weird post

Please spare us from having me write another wall!

[Deli]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I’m happy to go falcon, can we just make sure we are not tie-ing up the wagons? Like someone move from igno please

[Wiml]

Worth noting: both igno and falcon are currently off-wagon.

Obviously something to be pointed out that falcon in particular hasn't self pressed yet but be careful of one of the two coming in and trying the vote as a self preservation vote.

[falcon45ca]

Worth noting: both igno and falcon are currently off-wagon.

Obviously something to be pointed out that falcon in particular hasn't self pressed yet but be careful of one of the two coming in and trying the vote as a self preservation vote.

I will not tie the vote

[Marmot]

Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.


Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.

Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial

[falcon45ca]

This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.

I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.

It took me only 22 seconds too.



There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.

Sure, I agree with that. They also can be ways for wolves to push wagons, no?


Like I've said, if I'm mislynched, it is what it is. I only ask town to look at my wagon, cuz I can guarantee you it'd not all town

They can be. Do you think that's what I'm doing?

I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised

[falcon45ca]

Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.


Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.

Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial

Who's scum if I'm town?

[Gavial]

Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.


Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.

Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial

Honestly the main reason I had TRing Falcon is no longer existent.

[Deli]

Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.


Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.

Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial

Who's scum if I'm town?

Towny post

Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.


Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.

Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial

Honestly the main reason I had TRing Falcon is no longer existent.

Wolfy post


Interesting

[Gavial]

Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.


Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.

Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial

Who's scum if I'm town?

Towny post

Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.


Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.

Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial

Honestly the main reason I had TRing Falcon is no longer existent.

Wolfy post


Interesting

Clearly you haven’t been reading as i started I initially TR Falcon because I thought him saying he was town constantly was a town tell but didn’t realize it was NAI.

[hollowkatt]

gth gavial is town

[Esooa]

I'm not sure if doing it constantly might be towny. In his two previous scum games he wasn't actually around EoD/didn't fight his chop at that time at least. I'm not sure if that's just not being in thread or he didn't want to. I think it's interesting this game where he's playing even less energetically than from his other games is when he's here EoD trying to not die. It's making me consider going igno at least

[Marmot]

Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.


Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.

Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial

Who's scum if I'm town?

Stop it with that question!!!!!

I don't really have an answer for that atm. Esooa is probably still town. HK is probably still town. Igno and Syn could still be scum. This is without giving it a lot of thought though.

[Marmot]

I'm not sure if doing it constantly might be towny. In his two previous scum games he wasn't actually around EoD/didn't fight his chop at that time at least. I'm not sure if that's just not being in thread or he didn't want to. I think it's interesting this game where he's playing even less energetically than from his other games is when he's here EoD trying to not die. It's making me consider going igno at least

I can attest that in Elder Scrolls, he wasn't in scumchat either, and I believe was at work all day, the day he was yeeted.

He'd left his vote parked on me, his teammate, who was a competing wagon lol.