Highway Heist (MAFIA WIN)

[Hally]

yeah uh, i don’t really think it’s nook/c4

[Hally]

if c4 is unaligned from everyone he’s just a villager

[Hally]

im gonna step away too

game is just not fun to me when people get like this, sorry

[JaggedJimmyJay]

c4 and NAA

From c4

Spoiler: show

Wilgy is obviously town who next, Alison?

OWNED

does anyone have a reason NAA is a villager?

No heavenly idea how to read him

I don't really care about Wilgy's hammer read, villagers have wack reads

I do care that Wilgy has 0 reads that don't involve the word "hammer"

That's just incorrect. I TR Hally, NAA and Marmot.

NAA I even vocalized.

Oh my god.

I might think that NAA is handling this EOD in a town manner.

I feel it too but meybe because I want to

At least I think I can tell the people who were unaligning Alison/Axe to take that read all the way

i’m treating NAA as a villager at least for a bit

I am too

For me, kill order is MR, Dizzy, Nanook.

If scum is outside of that... Well, mistakes were made.

This looks like something I've seen before, but without Mac.

Wya on Mac

From NAA

Spoiler: show

Isn't c4 just outed mafia already?

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

c4 going against the grain on MR and making that catch on him is the villageriest thing itt so far

c4 going against the grain on MR and making that catch on him is the villageriest thing itt so far

can i help you?

Probably not, I think you're mafia proxy Alison and I don't understand the point of this read on C4 / it almost seems like TMI for the sake of pocketing.

Alison, I town read your entrance, I didn't think you needed to bring that Hally read as mafia - not out of scum range maybe.

I town read the follow-up read on me, I think you're right without context my read on you / c4 is scummy.

I don't value my scum read on C4 because I haven't actually spent any time analyzing their meta, and it was more of a generic read.

I'm surprised that nobody is scum reading c4 rn

Who are the wolves Mac?

Radishes and Wilgy most likely. C4 can be mafia.

C4 was my top mafia read early on... I think I would actually need to check this read in order to seriously hold onto it though.

Conclusion

Not much to talk about. NAA's initial suspicion of c4 doesn't really strike me as teammate stuff, but it's hard to take that the distance when the read never went anywhere.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wilgy and Dizzy

From Wilgy

Spoiler: show

I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

Uh. So you expect scum to openly hammer MR of he’s town? Seems dumb, to be frank. What if one or two are already on him?

Why is it either or. His wagon is pretty meh in any case. There’s plenty of time left in the day. Nobody expects a sudden hammer.

I don’t get and actually don’t buy that this is something you’re actually thinking about in this manner.

What?

If it's a town wagon, us being in a hammer state is quite literally a free push towards their win con.

I will ask. People who have correctly read Dizzy before. Why aren't they scum rn?

I find that I'm just bad at reading them.

Gut is saying Dizzy's Wilgy read is towny

Same, and while I dislike the reason why (as I now know of a weak spot in my scum game), I agree that it is valid.

From Dizzy

Spoiler: show

Hammers are bad when I've read 2.4 pages.

Quick reaction, this post is towny

Alison putting us near hammer now?

It may be a lazy vote, but I'll vote for that. Marmot and Alison are hammer enablers. Get em.

This one in particular has very little conviction, but it isn't a joke either, and can't seem to commit to any particular tone.

I know townies can be stiff. I do it all the time. But I've never seen wilgy have trouble entering games as town.

Or maybe he's scummy adk

I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

Uh. So you expect scum to openly hammer MR of he’s town? Seems dumb, to be frank. What if one or two are already on him?

Why is it either or. His wagon is pretty meh in any case. There’s plenty of time left in the day. Nobody expects a sudden hammer.

I don’t get and actually don’t buy that this is something you’re actually thinking about in this manner.

I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

Uh. So you expect scum to openly hammer MR of he’s town? Seems dumb, to be frank. What if one or two are already on him?

Why is it either or. His wagon is pretty meh in any case. There’s plenty of time left in the day. Nobody expects a sudden hammer.

I don’t get and actually don’t buy that this is something you’re actually thinking about in this manner.

What?

If it's a town wagon, us being in a hammer state is quite literally a free push towards their win con.

Gurl

Ok

Simply this:
if MR flips RED, I don't think these are wolves
c4e5g3d5, Alison, MacDougall, NotAnAxehole

I think there's a likely chance MR is red because of them not being hammered for what, a 10-12 hour period of floating 4?

If MR is red, Mac is probably more likely wolf lol. But MR is town anyways so waheveh

The fact that Wilgy says the "team" could be actively avoiding it when a wolf MR could only have one teammate is actually a little townie imo, because I think scum!Wilgy would be more aware of the fact that there could only be one teammate which is not much of a team.

I thought the same thing, and this is the Marmot analysis I subscribed to. Thank you.

I will ask. People who have correctly read Dizzy before. Why aren't they scum rn?

I find that I'm just bad at reading them.

This is like super towny for Wilgy for me. Wilgy says this and other stuff he's said by now as town.

Town reads
c4e5g3d5
Hally
MacDougall
Marmot

There's some dissonance here, but gun to head town
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes

Not town reads
Alison
DrWilgy
Nanook
NAA

At 9 vs. 2, an ordinary set of roles would call for a POE pool of 5 players (2 mafia + 3 mischops). The arrangement of this game's matrix provides the likelihood (certainty?) of a mischop being lost to an extra mafia kill or beloved princess, so reduce the POE to 4. We'd then need 6 town reads to square the game away, which for the moment does seem like a genuine challenge. I have a theoretical POE built above, but I would like to be more confident about it than I am.

Wilgy is town.

What's the dissonance with me?

I will ask. People who have correctly read Dizzy before. Why aren't they scum rn?

I find that I'm just bad at reading them.

This is like super towny for Wilgy for me. Wilgy says this and other stuff he's said by now as town.

@Hally I don't think Wilgy ever cares about wanting to read me correctly as scum or asks around. He usually slaps a scum read on me or just doesn't care at all. You could say "But pretending", but nah. I just think he's town and I've decided. His thoughts are weird, but that is not uncommon.

Entirely for that one post? Big meh.

It is that, and I just feel it.

I have more success reading town from micro tells (one off posts)
But not a lot of success reading scum from micro tells (cause town says weird and scummy shit or stuff that is insincere all the time)

Town read micro and scum read macro or something.
This is a rant that's not really relevant, but just something I thought about today.

Anyway, I still think Wilgy is town so sue me.

Town:
Marmot
c4
Wilgy
Hally
MR

Everyone else should get townier if they are town.

I get that my Wilgy read seems thin and it might be thin too. But I'm stubborn, and I actually do feel like it's correct so

i’ve been the main one saying she’s probably mafia the entire day lol

Ugh. I know that. Just

Nevermind

Last time you listed suspects or who you wanted to vote, you didn't include Alison, pretty sure. And your response here was pretty much a joke. It was just weird. Are you afraid of being wrong or are you an alien shapeshifter.

But still never mind

i’m just not sure i actually want to kill alison D1 because if she’s a villager i think she can clear herself over time, whereas i find it less likely NAA or wilgy would if v

but i do think she’s a wolf and i may end up just voting her idk

I kind of feel the opposite lol. I feel like Wilgy can be read over time. Not sure about NAA and he tends to be chopped or considered for chopping even if he's obvtown so.

But bottom line, I just think Alison is the most likely mafia so that's where I'm voting. I feel that's a pretty sound strategy lol

Name 6 townies not including yourself. Get it right and you win the game. Anyone fancy a try?

c4
marmot
dizzy
you

honestly not sure who else, but maybe radishy because he’s my mason

I'll sheep your Jimmay read if you sheep my Wilgy and Radish reads. You won't regret it. BOX THEM IN

Yo I thought that was hammer too tho.

Would scum know that hammer was 6 or would scum be a ding ding like me and think it was 5?

I mean, it says clearly that it's 6. Everyone knows that it's 6. I don't see why anyone would think it's 5, including you tbh lol

I have just eaten a pot of Samyang noodles. My sinuses are clear and my brain is tired. I have read up.

- Mac's re-entrance into the thread does not spark joy. He appears to be generating chaos for the sake of it when I think he would approach the gamestate in a more orderly fashion if his reads were as he claims they were. Specifically, if he townreads me and sees me in danger of receiving a guillotine to the neck, I believe he would not be doing things like, eg. "voting c4 for science". I'm scratching my head why he (presumably) townreads me over the "rock apes" mindmeld. Surely I'd be frustrated at having a read confidence misrepped as either alignment.

- I still do not want to vote Mac off today. My reasoning remains the same.

- I have seen NAA's argument that JJJ is most likely to be the scum voting me. I definitely think I am being pushed by scum. Radish and Dizzy are more likely than JJJ, though. I tend to think that JJJ is the kind of townie that ramps up the townieness over time. If he is town, he will show that townieness in a brilliant dazzle as time goes on until it is undeniable to everyone and he becomes universally townread. If it is later in the game and he still hasn't ramped up, then maybe scrutinize him then. I have other leads to pursue in the meantime.

- I think Wilgy is town now. Gut read. Believe it or don't.

- Nanook takes Wilgy's place of suspicion in the POE for trying to hammer me. I had Wilgy paired with Axe specifically because Axe seemed willing to sheep my push on anyone but him, but I don't think Nanook and Axe read as strongly paired. They could be partners, it's not out of the question, but it's not an association I think is significantly more likely than Nanook + other person or Axe + other person. I think in this updated solve I'd throw Nanook in as a wild card replacement of one of Radish/Mac if I'm wrong on them. Radish/Mac/Dizzy/Nanook are floating around in some kind of scummy stew. I think there's two mafia in there and the most likely exact pair is Radish/Mac but I wouldn't be shocked to see any of the others in one of the slots. Axe is less scummy than the four of them especially given his hard Alison siding and the fact that the person I partnered him with now reads as town to me. He is 5th in the POE.

Good night.

I'm also unenthused by Mac.

I also think Wilgy is town.

Problem is, your solve just seems weak and bad to me. I took issue with your reasons for scum reading MR, because they just seem like made up bs, as I said, prescribing tons meaning into a simple joke. You never addressed this, and I would like you to. Your tag-on that I'm scum for "not doing anything" is bad as well. I have certainly done a lot. I have 5 town reads (that might change lol) and I am straight up accusing you for specific reasons. Me "doing anything" is not even a reliable way to read me. However, I'm not one to get up in your face and "open wolf" or whatever you think I would be doing here as wolf. I don't know. Maybe you're omgusing a bit or whatever, but I find your read on both me and MR particularly weak at a level I don't expect from you as town. Even if you are town and MR is mafia, I find your MR read weak.

So that just makes it hard to believe that you have such confidence in this.

@Alison Of you town read Wilgy, I expect you to describe meaning to me trying to town clear them when Hally and Jimmay were voting Wilgy. Other people were able to. Unless you’re just not paying attention. My biggest issue, again, is your solve doesn’t have substance or the substance is weak/bad like in the case of MR

@Alison Of you town read Wilgy, I expect you to describe meaning to me trying to town clear them when Hally and Jimmay were voting Wilgy. Other people were able to. Unless you’re just not paying attention. My biggest issue, again, is your solve doesn’t have substance or the substance is weak/bad like in the case of MR

I should add that my reads aren't really that different to yours tbh.

c4/Marmot - shocked if mafia.
Hally - not shocked if mafia at all actually, but I still town read.
Wilgy - town just get with it
Jimmay - I actually just need someone to convince me one way or another, cause it's a mixed bag
Nanook - Shrug
NAA - Shrug
Mac - Playing some sour notes
Alison - Why is your reasoning for your reads on me and MR in particular so extremely bad
MR - Actually should do a lot more things

Town reads
c4e5g3d5
Hally
MacDougall
Marmot

There's some dissonance here, but gun to head town
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes

Not town reads
Alison
DrWilgy
Nanook
NAA

At 9 vs. 2, an ordinary set of roles would call for a POE pool of 5 players (2 mafia + 3 mischops). The arrangement of this game's matrix provides the likelihood (certainty?) of a mischop being lost to an extra mafia kill or beloved princess, so reduce the POE to 4. We'd then need 6 town reads to square the game away, which for the moment does seem like a genuine challenge. I have a theoretical POE built above, but I would like to be more confident about it than I am.

I vaguely understand Dizzy's read on Wilgy. I am not sure I agree with it, but I get it.

I don't understand Mac's read on NAA.

@c4e5g3d5 you asked about my Mac read. I'm afraid it's not going to be one that is likely to move your needle a ton, but anyway:

In recent memory, when Mac has been mafia I have been able to tell pretty quickly. There's a certain degree of obviousness about how BS his chaos has been, and it becomes difficult to suspend disbelief for his sake. I don't get that impression generally in this game. I think his reads have mostly made sense and that they have aligned well with my own. When he and I are seeing a similar state of affairs I think that's usually a good sign. The only read of his that I do not follow is his town read on NAA.

I could move Mac down a level to the "dissonance" pile. At the least answering c4's prompt made it clearer to me that I cannot concretely justify a town read. I can vaguely justify it.

@Dyslexicon I'm a sucker for this kind of thing
It's the kind of read where you can see where he's leaning and when throughout even though he doesn't say it explicitly at any point
Then little things like that second post being presented as off topic and not for a specific purpose and how he shows off the original townread more than the retraction even while applying pressure come off has lacking agenda
Just a bunch ofextra hoops for w!Jay to jump through that make me think he's genuinely reading Mac

Not my only reason but it's the one I can recall right now and the one I had the most fun finding

Ok. I think it's a bit like you being confused as to how I town read Wilgy, but at the same time, I'm not that confused. Jimmay can likely be town, and I have no problem seeing that. He hasn't been bad, I also think a large part of it is me not being able to process his posts well, and then wondering if that is his fault (trying to be vague and obfuscate) or me not just having the mental fortitude to process his view.

