Mafia Misplay Mafia

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean he's in my poe so like

I don't think a lot of thenstuff pointed out is really abnormal for Jack, but im not really gonna hard defend him either

[santygrass]

idk

why

this is me

extending you

an olive branch

you scumread him

you scumread me

help me bus

just not really sure why you've decided to do this

there are legit so many reasons

This is thing Queek only says when he is town-thing. But for beard-thing? Probably says it as wolf-thing about town-thing only.

Queek is frustrated by beard-thing's iso.

Can you elaborate why you were frustrated here?

Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?

This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show

When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

I think nook already asked, but they had another discussion after. What do you think of old-thing replies regarding this? Your read on Old-Thing in general would help me, yes-yes

Queek frustrated that beard-thing's iso does not show obvious other wolf-things. Is frustrating to you, too, yes-yes?

Old-thing probably still town. Queek does not listen to old-thing and nook-thing chatter-shriek about meta. Secret old-thing tell somewhat a joke any way-way.

Gotchaa. I dont have the same feeling cuz I see Mac Iso and see good unpairings yes-yes. And leaves me a good PoE of people who were kinda sus already like you/Hk/Neon (Neon maybe less) so my plan is to solve there and go Chop-Chop. 1 wolf guaranteed

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wowee

Guess you're gonna have to vote me, im uninterested in being dictated to about who I can and cannot talk about

It's anti-town to bog down the game thread by you two ego fighting for three game days.

It literally kills everyone's wim.

So yes I will policy vote you for restarting it.

Now look at other slots. There's 9 for you to focus on.

Is only bad for town-things if we all ignore old-thing and nook-thing because cat-thing say so or because we assume things are unsortable.

Only problem with old-thing and nook-thing fight is old-thing and nook-thing not solving other slots as much.

Seal-thing (im rebranding) has a town core he feels comfortable with

Tell Queek now-now!

nook do you think jack has wolf equity or am I being obtuse just cuz mac was being defensive about his slot

I mean, nothing hes done has really moved him out of poe for me, i would probably not kill him today cause I do think there's a decent chance mac mightve spewed him town and he does tend towards bussing/distancing, but

Don't really have an independent TR on him so I'm landing on high poe I think

if you had to kill outside of hk then who would you kill today?

Probably ris, off hand

My townreads are currently sabi/santy/porscha/wilgy/esooa, really anyone outside that group is *fine*

Talk to Queek about Porscha. Why is Porscha town-thing? Queek keeps asking and no-things will say-say.

Afaik their scum range is....limited

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Porscha is town-town. Look how they shade Mac at SoD for the Visor Kill. And in their ISO they just have a lot of towny thoughts. Protecc Frog-thing

This is also a good unpairing

[santygrass]

Queek has a full day left to sort-catch wolf-thing(s?) in snow, nanook, porscha and lily.

Easy task for Queek Headtaker, mightiest-best of all skaven!

This for example, I feel like you are not working much in this?

As in, I come noe and you were asking about Porscha. Snow is probably your cw by how Day has pased so you sorting if ris is town or not should be like... Vital to you if you want to solve9

No give orders to Queek! You want Queek solve in Queek's POE? Quit bothering Queek with silly-stupid questions. You should know Queek is town-thing already.

Queek must repent for their town-reading Mac sins. So work Queek, work! *Takes out their Whip*

[santygrass]

Like,even if Mac flipped town how Jack voted at EoD is bad. And in general is bad fwiw.

Probably should relook at some post from EoD that maybe I confbiased as circlejrking or something with hollowkatt tho, cuz at that moment I wanted Mac's blood and they were in my way

yes I agree with the general shielding of each other but I also know that jack was riding the "santy is wolf" wave all of day 1 day 2 and only put you as town now. could have been a fake reason for his voting on you instead of mac

Porscha: Queek suspects Santy BEFORE wagon on beard-thing.

Also Porscha: Maybe Queek fake thinks Santy is wolf-thing only to avoid voting beard-thing.

Do you have post expressing suspicion before your vote on me? When you voted me in D2 wagons were 4-4 with Mac thanks to your vote

[santygrass]

I am asking more of you Jack cuz if you are town you are in a privileged position to solve the game . Queek must take advantage of their superior position to sniff out wolf-things. Even if it comes to the worst scenario and Queek dies, their legacy will live forever and can help town win.

