Mafia Misplay Mafia

[Achromatic]

Byleth is pretty cool tbh, and the game doesn't suffer at all imo.


That being said which of my reads do you think aren't good? ;o

[Achromatic]

Oh and I am for sure 100% in my wolf range but also my wolf range is really big.

I don't think wilgy wants to read a nearly 20k post game, Sabi.

If I am alive at lylo having missed a lot you can just mercy kill me lol x)

[DrWilgy]

Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

Would you like his recent wolf rand

Because he can do this as wolf.

This is why I don't trust him.

I'm well aware of his recent wolf rand, and I see the similarities. I do think Achro is in W range and would call them a wolf read.

Do I think that there are better choices in the current? yes. Do I think if Achro is wolf, they'll get caught by town and later found associations? Yes, probably just like in two kill.

[DrWilgy]

Oh and I am for sure 100% in my wolf range but also my wolf range is really big.

I don't think wilgy wants to read a nearly 20k post game, Sabi.

If I am alive at lylo having missed a lot you can just mercy kill me lol x)

Don't type what I'm typing before I type it.

[Sabiplz]

Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

Would you like his recent wolf rand

Because he can do this as wolf.

This is why I don't trust him.

I'm well aware of his recent wolf rand, and I see the similarities. I do think Achro is in W range and would call them a wolf read.

Do I think that there are better choices in the current? yes. Do I think if Achro is wolf, they'll get caught by town and later found associations? Yes, probably just like in two kill.

Wait you read a 20K post game because that's what I'm talking about

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Byleth is pretty cool tbh, and the game doesn't suffer at all imo.


That being said which of my reads do you think aren't good? ;o

Honestly I hate byleth but I love literally almost everyone else around byleth so like...

Actually used to play under the name Hapi lol

[DrWilgy]

Alright

Nanook/Mac/Sabi Town can't change my mind

Alright. I think there's a W in Neon.

[santygrass]

Byleth is okay, but the game certainly suffers a bit because Byleth is too much on the face , they should've been more in the sidelines from some stuff and let the lords have their moments tbh

[DrWilgy]

Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

Would you like his recent wolf rand

Because he can do this as wolf.

This is why I don't trust him.

I'm well aware of his recent wolf rand, and I see the similarities. I do think Achro is in W range and would call them a wolf read.

Do I think that there are better choices in the current? yes. Do I think if Achro is wolf, they'll get caught by town and later found associations? Yes, probably just like in two kill.

Wait you read a 20K post game because that's what I'm talking about

I literally participated in it.

[Sabiplz]

Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

Would you like his recent wolf rand

Because he can do this as wolf.

This is why I don't trust him.

I'm well aware of his recent wolf rand, and I see the similarities. I do think Achro is in W range and would call them a wolf read.

Do I think that there are better choices in the current? yes. Do I think if Achro is wolf, they'll get caught by town and later found associations? Yes, probably just like in two kill.

Wait you read a 20K post game because that's what I'm talking about

I literally participated in it.

We are talking about fortress of lies.

You weren't in the game?

[DrWilgy]

Town

Neon
Sabi
HK
Porscha
Wilgy

Fuck knows

Nanook
Achro
Lily

Woofs

Ender
Esooa

Care to talk to me more about Esooa? I think they are town.

[santygrass]

I just noticed that Outed Wolf is voting Lily. They deserve to be yeeted 100% no mercy

[DrWilgy]

Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

Would you like his recent wolf rand

Because he can do this as wolf.

This is why I don't trust him.

I'm well aware of his recent wolf rand, and I see the similarities. I do think Achro is in W range and would call them a wolf read.

Do I think that there are better choices in the current? yes. Do I think if Achro is wolf, they'll get caught by town and later found associations? Yes, probably just like in two kill.

Wait you read a 20K post game because that's what I'm talking about

I literally participated in it.

We are talking about fortress of lies.

You weren't in the game?

Oh 20k, idk how to count. No I was referring to Two Kill as mentioned above.

[DrWilgy]

brb. 9 pages left. Need a snack.