I'm find trusting your judgement for now ig

Random reflections without having read carefully:

Is Mac really this lost and confused? Are you lost and confused, Mac?

Maybe it's a mistake to take Wilgy out of the PoE.

@JaggedJimmyJay Why are you struggling so to read me? Can I help you?

I'm pretty sure I'm over my Hally suspicion. They did a towny.

Also, I want to read this game more carefully and be more present with it. I've been constantly in a state of dissociation when engaging with the game, which isn't as comfortable as I want it to be. When I eventually get to it, I might have less random thoughts.

Conclusion

I have a hard time separating them. Nothing here stands out as alarming to me, but theoretically they fit together well enough. The only thing there is to talk about it Dizzy's town read on Wilgy, and that just sort of exists.

[Hally]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

i’m parking here until someone explains why he’s a villager


good night

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wilgy and Mac

From Wilgy

Spoiler: show

@DrWilgy are u proud of me son?

si.

hello.

Simply this:
if MR flips RED, I don't think these are wolves
c4e5g3d5, Alison, MacDougall, NotAnAxehole

I think there's a likely chance MR is red because of them not being hammered for what, a 10-12 hour period of floating 4?

Oh, moved vote to Mac to avoid hammer.

Read the past few pages.

I think my PoE at this moment is Mac, Radishes, Alison.

Tinfoil C4. I can't express why.

Who are the wolves Mac?

Radishes and Wilgy most likely. C4 can be mafia.

Why am I your perpetual default dad?

From Mac

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Everyone is too townie for Wilgy to also be town

@DrWilgy are u proud of me son?

looks like wilgy gets to live

I would love to hear everyone's town reads. It would be peachy keen. The more the better.

you dizzy Marmot

axe c4

nanook hally Alison

wilgy

I reckon nanook and wilgy are the maf lol

Nanook is off to perhaps the worst start I have ever seen from him (with respect to alignment, not "quality").

Wilgy is a suspect by default.

Hally and Alison are a weird binary-exclusive case that could stand in for either of the names above.

yeh all this is pretty much things I think

do think wilgy very likely to be mafia tho

My POE is

Alison

Radishes/Wilgy

skimmed some wilgy games and honestly didn’t help other than confirming my recollection that he can be more villagery as a villager than he’s currently being, but it seems like he isn’t always

what wilgy games did you skim and how many?

skimmed some wilgy games and honestly didn’t help other than confirming my recollection that he can be more villagery as a villager than he’s currently being, but it seems like he isn’t always

what wilgy games did you skim and how many?

trash pandas - he was a villager and gimmicked the whole game so idc about it

coffia - he was wolf and seemed sorta similar to here but not exactly

philo maf 2 - he was a villager and gimmicked D1 but then when he dropped the gimmick he was a lot more villagery than here

molly maguires - was a villager and way more villagery than here

cool so let's kill wilgy

Who are the wolves Mac?

Radishes and Wilgy most likely. C4 can be mafia.

I am glad we're in a game with the likes of Wilgy, MR, NAA and Nook cuz I'm confident they're at least all allergic to your bs.

jay’s trademark is D1 blind interaction charts

you are literally just making stuff up

Well no I just have zero recollection of him ever doing that and I am pretty confident that he doesn't believe that day 1 interactions are very valid.

Going back to the original point. Try to read this post with a clear head.

Jay said that he had you, Alison and NAA in his day 1 POE, of players that have made posts. He said you can't be with the other two so he ruled you out. Implying that anti-associations with those players are enough to rule you out. But then he added back in two players that were low posting in Wilgy and Marmot to his POE and didn't add you back in. Read this carefully. If those two can be POE, why can't you be POE? It doesn't make sense. His read on you has agenda.

mac, jay and i are both town

who are the wolves?

Can be anyone really can't it.

That said. I have some problems with the day 1 gamestate that have caused me to become confirmation biased into this world and your reactions to me voicing it being as aggressive as they were forced me to go back and dig up arguments I didn't really have specifically planned out prior to voicing the read.

My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.

Can a mafia team of two say something like MR/Wilgy just coast while the town captains just work themselves into killing a townie looking Alison, even while MacDougall, who is probably the best Alison read here, is saying she is town? Of course all things is possible in the eyes of the lord. But as I find myself explaining a lot, mafia is a game of probability analysis and I find it more plausible that this would not be the case and that in fact the gamestate was being influenced to be malignant in a more direct manner.

My analysis indicates that one of you are near sure to be mafia now with Marmot and Alison both dead and town.

It is either that, or you guys are playing really badly. Like no offense, but that's the situation. Because I am town. I'll readily admit I'm also playing pretty badly though so you're not alone. But if you guys are town together then yeah you guys are having proper clangers.

To me this game feels neither like easy mode nor hard mode. Middle mode is the vibe which has me in the realms of MR and Dizzy, for example.

what if it's just nanook and wilgy after all?

is there any reason wilgy is coasting?

Alison putting us near hammer now?

It may be a lazy vote, but I'll vote for that. Marmot and Alison are hammer enablers. Get em.

like... this is just harrowingly awful

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

why

Read the past few pages.

I think my PoE at this moment is Mac, Radishes, Alison.

Tinfoil C4. I can't express why.

if I rule of three this post I'd say radishes/wilgy are the mafia, there are other posts in his iso that indicate this also namely that he entered late to the game and spent most of his time limply pushing MR which is probably just antispew

I just want everyone to know that I just used the restroom.

It was quite exhilarating.

Wilgy literally poop posted in the middle of my hally/jay fight and that was 2 hours ago and he has made zero other posts

is there any reason wilgy is coasting?

idk people keep saying he’s a villager and i don’t get it

I just read his ISO and it is wall to wall awful and scummy and makes no sense.

Wilgy most likely partner is MR by some stretch.

but yeah idk, dizzy, nook, marmot and alison have all said wilgy is a villager and i don’t know him well enough to feel good going against that even though i think his posts are kinda garbage

I don't agree with any of them. Wilgy is squarely in his scum meta, and I am pretty good at reading Wilgy.

I don’t town read Wilgy’s posts, but I might town read Wilgy’s aura. If that makes sense.

GaMe StAtE rEaD

It’s not confident at all, but I want to treat it that way for the moment

His aura of not caring that much?

That might be so but town Wilgy that doesn't care would automatically assume that you and I are mafia. He has no mentioned you once and voted me most of day 1 without me even being in his POE or vocalising a single scumread on me.

or maybe it’s just wilgy/nook

Wilgy hit the thread way late and got to work pushing MR for awful reasons and then later on dropped that read in favour of pushing C4 for awful reasons. Meanwhile he spent most of the time voting me without talking about me.

I'd say his teammate is likely MR. People just give Wilgy twtbw townreads a lot.

why is he not the best option? if we miss on someone else we're just gonna end up default chopping wilgy at a more perilous moment anyway

so you're coming out of this with a wolf read on MR and townread on wilgy? lol ok

I just think it's pretty likely that wilgy hit the thread immediately in antispew tbh

wilgy nanook final answer

Conclusion

Mac has been in an anti-Wilgy stance for essentially the entire game so far. It occurs to me that I might need to consider that [alone] more closely, because I know those two have been mafia together before quite a lot. So Mac's experience is extensive in that arena. Anyway with respect to their being teamed here... I doubt it. It's kinda like Mac/c4 was in that the animosity is visible, but in this case I think it's more energized, constant, and as seen from one of Wilgy's highlighted posts, not altogether anticipated (if I'm not interpreting it wrongly).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wilgy and MR

From Wilgy

Spoiler: show

Wilgy is obviously town who next, Alison?

I don't think he is

I re-read MR though and some stuff pings me (specifically the flat-sounding attempt to sound like an egoistical townie angry that people are assuming they're out of their scum range, and the repetition of "witty opening post" making for a kinda stilted entrance). So I [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine.

Do tell me your magical reason.

Would be pretty funny if I hammered MR tho.

Do I flip a coin to determine if you live or die MR?

I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

also if for some reason you think wolves will just do that and they haven’t, the fact that the haven’t would make MR a wolf right? but your not concluding that? or are you?

I'm finding that the likely scenario, BUT I think it also is more so worth keeping in mind while we accrue more data on the people currently on MR.

If any of them specifically flip wolf, prior to us flipping MR, I'd say that just about clears MR. If MR flips Wolf, I'd say it just about clears everyone on the Wagon, with the exception that we think that there's a bussing teammate who just wasn't around to course correct.

Simply this:
if MR flips RED, I don't think these are wolves
c4e5g3d5, Alison, MacDougall, NotAnAxehole

I think there's a likely chance MR is red because of them not being hammered for what, a 10-12 hour period of floating 4?

I haven't played with c4 before.

And idk. They seem like they are quite alright with many a wagon. They were on MR, Nook and Alison. They are cool with anyone going over and persistently keeps people at 4. I think they are the only one who's been on all 3 potential yeets.

From MR

Spoiler: show

Do I flip a coin to determine if you live or die MR?

I'm - 2 still. If I self vote will you hammer me?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Too much hammer chatter

Must say, I also found this weird. I never felt in danger of being hammered and I even resisted self voting for the meme because I figured it'd be a town more likely to hammer me, not a scum.

And then he doubled down on it which I guess is not really AI but still is a likely enough scum approach when called out on something.

I dont think I've ever seen scum Wilgz though.

If I put Wilgy at E-2 do you think he gets hammered?

Can't believe scum haven't taken the opportunity to hammer Wilgy.

Here is my advice on what to do. First, eliminate Alison so that I won't die today.

If Alison flips scum, then eliminate Mac. If Mac is town, then eliminate Dizzy and Wilgy, in that order.

If Alison flips town, then eliminate me. I will flip town, whereupon which you should eliminate NAA and Wilgy.

I have about a 60% confidence that this solve wins the game. This may not seem like a lot of confidence, but it's actually quite a lot if you think about what I am proposing.

What if the crowd of Jay, Hally, Dizzy, C4, Marmot, and I all rank Alison, NAA, Mac in preferred order and then find the average score to decide who dies.

(In this plan Wilgy and NAA are NPCs.)

Alison > NAA > Mac > Nook

Not sure I'm ready for a Wilgy yeet at this stage.

Conclusion

I don't think these two are teamed. It really seems that way to me when MR gets to the task of essentially mocking Wilgy's initial hammer-based reads. MR also really worked himself into the space to [halfway] read Wilgy as mafia for something he granted was not alignment-indicative. Just doesn't look the part to me.

[c4e5g3d5]

Oh shit I'm actually racing you? That was supposed to be mine.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wilgy and Nanook

From Wilgy

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Speaking of which.

I haven't played with c4 before.

And idk. They seem like they are quite alright with many a wagon. They were on MR, Nook and Alison. They are cool with anyone going over and persistently keeps people at 4. I think they are the only one who's been on all 3 potential yeets.

Hammers are BAD and ANTI TOWN because they ROB us of TIME and EVERYONE knows that TIME is way more valuable than FLIPS because TIME is how we circlejerk about how smart we all are SOLVE THE GAME

Spoiler: show

I like my quality shitposting time thank you very much!

Hammers are BAD and ANTI TOWN because they ROB us of TIME and EVERYONE knows that TIME is way more valuable than FLIPS because TIME is how we circlejerk about how smart we all are SOLVE THE GAME

Hammers are GOOD and PRO-TOWN because they GRANT us FLIPS with LOCKED NIGHT PHASES when the host isn't HERE to GIVE the FLIP anyway I LOVE hammers HAMMER ME DADDY

OHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAH

From Nanook

Spoiler: show

Hello, I see I have 3 votes. Who's munchin that LHF?

Glomp, uwu

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine forgot to call it earlier

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

I read his iso and im actually pretty confident wilgy is town

Wilgy hally and mac are my confident town reads now

Name 6 townies not including yourself. Get it right and you win the game. Anyone fancy a try?

Hally mac dizzy wilgy tbd tbd

Largely because your votes to that point that I'd seen were a long held deeply meh vote on myself and a vote on wilgy, who I came to believe is town

So

Downgraded to a null read

If Alison goes over and flips red with you on her you can have a sweet sweet town read again

the thing is i can’t tell if he’s gimmicking here? his tone is weird but not in an obviously gimmicky way

I don't have the capacity for gimmicks rn. Getting married in a week.

My tone is probably off because I didn't read the first 10 pages and I'm struggling to really read anyone as scum. With the exception of c4, and I don't even get that one.

Mmmff mmf your vows and tell your wife it's a townie gimmick or gtfo

Hammers are BAD and ANTI TOWN because they ROB us of TIME and EVERYONE knows that TIME is way more valuable than FLIPS because TIME is how we circlejerk about how smart we all are SOLVE THE GAME

Spoiler: show

I like my quality shitposting time thank you very much!