I am both asking you stuff cause I want to still give you a chance, but at the same time think that scumhunting/solving PoE is +ev in PoE

[santygrass]

This is you now Queek. You have to prove your woth by sniffing a wolf to us if you want your freedom back

[Jackofhearts2005]

So like legit? Fuck that. I'll do my best for certain values of best but I'm not gonna play another mountainous game where many players suspect me for pretty surface level reasons and I work my tail off to find the wolves and get no results and no credit for it. That was awful the first time.

[Porscha]

Like,even if Mac flipped town how Jack voted at EoD is bad. And in general is bad fwiw.

Probably should relook at some post from EoD that maybe I confbiased as circlejrking or something with hollowkatt tho, cuz at that moment I wanted Mac's blood and they were in my way

yes I agree with the general shielding of each other but I also know that jack was riding the "santy is wolf" wave all of day 1 day 2 and only put you as town now. could have been a fake reason for his voting on you instead of mac

Porscha: Queek suspects Santy BEFORE wagon on beard-thing.

Also Porscha: Maybe Queek fake thinks Santy is wolf-thing only to avoid voting beard-thing.

Sorry queek I'm just a dum-dum who was mistaken on when you were doing what

[Lilypetal]

Like imo if u just read my interactions with mac and esooa's interactions with mac day 1 and 2 it clears us. It's not partners and there's literally 0 benefit to play like that in a game of this volume. I think wolves are just staying FAR apart

Lily probably most town-thing in Queek's POE but Queek is frustrated Lily says things that would make you think she is not voting for Queek but she is. Idiot-fool flower-thing.

I stated in a later post that I am okay to flip anyone in the poe. My vote doesn't matter until eod anyway

[Lilypetal]

So like legit? Fuck that. I'll do my best for certain values of best but I'm not gonna play another mountainous game where many players suspect me for pretty surface level reasons and I work my tail off to find the wolves and get no results and no credit for it. That was awful the first time.

LOL LETS GOOOOO NO GIMMICK POST

[hollowkatt]

So like legit? Fuck that. I'll do my best for certain values of best but I'm not gonna play another mountainous game where many players suspect me for pretty surface level reasons and I work my tail off to find the wolves and get no results and no credit for it. That was awful the first time.

LOL LETS GOOOOO NO GIMMICK POST

obvs town jack is obvs town taking him out of my POE immediately

[DrWilgy]

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy remind me why you're SRing neon? The spark notes version is good

The gut says so

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm no longer TRing wilgy lol

[DrWilgy]

No more talks of hk vs Nook.

No no topic.

I will policy vote anyone bringing it up again.

Let's be productive folks. It's been three game days of tat shit fest.

Why tho

Bruh.

Have you not read the thread.

It's been a cancer to thread health and vibes in here.

Wgz I'm rethinking this lock town status for you

I literally killed Mac in cold blood.

I'm 100% town 100% of the time and to think otherwise would be silly.

And no I haven't read the thread since day 1.

Whenever someone says this I start to think they are very much not town

And that's just a silly gut response that weakens PoE.

Orrrr people who exclaim their supposed obvious townyness are often not actually towny at all.

Why do I have any reason that your supposed killing of Mac in cold blood wasn't just for #TownCred#

Mac was a dead man walking since like halfway thru day 1 he was pretty much PoE the whole game which is a BIG reason why I defended the slot cause it felt like everyone was SRing him.

I'd be baffled to find that as a firm statistic.

Why the hell would I bus rather than be bussed if I was a wolf lol.

Mac was only dead because of early pushes against him, mine included. It's silly to think otherwise.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I still have a pretty strong townread on Wilgy

[Porscha]

this is me

extending you

an olive branch

you scumread him

you scumread me

help me bus

just not really sure why you've decided to do this

there are legit so many reasons

This is thing Queek only says when he is town-thing. But for beard-thing? Probably says it as wolf-thing about town-thing only.

Queek is frustrated by beard-thing's iso.

Can you elaborate why you were frustrated here?

Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?

This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show

When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

I think nook already asked, but they had another discussion after. What do you think of old-thing replies regarding this? Your read on Old-Thing in general would help me, yes-yes

Queek frustrated that beard-thing's iso does not show obvious other wolf-things. Is frustrating to you, too, yes-yes?

