Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[Transcend]

dang mac's pg 18 is towny

ugh this game is so hard

^ and before you call this performative i'm 100% sure you agree with me ^

[Transcend]

i always townread drunkposting though

[Transcend]

yeah okay i don't want to vote him anymore

[EnderWiggin]

With the way this game is going honestly, I feel like we'll get a mafia flip at EOD. Got some nice confidence this game.

Honestly don't think so. But we'll see.

rq why did u vote lime w/ me for a lil bit

i thought he was going to resolve himself for u...

Because pressuring people to inspire them to give me a read on them faster is fun.

[Transcend]

With the way this game is going honestly, I feel like we'll get a mafia flip at EOD. Got some nice confidence this game.

Honestly don't think so. But we'll see.

rq why did u vote lime w/ me for a lil bit

i thought he was going to resolve himself for u...

Because pressuring people to inspire them to give me a read on them faster is fun.

why did u pressure him if he's resolvable

[EnderWiggin]

READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

talk me through ender?

i like his content but not enough for me to say hes top 3 in towniness

It's because I have this green colour under the fur. It's all wool, trust me.

[Transcend]

I am only ever mafia in this game with nanook

this post is scummy tho

[EnderWiggin]

dang mac's pg 18 is towny

ugh this game is so hard

^ and before you call this performative i'm 100% sure you agree with me ^

I don't agree with you.

Checkmate atheist.

[EnderWiggin]

i always townread drunkposting though

Don't.

[EnderWiggin]

With the way this game is going honestly, I feel like we'll get a mafia flip at EOD. Got some nice confidence this game.

Honestly don't think so. But we'll see.

rq why did u vote lime w/ me for a lil bit

i thought he was going to resolve himself for u...

Because pressuring people to inspire them to give me a read on them faster is fun.

why did u pressure him if he's resolvable

Because I could resolve him Day 1, and did?

I don't get what's bad about progress.

[MacDougall]

I have decided the wolves are alison and esooa

[Transcend]

With the way this game is going honestly, I feel like we'll get a mafia flip at EOD. Got some nice confidence this game.

Honestly don't think so. But we'll see.

rq why did u vote lime w/ me for a lil bit

i thought he was going to resolve himself for u...

Because pressuring people to inspire them to give me a read on them faster is fun.

why did u pressure him if he's resolvable

Because I could resolve him Day 1, and did?

I don't get what's bad about progress.

nothing

it just defies how u were gonna treat him before

i guess it's also kinda sus because i was voting there too and now i think i'm wrong

[MacDougall]

dang mac's pg 18 is towny

ugh this game is so hard

^ and before you call this performative i'm 100% sure you agree with me ^

I don't agree with you.

Checkmate atheist.

You are doing so well. Keep it up old chum.

[Transcend]

i always townread drunkposting though

Don't.

i can't help it, it's my kryptonite

to win against town!trans just drown urself in alcohol and i'll tr u the whole game lmfao

[EnderWiggin]

With the way this game is going honestly, I feel like we'll get a mafia flip at EOD. Got some nice confidence this game.

Honestly don't think so. But we'll see.

rq why did u vote lime w/ me for a lil bit

i thought he was going to resolve himself for u...

Because pressuring people to inspire them to give me a read on them faster is fun.

why did u pressure him if he's resolvable

Because I could resolve him Day 1, and did?

I don't get what's bad about progress.

nothing

it just defies how u were gonna treat him before

i guess it's also kinda sus because i was voting there too and now i think i'm wrong

I am an endless contridiction.

[Transcend]

Fwiw I do think someone in nanooks situation could have seen my slot as an easy push as scum and that’s why his vote is on me. I’m a dude with no avatar, no posts on this account, someone he probably (?) hasn’t heard of and the only people that knew me here were voting me at the time of his vote. It feels like an easy/low-risk play on his part. Especially since his justification was that “he supports alexa”. Which is fine and all, but the way he tacked his vote on felt like he did it without evaluating whether or not my read on alexa was coming from a genuine place to begin with.

solid thought and maybe ur right

but i'd feel horribly bad if we voted him out and he was town with a correct read on me

[EnderWiggin]

I have decided the wolves are alison and esooa

Gimme what happened that changed your mind.