The only appropriate response tbh

I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

Well I think she's been pushing mostly town so

This is a valid reason to scum read, but I disagree with MR/dizzy being T/T

I think dizzy at least is likely town, and her other pushes that I've seen are some combo of me/mac/wilgy, so like...I think at most one mafia in those four and radishes

Yes wilgy is obviously town lol

I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

why

I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game

like, w!wilgy enters the thread D1 and immediately goes “i’m going to give up and anti-spew”? i doubt it

I don't think this is an absurd thought

like, w!wilgy enters the thread D1 and immediately goes “i’m going to give up and anti-spew”? i doubt it

I don't think this is an absurd thought

has he done that before? seems kinda eh to give up on his team like that

I mean it's not giving up yeah its trying to set up for their continued success, playing as a team rather than selfishly

Idk I'm townreading him so I don't think its *likely* I just don't see it as an outlandish thought

Seems unlikely given that what I've said hasn't already

I think there's likely a mafia in this game that's sort of sliding by, that pool basically amounts to wilgy/radishes/c4, I dismissed wilgy because I still think he's town and I don't think radishes fits that well, leaving me with c4, someone that has generally escaped my notice. I do believe this game is a prime target for applying the vibe tell read, and c4 fails it harder than anyone else in the game for me, so. I do think there's probably one between radishes and c4 for vague and poorly defined gamestate reasons that I don't really have the willpower or desire to even attempt to expand on, but I kinda think c4 is more likely.

By nature it's difficult to really expound on or sell, and I didn't/don't expect it to convince anyone. Convincing people isn't really my strongsuit anyways. But, that's my read.

Conclusion

This is essentially a clone of Dizzy/Wilgy, with one low-leverage vote by Nanook on Wilgy early in the game added in. Nanook has a town read and otherwise hasn't really revisited the matter of Wilgy. Wilgy hasn't done anything with Nanook. Technically compatible.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh shit I'm actually racing you? That was supposed to be mine.

got into the zone and forgot you were doing all MRs as I did that one, but no matter. four eyes are better than two, and you might have a different perspective

[c4e5g3d5]

Oh shit I'm actually racing you? That was supposed to be mine.

got into the zone and forgot you were doing all MRs as I did that one, but no matter. four eyes are better than two, and you might have a different perspective

I had a slightly weaker version of what you had

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh shit I'm actually racing you? That was supposed to be mine.

got into the zone and forgot you were doing all MRs as I did that one, but no matter. four eyes are better than two, and you might have a different perspective

I had a slightly weaker version of what you had

I very much appreciate your efforts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wilgy and NAA

From Wilgy

Spoiler: show

Simply this:
if MR flips RED, I don't think these are wolves
c4e5g3d5, Alison, MacDougall, NotAnAxehole

I think there's a likely chance MR is red because of them not being hammered for what, a 10-12 hour period of floating 4?

I don't really care about Wilgy's hammer read, villagers have wack reads

I do care that Wilgy has 0 reads that don't involve the word "hammer"

That's just incorrect. I TR Hally, NAA and Marmot.

NAA I even vocalized.

@Alison is wanting to sheep you normal for NAA? how does he usually approach you as v?

1) No.
2) These are the games I've had with v!NAA.

- Basic Mafia (V/V), where I explicitly asked to be sheeped because I had a very confident read. He did not do this.
- Bonk! Mafia (V/M), where I replaced into an outed scum slot and got instantly voted out by everyone.
- Lost in Space Mafia (V/M), where he correctly suspected me for voting a villager at D1 and buried me D2.
- GOC (V/V), where he received a role that gave him rewards if he faked and held a cop check; he faked a red check on me, and a member of the mafia opportunistically used this chance to dayvig me.

As you can see, he doesn't have a track record of sheeping me when he is town, regardless of my alignment. This is why I was skeptical of his decision to do so this game, with very little reason.

I do think NAA has track record of sheeping a player in the game who has a lot of threadclout or towncred.

He openly steeped JJJ in Fleabag
He openly steeped me in Team Fortress

I don't recall what his scum meta is like though

I don't need to play as scum because people don't understand my town meta, and generally go out of their way to not interact with me.

If it's any consolation, I think you are town based on your behavior towards my slot.

From NAA

Spoiler: show

wilgy is threadspewed by NAA and alison both being on his wagon

Spoiler: show

unless they’re bussing

and nook is on it too lol

i feel like either wilgy is getting bussed right now or he’s a villager

Probably a villager

Hi Wilgy

Wilgy is obviously town who next, Alison?

@Alison is wanting to sheep you normal for NAA? how does he usually approach you as v?

1) No.
2) These are the games I've had with v!NAA.

- Basic Mafia (V/V), where I explicitly asked to be sheeped because I had a very confident read. He did not do this.
- Bonk! Mafia (V/M), where I replaced into an outed scum slot and got instantly voted out by everyone.
- Lost in Space Mafia (V/M), where he correctly suspected me for voting a villager at D1 and buried me D2.
- GOC (V/V), where he received a role that gave him rewards if he faked and held a cop check; he faked a red check on me, and a member of the mafia opportunistically used this chance to dayvig me.

As you can see, he doesn't have a track record of sheeping me when he is town, regardless of my alignment. This is why I was skeptical of his decision to do so this game, with very little reason.

I do think NAA has track record of sheeping a player in the game who has a lot of threadclout or towncred.

He openly steeped JJJ in Fleabag
He openly steeped me in Team Fortress

I don't recall what his scum meta is like though

I don't need to play as scum because people don't understand my town meta, and generally go out of their way to not interact with me.

If it's any consolation, I think you are town based on your behavior towards my slot.

Wilgy obviously town tbh.

Conclusion

Another one much like Dizzy and Nanook with Wilgy. NAA's town read on Wilgy has been stated as confidently as either of theirs has, but it might not have been fielded in dialogue as often. By the same boring logic, they can technically fit even if this doesn't indicate anything especially problematic. If I stretch I might say the one highlighted Wilgy post looks good to separate them, but that's a risky take.

Also, given that Dizzy, Nanook, NAA, and to a lesser extent Alison all had this view of Wilgy, that might alleviate the "hard shield teammate" theory slightly for all three of them. They can't all be doing it.

[c4e5g3d5]

Radish +

Wilgy

Wilgy's hammer thing on Radish felt weird for partners but I couldn't get more specific than that
I thought Radish's badgering of Wilgy over the hammer thing was moderately unaligned
Feels like right, right on the edge of where I can just unalign them but not quite there

Dizzy

Radish had a reply to one Dizzy post that made it look like he actually needed to defend himself to Dizzy
I found absolutely nothing else unaligning for the two of them from either end, Dizzy waffles a lot without much commitment or reasoning at any point and MR drops a light tr D1 that doesn't really resurface much
Leave this square open

Hally

Radish gave me a whole lotta nothin, Hally gave me a whole lotta nothin, the mason stuff seemed vaguely unaligned but that's weak

i’m a bit worried this is CoV 2.0 where alison came under fire D1 and correctly caught radishes wolfing while i suspected her and defended radishes like a dingus lol

But this one hit a little close to home in a way I think leans unaligned
Inconclusive but give it some mixed color on the chart
(But also if you're skipping Hally anyway lmao)

Jay

Absolytely not w/w lol
When Jay starts pushing Radish, read his responses, how he genuinely feels threatened, how he gets all "I expect better of you" with Jay
Not even close

Mac

Radish on Mac is forgettable
Mac names Radish as two other players' most likely partners which probably leans not w/w but it's super weak
I got nothin here

Nook

I found something fun

I've been on board with Nook sus since like literally pg 1.

Everyone go do that and leave me alone.

This being on board with the Nook sus amounts to the Mac/Nook meme team that became slightly less a meme team for a moment and was then lost to the sands of time
Feels actively w/w
Radish's mentions of Nook are low even by Radish standards relative to Radish on other players and he says this?
Nook on Radish doesn't move the needle in either direction

Axe

Not w/w
Go home everyone
Regardless of alignment Radish was frustrated at Axe's lack of explanation and wanted one

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dizzy and Mac

From Dizzy

Spoiler: show

bro you 100% hate playing wolf we talked about this several times in the GoC

Oops, my bad. 2) is 100 % correct.

mac is in his wolfrange right now is realistically something you can say on page 5 of every game btw

Not me noticing your post rank after reading this post lol

I am confusion then

I was implying you would be the easiest push to be making because you had been the scummiest slot yet nobody was which is a fact I felt would benefit the town to consider.

You're the easiest push to make though.

Spoiler: show

no I do probably have covid tho lol

How is your bloodpee coming along?

Game felt so much scummier when Mac arrived, and not just Mac lol. Wtf is that all about

Game felt so much scummier when Mac arrived, and not just Mac lol. Wtf is that all about

I can explain.

I arrived to the game with Nanook and Jay already voting me. I hadn't got into the hub yet so I legit figured I was mafia with Nanook and said as much cuz funny wifom. Then I saw my actual rolecard and then I decided to play wolfy on purpose to reaction test people and Hally failed it.

When is the sexy mud wrestling bit of the story?

no I do probably have covid tho lol

How is your bloodpee coming along?

cleared up well thanks for asking

Glad to hear it!

I don't really worry much about Mac. He's a lousy wolf that often wins.

I don't really worry much about Mac. He's a lousy wolf that often wins.

Much like me when I think about it

I have an idea.

All of you should blindly sheep me D1. Then if the person I vote flips GREEN you lock me as inno child. If the person I vote flips RED you policy me. How does that sound?

I fixed your version of this.

Mac is probably town tbh
Add Hally, c4, Marmot and Radish. YES RADISH

Towncoreville wow

I am the beloved princess so Nanook must be mafia.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

how can this be true when @Dyslexicon is the beloved princess?

This is so funny, cause I actually am, but nobody will believe me so it's cool.

Did anyone notice that I did the incredibly fool proof town tell of posting way past when I said I was going to sleep?

As if I wasn't town read enough already!

fwiw I usually find wolves do this more than town lol

Not me.

Simply this:
if MR flips RED, I don't think these are wolves
c4e5g3d5, Alison, MacDougall, NotAnAxehole

I think there's a likely chance MR is red because of them not being hammered for what, a 10-12 hour period of floating 4?

If MR is red, Mac is probably more likely wolf lol. But MR is town anyways so waheveh

correction naa's entire iso is townie

this post reminds me of how i caught mac in GoC when he declared sabie was lock v for no reason

like idk how anyone could think this lol

I read his iso and it was townie... explain how it wasn't? first 9 posts.

How about you explain how it's towny?

Outside c4, there's a general view forming that Alison is a lead suspect. I would say so too.

If so, what implications does this have for the other players? I am sensing a little bit of discord in the consensus beyond this point (not an unhealthy amount, but an observable amount), and it might do us well as a group to sort that problem if it is a problem. Who fits with mafia Alison? What happens to your view of the game if she is town?

You are like actually very scummy with these posts. Have I just forgotten how to play with you. I'd vig you over most others in this game rn tbh tbh

So that was my reaction.
But to answer your question like a good citizen. Alison scum means town wins. Alison town means I look at you/Mac/Nanook/NAA probably.

it's 9 fucking posts, why is the burden of proof on me? people are >rand town by default so the burden of proof is not on me.

Yes, it is. You were the one with a (counter) opinion.

like how much can I actually elaborate on a read I made from skimming a guy's 9 post ISO? do you want me to break it down character by character?

The hyperbole and the drama of it all lol

Is this the part where we turbo jjj?

I mean, he would unvote to appease Hally as either alignment, I don't think it's ADDITIONALLY indicative. The fact that he didn't offer to unvote IS wolfy though, I think normally as town he's like yeah, I don't mind... But let's just see if other people are ok with it.

Here he was like YEAH IM FINE WITH IT

OH, other people aren't... Ok.

I don't disagree entirely with this.

so you disagree somewhat or agree partially?

I agree, but don't know if it's meaningful.

I have just eaten a pot of Samyang noodles. My sinuses are clear and my brain is tired. I have read up.

- Mac's re-entrance into the thread does not spark joy. He appears to be generating chaos for the sake of it when I think he would approach the gamestate in a more orderly fashion if his reads were as he claims they were. Specifically, if he townreads me and sees me in danger of receiving a guillotine to the neck, I believe he would not be doing things like, eg. "voting c4 for science". I'm scratching my head why he (presumably) townreads me over the "rock apes" mindmeld. Surely I'd be frustrated at having a read confidence misrepped as either alignment.

- I still do not want to vote Mac off today. My reasoning remains the same.

- I have seen NAA's argument that JJJ is most likely to be the scum voting me. I definitely think I am being pushed by scum. Radish and Dizzy are more likely than JJJ, though. I tend to think that JJJ is the kind of townie that ramps up the townieness over time. If he is town, he will show that townieness in a brilliant dazzle as time goes on until it is undeniable to everyone and he becomes universally townread. If it is later in the game and he still hasn't ramped up, then maybe scrutinize him then. I have other leads to pursue in the meantime.

- I think Wilgy is town now. Gut read. Believe it or don't.

- Nanook takes Wilgy's place of suspicion in the POE for trying to hammer me. I had Wilgy paired with Axe specifically because Axe seemed willing to sheep my push on anyone but him, but I don't think Nanook and Axe read as strongly paired. They could be partners, it's not out of the question, but it's not an association I think is significantly more likely than Nanook + other person or Axe + other person. I think in this updated solve I'd throw Nanook in as a wild card replacement of one of Radish/Mac if I'm wrong on them. Radish/Mac/Dizzy/Nanook are floating around in some kind of scummy stew. I think there's two mafia in there and the most likely exact pair is Radish/Mac but I wouldn't be shocked to see any of the others in one of the slots. Axe is less scummy than the four of them especially given his hard Alison siding and the fact that the person I partnered him with now reads as town to me. He is 5th in the POE.

Good night.