Old-thing probably still town. Queek does not listen to old-thing and nook-thing chatter-shriek about meta. Secret old-thing tell somewhat a joke any way-way.

Gotchaa. I dont have the same feeling cuz I see Mac Iso and see good unpairings yes-yes. And leaves me a good PoE of people who were kinda sus already like you/Hk/Neon (Neon maybe less) so my plan is to solve there and go Chop-Chop. 1 wolf guaranteed

Dont worry jack, mac's iso is undoubtedly frustrating. Dont listen to santy lying that it's not frustrating

[Porscha]

It's anti-town to bog down the game thread by you two ego fighting for three game days.

It literally kills everyone's wim.

So yes I will policy vote you for restarting it.

Now look at other slots. There's 9 for you to focus on.

Is only bad for town-things if we all ignore old-thing and nook-thing because cat-thing say so or because we assume things are unsortable.

Only problem with old-thing and nook-thing fight is old-thing and nook-thing not solving other slots as much.

Seal-thing (im rebranding) has a town core he feels comfortable with

Tell Queek now-now!

nook do you think jack has wolf equity or am I being obtuse just cuz mac was being defensive about his slot

I mean, nothing hes done has really moved him out of poe for me, i would probably not kill him today cause I do think there's a decent chance mac mightve spewed him town and he does tend towards bussing/distancing, but

Don't really have an independent TR on him so I'm landing on high poe I think

if you had to kill outside of hk then who would you kill today?

Probably ris, off hand

My townreads are currently sabi/santy/porscha/wilgy/esooa, really anyone outside that group is *fine*

Talk to Queek about Porscha. Why is Porscha town-thing? Queek keeps asking and no-things will say-say.

Afaik their scum range is....limited

YOU DONT HAVE TO SAY IT LIKE THAT

[Porscha]

Anyway eod is in 5 hours ya? I'm gonna be working almost all of that time but I'll do my best to pop in and try to keep updated.

I'm not liking the state of the game rn tho.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I still might take the time to go over my POE.

I'm feeling a little better on Nanook. Possibly undeserved. It's not out of Nanook's wolf range for him to lightly townread me, lightly poopoo pushes on me but ultimately tunnel a player who isn't going to get yeeted while also not stopping me from getting yeeted. He's a good enough wolf to do that. He knows me well enough and he knows HK well enough to do that. But my gut says that Nanook is town, here. You can go to me high profile townreading Nanook in our champs qualifier (6 or 7) early on and then putting him back in my POE and working out a (not really applicable to this game because it was based on nightkills, tbf) reason to suspect him but dying before I really acted on it. And you can see me incorrectly tunnel him for a bit in our champs semifinal before then going "Oh wait, Nanook is always town here, duh" when Achro pointed out that my case was exactly backwards. So....yeah. I have a mixed record of reading Nanook, especially lately and especially in mountainous. But I'd argue that I had him right both times in the end and while I'm not certain, I do think this is town Nanook. I don't think it's because his tunnel on HK is particularly townie. I think his reaction to HK is an understandable one. The meta lines up from certain points of view to say HK is a wolf. HK keeps throwing fits and Nanook (like myself) is one to flat reject ATE. So it's less "This is town indicative for Nanook" wrt HK and more "this is not wolf indicative for Nanook." I think the way he has treated me is townie, though. We had similar (bad) experiences in semis this year and gets my mindset of being burnt out. He's not saying I'm town but he is knocking down bad arguments for me to be a wolf and since those are most of the arguments...

If I look here further, it'll be wrt how Nanook treated Mac and how Mac treated Nanook. I wouldn't mind anyone who has already done that work to point me in that direction.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I want the "Porscha is bad at being a wolf" read to be correct. I want it to be correct so that I don't have to dig into Porscha.

The problem is that if it is correct, the wolves are like exactly Snow and someone who I am incorrectly reading town.

I've barely looked at Porscha. I might not bother looking at Porscha because Nanook, HK and Santy have all expressed unwillingness to vote there so it might be a flat waste of time. If I come out of everything with a townread on Snow, I'll likely dig into here under the idea that I'm probably dead in the water and maybe Porscha is the wolf and maybe if I go to the gallows screaming Porscha, people will look there and also find her. But for now, I don't have the energy to dig into a player that is probably just town and probably doesn't get yeeted over me anyway.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Santy is probably a top suspect for the "deepwolf" if it's exactly Mac+Snow+Deepwolf.

