Mafia Misplay Mafia

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But I've repeatedly stated I'm not cleared. And there's different levels of theatre that one can read into. Not all arguments are created equal.

[hollowkatt]

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

Cool than you can just never find me lol

I would say you aren't doing much to help me by continuing on this. I'm open to the idea that the wim isn't important in reading you. But I don't appreciate you acting like I'm in bad faith for trying to wake the players in this game the fuck up, because they are currently mentally spiraling or sheeping the "flipping hk fixes everything!!" idea.

I want more, and I won't stop being fucking annoying and pestering people. Because it's what it takes to get people to stop doing this woe-is-me / there's only option to move this game forward, song and dance.

It's not sheeping... it's just objectively true. Me or HK need to die today Porscha. That's it. You can't solve the game with both of us alive tomorrow.

I'm not going to flip over and die when I know I'm town.

Yet your expectation is that I should. Interesting.

[hollowkatt]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

why not?

[hollowkatt]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

why not?

So you're confbiased I'm a wolf, got it. Has nothing to do with "HK needs to be resolved", nothing to do with "neither HK nor I can live to F(X)", and everything to do with "HK is always a wolf here".

anyways, I can't tell if you're playing poorly or a wolf, leaning you're a wolf because you've made this entire day and your entire posting methodology setting up me v you thunderdome when I've expressed zero interest in pursuing anything like that, and you're future flipping Sabi based on me being a wolf.

You're not actually solving today Neon, you're devolving into AtE and worlds that can't exist. Which I don't particularly care about, this game is an AtE fest, has been since the word go. What I do care about is your worldbuilding because I think it gives away that you need me to die.

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

And he only went to Esooa when the thread gave him hope he could not die

I started that wagon btw, when I flip town pay attention to it.

[hollowkatt]

two wolves one bucket: neon, esooa, tsp

[hollowkatt]

because I'm town, and I town read sabi, porscha, lily

[Sabiplz]

I don't want to sit here and have everyone get upset whenever I try to solve.

I'm just gonna vote where I think scum are and meme. I have no desire to do this everytime I play the actual game of mafia and post a possibility to try to figure things out.

I feel bad. I'm sorry neon. Cbdhdbsms snsnsbshdhsn

[Lilypetal]

hey... pst... @Lilypetal ......................................

you wolf?

maybe

[Lilypetal]

@Porscha i didnt read like most of what was posted but u do realize that most of the things u responded to that I said were said in a period where I was explicitly fishing for reactions?

[Lilypetal]

and then i cut the act and then voted hk and said the obvious hk is wolf stupids

[Lilypetal]

And if HK flipped town I was going to hard push Lily tmrw off it

this is a super bad post though and does make me rethink things a bit

[Lilypetal]

you hard push esooa, not me

[Lilypetal]

i genuinely think hk just flips w here and me/neon/esooa are cleared and the game is easy

[Lilypetal]

I don't get how lily is clear if HK flips w because of their fight

But I'm not clear when Mac kept insulting and harassing me?

it's mafia and u can assume that we faked that as scum theater but as a person I would never do something so vile and that eod tainted my entire view of this game to the point that I haven't cared at all

[Lilypetal]

i don't think it's sabi. if it's sabi i will be okay being burned because I will begin writing a player document and i will write in my own blood "CAN'T BE TRUSTED" under their section

[Lilypetal]

We flip HK W. This won't "Confirm" people but it should do a pretty good job at showing that Me, Esooa, and Neon are town. From there the game is quite literally solved. Then it's either the TSP slot that is inactive which sucks or Porscha. I imagine the NK that Porscha thinks is so pointless to talk about will land inside of the 3 names I have listed as cleared.

This is how I view a HK w flip world

5 v 2

Hk flips W Neon NKed

4 v 1

Porscha flips V Esooa NKed

2v1

TSP flips W

Game over

In the world where HK flips V well well well we are in for a shit show but it may be a solvable one.

[Lilypetal]

i do know one of esooa's wolftells is that she is incredibly bored and that's the vibe i get from here since day 3 but in a game with such low wim all around I can't fault her or follow that lol

[Porscha]

No reason to not consider it as a possibility at least

[Porscha]

@Porscha i didnt read like most of what was posted but u do realize that most of the things u responded to that I said were said in a period where I was explicitly fishing for reactions?

Yes I know you said some things as a reaction test

[hollowkatt]

We flip HK W. This won't "Confirm" people but it should do a pretty good job at showing that Me, Esooa, and Neon are town. From there the game is quite literally solved. Then it's either the TSP slot that is inactive which sucks or Porscha. I imagine the NK that Porscha thinks is so pointless to talk about will land inside of the 3 names I have listed as cleared.

This is how I view a HK w flip world

5 v 2

Hk flips W Neon NKed

4 v 1

Porscha flips V Esooa NKed

2v1

TSP flips W

Game over

In the world where HK flips V well well well we are in for a shit show but it may be a solvable one.

good news! it's shitshow time

[Sabiplz]

The Case on Sabi
If HK Flips ___

If he flips W

Sabi is clear. Why you might ask because why would w!HK:

• beg his wolf partner Sabi to break the tie between him and ender during eod1

• Support his wolf partner Sabi for pushing for his death between rising x jack x him

HK has been pushing me to kill him. In what world is that playing to his wincon?