I'm also unenthused by Mac.

I also think Wilgy is town.

Problem is, your solve just seems weak and bad to me. I took issue with your reasons for scum reading MR, because they just seem like made up bs, as I said, prescribing tons meaning into a simple joke. You never addressed this, and I would like you to. Your tag-on that I'm scum for "not doing anything" is bad as well. I have certainly done a lot. I have 5 town reads (that might change lol) and I am straight up accusing you for specific reasons. Me "doing anything" is not even a reliable way to read me. However, I'm not one to get up in your face and "open wolf" or whatever you think I would be doing here as wolf. I don't know. Maybe you're omgusing a bit or whatever, but I find your read on both me and MR particularly weak at a level I don't expect from you as town. Even if you are town and MR is mafia, I find your MR read weak.

So that just makes it hard to believe that you have such confidence in this.

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

I guess I'd take any flip among Alison, Jimmay, NAA and Mac at this point.

Less interested in flipping Nook rn, but meh

[VOTE: FartyMacFartFace] aubergine

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

You might be bad for doing things that won't lead anywhere. Cause your shit doesn't lead anywhere when you are mafia. I believe it's the number one difference between your wolf and town game.

c4 is pretty consensus town read.

Your particular brand of pouting isn't inspiring either.

Just my opinion man

@Alison Of you town read Wilgy, I expect you to describe meaning to me trying to town clear them when Hally and Jimmay were voting Wilgy. Other people were able to. Unless you’re just not paying attention. My biggest issue, again, is your solve doesn’t have substance or the substance is weak/bad like in the case of MR

I should add that my reads aren't really that different to yours tbh.

c4/Marmot - shocked if mafia.
Hally - not shocked if mafia at all actually, but I still town read.
Wilgy - town just get with it
Jimmay - I actually just need someone to convince me one way or another, cause it's a mixed bag
Nanook - Shrug
NAA - Shrug
Mac - Playing some sour notes
Alison - Why is your reasoning for your reads on me and MR in particular so extremely bad
MR - Actually should do a lot more things

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

You might be bad for doing things that won't lead anywhere. Cause your shit doesn't lead anywhere when you are mafia. I believe it's the number one difference between your wolf and town game.

c4 is pretty consensus town read.

Your particular brand of pouting isn't inspiring either.

Just my opinion man

well your shit only leads to a dead town so

Oh wow burn

no burn intended I am just trying to make you recognise the hypocrisy of claiming my play "leads nowhere" when your current play is to yolo a vote onto a town Mac

You're a possible chop. C4 is not. So it leads somewhere. Potentially. Your alignment is irrelevant.

If you want to understand my perspective. But if you want to moan, feel free.

I'm just like scolding everyones play style and how they are "doing it wrong".
Alison, get better reads Jesus.
Jimmay, write differently.
Mac, don't be a pouty poutface.

^Dizzy is confirmed town. Thank you.

I'm already volume clearing hally and mac idgaf

Never mind that was nanook

He volume cleared Mac in the same post. :/

@MacDougall Why tf would you volume clear Hally. Booo

if alison flips town i really would kill NAA

if alison flips wolf soft clear NAA and look at mac probably

Yeah

there is very little chance my vote ends up on anyone not named jay or hally today and that's not having read anything from day 2 so far

Vote Hally with me. It will be great

Funny you say that Jay because I don't believe that either of you would view the day as having played out the way that it did and think I had anything to do with it, do you really think that Alison goes over day 1 without the mafia playing a significant role in her demise? I don't.

I played maybe the biggest part, and I could tell it was a mistake as it was happening heh

Funny you say that Jay because I don't believe that either of you would view the day as having played out the way that it did and think I had anything to do with it, do you really think that Alison goes over day 1 without the mafia playing a significant role in her demise? I don't.

I played maybe the biggest part, and I could tell it was a mistake as it was happening heh

that isn't helping my point right now

But it’s true. Don’t really thing Jay is mafia. But what I think isn’t likely to be worth much

Furthermore I will add that nobody outright attacking me (the way Jay and Hally have done right now) d1 is a strong indicator that it's because I was pushing an incorrect POE and wasn't being a threat. Jay and Hally at multiple points exhibited TMI that I was town.

You were pushed a decent deal for a d1. You’re not making convincing points tbh

Mac. You’re open wolfing worse than me, regardless of your alignment. Sads.

Mac. You’re open wolfing worse than me, regardless of your alignment. Sads.

These types of comments are why good chops on good players never go through.

I’m voting Hally now.

You could join.

Mac. You’re open wolfing worse than me, regardless of your alignment. Sads.

These types of comments are why good chops on good players never go through.

I’m voting Hally now.

You could join.

Nah pass, Hally is obvious town from derp clearing herself after Alison fake claimed mafia.

Didn’t you just spend the last pages declaring how Jimmay and Hally are teammates.

You can calm down with the open wolfing now lol

Mac. You’re open wolfing worse than me, regardless of your alignment. Sads.

These types of comments are why good chops on good players never go through.

I’m voting Hally now.

You could join.

Nah pass, Hally is obvious town from derp clearing herself after Alison fake claimed mafia.

Why does Hally’s posts count as derp clears, while Jimnay’s does not?

In the triangle of Dyslexicon, Hally and Jay there are always two mafia.

So it’s me and Jay, since you just cleared Hally from derps?

Like… are you derp clearing lock towning Hally, or are you accusing them? Cause that seems the tiniest fraction unclear

Why does Hally’s posts count as derp clears, while Jimnay’s does not?

Why am I town now?

I never scum read you.

I was asking Mac why he’s clearing Hally for reacting to Alison’s lies, but not you.

Of course, nobody should be cleared off of that, as mafia isn’t going to let it be known that it is a lie.

What is my reaction and why is it bad? Is this you trying to make me look bad after a red flip or something?

This got bizarre so fast. I bet it’s pretty hilarious in specchat in some way or another.

No you are sidelining hot takes that feel like cheerleading Jay in a really scummy way and even Jay noticed it.

Your yammering makes zero sense to me. Sorryboutit.

You’re accusing Hally and clearing Hally on breathing in and out.

Or I just don’t get it.

And I believe that if there’s scum between j/hally, it’s likelier to be hally.

Wild as it seems, Mac still could be town.

Oh wow, how amazing and interesting!

I will return later. Game game game

Obligatory

What if Mac/Jay are both town and the real scums are like Hally and/or Nook or something?

But I guess if I was to give you a snap answer I would say it'd be Dyslexicon first and foremost and then I'd need to probably re-read some stuff.

I think I’ve rarely been more obvious town in my entire mafia career. But maybe you’d have to be me to know that.

i think nook has felt wolfier here honestly

he’s just staying back and occasionally pouring fuel on the fire, and i feel he did that D1 too with how lazily he wolf read alison

Do we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?

Lolllllll

Random reflections without having read carefully:

Is Mac really this lost and confused? Are you lost and confused, Mac?

Maybe it's a mistake to take Wilgy out of the PoE.

@JaggedJimmyJay Why are you struggling so to read me? Can I help you?

I'm pretty sure I'm over my Hally suspicion. They did a towny.

Also, I want to read this game more carefully and be more present with it. I've been constantly in a state of dissociation when engaging with the game, which isn't as comfortable as I want it to be. When I eventually get to it, I might have less random thoughts.

when did you start trusting me more than jay?

A while ago actually.

When you said the thing about it being a disaster if me/Mac were both town, tipped it back for me.

if there’s anything i can do to make the game more fun for you lmk

Flip a mafia =p

It's complicated.
It's bad timing now, cause I've been out all day and about to go to sleep.

I'm sure you have some world view post or something like that, cause that may help.
Or just make it easier again.

I'm going easy route you/c4/jay town, I guess.
I could be there on Mac if you all agree-ish.
Not sure. His sorry for existing attitude was maybe towny for him. If real lol. But sure.

So.

From Mac

Spoiler: show

Dizzy, Jay and Axe are all lean town so far.

[VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Serious vote.

sup?

I think you'd scrutinize Dizzy a little harder if you found his behavior jarring, since I got the impression you were miffed at wrongly townreading him in GOC.

it’s jarring, i just don’t think really think it’s AI

dizzy is more than capable of faking tone/vibe as a wolf so i believe that he’s just down regardless of alignment

1) Dizzy is down.
2) Dizzy hates playing wolf.
3) Dizzy is more likely to be down if he is a wolf.
4) If Dizzy is down, he is more likely to be a wolf.

Which of these 4 statements is not true?

All of them lol

bro you 100% hate playing wolf we talked about this several times in the GoC

Dyslexicon is lock town never rescind btw

@Alison Why all this interest in my apparent down-ness via Hally. If you think it should result in an x or y read from Hally, why don't you have that read on me yourself?

I didn't even get the impression you were down this whole thing is weird

I am confusion then

I was implying you would be the easiest push to be making because you had been the scummiest slot yet nobody was which is a fact I felt would benefit the town to consider.

You're the easiest push to make though.

Spoiler: show

am I? damn.

Game felt so much scummier when Mac arrived, and not just Mac lol. Wtf is that all about

I can explain.

I arrived to the game with Nanook and Jay already voting me. I hadn't got into the hub yet so I legit figured I was mafia with Nanook and said as much cuz funny wifom. Then I saw my actual rolecard and then I decided to play wolfy on purpose to reaction test people and Hally failed it.

no I do probably have covid tho lol

How is your bloodpee coming along?

cleared up well thanks for asking

I don't really worry much about Mac. He's a lousy wolf that often wins.

this seems like a reason to worry about me

I have an idea.

All of you should blindly sheep me D1. Then if the person I vote flips GREEN you lock me as inno child. If the person I vote flips RED you policy me. How does that sound?

I fixed your version of this.

fucking foiled

I would love to hear everyone's town reads. It would be peachy keen. The more the better.

you dizzy Marmot

axe c4

nanook hally Alison

wilgy

Mac is probably town tbh
Add Hally, c4, Marmot and Radish. YES RADISH

Towncoreville wow

way to pocket me bro

I am the beloved princess so Nanook must be mafia.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

how can this be true when @Dyslexicon is the beloved princess?

Did anyone notice that I did the incredibly fool proof town tell of posting way past when I said I was going to sleep?

As if I wasn't town read enough already!

fwiw I usually find wolves do this more than town lol

I'm treating Nanook and Alison as claim and counterclaim.

This is also a little wack

Yeah, can't tell if wack or just Jimmay being SO SERIOUS MAFIA PLAYER

almost definitely rhe latter

correction naa's entire iso is townie

this post reminds me of how i caught mac in GoC when he declared sabie was lock v for no reason

like idk how anyone could think this lol

I read his iso and it was townie... explain how it wasn't? first 9 posts.

How about you explain how it's towny?

it's 9 fucking posts, why is the burden of proof on me? people are >rand town by default so the burden of proof is not on me.

just gonna let mac do his thing and see where it leads

my thing right now is that I believe that Alison, Dizzy, Jay, Marmot and you are all town more than I think Axe is town but you guys are so fascinated with my Axe read and also stir crazy that you're derping yourselves senseless.

it's 9 fucking posts, why is the burden of proof on me? people are >rand town by default so the burden of proof is not on me.

Yes, it is. You were the one with a (counter) opinion.

nup

Is this the part where we turbo jjj?

I mean, he would unvote to appease Hally as either alignment, I don't think it's ADDITIONALLY indicative. The fact that he didn't offer to unvote IS wolfy though, I think normally as town he's like yeah, I don't mind... But let's just see if other people are ok with it.

Here he was like YEAH IM FINE WITH IT

OH, other people aren't... Ok.

I don't disagree entirely with this.

so you disagree somewhat or agree partially?

There was a time in my life when I would have cared more. I think we're far enough along in this Day 1 though that it's not a crazy notion. We've used 80% of the time allotted.

Your math is wrong.

your face is wrong

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

You might be bad for doing things that won't lead anywhere. Cause your shit doesn't lead anywhere when you are mafia. I believe it's the number one difference between your wolf and town game.

c4 is pretty consensus town read.

Your particular brand of pouting isn't inspiring either.

Just my opinion man

well your shit only leads to a dead town so

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

You might be bad for doing things that won't lead anywhere. Cause your shit doesn't lead anywhere when you are mafia. I believe it's the number one difference between your wolf and town game.

c4 is pretty consensus town read.

Your particular brand of pouting isn't inspiring either.

Just my opinion man

well your shit only leads to a dead town so

Oh wow burn

no burn intended I am just trying to make you recognise the hypocrisy of claiming my play "leads nowhere" when your current play is to yolo a vote onto a town Mac

Funny you say that Jay because I don't believe that either of you would view the day as having played out the way that it did and think I had anything to do with it, do you really think that Alison goes over day 1 without the mafia playing a significant role in her demise? I don't.

I played maybe the biggest part, and I could tell it was a mistake as it was happening heh

that isn't helping my point right now

Mac. You’re open wolfing worse than me, regardless of your alignment. Sads.

These types of comments are why good chops on good players never go through.

Mac. You’re open wolfing worse than me, regardless of your alignment. Sads.

These types of comments are why good chops on good players never go through.

I’m voting Hally now.

You could join.

Nah pass, Hally is obvious town from derp clearing herself after Alison fake claimed mafia.

In the triangle of Dyslexicon, Hally and Jay there are always two mafia.

Firstly, it's two posts Jay. And it demonstrates that you are reading Hally with an agenda. Whether it's to simply pocket her or whether it's because you're teammates, either way you're mafia because of it. A Jay who has Hally in their actual POE of three never rules her out of the POE out of hand because of perceived disassociation reads. You are not that guy. And also one of the other two is now a dead town so her being disassociated to Alison is actually now completely irrelevant.