I'm not willing to yeet Santy today unless he's the only viable counterwagon (and I don't think there's anyone I townread so hard as to not self preserve against. Maybe Sabi). I think there are some exchanges between Mac and Santy that look unteamed. But he is a player I previously scumread and with both Mac and Santy on the chopping block for awhile, it'd not impossible for the two of them to have worked to create some good distancing. He's also the player who is going after me the hardest.

An angle I might check with is how Santy specifically treated Mac D1. The initial reason for me suspecting Santy is because I felt like he was being too polite and too appeasy. Like he was trying to skate by and pocket rather than solve. Was he just as polite to Mac before Mac gathered suspicion?

This is another "if my fate is sealed" exercise that I would love if someone happened to have already done this work.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is only bad for town-things if we all ignore old-thing and nook-thing because cat-thing say so or because we assume things are unsortable.

Only problem with old-thing and nook-thing fight is old-thing and nook-thing not solving other slots as much.

Seal-thing (im rebranding) has a town core he feels comfortable with

Tell Queek now-now!

I mean, nothing hes done has really moved him out of poe for me, i would probably not kill him today cause I do think there's a decent chance mac mightve spewed him town and he does tend towards bussing/distancing, but

Don't really have an independent TR on him so I'm landing on high poe I think

if you had to kill outside of hk then who would you kill today?

Probably ris, off hand

My townreads are currently sabi/santy/porscha/wilgy/esooa, really anyone outside that group is *fine*

Talk to Queek about Porscha. Why is Porscha town-thing? Queek keeps asking and no-things will say-say.

Afaik their scum range is....limited

YOU DONT HAVE TO SAY IT LIKE THAT

I was trying to be diplomatic!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I miss queek

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm not really as confident on Wilgy as I was earlier.

I think these posts look good for Wilgy.

I veto the kingmaker.

I want to play mafia not follow an angry old aussie man.

you sound jealous

Nah I'm good love. I like being young and not aussie.

What's so wrong with Mac as king tho?

I like how I'm always nice to sabi and defending her from haters and just get shat on by them in exchange. Super cool stuff tbh.

kek

ok I'm going to try to maintain a nice positive atmosphere for our new friends to enjoy so that will be the last of my toxicity for this game

AAAAAAAAAAH wolf Mac.

Sabi was right to SPECIFICALLY dislike kingmaker on the premise that MAC is king.

elaborate

I didn't read any of your previous posts as toxic. Feels weird for you to say you aren't going to be toxic, when I only saw disgruntlement.

You caught Sabi very clearly last game I saw you play, is this the same Sabi?

@Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Huh. That's cool. I don't think my own personal matches up with this very well off memory but that's a cool idea to track that and it makes sense then. The first three on me I believe were lily/porscha/esooa and I have them all town atm tho

Tbh when I said the first wagon to get to 3 what I really meant was "any wagon that has 3 votes on it at the time I've made the observation always has 1 mafia on it". And if memory serves it has always been 1 as well and I think in this game that's even more likely to be the case. The thing is that if you already had 3, the wolf is unlikely to have taken their vote off you as well so I feel like that makes a difference check between Lily and Esooa.

Hold on, why a difference check as opposed to "not teammates?"

@DrWilgy whenever you catch up and get situated can I get your updated thots and world view

Sure thing. I'm still currently in the boat of:
I had some real W vibes towards Neon and Wiggin.

No notification responses have modified that.

This whole Mac/Esooa/Lily diff check thing is odd and I'm not sure what it makes me think of the three.

By Wiggins do you mean ender?

Hmmm expand on the difference check thing?

Yis.

The diff check thing stands out to me, mainly because it's a VERY specific thing to see and claim exists.

Mac's claim of one is also based on 2 factors that can be false, unless he knows them to be true ofc. Which fills me with doubt. That also didn't feel like Confident Mac, it felt like tactical Mac.

Lily's claim on a check between Esooa and Mac I haven't seen reasoning for yet, but also seems strange, but less AI because of lessened context.

Lastly Esooa's take on it stands out to me as I see this as significant. I however know I see things as important sometimes that truly are nothing.

Simply put, I want more data.

I think these posts look kinda bad for Wilgy.

I didn't read any of your previous posts as toxic. Feels weird for you to say you aren't going to be toxic, when I only saw disgruntlement.