[ilario]

Yeah I think wiml is just town here and this has nothing to do with the fact that he trs me. I think he would tr me regardless of his alignment this game. From reading his wolf games wiml responds poorly to pressure and people may disagree with me on this but I think he’s handled being in the poe in a towny way this game. He isn’t overly bothered by it, and his primary focus has been on game solving/interacting as opposed to trying to push himself out of the poe.

[EnderWiggin]

dang mac's pg 18 is towny

ugh this game is so hard

^ and before you call this performative i'm 100% sure you agree with me ^

I don't agree with you.

Checkmate atheist.

You are doing so well. Keep it up old chum.

God, distancing is so hard.

[EnderWiggin]

Yeah I think wiml is just town here and this has nothing to do with the fact that he trs me. I think he would tr me regardless of his alignment this game. From reading his wolf games wiml responds poorly to pressure and people may disagree with me on this but I think he’s handled being in the poe in a towny way this game. He isn’t overly bothered by it, and his primary focus has been on game solving/interacting as opposed to trying to push himself out of the poe.

Can I point you to all his defensive posts on me when I POE'd him or do I have to provide a map?

[Transcend]

is scum!ender snarky and sarcastic?

[Alison]

my main concern is when I've towned again wolf Matt I legitimately considered him outed within a few hours

this game he's wolfy but I don't feel the same

if transcend flips town we have basically nothing as so many people are following consensus

and i'm doing my damndest to make sure my flip doesn't happen cause y'all are gonna be hurting from it

there's no way to tell who were wolves being opportunistic and who was town that just badly misread me

This is performative and useless.

[Transcend]

i kinda tr all the sass but i feel it's ez to mimic if maf

[Alison]

Transcend what do you think makes you town this game? Why should I town read you

cause i'm actually trying to get out of this mess instead of antispewing the moment i get heat and setting up partners for success

Not convinced you're not doing the latter.

Also not convinced that you'd just roll over and die as mafia.

[ilario]

LMAOOO @alexa literally calls wiml town on the exact same page I had that thought #1834

[Transcend]

my main concern is when I've towned again wolf Matt I legitimately considered him outed within a few hours

this game he's wolfy but I don't feel the same

if transcend flips town we have basically nothing as so many people are following consensus

and i'm doing my damndest to make sure my flip doesn't happen cause y'all are gonna be hurting from it

there's no way to tell who were wolves being opportunistic and who was town that just badly misread me

This is performative and useless.

ur tunneled

but it's fine we're gonna get u out

[Alison]

top 5 --> [ilario, Lime Coke, Wiml, Esooa, Alison]
bottom 5 --> [Ender, Mac, TSP, Nanook, Transcend]

if that wasn't obv

Do you think it’s a coincidence that for the most part you townread people you’ve played with more

this is probably town

reasonable post

Why? I don't think TSP's post was townie at all.

[ilario]

Yeah I think wiml is just town here and this has nothing to do with the fact that he trs me. I think he would tr me regardless of his alignment this game. From reading his wolf games wiml responds poorly to pressure and people may disagree with me on this but I think he’s handled being in the poe in a towny way this game. He isn’t overly bothered by it, and his primary focus has been on game solving/interacting as opposed to trying to push himself out of the poe.

Can I point you to all his defensive posts on me when I POE'd him or do I have to provide a map?

It would help if u gave a map tbh cos I don’t remember noticing it

[Alison]

ur tunneled

but it's fine we're gonna get u out

Tell me what about that post was not performative and useless.

It makes a big show of emphasizing how bad your flip will be for town. It vaguely alludes to scum being on your wagon, but actively refuses to specify who.

[Transcend]

ur tunneled

but it's fine we're gonna get u out

Tell me what about that post was not performative and useless.

It makes a big show of emphasizing how bad your flip will be for town. It vaguely alludes to scum being on your wagon, but actively refuses to specify who.

i'm going through the thread as we speak and i'm re-evaluating everything

[Alison]

your engagement with me is super super towny and i'm unot treating your tr on me as tmi cause you are actually REALLY good at reading me

tony just seems like an archetype townie. he's not really controlling the narrative which scum SHOULD do, and he's outed thoughts here and there that look villagery.

1) Scum are coasting to a free misexe on a villager that is being consensus scumread.