You are describing my bread and butter and saying "I don't do that". Wild.

Those two posts are separated by plenty of game thread. If you want to investigate my dealings with hally in good faith, you're going to have to open the ISO and actually look for the posts. You're omitting an absolute shitload, and you definitely know that already. Just incredible bullshit.

That is not you're bread and butter you are openly lying. You as a rule completely abstain from doing association reads until a red flip. You are so full of shit lol.

Fwiw I've seen him do the chart things during d1 pre flip

Whatever my point stands that he'd never outright remove Hally from the equation the way that he did without agenda. And tbh his reaction today has been far worse than any reason I had prior (Hally's and Dyslexicon's just as bad).

What is my reaction and why is it bad? Is this you trying to make me look bad after a red flip or something?

This got bizarre so fast. I bet it’s pretty hilarious in specchat in some way or another.

No you are sidelining hot takes that feel like cheerleading Jay in a really scummy way and even Jay noticed it.

What is my reaction and why is it bad? Is this you trying to make me look bad after a red flip or something?

This got bizarre so fast. I bet it’s pretty hilarious in specchat in some way or another.

No you are sidelining hot takes that feel like cheerleading Jay in a really scummy way and even Jay noticed it.

Your yammering makes zero sense to me. Sorryboutit.

You’re accusing Hally and clearing Hally on breathing in and out.

Or I just don’t get it.

And I believe that if there’s scum between j/hally, it’s likelier to be hally.

You also exaggerate what is happening for some reason. MR and Nanook have had no issues following my train of thought at all. Also you are acting like me changing up me reads and behaving in a weathervaney way is unexpected.

But I guess if I was to give you a snap answer I would say it'd be Dyslexicon first and foremost and then I'd need to probably re-read some stuff.

I have no real reason to townread anybody in this game honestly. If I went to level one and just gave Hally, Jay and Dyslexicon the townreads they so desperately crave I'm still left with a POE that's way too broad.

And then I'm left to wonder why Marmot died n1 over either Jay or Hally and I am just back here again.

Does C4/Dyslexicon make sense as a team?

@Master Radishes c4/dizzy?

I think this game is actually really easy.

There's a hard difference check between Nanook and Mac.

There is a difference check between Dizzy and MR.

If Mac is mafia, it's probably with Dizzy.

can dizzy be mafia with not me cuz that guy is scummy as fek

Conclusion

First off, sorry for the massive spoilers. I realize most of those posts on their own aren't "necessary". However, I think there's sometimes insight to be gleaned just from sheer volume. In a game with only two mafia, such extensive interactions as these are almost at face value something I view with an eyebrow cocked. Mac himself alluded to the objective of the two teammates to dissociate early and often. There are isolated moments at the local/micro level that I think suggest dissociation (e.g. the two actually annoying each other; I highlighted one example in Dizzy's posts). Globally/macro I might have a little concern about the constancy of suspicion without it leading anywhere serious. Light green.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks again @c4e5g3d5. Would you say the following summary accurately captures your conclusions?

Per c4, does Radish fit with...

JJJ? No
Wilgy? Maybe no, not conclusive
Dizzy? Possible
NAA? No
Hally? Inconclusive
Mac? Possible
Nanook? Very possible

Feel free to change if desired.

[c4e5g3d5]

Looks right

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dizzy and Nanook

From Dizzy

Spoiler: show

I'm treating Nanook and Alison as claim and counterclaim.

lol

You are so funny sometimes.

After careful consideration, I have concluded that Nanook hasn't said anything towny at any point, and if he was town, he would have by now. He just straight up doesn't care about his reads or finding wolves. Lock mafia.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

After a hot, steamy, sensual shower, where I thought about the game (I don't car about mafia anymore haha), I have concluded that Alison is also mafia. I will probably explain this in more depth later. Just wanted to let you all know.

Alison+Nanook

Btw running people up is kind of pointless if you're vocally unwilling to hammer lol, the whole point of running people up is to see what happens when they get close to a hammer, but there's no tension to it if everyone knows there are only two or three people in this game whod actually hammer lol

Who is vocally unwilling to hammer?

Literally everyone saying things like "I don't want a hammer" lol

Who has said that though?

Alison Jay you hally dizzy radishes I think have said some form of it

Idk I'm not fact checking right now that's just offhand

It goes without saying though. We all know who would actually push a hammer early and who wouldn't. S H R U G

Outside c4, there's a general view forming that Alison is a lead suspect. I would say so too.

If so, what implications does this have for the other players? I am sensing a little bit of discord in the consensus beyond this point (not an unhealthy amount, but an observable amount), and it might do us well as a group to sort that problem if it is a problem. Who fits with mafia Alison? What happens to your view of the game if she is town?

You are like actually very scummy with these posts. Have I just forgotten how to play with you. I'd vig you over most others in this game rn tbh tbh

So that was my reaction.
But to answer your question like a good citizen. Alison scum means town wins. Alison town means I look at you/Mac/Nanook/NAA probably.

Sure, im just saying its pointless to run people up if there's no threat of hammer, not that you shouldn't say it, cause you're right we all know there are like...3, maybe 4 people in this game that woild d1 hammer lol

The whole thing is just moot ig is my (non)point

We probably only get two mischops in this game. I suggest we eliminate the top suspect every time without regard for who it is. The game is unlikely to offer a wealth of time and chop resources to sort itself out. This might be speaking the obvious, but I don't think it's obvious in practice.

wait actually?

Yeah

Ew. Worse than pandas

I guess I'd take any flip among Alison, Jimmay, NAA and Mac at this point.

Less interested in flipping Nook rn, but meh

@Alison Of you town read Wilgy, I expect you to describe meaning to me trying to town clear them when Hally and Jimmay were voting Wilgy. Other people were able to. Unless you’re just not paying attention. My biggest issue, again, is your solve doesn’t have substance or the substance is weak/bad like in the case of MR

I should add that my reads aren't really that different to yours tbh.

c4/Marmot - shocked if mafia.
Hally - not shocked if mafia at all actually, but I still town read.
Wilgy - town just get with it
Jimmay - I actually just need someone to convince me one way or another, cause it's a mixed bag
Nanook - Shrug
NAA - Shrug
Mac - Playing some sour notes
Alison - Why is your reasoning for your reads on me and MR in particular so extremely bad
MR - Actually should do a lot more things

Question for the audience while I try to figure out interactions:

Is Nanook compatible with Alison? There's clearly voting animosity that exists, but it also strikes me as blank and not outside the realm of bussing. Hard to say. I welcome takes.

Yeah. That was my shower theory. I'm not as enthused about a scum!Nook here, but it's not impossible at all.

if alison flips town i really would kill NAA

if alison flips wolf soft clear NAA and look at mac probably

And Nook maybe

[VOTE: Hally] aubergine

no

do better

Ok.

You and Nook?

Obligatory

What if Mac/Jay are both town and the real scums are like Hally and/or Nook or something?

MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.

didn’t he leave?

Maybe. I only recall one post, in which he observed I don't usually act like this (@ Mac).

Which is true

It's generally true. It's a very easy thing to say when Jay starts yelling. Wow Jay is yelling, what?

It was more typical of me circa 2017ish

Sure. Imma vote Nook now

Nook/NAA would be underwhelming, but out of the question ig

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?

Sure, let's say MR/Nook. Which I think would make NAA's reads not trash, which is nice.

No. I think Radish is town. I'm the Radish friend.

so who are the wolves?

Nanook is probably one at least

"He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me

I actually think it's a decent way to read you. I sense you caring about expressing your reads when you are town.

"He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me

I actually think it's a decent way to read you. I sense you caring about expressing your reads when you are town.

....and you have a mediocre read on me, and read me wrong for almost exactly this reason last time, iirc?

I was wrong on one game we played on MU a while back.

In any case, my vote is still worth 1 so

From Nanook

Spoiler: show

Anyways, hally is town Jay is town dizzy is town mac is town

Ez clap

I no longer have town reads on Jay or dizzy

Btw running people up is kind of pointless if you're vocally unwilling to hammer lol, the whole point of running people up is to see what happens when they get close to a hammer, but there's no tension to it if everyone knows there are only two or three people in this game whod actually hammer lol

Who is vocally unwilling to hammer?

Literally everyone saying things like "I don't want a hammer" lol

Who has said that though?

Alison Jay you hally dizzy radishes I think have said some form of it

Idk I'm not fact checking right now that's just offhand

Btw running people up is kind of pointless if you're vocally unwilling to hammer lol, the whole point of running people up is to see what happens when they get close to a hammer, but there's no tension to it if everyone knows there are only two or three people in this game whod actually hammer lol

Who is vocally unwilling to hammer?

Literally everyone saying things like "I don't want a hammer" lol

Who has said that though?

Alison Jay you hally dizzy radishes I think have said some form of it

Idk I'm not fact checking right now that's just offhand

It goes without saying though. We all know who would actually push a hammer early and who wouldn't. S H R U G

Sure, im just saying its pointless to run people up if there's no threat of hammer, not that you shouldn't say it, cause you're right we all know there are like...3, maybe 4 people in this game that woild d1 hammer lol

Name 6 townies not including yourself. Get it right and you win the game. Anyone fancy a try?

Hally mac dizzy wilgy tbd tbd

We probably only get two mischops in this game. I suggest we eliminate the top suspect every time without regard for who it is. The game is unlikely to offer a wealth of time and chop resources to sort itself out. This might be speaking the obvious, but I don't think it's obvious in practice.

wait actually?

Yeah

Ew. Worse than pandas

Internal shudder

The you being dizzy but it applies broadly

I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

Well I think she's been pushing mostly town so

This is a valid reason to scum read, but I disagree with MR/dizzy being T/T

I think dizzy at least is likely town, and her other pushes that I've seen are some combo of me/mac/wilgy, so like...I think at most one mafia in those four and radishes

I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

Well I think she's been pushing mostly town so

This is a valid reason to scum read, but I disagree with MR/dizzy being T/T

I think dizzy at least is likely town, and her other pushes that I've seen are some combo of me/mac/wilgy, so like...I think at most one mafia in those four and radishes

why did you v read dizzy D1? and did you have a read on radishes?

He feels roughly the same as pandas

No

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?

Have you played with iawy before?

"He doesn't care" and "he seems flat" are just awful ways to read me

I actually think it's a decent way to read you. I sense you caring about expressing your reads when you are town.

....and you have a mediocre read on me, and read me wrong for almost exactly this reason last time, iirc?

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Conclusion

Nanook's read on Dizzy followed a similar trajectory to Nanook's read on me, albeit with a slightly more conclusive "town" stance lasting to the present. That parallel is probably decent for dissociation, but that will mean less to people who aren't me. I also think Dizzy's suspicion of Nanook has the feel of something not intended for the sake of distancing but rather being actual antagonism (for whatever motivations). Light green.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

stray italics on the loose, lock your doors

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dizzy and NAA

From Dizzy

Spoiler: show

does anyone have a reason NAA is a villager?

Well, his reads seems pretty bad.

I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

Uh. So you expect scum to openly hammer MR of he’s town? Seems dumb, to be frank. What if one or two are already on him?

Why is it either or. His wagon is pretty meh in any case. There’s plenty of time left in the day. Nobody expects a sudden hammer.

I don’t get and actually don’t buy that this is something you’re actually thinking about in this manner.

I would.

Well

Outside c4, there's a general view forming that Alison is a lead suspect. I would say so too.

If so, what implications does this have for the other players? I am sensing a little bit of discord in the consensus beyond this point (not an unhealthy amount, but an observable amount), and it might do us well as a group to sort that problem if it is a problem. Who fits with mafia Alison? What happens to your view of the game if she is town?

You are like actually very scummy with these posts. Have I just forgotten how to play with you. I'd vig you over most others in this game rn tbh tbh

So that was my reaction.
But to answer your question like a good citizen. Alison scum means town wins. Alison town means I look at you/Mac/Nanook/NAA probably.

i’ve been the main one saying she’s probably mafia the entire day lol

Ugh. I know that. Just

Nevermind

Last time you listed suspects or who you wanted to vote, you didn't include Alison, pretty sure. And your response here was pretty much a joke. It was just weird. Are you afraid of being wrong or are you an alien shapeshifter.

But still never mind

i’m just not sure i actually want to kill alison D1 because if she’s a villager i think she can clear herself over time, whereas i find it less likely NAA or wilgy would if v

but i do think she’s a wolf and i may end up just voting her idk

I kind of feel the opposite lol. I feel like Wilgy can be read over time. Not sure about NAA and he tends to be chopped or considered for chopping even if he's obvtown so.

But bottom line, I just think Alison is the most likely mafia so that's where I'm voting. I feel that's a pretty sound strategy lol

idk why i bother

My point is, I never put Alison in serious danger of being killed. (though I have been wrong on this before)

Heheheheheh

Is this the part where we turbo jjj?

I mean, he would unvote to appease Hally as either alignment, I don't think it's ADDITIONALLY indicative. The fact that he didn't offer to unvote IS wolfy though, I think normally as town he's like yeah, I don't mind... But let's just see if other people are ok with it.

Here he was like YEAH IM FINE WITH IT

OH, other people aren't... Ok.

I don't disagree entirely with this.

I guess I'd take any flip among Alison, Jimmay, NAA and Mac at this point.