You caught Sabi very clearly last game I saw you play, is this the same Sabi?

No sabi is a lot less wooden than she was in that game.

I called Sabi bad at mafia. I invited most of these players and wanted to foster a positive threadstate and almost immediately failed in my goal. That's all that statement is. I like this new robust and productive Wilgy. Keep it up.

Positivity shmozitivity.

Meh, still think your post was slightly wolfy.

Not as wolfy as ender, but just slight. I don't know if disheartened Mac uses the vernacular used. Like, perhaps disgruntlement as we saw, yes, but a shift and declared shift. This early? This time of day? This time of year? Isolated entirely within day 1?

You're asking what question exactly?

Does disheartened Mac make a claim that they are shifting in procedure due to toxicity that I didn't see present?

Or is this a means for wolf Mac to shift tone/narrative before things are out of his control?

The question only really exists because I disagree with you claimed there was something toxic in your tone/voice that I didn't see. It's a strange contradiction.

There was no such claim. I was getting annoyed by Sabi and said something nasty and was feeling inclined to continue it and chose not to. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

probably

AAAAAAAAAAH wolf Mac.

Sabi was right to SPECIFICALLY dislike kingmaker on the premise that MAC is king.

elaborate

I didn't read any of your previous posts as toxic. Feels weird for you to say you aren't going to be toxic, when I only saw disgruntlement.

You caught Sabi very clearly last game I saw you play, is this the same Sabi?

No sabi is a lot less wooden than she was in that game.

I called Sabi bad at mafia. I invited most of these players and wanted to foster a positive threadstate and almost immediately failed in my goal. That's all that statement is. I like this new robust and productive Wilgy. Keep it up.

Positivity shmozitivity.

Meh, still think your post was slightly wolfy.

Not as wolfy as ender, but just slight. I don't know if disheartened Mac uses the vernacular used. Like, perhaps disgruntlement as we saw, yes, but a shift and declared shift. This early? This time of day? This time of year? Isolated entirely within day 1?

probably good post

Why is this? Both Posrcha and Mac seemed to agree that I was making much of nothing.

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Huh. That's cool. I don't think my own personal matches up with this very well off memory but that's a cool idea to track that and it makes sense then. The first three on me I believe were lily/porscha/esooa and I have them all town atm tho

Tbh when I said the first wagon to get to 3 what I really meant was "any wagon that has 3 votes on it at the time I've made the observation always has 1 mafia on it". And if memory serves it has always been 1 as well and I think in this game that's even more likely to be the case. The thing is that if you already had 3, the wolf is unlikely to have taken their vote off you as well so I feel like that makes a difference check between Lily and Esooa.

Hold on, why a difference check as opposed to "not teammates?"

because there's always a wolf there if I'm right

Aye, so if you are right.

Meaning conditionally, Achro is T and Porscha is T then an actual diff check exists in this scenario?

Like, they're generally too softball with Mac and easy to fake.


And this last post is just something I found while going through this. Wilgy expressed an early townread of Esooa, particularly when pointing out the difference between his townread there and Mac's wolfread. Idk if this is that important but it's weird to ask why someone is town if you also townread them. Idk.

@DrWilgy whenever you catch up and get situated can I get your updated thots and world view

Sure thing. I'm still currently in the boat of:
I had some real W vibes towards Neon and Wiggin.

No notification responses have modified that.

This whole Mac/Esooa/Lily diff check thing is odd and I'm not sure what it makes me think of the three.

By Wiggins do you mean ender?

Hmmm expand on the difference check thing?

Yis.

The diff check thing stands out to me, mainly because it's a VERY specific thing to see and claim exists.

Mac's claim of one is also based on 2 factors that can be false, unless he knows them to be true ofc. Which fills me with doubt. That also didn't feel like Confident Mac, it felt like tactical Mac.

Lily's claim on a check between Esooa and Mac I haven't seen reasoning for yet, but also seems strange, but less AI because of lessened context.

Lastly Esooa's take on it stands out to me as I see this as significant. I however know I see things as important sometimes that truly are nothing.

Simply put, I want more data.

I said any of that so long ago that I forgot why tbh

At this point esooa is obv town mac isn't that's all I know

Why is Esooa town?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

hmm, how do i prove that i'm not paired with santy so that sabi can reevaluate their poe....

you pretty much can't after santy turned into a vest made out of kevlar for you and you said thank you very much sir

Oof. If Snow-thing is not a wolf-thing, this post is bad-bad.