[santygrass]

I can be your snack

[hollowkatt]

Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

[hollowkatt]

Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

ThE aChRo WoLf ReAdS aRe ThE fRiEnDs We MaKe AlOnG tHe WaY

[Achromatic]

Ironically I am town reading the people who have expressed what I feel is genuine concern for my play.

So you can yeet me just like, trust most of my town reads please x)

[Achromatic]

Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

[Sabiplz]

I can be your snack

*slaps anti santy sticker on the anti lucy gun*,

[Sabiplz]

Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

[DrWilgy]

I can be your snack

Are you low carb?

[DrWilgy]

Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

Wait, I thought I was kissing Mac?

[DrWilgy]

I can be your snack

*slaps anti santy sticker on the anti lucy gun*,

*Concern at the results of using the anti *sticker* santi gun*

[Sabiplz]

Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

Wait, I thought I was kissing Mac?

Everyone is kissing everyone.

[Achromatic]

I have read Ender's ISO now.

I can confirm it is an ISO alright.

My favourite part is the people scumreading me while coming to the exact same townreads I did.

This is my least favorite post of ender's because to this point his expressed town reads are:

Porscha and Lily

He may have hinted at others but unless I missed something it's like, two people.

Just feels like wolfy whining lol

[DrWilgy]

@Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Does this apply to Ender currently? Who's the Wolf here?

[Achromatic]

So town reads are town

Null
Visor
Jack - True Neutral
Santy

Wolf
Ender
Mac

To finish my list of things

I think I will learn a lot from ender/santy slapping each other around today.

[Esooa]

Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

I don't really see how you'd consider my reasons as checking out as much as you seem to considering most of them are saying your reads don't really make sense/are bad lol

[DrWilgy]

Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

Wait, I thought I was kissing Mac?

Everyone is kissing everyone.

Mmm.... Yes.

[Esooa]

[VOTE: macdougall ] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

So town reads are town

Null
Visor
Jack - True Neutral
Santy

Wolf
Ender
Mac

To finish my list of things

I think I will learn a lot from ender/santy slapping each other around today.

Mac is voting ender, what's your take on that?

[DrWilgy]

So town reads are town

Null
Visor
Jack - True Neutral
Santy

Wolf
Ender
Mac

To finish my list of things

I think I will learn a lot from ender/santy slapping each other around today.

Mac is voting ender, what's your take on that?

Oh wait, I'm high

[Achromatic]

Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

I don't really see how you'd consider my reasons as checking out as much as you seem to considering most of them are saying your reads don't really make sense/are bad lol

Let me try to explain and then get told that these don't make sense/are bad too.

Basically I try to place myself in your shoes and your knowledge of me. The way you progress through my reads and how you attack them I consider and go 'Ah, they don't understand why I do this or that" or "they aren't looking at the angle I am, but I can see the gears turning inside their head" and so I think it makes all of the sense in the world why you suspect me. I also think there might be a little hesitance if you were a wolf to double down on your read of me given your thread position at the time was the leading wagon and suspicion was kind of ebbing a little bit away from me.

Overall I have found your read of me to be easy to follow, logical, and in line with what I perceive to be your knowledge of me (very little if any?) and without any predatory behavior or ill intent. So that's a town read.

[DrWilgy]

@Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Huh. That's cool. I don't think my own personal matches up with this very well off memory but that's a cool idea to track that and it makes sense then. The first three on me I believe were lily/porscha/esooa and I have them all town atm tho

Tbh when I said the first wagon to get to 3 what I really meant was "any wagon that has 3 votes on it at the time I've made the observation always has 1 mafia on it". And if memory serves it has always been 1 as well and I think in this game that's even more likely to be the case. The thing is that if you already had 3, the wolf is unlikely to have taken their vote off you as well so I feel like that makes a difference check between Lily and Esooa.

Hold on, why a difference check as opposed to "not teammates?"

[Esooa]

Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

I don't really see how you'd consider my reasons as checking out as much as you seem to considering most of them are saying your reads don't really make sense/are bad lol

Let me try to explain and then get told that these don't make sense/are bad too.