Less interested in flipping Nook rn, but meh

@Alison Of you town read Wilgy, I expect you to describe meaning to me trying to town clear them when Hally and Jimmay were voting Wilgy. Other people were able to. Unless you’re just not paying attention. My biggest issue, again, is your solve doesn’t have substance or the substance is weak/bad like in the case of MR

I should add that my reads aren't really that different to yours tbh.

c4/Marmot - shocked if mafia.
Hally - not shocked if mafia at all actually, but I still town read.
Wilgy - town just get with it
Jimmay - I actually just need someone to convince me one way or another, cause it's a mixed bag
Nanook - Shrug
NAA - Shrug
Mac - Playing some sour notes
Alison - Why is your reasoning for your reads on me and MR in particular so extremely bad
MR - Actually should do a lot more things

I''m surprised Marmot is so willing to kill me on a whim.

Most players are willing to kill you on a whim. I will be willing to kill you on a whim all day phases in this game. This is an invitation to whomever this concerns.

i wanna kill NAA over mac and alison

to me NAA’s play just reads like open wolfing while daring anyone to do anything about it and then snickering to himself when he skates by

also the difficulty i’ve had getting traction on my push on him while other targets have gotten votes very easily indicates he’s a wolf

i see he’s since gotten a vote from marmot but idc about that because i v read marmot, and jay seems to be the only other person willing to push NAA with me and i v read him too, whereas it feels like every other wagon has been joined by people i don’t v read

NAA just feels like the play here

(There's only two wolfes, so traction might not be the most reliable thing to go after here).

In any case, I'd vote NAA any day, and especially this game.

Imagine it's Alison/NAA and both wolves have sat on my wagon for the bulk of the Day.

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.

would be surprised if it’s exactly NAA/alison just because it would be like a whole new level of wolf trolling lol, but i don’t think they’re v/v either

i would actually maybe soft clear the other if one of them flips wolf, so we should try to lunch the wolf in there

What exactly would be a whole new level of wolf trolling?

NAA opening the game saying he’s going to hard sheep his teammate and then continuing to do that and hard defending her even as she’s a consensus wolf read

it’s not trolling in a literal sense but it’s about as openwolfy as you can get lol

Oh. Yeah. I forgot about the sheeping part. That would be trolly, got you

if alison flips town i really would kill NAA

if alison flips wolf soft clear NAA and look at mac probably

Yeah

I was so shocked when Alison said she was mafia.

You can now kill me for TMI.

What is this referring to? You saying lol?

Nook/NAA would be underwhelming, but out of the question ig

NAA having trash reads, but it's NAI probably.

Probing NAA for explanations makes about as much sense as pushing Radishes to make relevant posts on Day 1.

It has the appearance of a genuine motion, but it has very little promise given the player being probed.

Not to stomp on your stomp, but I almost asked NAA about it myself, but then I remembered it was futile.

Sure, let's say MR/Nook. Which I think would make NAA's reads not trash, which is nice.

From NAA

Spoiler: show

I'm still sheeping Alison, but I kind of think JJJ/c4/dizzy has a higher chance of hitting mafia.

I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

Uh. So you expect scum to openly hammer MR of he’s town? Seems dumb, to be frank. What if one or two are already on him?

Why is it either or. His wagon is pretty meh in any case. There’s plenty of time left in the day. Nobody expects a sudden hammer.

I don’t get and actually don’t buy that this is something you’re actually thinking about in this manner.

I would.

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

I'm an ape, and I resent this negative connotation to the term.

Also, I think there's at least 1 mafia on Alison. relatively high confidence.

care to guess whomst? there are only 4 names there.

Top Guess: JJJ

2nd Guess: Dizzy

Somehow I think the other two are more likely to vote Alison D1 as town. And I think JJJ's been scummy in general.

I think we have to kill Dizzy here.

I would also kill MR. MR or dizzy best chances of hitting mafia

I would also kill MR. MR or dizzy best chances of hitting mafia

I know you're not the explaining type, but it would be valuable to me if you could just expand this by like one more sentence.

MR see Alison

Dizzy see voting history - idgi, it seems like the objective was to always vote Alison and to appear to be doing other things throughout the day.

That is all

I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

Well I think she's been pushing mostly town so

This is a valid reason to scum read, but I disagree with MR/dizzy being T/T

For me, kill order is MR, Dizzy, Nanook.

If scum is outside of that... Well, mistakes were made.

Kill MR, Dizzy, Nanook... The order doesn't matter. Killing Alison D1 was a travesty.

I think this game is actually really easy.

There's a hard difference check between Nanook and Mac.

There is a difference check between Dizzy and MR.

If Mac is mafia, it's probably with Dizzy.

Kill MR if Town -> Dizzy if Mafia -> Mac

Why am I and Dizzy in a dichotomy? That was an Alison thing and now it's an NAA thing and I don't know why.

You're both scummy, and I trust Alison sufficiently to carry her legacy out. This is why I sheeped her from the moment I thought she was town.

NAA having trash reads, but it's NAI probably.

This is not a towny take.

To anyone who cares to answer:

Who's the most likely player to flip mafia that is not contained in the following set: [Nanook, MR, Wilgy]?

Mac... No, Dizzy... Err... One of those things.

Conclusion

I don't get much from this on Dizzy's side. I think it's an okay look with respect to dissociation from NAA's side. His treatment of Dizzy, particularly toward EOD, is some of the stuff that I thought looked town anyway -- and in this particular context, I think it looks split from Dizzy. There's a degree of nuance in his read that he shared when prompted that he might not be getting proper credit for. It's only a couple moments like that, but it's something. Light green.

[MacDougall]

I am literally drowning in irony

we are hard difference checked so we can openly troll people together and never get suspected as partners so let's do that

Is there a better 21st century dancer than Jason sudeikis?

I say no, there is not

I nominate Dane Cook

[Hally]

ever since i said mac had the villageriest D2 his posting has gone back to being kinda underwhelming

still think he’s probably a villager but i’m a bit worried

(not actually here)

[MacDougall]

ever since i said mac had the villageriest D2 his posting has gone back to being kinda underwhelming

still think he’s probably a villager but i’m a bit worried

(not actually here)

get outta here scamp

pick slank cover from the following

a) It is Tuesday and yesterday was Monday. That makes them work days. I am an employed person.
b) My city has been in major flood for the past four days.
c) I am sick.
d) Me not posting is not scummy and stop making me feel obligated to post for the sake of not being suspected it's really lame.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mac and Nanook

From Mac

Spoiler: show

Nanook town hally town Jay and mac getting rolled

I haven't even seen my role PM yet but I'm assuming you're my partner.

Jay and mac already outed, mafia in shambles

Nanook town hally town Jay and mac getting rolled

Nanook spewing Mac as his partner.

haha mind meld

Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

I don't get it.

If I scumread Nanook I don't have any feelings of second guessing or doubt that I do if I scumread anyone else because Nanook has done nothing but post wolfy shit

Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

Thunderdome me daddy

not yet I've got to fart some more to tank my town meta

Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

Thunderdome me daddy

not yet I've got to fart some more to tank my town meta

Scumreading me is already doing that lol

if you read again you will see I'm not actually scumreading you

Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

Thunderdome me daddy

not yet I've got to fart some more to tank my town meta

Scumreading me is already doing that lol

if you read again you will see I'm not actually scumreading you

Pretending to scumread me will also do that

also not what is happening

I am confusion then

I was implying you would be the easiest push to be making because you had been the scummiest slot yet nobody was which is a fact I felt would benefit the town to consider.

Sorry you're outed dude rand god sucks sometimes

Lol this is interesting cuz I feel like an outed wolf and everything I try to reply here feels like what I'd say as a wolf but I'm not a wolf. Not often I feel something different like this.

Game felt so much scummier when Mac arrived, and not just Mac lol. Wtf is that all about

I can explain.

I arrived to the game with Nanook and Jay already voting me. I hadn't got into the hub yet so I legit figured I was mafia with Nanook and said as much cuz funny wifom. Then I saw my actual rolecard and then I decided to play wolfy on purpose to reaction test people and Hally failed it.

I would love to hear everyone's town reads. It would be peachy keen. The more the better.

you dizzy Marmot

axe c4

nanook hally Alison

wilgy

I reckon nanook and wilgy are the maf lol

Nanook is off to perhaps the worst start I have ever seen from him (with respect to alignment, not "quality").

Wilgy is a suspect by default.

Hally and Alison are a weird binary-exclusive case that could stand in for either of the names above.

yeh all this is pretty much things I think

nook is either exactly the beloved princess or mafia with no in between lol

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

his entrance is whatever but he's not as townie as anyone else lol

nook is either exactly the beloved princess or mafia with no in between lol

Wink wink

guys I think he's saying he's neither

I am the beloved princess so Nanook must be mafia.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

how can this be true when @Dyslexicon is the beloved princess?

I'm treating Nanook and Alison as claim and counterclaim.

be careful... fake claiming like this is entirely within both of their town ranges

I am glad we're in a game with the likes of Wilgy, MR, NAA and Nook cuz I'm confident they're at least all allergic to your bs.

Firstly, it's two posts Jay. And it demonstrates that you are reading Hally with an agenda. Whether it's to simply pocket her or whether it's because you're teammates, either way you're mafia because of it. A Jay who has Hally in their actual POE of three never rules her out of the POE out of hand because of perceived disassociation reads. You are not that guy. And also one of the other two is now a dead town so her being disassociated to Alison is actually now completely irrelevant.

You are describing my bread and butter and saying "I don't do that". Wild.

Those two posts are separated by plenty of game thread. If you want to investigate my dealings with hally in good faith, you're going to have to open the ISO and actually look for the posts. You're omitting an absolute shitload, and you definitely know that already. Just incredible bullshit.

That is not you're bread and butter you are openly lying. You as a rule completely abstain from doing association reads until a red flip. You are so full of shit lol.

Fwiw I've seen him do the chart things during d1 pre flip

Whatever my point stands that he'd never outright remove Hally from the equation the way that he did without agenda. And tbh his reaction today has been far worse than any reason I had prior (Hally's and Dyslexicon's just as bad).

What is my reaction and why is it bad? Is this you trying to make me look bad after a red flip or something?

This got bizarre so fast. I bet it’s pretty hilarious in specchat in some way or another.

No you are sidelining hot takes that feel like cheerleading Jay in a really scummy way and even Jay noticed it.

Your yammering makes zero sense to me. Sorryboutit.

You’re accusing Hally and clearing Hally on breathing in and out.

Or I just don’t get it.

And I believe that if there’s scum between j/hally, it’s likelier to be hally.

You also exaggerate what is happening for some reason. MR and Nanook have had no issues following my train of thought at all. Also you are acting like me changing up me reads and behaving in a weathervaney way is unexpected.

mac, jay and i are both town

who are the wolves?

Can be anyone really can't it.

That said. I have some problems with the day 1 gamestate that have caused me to become confirmation biased into this world and your reactions to me voicing it being as aggressive as they were forced me to go back and dig up arguments I didn't really have specifically planned out prior to voicing the read.

My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.

Can a mafia team of two say something like MR/Wilgy just coast while the town captains just work themselves into killing a townie looking Alison, even while MacDougall, who is probably the best Alison read here, is saying she is town? Of course all things is possible in the eyes of the lord. But as I find myself explaining a lot, mafia is a game of probability analysis and I find it more plausible that this would not be the case and that in fact the gamestate was being influenced to be malignant in a more direct manner.

My analysis indicates that one of you are near sure to be mafia now with Marmot and Alison both dead and town.

It is either that, or you guys are playing really badly. Like no offense, but that's the situation. Because I am town. I'll readily admit I'm also playing pretty badly though so you're not alone. But if you guys are town together then yeah you guys are having proper clangers.

i think nook has felt wolfier here honestly

he’s just staying back and occasionally pouring fuel on the fire, and i feel he did that D1 too with how lazily he wolf read alison

Do we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?

Imagine putting weight on socky awards

spoken like someone with no sockys

Imagine putting weight on socky awards

spoken like someone with no sockys

Watch it bub you're talking to the two time reigning host of the year and 2021 mvp finalist

oh damn sorry

Hmmm i still kinda think Axe is just town.

what about nook?

Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?

To me this game feels neither like easy mode nor hard mode. Middle mode is the vibe which has me in the realms of MR and Dizzy, for example.

what if it's just nanook and wilgy after all?

what about nook?

Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?

i don’t think he’s being obtuse about anything

seems like he just doesn’t care

I don't care about a large chunk of this thread, correct

what part of the thread do you care about?

At least half the posts from the higher posters, every time there's a piss fight, when it turns into a measuring contest of who's "contributed" the most, etc. etc.

sorry for contributing to this but like c4 telling me to "step it up" was lame... nobody needs me to flood the thread with garbage just to make myself look townier

I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

why

I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

why

I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game

cool i don't give a fuck about your read lol

I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

why

I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game

cool i don't give a fuck about your read lol

Ok

Jokes aside i do think he's likely town

where was the joke?

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

wilgy nanook final answer

I am literally drowning in irony

we are hard difference checked so we can openly troll people together and never get suspected as partners so let's do that

From Nanook

Spoiler: show

Jay and mac already outed, mafia in shambles

Nanook town hally town Jay and mac getting rolled

Jay and mac already outed, mafia in shambles

Nanook town hally town Jay and mac getting rolled

Nanook spewing Mac as his partner.

Thats fine as long as we kill him first

Nanook town hally town Jay and mac getting rolled

I haven't even seen my role PM yet but I'm assuming you're my partner.