I think it's a pretty accurate representation of this entire day

What is accurate?

What Porscha says? Porscha's posts being bad-bad? The whole day-day?

Porscha

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm no longer TRing wilgy lol

*points at this*

[Jackofhearts2005]

Snow's iso doesn't have a smoking gun but Mac is in the middle of her read list and none of their interactions look impossible to fake.

I'm now voting for Snow for a few reasons.

1) They are the most likely Mac teammate I see after having read everybody in my POE. I'd like the wagons to be between Snow and myself over say...Nanook and myself or Santy and myself.

2) They a voting me anyway so there's no downside.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I do not and don't think I ever will understand why everyone in this game is exclaiming that their pushes and shade on Macs slot makes them town.

I know a Mac that had us pushing him day 1 as wolf team. A Mac that told us to purposely bus the fuck out of him and despite us doing that he never went over.

Mac felt weird this game and he didn't talk his way out of it like he did in that game he didn't go over D1 he was an easy bus target he still almost talked his way out of it even though he felt weirdly off got me to belive it. Everyone exclaiming their innocence from his flip or demanding his pelt just feels weird to me.

[DrWilgy]

What an enjoyable way to begin a game of mafia. I am truly enthused and wish to participate further.

Stop pouting and lean into it or ignore them smh

why is it that people always say this to me instead of telling the person antagonising me to knock it off? it's almost as annoying as the actual trolling tbh.

I don't think Nook belongs in the PoE for this one.

[DrWilgy]

I have no wolf reads

that must mean it is us who are the wolves

Does Mac open wolf with Esooa?

[DrWilgy]

Town

Neon
Sabi
HK
Porscha
Wilgy

Fuck knows

Nanook
Achro
Lily

Woofs

Ender
Esooa

Esooa removed from PoE.

Neon in town read when they had not yet really done anything in the game is Mac bait. Not sure if He baits with a teammate or not.

Ris and Jack not here because they hadn't posted yet I assume.

[DrWilgy]

Oh, Sabi is out of PoE as well.

[hollowkatt]

I miss queek

the good thing about breaking character is now maybe this jack wagon goes away.
I'll die for jack tbat's a good trade

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I have no wolf reads

that must mean it is us who are the wolves

Does Mac open wolf with Esooa?

Pretty sure he said something similar to me at one point.

I realize I'm now giving you ammo to continue pushing me.

At most I think one woof bothers to try to save Mac... in fact I think exactly one woof did. Put pressure elsewhere with Mac see what sticks.

Yes I realize I'm giving you more ammo to push me with

[hollowkatt]

I do not and don't think I ever will understand why everyone in this game is exclaiming that their pushes and shade on Macs slot makes them town.

I know a Mac that had us pushing him day 1 as wolf team. A Mac that told us to purposely bus the fuck out of him and despite us doing that he never went over.

Mac felt weird this game and he didn't talk his way out of it like he did in that game he didn't go over D1 he was an easy bus target he still almost talked his way out of it even though he felt weirdly off got me to belive it. Everyone exclaiming their innocence from his flip or demanding his pelt just feels weird to me.

I was the very first person to vote mac therefore lock clear
for legal purposes this is a joke

[DrWilgy]

If that read is proven correct it also means risiinq and Porscha are town.

There's a wolb in here.

[DrWilgy]

I have no wolf reads

that must mean it is us who are the wolves

Does Mac open wolf with Esooa?

Pretty sure he said something similar to me at one point.

I realize I'm now giving you ammo to continue pushing me.

At most I think one woof bothers to try to save Mac... in fact I think exactly one woof did. Put pressure elsewhere with Mac see what sticks.

Yes I realize I'm giving you more ammo to push me with

I have no need to continue meme pushing you assuming I have time to get through Mac's iso.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I do not and don't think I ever will understand why everyone in this game is exclaiming that their pushes and shade on Macs slot makes them town.

I know a Mac that had us pushing him day 1 as wolf team. A Mac that told us to purposely bus the fuck out of him and despite us doing that he never went over.

