Fortune of Lies [Gameover Mafia Win)

[LinearPoint]

I mean Sig and NAA are also dodging claiming, so I can't force you to.
But since you are here what are your thoughts on Michelle, Paopan, and Ruri right now?

[Marmot]

I mean Sig and NAA are also dodging claiming, so I can't force you to.
But since you are here what are your thoughts on Michelle, Paopan, and Ruri right now?

Not a clue, haven't read back yet.

My main goal was to put together a claim list and organize info. Has that been done yet?

Otherwise I'll focus on reading the thread and players.

[Marmot]

Well, I guess for the second option, I will focus more on ISOs then just reading the thread front to back.

[LinearPoint]

Yeah I can throw together a claim list real quick.

[Marmot]

Thanks

[Marmot]

I mean Sig and NAA are also dodging claiming, so I can't force you to.
But since you are here what are your thoughts on Michelle, Paopan, and Ruri right now?

I had an initial Day 1 scumread on Michelle, though I don't recall why atm, will look it up.

No thoughts on the others at this moment.

[LinearPoint]

NotAnAxehole - Jester
Ruri - Reliable Giver Cop (They claim to have no idea how their role works so we can only speculate as to what that means)
MafiaMenace - X-Shot Cop (red checked Scotty, has not claimed number of shots just that they are limited)
Jackofhearts2005 - Random Doctor (heals a random player each night)
LinearPoint - Loyal Bodydouble (Bodyguard only the things that are not kills are transferred to me from my target)
Michelle - Insane Cop (red checked Alexa [meaning town])
Marmot - Something that happens D5
Paopan - Lie Detector
sig - No Claim
Alexa - 1-shot Vigilante (Shot Falcon N1)
Son of Anarch - Oracle

Notably the setup says there are only 2 roles with no modifiers.
Currently SoA and Paopan claim no Modifiers when we have 1 role with no modifiers dead.
It's possible the lie is there is more than 2, but it's worth noting that is technically a counterclaim.

I'm willing to bet most people are claiming their real role, it's a matter of figuring out which roles aren't Town.

[Marmot]

Did NAA claim or no? I'm confused.

[LinearPoint]

Well yes and no. They claimed Jester, they've always claimed Jester.
That claim is probably a lie though.

[LinearPoint]

Especially since they seem interested in finding scum and seem to think I'm 3rd party.

[Marmot]

Nope, you're just a wolf NAA

This thunder dome with NAA seems…forced tbh

I don’t see him operating any differently today than yesterday

sticking a pin in this

Well, NAA and Michelle are probably not both Scotty's teammates

[Marmot]

Especially since they seem interested in finding scum and seem to think I'm 3rd party.

Are you third party?

[LinearPoint]

No, he just didn't like that I refuse to believe he is a Jester and took that as a sign I was Survivor.

[LinearPoint]

Which to me implies he was worried I would CC his 3rd Party claim.

[Marmot]

There's supposedly a lie detector, so I'm looking for very specific wording.

[LinearPoint]

Well words were indeed said.

[Marmot]

NotAnAxehole - Jester
Ruri - Reliable Giver Cop (They claim to have no idea how their role works so we can only speculate as to what that means)
MafiaMenace - X-Shot Cop (red checked Scotty, has not claimed number of shots just that they are limited)
Jackofhearts2005 - Random Doctor (heals a random player each night)
LinearPoint - Loyal Bodydouble (Bodyguard only the things that are not kills are transferred to me from my target)
Michelle - Insane Cop (red checked Alexa [meaning town])
Marmot - Something that happens D5
Paopan - Lie Detector
sig - No Claim
Alexa - 1-shot Vigilante (Shot Falcon N1)
Son of Anarch - Oracle

Notably the setup says there are only 2 roles with no modifiers.
Currently SoA and Paopan claim no Modifiers when we have 1 role with no modifiers dead.
It's possible the lie is there is more than 2, but it's worth noting that is technically a counterclaim.

I'm willing to bet most people are claiming their real role, it's a matter of figuring out which roles aren't Town.