Basically I try to place myself in your shoes and your knowledge of me. The way you progress through my reads and how you attack them I consider and go 'Ah, they don't understand why I do this or that" or "they aren't looking at the angle I am, but I can see the gears turning inside their head" and so I think it makes all of the sense in the world why you suspect me. I also think there might be a little hesitance if you were a wolf to double down on your read of me given your thread position at the time was the leading wagon and suspicion was kind of ebbing a little bit away from me.

Overall I have found your read of me to be easy to follow, logical, and in line with what I perceive to be your knowledge of me (very little if any?) and without any predatory behavior or ill intent. So that's a town read.

I mean, that's a fine opinion to have, and I don't really know anything about you. I just feel like it's weird that you've not been more concerned about people who wolf read.

It's not really important to you, though, not anything to discuss I suppose

I'm voting Mac for a bit anyways

[Achromatic]

Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

I don't really see how you'd consider my reasons as checking out as much as you seem to considering most of them are saying your reads don't really make sense/are bad lol

Let me try to explain and then get told that these don't make sense/are bad too.

Basically I try to place myself in your shoes and your knowledge of me. The way you progress through my reads and how you attack them I consider and go 'Ah, they don't understand why I do this or that" or "they aren't looking at the angle I am, but I can see the gears turning inside their head" and so I think it makes all of the sense in the world why you suspect me. I also think there might be a little hesitance if you were a wolf to double down on your read of me given your thread position at the time was the leading wagon and suspicion was kind of ebbing a little bit away from me.

Overall I have found your read of me to be easy to follow, logical, and in line with what I perceive to be your knowledge of me (very little if any?) and without any predatory behavior or ill intent. So that's a town read.

I mean, that's a fine opinion to have, and I don't really know anything about you. I just feel like it's weird that you've not been more concerned about people who wolf read.

It's not really important to you, though, not anything to discuss I suppose

I'm voting Mac for a bit anyways

I am guilty of being weird.

[hollowkatt]

Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

the best/closest I can come to articulating the read is that you're too laissez faire about the way you're being read. There's very little bite in your interactions surrounding how people are reading you and while I can totally grok changing up style and tone and methodology because lord knows I do that constantly it still doesn't quite sit right with me. It's a big reason why I'm not articulating it and/or pushing you with it because I'm not sure it can be trusted or whether or not I'm working off of outdated information/experience, or if it's just a tonal/style shift that I'm having a hard time adjusting to.

Which is why my conclusion is to sit on the read, remind others I have it on occasion, and see what people make of it. If I'm getting consistent push-back on the read form people I town read might mean I'm more likely than not to be wrong. If the push-back comes from people I'm suspect of there's a road of engagement there that I can work with, and finally if I'm not getting much push-back at all from either camp I assume I'm the wolf and about to die

[hollowkatt]

Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

oh I'm ok with that

[Esooa]

@Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Huh. That's cool. I don't think my own personal matches up with this very well off memory but that's a cool idea to track that and it makes sense then. The first three on me I believe were lily/porscha/esooa and I have them all town atm tho

Tbh when I said the first wagon to get to 3 what I really meant was "any wagon that has 3 votes on it at the time I've made the observation always has 1 mafia on it". And if memory serves it has always been 1 as well and I think in this game that's even more likely to be the case. The thing is that if you already had 3, the wolf is unlikely to have taken their vote off you as well so I feel like that makes a difference check between Lily and Esooa.

Hold on, why a difference check as opposed to "not teammates?"

I kinda glossed over Mac saying Lily and me were a difference check when I read this morning, because I had already sorta read the posts last night, but Mac actually directly saying that makes Lily's decision to abide by it and go onto me a bit more interesting

She also was saying for some reason there was a difference check in me/Mac or whatever, one wolf between us at least

[hollowkatt]

Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

Wait, I thought I was kissing Mac?

the more the merrier I guess

[MacDougall]

Town

Neon
Sabi
HK
Porscha
Wilgy

Fuck knows

Nanook
Achro
Lily

Woofs

Ender
Esooa

Care to talk to me more about Esooa? I think they are town.