Mac felt weird this game and he didn't talk his way out of it like he did in that game he didn't go over D1 he was an easy bus target he still almost talked his way out of it even though he felt weirdly off got me to belive it. Everyone exclaiming their innocence from his flip or demanding his pelt just feels weird to me.

I was the very first person to vote mac therefore lock clear
for legal purposes this is a joke

<3 HK unkillable

[Porscha]

Seal-thing (im rebranding) has a town core he feels comfortable with

Tell Queek now-now!

if you had to kill outside of hk then who would you kill today?

Probably ris, off hand

My townreads are currently sabi/santy/porscha/wilgy/esooa, really anyone outside that group is *fine*

Talk to Queek about Porscha. Why is Porscha town-thing? Queek keeps asking and no-things will say-say.

Afaik their scum range is....limited

YOU DONT HAVE TO SAY IT LIKE THAT

I was trying to be diplomatic!

just say my wolf game sucks ass next time

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I miss queek

the good thing about breaking character is now maybe this jack wagon goes away.
I'll die for jack tbat's a good trade

Sorry im not allowed to talk to you

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tell Queek now-now!

Probably ris, off hand

My townreads are currently sabi/santy/porscha/wilgy/esooa, really anyone outside that group is *fine*

Talk to Queek about Porscha. Why is Porscha town-thing? Queek keeps asking and no-things will say-say.

Afaik their scum range is....limited

YOU DONT HAVE TO SAY IT LIKE THAT

I was trying to be diplomatic!

just say my wolf game sucks ass next time

I'm not actually confident it's that bad, it just hasn't been great the times I've seen it and thats what I'm going off of

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Queek never dies. I will fully protect queek with all my being

Tbh I haven't voted queek all day iirc cause kinda wasn't feeling it anyways

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If queek is scum I'm gonna cry because I've been pocketed by every scum for 17 games in a row. Or something.

[DrWilgy]

513 posts... guess that's what I get for sleeping. As always I will live post my catch up.

Alright

Nanook/Mac/Sabi Town can't change my mind

I'm just gonna make this brief cause I've read way too much but the way Neon announced they were going to live post their catchup, posted nothing but fluff during that catchup, then somehow came out of it with reads seems fake to me. If Neon got these reads from somewhere, why was there no comments about them during her catchup? Where did the thoughts go?

I messed up my last post somehow so here's a normal one

Yeah I was thinking the same thing catching up from last night tbh I think Neon is probs the quiet wolf who just openly says they are frozen and bad to get townread

Ouch.

they're onto us what do we do

Ah, Neon was right. These are invalid.

[DrWilgy]

Santy or Ender
Esooa
Achro

Currently where I'm at.

but ur vote is on lily

do me a favour

next time you think making this post is a good idea, save your energy cuz it's not

Allow me to point out at this point that Mac's discussion with Lily I can see as distancing effort.

This was also a good post to quote because the discussion between Porscha and Mac has honestly been nothing butt fluff up until now... Or at least if feels like it.

[Lilypetal]

Santy is probably a top suspect for the "deepwolf" if it's exactly Mac+Snow+Deepwolf.

I'm not willing to yeet Santy today unless he's the only viable counterwagon (and I don't think there's anyone I townread so hard as to not self preserve against. Maybe Sabi). I think there are some exchanges between Mac and Santy that look unteamed. But he is a player I previously scumread and with both Mac and Santy on the chopping block for awhile, it'd not impossible for the two of them to have worked to create some good distancing. He's also the player who is going after me the hardest.

An angle I might check with is how Santy specifically treated Mac D1. The initial reason for me suspecting Santy is because I felt like he was being too polite and too appeasy. Like he was trying to skate by and pocket rather than solve. Was he just as polite to Mac before Mac gathered suspicion?

This is another "if my fate is sealed" exercise that I would love if someone happened to have already done this work.

I will stop voting you for this post alone. You and I are on the same wavelength.

[DrWilgy]

sabi and esooa have tmi on my alignment and lily/achro are over defensive of esooa and only "sus" of me when I push her

3 of 4 wolves in these 4 names

Hmm... WIFOM.

Mac is very good about obscuring teammates I think.

He has several patterns that he applies to multiple people.

There's a strangeness between how he interacts with Lily and Esooa, and I see strangeness between Ris and Porscha as well.

I do think at this point Mac has been safely throwing shit at the wall for some time.

Was there any immediate push towards Sabi at this time, or were they still being unanimously TRd?