NotAnAxehole - Jester
Ruri - Reliable Giver Cop (They claim to have no idea how their role works so we can only speculate as to what that means)
MafiaMenace - X-Shot Cop (red checked Scotty, has not claimed number of shots just that they are limited)
Jackofhearts2005 - Random Doctor (heals a random player each night)
LinearPoint - Loyal Bodydouble (Bodyguard only the things that are not kills are transferred to me from my target)
Michelle - Insane Cop (red checked Alexa [meaning town])
Marmot - Something that happens D5
Paopan - Lie Detector
sig - No Claim
Alexa - 1-shot Vigilante (Shot Falcon N1)
Son of Anarch - Oracle

Notably the setup says there are only 2 roles with no modifiers.
Currently SoA and Paopan claim no Modifiers when we have 1 role with no modifiers dead.
It's possible the lie is there is more than 2, but it's worth noting that is technically a counterclaim.

I'm willing to bet most people are claiming their real role, it's a matter of figuring out which roles aren't Town.

[Marmot]

Well that's a post.

[LinearPoint]

Yes those are words in a post indeed.

[Marmot]

Ruri is posting a lot more this game than I recall them posting in our last game together, where they were town. They had 19 posts by Day 3 (and none between then and their chop on Day 5). Here they have 35 so far.

But they seem mostly confused and has claimed recently. I don't know what their claim means, but I guess they don't either. If not for the claim, I'd slot them as null//mild scumlean, but I'll believe the claim for now.

[Michelle]

I think I just realized something.
Michelle I don't think is Town.
He claimed Insane Cop with no restrictions other than Insane and now Paopan has said he has no role modifiers.
And the fact that Michelle did not even believe his red check on Alexa when Alexa claimed Vigilante.
How does a Cop not see a red check on a Vigilante as certain Mafia? Why just assume it was an insanity check? Then he checks the Mafia kill target as well?

She checks..
Besides this not important detail, I did suspect Alexa before MM claimed his red on Scotty, but I intended to out the check later in the day. The other claim made me realise that Wilgy can say the truth and so I voted Scotty.
Wilgy lied but back then I didn't know it.
I hope this clears your suspicion
I checked Mac because that was the plan.
How do you know Mac was mafia kill target?

[LinearPoint]

Well Mac was the only kill of the night so I'd say Mafia Kill 9 times out of 10.

[Marmot]

Wasn't Wilgy killed?

[LinearPoint]

Wiggly self terminated.
His role was night immune, but he committed suicide because he failed his wincon.

[LinearPoint]

The last line of day start says that he died to his own role plus his Role cannot die at night in the first place.

[Marmot]

Oooh gotcha. Thanks

[Marmot]

Do we have any ideas on what the "Lie" is in the OP?

[Michelle]

Why is it every cop in this game is afraid of using their ability when the Vigilante shot someone night 1.
This feels so backwards from what I would consider normal logic.

What?
I checked Alexa N1

NAA shading me is noted and is scummy. What's about yeeting a jester claim? He hides behind it but he can be mafia imo

[Michelle]

The last line of day start says that he died to his own role plus his Role cannot die at night in the first place.

I see, I didn't think at it
Makes sense now

[Michelle]

At this point I'm more just hoping that they are lying and didn't think that Cop Giver would be a useful role to have early on.
And all I can say to Paopon is if you are not lying, you should probably read the thread in your next games, at least check who is dead.

Do you think Paopan is town?

[Marmot]

Paopon is like... TWTBW

[Marmot]

Oh Michelle is talking about Paopon too

[Marmot]

@Michelle can I get a read on Paopan

[Michelle]

@Michelle can I get a read on Paopan

He can go either way imo

I want to Iso Scotty, i didn't have time until now
Probably I can find some clues there

[Michelle]

pao is lock town though

Why?

what were the wagons? i still struggle with this site

Yeah, this site doesn't have a way to check historical voting, which is rough.

That's the reason I copy pasted the wagons few times in day 1
Iso me and check the spoilers if you want to be useful but you will not do it because it's not in mafia's best interest to do so

[Michelle]

I'm VT, I expect you all to let me carry you this game, always vote with me, never vote anyone other that who I'm voting and we will win this.

Liar

Also your pfp isn’t loading on my phone.

Also hi

Please someone tell me why is not this post early distancing between scum buddies

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

I'm VT, I expect you all to let me carry you this game, always vote with me, never vote anyone other that who I'm voting and we will win this.

Liar

Also your pfp isn’t loading on my phone.

Also hi

Yeah, I am lobbying to have someone generate a new one for me.

Well the “white placard in front of the void” chic is definitely a vibe

I don’t believe you to be VT. Of all the phrases Gav listed, I believe the “one role is useless” to be the one that is a lie.