I explained it

[Esooa]

Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

the best/closest I can come to articulating the read is that you're too laissez faire about the way you're being read. There's very little bite in your interactions surrounding how people are reading you and while I can totally grok changing up style and tone and methodology because lord knows I do that constantly it still doesn't quite sit right with me. It's a big reason why I'm not articulating it and/or pushing you with it because I'm not sure it can be trusted or whether or not I'm working off of outdated information/experience, or if it's just a tonal/style shift that I'm having a hard time adjusting to.

Which is why my conclusion is to sit on the read, remind others I have it on occasion, and see what people make of it. If I'm getting consistent push-back on the read form people I town read might mean I'm more likely than not to be wrong. If the push-back comes from people I'm suspect of there's a road of engagement there that I can work with, and finally if I'm not getting much push-back at all from either camp I assume I'm the wolf and about to die

Would you be able to explain your read on me any more than just vibes?

[hollowkatt]

So town reads are town

Null
Visor
Jack - True Neutral
Santy

Wolf
Ender
Mac

To finish my list of things

I think I will learn a lot from ender/santy slapping each other around today.

the longer jack goes without posting the more my desire to flash wagon him with minutes to go in the day intensifies

[MacDougall]

@Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Does this apply to Ender currently? Who's the Wolf here?

oh so he's town?

[Esooa]

FLASH wAGON

[Achromatic]

Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

the best/closest I can come to articulating the read is that you're too laissez faire about the way you're being read. There's very little bite in your interactions surrounding how people are reading you and while I can totally grok changing up style and tone and methodology because lord knows I do that constantly it still doesn't quite sit right with me. It's a big reason why I'm not articulating it and/or pushing you with it because I'm not sure it can be trusted or whether or not I'm working off of outdated information/experience, or if it's just a tonal/style shift that I'm having a hard time adjusting to.

Which is why my conclusion is to sit on the read, remind others I have it on occasion, and see what people make of it. If I'm getting consistent push-back on the read form people I town read might mean I'm more likely than not to be wrong. If the push-back comes from people I'm suspect of there's a road of engagement there that I can work with, and finally if I'm not getting much push-back at all from either camp I assume I'm the wolf and about to die

I will let you know when someone suspects me in a way I don't like.

Until then, feeling pretty good about the game. Even if I am lynched hopefully people will mostly sheep my town reads and it can be a town win. Then I can go back to playing video games.

[MacDougall]

FLASH wAGON

go on I won't even cri

[hollowkatt]

@Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Huh. That's cool. I don't think my own personal matches up with this very well off memory but that's a cool idea to track that and it makes sense then. The first three on me I believe were lily/porscha/esooa and I have them all town atm tho

Tbh when I said the first wagon to get to 3 what I really meant was "any wagon that has 3 votes on it at the time I've made the observation always has 1 mafia on it". And if memory serves it has always been 1 as well and I think in this game that's even more likely to be the case. The thing is that if you already had 3, the wolf is unlikely to have taken their vote off you as well so I feel like that makes a difference check between Lily and Esooa.

Hold on, why a difference check as opposed to "not teammates?"

basically a dif check = "there's always a wolf in this pair" whereas "not teammates" is generally used in contemplating whether or not the parties are wolves with each other. I rarely see not teammates used in a way where one would be town and one would be wolf.

[MacDougall]

@Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Huh. That's cool. I don't think my own personal matches up with this very well off memory but that's a cool idea to track that and it makes sense then. The first three on me I believe were lily/porscha/esooa and I have them all town atm tho

Tbh when I said the first wagon to get to 3 what I really meant was "any wagon that has 3 votes on it at the time I've made the observation always has 1 mafia on it". And if memory serves it has always been 1 as well and I think in this game that's even more likely to be the case. The thing is that if you already had 3, the wolf is unlikely to have taken their vote off you as well so I feel like that makes a difference check between Lily and Esooa.

Hold on, why a difference check as opposed to "not teammates?"

because there's always a wolf there if I'm right