2) Scum are compelled to actively seek to control the narrative D1.

Choose one. When I am wolf and the whole town is dogpiling a villager I don't feel any need to control anything. I just sit back, eat chips and watch the village burn.

[Alison]

Mac is definitely wolf but it's probably GTO to give him a day pass. He knows this and is gloating.

in a world mac is scum, alison probably just busses

the alison/ilario engagement still looks V/V to me.

You think if I rolled scum with Mac in a 9v2 setup I'd bus him instead of powerwolfing?

[Alison]

Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

i'd say brad is town for this reads list unless exactly his partner is in there because there's some lhfs in there and i feel like he would just put the hhf (if that's not a term it is now) in his towncore

This post is slightly townie.

[Alison]

With the way this game is going honestly, I feel like we'll get a mafia flip at EOD. Got some nice confidence this game.

Honestly don't think so. But we'll see.

What has you so anxious?

[Alison]

dang mac's pg 18 is towny

ugh this game is so hard

^ and before you call this performative i'm 100% sure you agree with me ^

This game has felt easy for me so far.

[Transcend]

TSP AND ALEXA ARE TOWAN
ESOOA IS TOWAN
ALISON IS TOWAN

WE GETTING CLOSE FAM

this is a p good reads list

[Transcend]

dang mac's pg 18 is towny

ugh this game is so hard

^ and before you call this performative i'm 100% sure you agree with me ^

This game has felt easy for me so far.

that's when u know ur in trouble

[EnderWiggin]

is scum!ender snarky and sarcastic?

Ender is snarky and sarcastic.

[ilario]

Nanook, I had the instant urge to counter what you said because I don't remember you explaining your read on Matt besides volume cleared and because of my ADHD, but I forced myself to spot-check your ISO and I still don't see anything besides this -

I don't really do cases

you don't need to case someone to explain a read

What is there to explain, he has a huge number of posts and enough of them are townie that he's probably just town

Its not a complicated read and tbh idk how it isn't the prevailing thought

having a huge number of posts is completely NAI for him

and which one's of them are incredibly towny?

Idk that any of them are incredibly towny on their own, but there's a bunch that are somewhere between townie and kinda townie, and collectively that's enough for me to call him town

Considering Matt doesn't have volume tells (self-admitted and confirmed by multiple people who know him) I don't see any other reasoning? I don't get why you're just outright ignoring that

I didn't explain it at the time, no. So what? Do you think me saying now "yeah I think trans had a really strong opening" would matter to anyone? Unlikely, given that presumably the people voting him have read his opening and are voting him anyways, yeah? So I presented the part of the read i thought might be more compelling instead. Which hasn't worked, but it at least had a chance to.


Correct, I am ignoring it. Because it isn't a pure volume tell--if you guys say he can make 300 or 400 something posts as mafia, then ok sure maybe he can. Its a volume of townie posts, as I've said previously--he has a significant number of posts i think are kind of townie to pretty townie, so based on that collectively I think he's town. It isn't about one specific post, it isn't about just looking at a post count number, its about a critical mass of posts that I read and think "yeah thats townie" to the point that I just townread him.

He looks to me like he's trying to work with people and getting increasingly annoyed when those people are scumreading him. It seems to me that he's more frustrated at not being able to work with people than at being scumread. I think that's townie.

thats an interesting point because i feel like ive had a very similar reaction, did you get an otherwise impression on me to state that isnt the case?

[EnderWiggin]

With the way this game is going honestly, I feel like we'll get a mafia flip at EOD. Got some nice confidence this game.

Honestly don't think so. But we'll see.

What has you so anxious?

Easy D1 is almost never a wolf, especially in a stacked table. History repeats and all that.

[Transcend]

I want to kill transcend and wiml in any order d1 and d2 personally

this looks bad if i think we're both town

but *shrug*

[Alison]

dang mac's pg 18 is towny

ugh this game is so hard

^ and before you call this performative i'm 100% sure you agree with me ^

This game has felt easy for me so far.

that's when u know ur in trouble

Why?

I have had plenty of town games where the game felt easy, everyone converged on a consensus, and we flipped five mafia in a row.