NAA can be town because why not

That’s the worst tune Ive ever heard

I'm VT, I expect you all to let me carry you this game, always vote with me, never vote anyone other that who I'm voting and we will win this.

Liar

Also your pfp isn’t loading on my phone.

Also hi

Yeah, I am lobbying to have someone generate a new one for me.

Well the “white placard in front of the void” chic is definitely a vibe

I don’t believe you to be VT. Of all the phrases Gav listed, I believe the “one role is useless” to be the one that is a lie.

why though

Why can NAA be town?

Yea it’s purely based on gut, but then again, it is Gavial, so watch the lie actually be ‘There is at least one town’ and I’m about to get clowned

These posts show the same for me, a wolf theatre

[NotAnAxehole]

@LinearPoint if I didn't make you think my claim was BS, I would stand no chance of winning, now would I?

[NotAnAxehole]

Michelle re-read hasn't expanded their world view, hmm.

Marmot is right on most people claiming their real roles. I've been saying this for a while, if all of the investigative roles were town, this game would likely already be curtains. They are not.

[NotAnAxehole]

Paopon is like... TWTBW

I don't know if this is true, but I do think they're town.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Michelle if you haven't changed your mind by tomorrow, I promise to give you a proper thunder-dome. For now I'm assuming you're still just voting me because you don't like me / don't like how I've played this game, I'll have to progress that into a proper scum read (it's been steadily gaining steam in my thoughts) if you don't get something else going here today.

Also, a thunder-dome with you probably increases my chances of winning quite a bit. Let's go (tomorrow).

Deal?

[NotAnAxehole]

Also notes from today: Marmot feels like fake-solving

[NotAnAxehole]

Listen, if I'm not the Jester, Marmot is 3rd Party.

[NotAnAxehole]

Setup
There will be at least 1 Sane Town Cop. - Claimed
There will be at least 1 Insane Town Cop. - Claimed
There will be no Day Vigilante. - Accurate
There will be at least 1 Lie Detector. - Claimed
There will be at least 1 Role that’s pointless. - Probable (Mac)
There will be at least 1 Mafia. - Accurate
There will be at least 1 Third Party. - Accurate
There will be no Post Restriction roles. - Possible (Sig?)
There will be at least 1 Loyal role. - Accurate
There will be no Vanilla roles because they suck. - Probable (Sig?)
There will be only two roles without a modifier. - Unknown
There will be no redirection roles of any kind. - Claimed
There will be at least 8 Town roles. - Accurate
There will be at least 1 role with a day ability. - Accurate
There will only be one of the above that’s a lie.

[Paopan]

I think Ruri and Marmot are same alignment. That's why I want a Ruri lynch. I'm fine also with Marmot cos he's most like have the same alignment as Ruri. Based on my reads.
Also, I think Sig is also a good kill cos I don't him very much linked onto this game. I feel Sig as someone who is very disconnected. Hence, I think he's a low-key scum.
I kinda suspect Michelle also. I think he's too "clean" to be a townie. Not a priority lynch but be wary of this slot if she's alive in the later stages of the game.

In any case. I will re-read tonight and I hope to give good info by tomorrow. I also want MM and Michelle to check me tonight to confirm my slot, and doctor on me also. So tomorrow. I can be 100% lock town and the info I will give is true, okay?

Despite my failures. I want to blame the interface cos I can't see who died and who is still alive, yet I want to say that there are some ignorance on my part.

[NotAnAxehole]

Despite my failures. I want to blame the interface cos I can't see who died and who is still alive, yet I want to say that there are some ignorance on my part.

Blame host

[Michelle]

I think Ruri and Marmot are same alignment. That's why I want a Ruri lynch. I'm fine also with Marmot cos he's most like have the same alignment as Ruri. Based on my reads.
Also, I think Sig is also a good kill cos I don't him very much linked onto this game. I feel Sig as someone who is very disconnected. Hence, I think he's a low-key scum.
I kinda suspect Michelle also. I think he's too "clean" to be a townie. Not a priority lynch but be wary of this slot if she's alive in the later stages of the game.

In any case. I will re-read tonight and I hope to give good info by tomorrow. I also want MM and Michelle to check me tonight to confirm my slot, and doctor on me also. So tomorrow. I can be 100% lock town and the info I will give is true, okay?

Despite my failures. I want to blame the interface cos I can't see who died and who is still alive, yet I want to say that there are some ignorance on my part.