Obviously

Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

Thunderdome me daddy

Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

Thunderdome me daddy

not yet I've got to fart some more to tank my town meta

Scumreading me is already doing that lol

Nanook is the easiest scumread to make here btw.

Thunderdome me daddy

not yet I've got to fart some more to tank my town meta

Scumreading me is already doing that lol

if you read again you will see I'm not actually scumreading you

Pretending to scumread me will also do that

I'm probably gonna get mischopped today aren't I lmao

Only if I have something to say about it

nook is either exactly the beloved princess or mafia with no in between lol

Wink wink

I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

Well I think she's been pushing mostly town so

This is a valid reason to scum read, but I disagree with MR/dizzy being T/T

I think dizzy at least is likely town, and her other pushes that I've seen are some combo of me/mac/wilgy, so like...I think at most one mafia in those four and radishes

Anyways there's probably one in jay/mac/axe but not both, and one somewhere else

Firstly, it's two posts Jay. And it demonstrates that you are reading Hally with an agenda. Whether it's to simply pocket her or whether it's because you're teammates, either way you're mafia because of it. A Jay who has Hally in their actual POE of three never rules her out of the POE out of hand because of perceived disassociation reads. You are not that guy. And also one of the other two is now a dead town so her being disassociated to Alison is actually now completely irrelevant.

You are describing my bread and butter and saying "I don't do that". Wild.

Those two posts are separated by plenty of game thread. If you want to investigate my dealings with hally in good faith, you're going to have to open the ISO and actually look for the posts. You're omitting an absolute shitload, and you definitely know that already. Just incredible bullshit.

That is not you're bread and butter you are openly lying. You as a rule completely abstain from doing association reads until a red flip. You are so full of shit lol.

Fwiw I've seen him do the chart things during d1 pre flip

Imagine putting weight on socky awards

spoken like someone with no sockys

Watch it bub you're talking to the two time reigning host of the year and 2021 mvp finalist

Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?

i don’t think he’s being obtuse about anything

seems like he just doesn’t care

I don't care about a large chunk of this thread, correct

what part of the thread do you care about?

At least half the posts from the higher posters, every time there's a piss fight, when it turns into a measuring contest of who's "contributed" the most, etc. etc.

sorry for contributing to this but like c4 telling me to "step it up" was lame... nobody needs me to flood the thread with garbage just to make myself look townier

Nobody needs to be sorry, the game doesn't exist to cater to my interests or preferences lol

I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

why

I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game

I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

why

I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game

cool i don't give a fuck about your read lol

Ok

Jokes aside i do think he's likely town

I'm hard shielding wilgy lol

why

I read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game

cool i don't give a fuck about your read lol

Ok

Jokes aside i do think he's likely town

where was the joke?

The "I've read him safely two games in a row" part was obviously a joke

Not that I have, cause I have, but that I think it means anything

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME any town reads apart from Wilgy and Mac?

Hally


mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one

mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one

One town between us or one mafia?

One mafia

So would it be accurate for me to say that you currently believe the mafia team to be c4 + Mac/NAA/Jay?

Believe is a strong word

I believe it has the highest probability at this point in time, sure

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Vote me harder daddy

145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

what’s the villageriest thing you’ve posted iyo?

Idk, I dont have to evaluate myself lol. I think I'm broadly in my town meta but idk that there's one specific thing that clears me. Maybe my entrance wrt mac and Jay or not forcing a read on axe, but

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

I am literally drowning in irony

we are hard difference checked so we can openly troll people together and never get suspected as partners so let's do that

Is there a better 21st century dancer than Jason sudeikis?

I say no, there is not

Conclusion

I highlighted an early exchange on the Mac side that I think looks decent for dissociation. If they made that sequence up on the spot it'd be a pretty creative opener for them. Mac looks like he is actually explaining his headspace rather than blandly answering questions that his teammate robotically puts into the thread by default. Just in a general macro sense, this interaction doesn't feel to me like past iterations of town/town Mac/Nanook have felt, where they've kind of understood each other on some implicit level and vibed around the game. This time is awkward, disjointed, and in disagreement. That suggests a disconnect to me. Mac has also more or less kept Nanook in association with Wilgy, either as a literal proposed teammate or as a co-suspect derived from similar reasoning. I can vaguely see potential agendas if I squeeze, so I will be conservative and call it light green. Generally don't think they're teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Folks.

We have the right to be suspicious of each other.

[MacDougall]

Hally's back and forthing on me is really annoying but supremely towny.

Jay has just decided to do the thing where if he's mafia he just wins cuz he tries too hard.

Nanook's fury is probably not mafia aligned cuz he's a good boy. This read disgusts me.

Early game Mac thought Dizzy was super townie, then Dizzy annoyed me and I scumread him. But in reality Hally sheep plus my early game feel means he probs just town.

Kinda just feel like Axe is town but I guess I could be wrong.

Wilgy and C4 are not aligned by Jay's standards and also mine.

So my solve is like...

Axe
Wilgy/C4
Radishes

Jay has C4/Radishes not likely, and Radishes/Wilgy unaligned. C4/NAA is maybe but not overwhelming. I probably think like the way the other three here have treated Wilgy spews him town. Radish/Axe is nope.

Soooo C4/Axe is my solve I guess. Bye.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mac and NAA

From Mac

Spoiler: show

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

What technicality soz?

I don't have a good reason to call NAA town. I kind of "feel" it, I think tangentially just by way of seeing Mac town read him and sensing that it's grounded. He's an alternate for the POE perhaps.

he said something good lemme find it

correction naa's entire iso is townie

c4 going against the grain on MR and making that catch on him is the villageriest thing itt so far

can i help you?

Probably not, I think you're mafia proxy Alison and I don't understand the point of this read on C4 / it almost seems like TMI for the sake of pocketing.

this read is pretty townie

I vaguely understand Dizzy's read on Wilgy. I am not sure I agree with it, but I get it.

I don't understand Mac's read on NAA.

my read on him is being completely overstated and dwelled upon far too much, it was an early game read on a person with 9 posts dude.

The following are reads. The categories are reads. The categories aren't ordered so it's not like a rainbow list, k

Having a good time on the highway into town
c4
Dizzy
MR
Town reads

Having a good time, but maybe driving the wrong way
Nanook
Mac
Dunno but gun to my head, town

Driving cautiously, both blinkers activated
Alison
Hally
Dunno kinda iffy

Stopped in the right lane at a red light preventing people from turning right behind him
NAA
"suspicious" I guess

Haven't hit the road yet
DrWilgy
Marmot
Eagerly awaiting

I decided to rainbow them so people know what the hell I am talking about

#shouldhavestayedinretirement

I'm good with sheeping Alison and see where it goes.

this post is townie because if axe is mafia and alison is town he's placing himself in a bad situation and if they are mafia together he's openly siding with alison which is just weird

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

this post is townie because he has made no effort to product a townie post on request

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

why do your reads strike me as fake?

A lack of understanding + I haven't actually seriously evaluated.

Combination.

see above explanation

tl;dr he feels like he's just being straightforward in a game in which he's not really motivated to push very hard the end

nobody has even made that big a deal of your NAA read? idk why you’re so hung up on that

multiple people have been like "weird read on axe" over and over and this is not exactly a game with a lot of content so as it pertains to things relevant to me it's quite prominent

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

I'm an ape, and I resent this negative connotation to the term.

Also, I think there's at least 1 mafia on Alison. relatively high confidence.

care to guess whomst? there are only 4 names there.

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

I'm an ape, and I resent this negative connotation to the term.

Also, I think there's at least 1 mafia on Alison. relatively high confidence.

care to guess whomst? there are only 4 names there.

Top Guess: JJJ

2nd Guess: Dizzy

Somehow I think the other two are more likely to vote Alison D1 as town. And I think JJJ's been scummy in general.

I suppose you could be right about Jay. He probably hasn't been as towny as he'd need to be to be as townread as he has been at least.

Mac, you don't have to have a thorough, developed explanation for your NAA read. I simply don't get it. That doesn't mean you're wrong or that you're mafia. I see the post below, interpret some measure of confidence from it (by way of the "entire iso" being referenced), and I don't really follow it. If you've nothing to expand on about it then you've nothing to expand on about it.

correction naa's entire iso is townie

and so is your face

I am glad we're in a game with the likes of Wilgy, MR, NAA and Nook cuz I'm confident they're at least all allergic to your bs.

jay’s trademark is D1 blind interaction charts

you are literally just making stuff up

Well no I just have zero recollection of him ever doing that and I am pretty confident that he doesn't believe that day 1 interactions are very valid.

Going back to the original point. Try to read this post with a clear head.

Jay said that he had you, Alison and NAA in his day 1 POE, of players that have made posts. He said you can't be with the other two so he ruled you out. Implying that anti-associations with those players are enough to rule you out. But then he added back in two players that were low posting in Wilgy and Marmot to his POE and didn't add you back in. Read this carefully. If those two can be POE, why can't you be POE? It doesn't make sense. His read on you has agenda.

mac, jay and i are both town

who are the wolves?

Can be anyone really can't it.

That said. I have some problems with the day 1 gamestate that have caused me to become confirmation biased into this world and your reactions to me voicing it being as aggressive as they were forced me to go back and dig up arguments I didn't really have specifically planned out prior to voicing the read.

My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.

Can a mafia team of two say something like MR/Wilgy just coast while the town captains just work themselves into killing a townie looking Alison, even while MacDougall, who is probably the best Alison read here, is saying she is town? Of course all things is possible in the eyes of the lord. But as I find myself explaining a lot, mafia is a game of probability analysis and I find it more plausible that this would not be the case and that in fact the gamestate was being influenced to be malignant in a more direct manner.

My analysis indicates that one of you are near sure to be mafia now with Marmot and Alison both dead and town.

It is either that, or you guys are playing really badly. Like no offense, but that's the situation. Because I am town. I'll readily admit I'm also playing pretty badly though so you're not alone. But if you guys are town together then yeah you guys are having proper clangers.

So the only person in both their POE is me, and I am town... Alison had four names above NAA and Marmot had NAA in there. I shielded NAA a lot on day 1. So the mafia are clearly me and NAA. Except I am town.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine?

@NotAnAxehole did you not have a scumread on Jay?

Alright, gang:

Alison flips town. What next?

Alison flips mafia. What next?

Kill JJJ

Kill Mac

Were you just joking here?

I think this game is actually really easy.

There's a hard difference check between Nanook and Mac.

There is a difference check between Dizzy and MR.

If Mac is mafia, it's probably with Dizzy.

can dizzy be mafia with not me cuz that guy is scummy as fek

From NAA

Spoiler: show

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

I'm an ape, and I resent this negative connotation to the term.

Also, I think there's at least 1 mafia on Alison. relatively high confidence.

Who are the wolves Mac?

Radishes and Wilgy most likely. C4 can be mafia.

C4 was my top mafia read early on... I think I would actually need to check this read in order to seriously hold onto it though.

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

I'm an ape, and I resent this negative connotation to the term.

Also, I think there's at least 1 mafia on Alison. relatively high confidence.

care to guess whomst? there are only 4 names there.

Top Guess: JJJ

2nd Guess: Dizzy

Somehow I think the other two are more likely to vote Alison D1 as town. And I think JJJ's been scummy in general.

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

I'm an ape, and I resent this negative connotation to the term.

Also, I think there's at least 1 mafia on Alison. relatively high confidence.

care to guess whomst? there are only 4 names there.

Top Guess: JJJ

2nd Guess: Dizzy

Somehow I think the other two are more likely to vote Alison D1 as town. And I think JJJ's been scummy in general.

I suppose you could be right about Jay. He probably hasn't been as towny as he'd need to be to be as townread as he has been at least.

Jay gave a list early on that was so outrageous to me (me, Alison, Hally as top scum reads), certainly after Hally more or less left wolf range (I think - Limited/No personal experience dealing with them).

I think Alison has done some towny things... And is over scrutinized compared to her regular game.

I'm town...

So I'm wondering what compelled JJJ to release such a terrible reads list, I assume it's just that he's mafia. I think JJJ voting Alison makes it incredibly likely one of them is wolf, and JJJ has been wolfy.

Alright, gang:

Alison flips town. What next?

Alison flips mafia. What next?

Kill JJJ

Kill Mac

@NotAnAxehole did you not have a scumread on Jay?

I don't know what I think about Jay.

I think this game is actually really easy.

There's a hard difference check between Nanook and Mac.

There is a difference check between Dizzy and MR.

If Mac is mafia, it's probably with Dizzy.

Kill MR if Town -> Dizzy if Mafia -> Mac

To anyone who cares to answer:

Who's the most likely player to flip mafia that is not contained in the following set: [Nanook, MR, Wilgy]?

Mac... No, Dizzy... Err... One of those things.

Conclusion

This one's a bit difficult to describe, but the vibe is light green for me. I don't think it's necessarily telling that Mac gave NAA the initial town read or expanded on it so (that's well within his teammate range). What means more is how that read has developed in the most recent history. I don't think mafia Mac has to be anti-NAA right now and probably wouldn't be given the opportunities I have given and perhaps a few others to just let him slide through Day 2. It would be unexpected at least.

[MacDougall]

by way of explanation, I found myself solving sync with axe mostly because the rest of the game early on day 2 wanted to kill me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

by way of explanation, I found myself solving sync with axe mostly because the rest of the game early on day 2 wanted to kill me

As I slowly complete this project, I think end up believing NAA is town. As always in this game the confidence isn't where I'd like it to be, but there are little nuggets I keep seeing as I search and scroll that give me this impression.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nanook and NAA

From Nanook

Spoiler: show

Axe is gonna be the Mario that saves me, I can feel it

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

My entrance was actually super townie but only axe and mac are gonna recognize it lol

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what’s your read on NAA? thoughts on my concerns above?