Coincidentally those happened to be games where there were a lot of strong players. Enough of them rolled town and we just descended on the wolves. The ones that rolled scum were forced to bus. This game seems to suit that archetype, and I have had no discouraging green flips to show me otherwise. If you have a green role card, perhaps you believe the game is in trouble, but until I see that card, I have no reason to believe this.

[Alison]

With the way this game is going honestly, I feel like we'll get a mafia flip at EOD. Got some nice confidence this game.

Honestly don't think so. But we'll see.

What has you so anxious?

Easy D1 is almost never a wolf, especially in a stacked table. History repeats and all that.

Don't be silly. There is no systematic reason for a consensus D1 exe to be a townie much more often than it is a wolf. This is especially true in a 9v2 setup because they have only 1 partner to rescue them from the fire and 9 townies to bury them. I have coasted to D1 wolf exes countless times.

[Transcend]

dang mac's pg 18 is towny

ugh this game is so hard

^ and before you call this performative i'm 100% sure you agree with me ^

This game has felt easy for me so far.

that's when u know ur in trouble

Why?

I have had plenty of town games where the game felt easy, everyone converged on a consensus, and we flipped five mafia in a row.

Coincidentally those happened to be games where there were a lot of strong players. Enough of them rolled town and we just descended on the wolves. The ones that rolled scum were forced to bus. This game seems to suit that archetype, and I have had no discouraging green flips to show me otherwise. If you have a green role card, perhaps you believe the game is in trouble, but until I see that card, I have no reason to believe this.

ok

[Alison]

In case it isn't obvious I disagree with much of what Transcend is saying and doing in his catchup and it has only reinforced my belief that he is scum.

[Transcend]

well with me you're already en route to a ml but if you want to be comfortable i ain't here to stop you

[Transcend]

How do i make an entrance without it being wolfy af

I've been speccing all night since i'm a pos that can't sleep like a normal human being

I said i wouldn't post for 8 hours because i'm already at 200 posts but idrc anymore

Ilario and mac are both town

Wiml is meh.

I really fucking hate that I have all this attention on me but the only ppl that have actually attempted to explain their suspicion on me are alison and alexa.

And yes I scum read brad. I'm challenging the thread on that. I don't give a fuck. He's not tt for shit yet and I'm actively pursuing this read until he gives me a reason to believe he's not in his scum range.

do you consider yourself a good Mafioso?

Yeah

do you think this post you just made is scummy looking?

Yeah

[VOTE: transcend] aubergine

idk this vote feels kinda opportunistic

[Alison]

Why don't you continue with your reread instead of constantly repeating that you are a misexe? The more you do it, the more I scumread you. Helps nobody and is extremely manipulative in the way it attempts to both push an emotional narrative ("I'm being bullied by these complacent townies") and preys on the paranoia of people like Ender.

[EnderWiggin]

With the way this game is going honestly, I feel like we'll get a mafia flip at EOD. Got some nice confidence this game.

Honestly don't think so. But we'll see.

What has you so anxious?

Easy D1 is almost never a wolf, especially in a stacked table. History repeats and all that.

Don't be silly. There is no systematic reason for a consensus D1 exe to be a townie much more often than it is a wolf. This is especially true in a 9v2 setup because they have only 1 partner to rescue them from the fire and 9 townies to bury them. I have coasted to D1 wolf exes countless times.

I've had a lot of different experiences but eh. Also might be my memory cherry-picking the times it went wrong.

[ilario]

mac is slowly becoming my top tr lol

yah it seems like all the "1p players" rolled town. i wonder if the game really is as easy as nanook + x

Why is Mac town?

His quote about him playing like a nutcase so he doesn’t get n1d. That in itself isn’t a thought that’s hard to fake but then he carries on that thought by mentioning something about u and esooa dieing n1/n2 which made me feel like it was a real thought that came about and not just something as simple as “hurrr watch me get nightkilled lols”

It’s a progression I’m pretty sure I’ve said a bunch as town but never once thought to fake as scum, since most people find that kinda stuff NAI anyways so I wouldn’t ever bother faking that.

Well within his scum range.

@Alison @Esooa

How much experience do you both have with wolf!mac? It seems like ur both the best readers of him and the two he fears the most in here, are you both confident he’s well within scumrange?

What are ur current stances on him rn, town/null/scum?

If I miscleared someone he’s probably it, and I have another reason to ask this but I’ll get to it later closer to eod