People alive can be voted in the poll

[Michelle]

@Michelle if you haven't changed your mind by tomorrow, I promise to give you a proper thunder-dome. For now I'm assuming you're still just voting me because you don't like me / don't like how I've played this game, I'll have to progress that into a proper scum read (it's been steadily gaining steam in my thoughts) if you don't get something else going here today.

Also, a thunder-dome with you probably increases my chances of winning quite a bit. Let's go (tomorrow).

Deal?

I don't make deals with mafia

You can town case yourself :sparkleshrug:

[Michelle]

Also Paopan there is no such thing as to clean to be town

I am town, and who thinks logically will notice i have no reason to clear a player like I did, especially not someone like Alexa who's very invested in the game as either alignament.
Also I claimed a visit on the NK without any second thought, because bringing infos in the game is the most important thing.

Also Scotty spewed me town by the way he reacted when i started to suspect NAA. And probably in other posts too but that is a post i remembered now

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Liar

Also your pfp isn’t loading on my phone.

Also hi

Yeah, I am lobbying to have someone generate a new one for me.

Well the “white placard in front of the void” chic is definitely a vibe

I don’t believe you to be VT. Of all the phrases Gav listed, I believe the “one role is useless” to be the one that is a lie.

why though

Why can NAA be town?

Yea it’s purely based on gut, but then again, it is Gavial, so watch the lie actually be ‘There is at least one town’ and I’m about to get clowned

i was in champs spectator chat where Alison was complaining about how bad he (NAA) was as scum and how he barely posted so coming in with energy/confidence the way he did may be >rand town

lol i don't know Gavial, but going to assume the set-up wouldn't be that level of insane

My last game NAA was mafia and I spec’d another when he was bad over the summer so even tho small sample size I think I have a good idea of his scum games

I’m fully noncommittal right now. He needs time to marinate like an egg on the sidewalk

Liar

Also your pfp isn’t loading on my phone.

Also hi

Yeah, I am lobbying to have someone generate a new one for me.

Well the “white placard in front of the void” chic is definitely a vibe

I don’t believe you to be VT. Of all the phrases Gav listed, I believe the “one role is useless” to be the one that is a lie.

why though

Why can NAA be town?

Yea it’s purely based on gut, but then again, it is Gavial, so watch the lie actually be ‘There is at least one town’ and I’m about to get clowned

i was in champs spectator chat where Alison was complaining about how bad he (NAA) was as scum and how he barely posted so coming in with energy/confidence the way he did may be >rand town

lol i don't know Gavial, but going to assume the set-up wouldn't be that level of insane

Also to add on to your point- he was basically running the thread as scum in the last game…Granted, the rest of town was basically taking siestas but take from that what u will

Well the “white placard in front of the void” chic is definitely a vibe

I don’t believe you to be VT. Of all the phrases Gav listed, I believe the “one role is useless” to be the one that is a lie.

why though

Why can NAA be town?

Yea it’s purely based on gut, but then again, it is Gavial, so watch the lie actually be ‘There is at least one town’ and I’m about to get clowned

i was in champs spectator chat where Alison was complaining about how bad he (NAA) was as scum and how he barely posted so coming in with energy/confidence the way he did may be >rand town

lol i don't know Gavial, but going to assume the set-up wouldn't be that level of insane

Also to add on to your point- he was basically running the thread as scum in the last game…Granted, the rest of town was basically taking siestas but take from that what u will

I mean, I think we can all agree that your opinion is basically irrelevant when put next to Alison.

Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

I’ll show you a tone

Alexa, play me a tone

i will never vote mac as we are both victims

yea i mean if we want to really read into this, the host chose 3 people to randomly nickname: Mac, you and falcon.

Could be said you're probably all town. Could be said.

Never met 5 of you.

Putting placeholder on sig for now. We go way back

Scotty's early interactions are with NAA and Alexa.
Alexa is confirmed town by my check, so what's the reason for Scotty to interact that much with another townie? None, he have to distance from a partner, because that's the way mafia can win later in the game, right?
Some meta throwed itt to support a town read for NAA, who wasn't townie one bit, btw, and a suspish emoji as answer at a post, that's not a real intent to pocket a townie.
There is a difference in the way he talked to Alexa vs the way he talked to NAA. Psychologically, NAA was treated like a buddy.

MM, Mac and Falcon had all the name mistaken in the poll and Scotty was TRing all. Rule of 3 says one may be mafia, but the names weren't chosen by Scotty, so no
I reffuse paranoia on MM atm.