Dunno, not caught up

I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

Well I think she's been pushing mostly town so

I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

Well I think she's been pushing mostly town so

This is a valid reason to scum read, but I disagree with MR/dizzy being T/T

I think dizzy at least is likely town, and her other pushes that I've seen are some combo of me/mac/wilgy, so like...I think at most one mafia in those four and radishes

Anyways there's probably one in jay/mac/axe but not both, and one somewhere else

I know axe well but I have never claimed a god read on him

I know axe well but I have never claimed a god read on him

I don’t need a god read. I need any read.

Null, he's basically rand to me

I think Nanook can only read me when I town tell very hard.

Pretty much yeah

Occasionally off associative stuff with partners

I think Nanook can only read me when I town tell very hard.

Pretty much yeah

Occasionally off associative stuff with partners

What if I were to tell you that NAA has town told very hard in this very game?

Id say I don't believe you

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME any town reads apart from Wilgy and Mac?

Hally


mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one

mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one

One town between us or one mafia?

One mafia

So would it be accurate for me to say that you currently believe the mafia team to be c4 + Mac/NAA/Jay?

Believe is a strong word

I believe it has the highest probability at this point in time, sure

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NAA has made 99 posts. Must be something readable in there, eh?

Yeah probably

145 posts LiTeRaLlY uNrEaDaBlE

what’s the villageriest thing you’ve posted iyo?

Idk, I dont have to evaluate myself lol. I think I'm broadly in my town meta but idk that there's one specific thing that clears me. Maybe my entrance wrt mac and Jay or not forcing a read on axe, but

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME would you say it is typical for NAA to suspect you when you are town and/or when you feel that you are playing within your town meta?

Yeah I think so

Although he should actually have me town here if he looks at my entrance, but

It's not really outing for him to incorrectly push me afaik

Fuck's sake

Kill c4, find the mafia in jay/axe/dizzy/mac, gg

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

From NAA

Spoiler: show

I am the beloved princess so Nanook must be mafia.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

i actually think this could be w/w

alison slaps this vote down when mac brings up nook being wolfy and then it doesn’t really go anywhere and she moves on to NAA and wilgy

I might be convinced of this narrative. I don't necessarily think Nanook would be the partner though. I also more or less Alison to vote me at EoD based on how things have gone so far.

i thought alison did get to 6

NAA voted her to put her at L-1 (i think) and then nook voted her

unless someone silently unvoted during that time?

Nook was already voting.

I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

Well I think she's been pushing mostly town so

This is a valid reason to scum read, but I disagree with MR/dizzy being T/T

I'm aware that isn't helpful lol

Well, it's understandable at the least.

For me, kill order is MR, Dizzy, Nanook.

If scum is outside of that... Well, mistakes were made.

I think Nanook can only read me when I town tell very hard.

Kill MR, Dizzy, Nanook... The order doesn't matter. Killing Alison D1 was a travesty.

I think this game is actually really easy.

There's a hard difference check between Nanook and Mac.

There is a difference check between Dizzy and MR.

If Mac is mafia, it's probably with Dizzy.

Kill MR if Mafia - > Nanook

I think this one defaults to yellow just because it's pretty blank both ways. It's effortfully blank on Nanook's side, and NAA's view of Nanook seems to only twinge negative on occasion or rely upon associations. I don't feel alarmed by any of this, but I won't discount it outright.

[Hally]

i really must be tired because i’m tinfoiling a jay/mac world lol. i actually think it fits with their interactions well, specifically

- jay was kinda oddly defensive of mac D1 imo when i don’t think mac’s play really warranted it

- they had that big fight SoD2 that i can see as wolf theater. on jay’s side, it’s already been noted that he seemed uncharacteristically combative towards mac, and i think mac would absolutely go for that kind of theater here. it seems very much in his wheelhouse to have a big fight to look unaligned.

- since that fight nothing has really happened between them? mac has continued to take pot shots at jay here and there but not really pursued his suspicions while jay has gone back to town reading him, and mac is now town reading jay back

- i also think this team would kinda explain why the game has felt so frustrating

it’s entirely possible i’ll think this is dumb when i wake up and i doubt i’ll ever be able to pull the trigger on it but i’m throwing it out there for the #postgamecred

[JaggedJimmyJay]

c4 did the MR ones, so that's indicated on the chart. I am going to want to review these myself to verify my own feelings, because MR is a critical slot and c4 is himself enough of a suspect to demand a second look.

One immediate frustration here is that, while a number of teams seem to work, there isn't a ton of overlap regarding who fits where. There's a lot of [A and B] OR [C and D] without many overlapping [A and C] type options to narrow the pool. I also don't think I can eliminate anyone from the pool entirely here. c4's review is probably the best overall, because he only has two fits (and one of them I am dropping now for reasons). Still, c4/NAA should be taken seriously enough that I don't exonerate c4 entirely.

However, when I stare at this, there is one option that stands out to me. It isn't about the color, but it's about my POE, the fits that work, the progression of this game so far, and how fucking wacko the experience has felt to me ----> Master Radishes / Dyslexicon. The Alison team. The NAA team. I will dig into this and MR's other interactions tomorrow morning to see if that holds up, but at the moment that's my first guess.

[Hally]

nothing like a good 2am crackpot theory amirite

and with that i’m sleeping for real, gn

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hally's back and forthing on me is really annoying but supremely towny.

Jay has just decided to do the thing where if he's mafia he just wins cuz he tries too hard.

Nanook's fury is probably not mafia aligned cuz he's a good boy. This read disgusts me.

Early game Mac thought Dizzy was super townie, then Dizzy annoyed me and I scumread him. But in reality Hally sheep plus my early game feel means he probs just town.

Kinda just feel like Axe is town but I guess I could be wrong.

Wilgy and C4 are not aligned by Jay's standards and also mine.

So my solve is like...

Axe
Wilgy/C4
Radishes

Jay has C4/Radishes not likely, and Radishes/Wilgy unaligned. C4/NAA is maybe but not overwhelming. I probably think like the way the other three here have treated Wilgy spews him town. Radish/Axe is nope.

Soooo C4/Axe is my solve I guess. Bye.

You know there was a brief time in video mafia where I could be reliably scum read if I cursed past a certain threshold

Idc if people town read me for being annoyed with the gamestate but I wouldn't really townread me for "being a good boy," i am a firm believer that anything town can do mafia can too so

I mean if you want to that's fine I just want it clear that I unequivocally do not believe there are boundaries town can cross that mafia can't

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i really must be tired because i’m tinfoiling a jay/mac world lol. i actually think it fits with their interactions well, specifically

- jay was kinda oddly defensive of mac D1 imo when i don’t think mac’s play really warranted it

- they had that big fight SoD2 that i can see as wolf theater. on jay’s side, it’s already been noted that he seemed uncharacteristically combative towards mac, and i think mac would absolutely go for that kind of theater here. it seems very much in his wheelhouse to have a big fight to look unaligned.

- since that fight nothing has really happened between them? mac has continued to take pot shots at jay here and there but not really pursued his suspicions while jay has gone back to town reading him, and mac is now town reading jay back

- i also think this team would kinda explain why the game has felt so frustrating

it’s entirely possible i’ll think this is dumb when i wake up and i doubt i’ll ever be able to pull the trigger on it but i’m throwing it out there for the #postgamecred

I don't fault you for the impression, or for considering the world. Truth be told though, the fight between Mac and I wasn't a new experience. He and I have done that about 30 times over the years. He and Epignosis are the only two players I can say earn that rage consistently (no offense intended to either). It's a spirited exchange between people who [think they] know each other very well after years of play that can only happen when they don't read each other perfectly (e.g. Sloonei and I).

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idc if people town read me for it or whatever thats their business

I just want my beliefs on record, that I categorically do not believe there are things town can do in a game of mafia that it is unacceptable for mafia to do

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@MacDougall, MR/Dizzy would very much affirm your original thought that the Alison chop was mafia-driven.

[MacDougall]

i really must be tired because i’m tinfoiling a jay/mac world lol. i actually think it fits with their interactions well, specifically

- jay was kinda oddly defensive of mac D1 imo when i don’t think mac’s play really warranted it

- they had that big fight SoD2 that i can see as wolf theater. on jay’s side, it’s already been noted that he seemed uncharacteristically combative towards mac, and i think mac would absolutely go for that kind of theater here. it seems very much in his wheelhouse to have a big fight to look unaligned.

- since that fight nothing has really happened between them? mac has continued to take pot shots at jay here and there but not really pursued his suspicions while jay has gone back to town reading him, and mac is now town reading jay back

- i also think this team would kinda explain why the game has felt so frustrating

it’s entirely possible i’ll think this is dumb when i wake up and i doubt i’ll ever be able to pull the trigger on it but i’m throwing it out there for the #postgamecred

if you want an example of jay/mac randing wolf in the last year I can give it to you...

spoiler alert

day 1 - jay was eliminated he was mafia
day 2 - mac was eliminated he was mafia

lol

[MacDougall]

Hally's back and forthing on me is really annoying but supremely towny.

Jay has just decided to do the thing where if he's mafia he just wins cuz he tries too hard.

Nanook's fury is probably not mafia aligned cuz he's a good boy. This read disgusts me.

Early game Mac thought Dizzy was super townie, then Dizzy annoyed me and I scumread him. But in reality Hally sheep plus my early game feel means he probs just town.

Kinda just feel like Axe is town but I guess I could be wrong.

Wilgy and C4 are not aligned by Jay's standards and also mine.

So my solve is like...

Axe
Wilgy/C4
Radishes

Jay has C4/Radishes not likely, and Radishes/Wilgy unaligned. C4/NAA is maybe but not overwhelming. I probably think like the way the other three here have treated Wilgy spews him town. Radish/Axe is nope.

Soooo C4/Axe is my solve I guess. Bye.

You know there was a brief time in video mafia where I could be reliably scum read if I cursed past a certain threshold

Idc if people town read me for being annoyed with the gamestate but I wouldn't really townread me for "being a good boy," i am a firm believer that anything town can do mafia can too so

I mean if you want to that's fine I just want it clear that I unequivocally do not believe there are boundaries town can cross that mafia can't

I know man. I'm not gonna be all upset at you if it turns out you said fuck you to Jay on purpose to win as mafia lol. I just choose to believe it's >rand town for just about everyone.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall, MR/Dizzy would very much affirm your original thought that the Alison chop was mafia-driven.

I would not require much persuading that this was the situation. I thought Dizzy was hella town at one point but the way he was acting while I was having big angry vibes with you and Hally was super scummy to me.

[MacDougall]

no burn intended I am just trying to make you recognise the hypocrisy of claiming my play "leads nowhere" when your current play is to yolo a vote onto a town Mac

You're a possible chop. C4 is not. So it leads somewhere. Potentially. Your alignment is irrelevant.

If you want to understand my perspective. But if you want to moan, feel free.

this reminds me, i actually think mac’s moaning is king wolfy for him

when he’s v i feel like he gets motivated by pressure and is all “i’m gonna bitchslap the wokves now,” but his response here has felt kinda weaksauce so far

That's what I've been saying. He's moany, arguing points that doesn't matter and not really solving the game afaic.

But I almost feel like he's town playing his wolf meta, though I don't know why I feel this way.

now that I am confirmation biasing myself into this world I'd like to point out that this post is a scum claim

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It’s a rough post. Textbook TMI

[MacDougall]

Imagine I have the energy to quote a bunch of stuff that dizzy said while I was fighting with Hally and Jay and pointed out how wolfy it is. Then agree with it plz.

[MacDougall]

Hally is townreading Dyslexicon because Dyslexicon is pushing her and "that is what Dyslexicon would do if they were town", but like actually let's be real. Hally is actually bleedingly obvious town and town Dyslexicon would have that read and not be pushing her lol. Hally is just levelling herself out of the easier read.

Also noting Dyslexicon isn't even voting her, so Hally is reading Dizzy town for pushing her even though Dizzy isn't even pushing her really.

[MacDougall]

Now that Jay has given me permission to scumread Dyslexicon I find it very easy to find reasons to do so lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Imagine I have the energy to quote a bunch of stuff that dizzy said while I was fighting with Hally and Jay and pointed out how wolfy it is. Then agree with it plz.

I can't sleep so I will quote them for you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Obligatory

What if Mac/Jay are both town and the real scums are like Hally and/or Nook or something?

I will quote all the posts Mac mentioned a moment ago, but I want to highlight this one especially.

After Mac and I rip each other's heads off and Dizzy eventually settles into the town/town read, the first suspect to emerge as an alternative is... Hally? What?

[MacDougall]

Gonna vote MR now because Alison is a better being and I don’t want us to seem teamed

oh wait this post is literally just dyslexicon in full fledged wolf claim taking the absolute piss mode isn't it lol

[MacDougall]

Obligatory

What if Mac/Jay are both town and the real scums are like Hally and/or Nook or something?

I will quote all the posts Mac mentioned a moment ago, but I want to highlight this one especially.

After Mac and I rip each other's heads off and Dizzy eventually settles into the town/town read, the first suspect to emerge as an alternative is... Hally? What?

If you go back you'll realise Dizzy was scumreading Hally prior and when I attacked you both their first reaction was to encourage me to vote her.