If he flips V

Sabi is once again clear. Why you must ask? Because me and HK are masons as he alluded in his post last night.


In conclusion

Maybe that doesn't clear things up for you. Maybe you have doubt on me? I have been mostly tring HK. I did drop him into null quite a few times. The only times I joined his wagons was when people I tr more were his cw (Jack and Ender).

Anyway if you dont like this case then please leave a message after this beep,


BEEEP

[Sabiplz]

Alright time to iso people.

I have my laptop out

[Sabiplz]

In the mean time,

Please tell me why I should sheep you

[Porscha]

really glad that Porscha is deciding to take 1 lily post as all of everyones opinions on everything HK has done while having not replied or said anything about a single reason to believe HK is a wolf except to go "killing town HK isn't good, actually in fact killing wolf HK isn't good either"

killing wolf HK is good killing wolves in fact is very good and I'm not gonna answer stuff like "who is HK's partner" just to appease that so

Yeah I mean I never said killing wolf HK isnt something positive but whatever

[Porscha]

really glad that Porscha is deciding to take 1 lily post as all of everyones opinions on everything HK has done while having not replied or said anything about a single reason to believe HK is a wolf except to go "killing town HK isn't good, actually in fact killing wolf HK isn't good either"

killing wolf HK is good killing wolves in fact is very good and I'm not gonna answer stuff like "who is HK's partner" just to appease that so

Yeah I mean I never said killing wolf HK isnt something positive but whatever

I know you didnt read shit or youd know that I'm not convinced HK is wolf so that's why I'm posing outside worlds

[Porscha]

Idk esooa thinks shes too good to bother playing the game and is just gonna flake until HK flips so whatever
Tsp should probs just die today or tomorrow
Decent chance HK is wolf but idk who partner is if he is wolf and it makes me uneasy to have the snake in the grass

[Porscha]

In the mean time,

Please tell me why I should sheep you

Do not sheep me

[Sabiplz]

In the mean time,

Please tell me why I should sheep you

Do not sheep me

OK mommy

[Lilypetal]

if it's neon/esooa rip

[Lilypetal]

kill esooa next day phase

[hollowkatt]

kill esooa next day phase

do you think I'm making a mistake calling you, sabi, and porscha town?

[hollowkatt]

cause it doesn't feel like a mistake

[Sabiplz]

kill esooa next day phase

do you think I'm making a mistake calling you, sabi, and porscha town?

I have doubts on lily esp of you flip V

[Lilypetal]

kill esooa next day phase

do you think I'm making a mistake calling you, sabi, and porscha town?

I have doubts on lily esp of you flip V

explain why

[Sabiplz]

kill esooa next day phase

do you think I'm making a mistake calling you, sabi, and porscha town?

I have doubts on lily esp of you flip V

explain why

Just the way you and neon have gone about HK and I see you two have partner equity with Mac based off what I have read in macs iso.

[Lilypetal]

kill esooa next day phase

do you think I'm making a mistake calling you, sabi, and porscha town?

I have doubts on lily esp of you flip V

explain why

Just the way you and neon have gone about HK and I see you two have partner equity with Mac based off what I have read in macs iso.

so how do u reckon this game gets solved?

do u think neon as a wolf pushed santy yesterday instead of letting the easy hk ml happen?

[Sabiplz]

kill esooa next day phase

do you think I'm making a mistake calling you, sabi, and porscha town?

I have doubts on lily esp of you flip V

explain why

Just the way you and neon have gone about HK and I see you two have partner equity with Mac based off what I have read in macs iso.

so how do u reckon this game gets solved?

do u think neon as a wolf pushed santy yesterday instead of letting the easy hk ml happen?

Well everyone was pushing santy so that's not much of an argument. Why would a wolf not go along with pushing santy? You were hedgy on pushing santy. Explain that.

[Lilypetal]

kill esooa next day phase

do you think I'm making a mistake calling you, sabi, and porscha town?

I have doubts on lily esp of you flip V

explain why

Just the way you and neon have gone about HK and I see you two have partner equity with Mac based off what I have read in macs iso.

so how do u reckon this game gets solved?

do u think neon as a wolf pushed santy yesterday instead of letting the easy hk ml happen?

Well everyone was pushing santy so that's not much of an argument. Why would a wolf not go along with pushing santy? You were hedgy on pushing santy. Explain that.

no, neon lead the push on santy and is the driving force behind his elim

[Sabiplz]

do you think I'm making a mistake calling you, sabi, and porscha town?

I have doubts on lily esp of you flip V

explain why

Just the way you and neon have gone about HK and I see you two have partner equity with Mac based off what I have read in macs iso.

so how do u reckon this game gets solved?

do u think neon as a wolf pushed santy yesterday instead of letting the easy hk ml happen?

Well everyone was pushing santy so that's not much of an argument. Why would a wolf not go along with pushing santy? You were hedgy on pushing santy. Explain that.

no, neon lead the push on santy and is the driving force behind his elim

Why wouldn't a wolf do that?

[Lilypetal]

I have doubts on lily esp of you flip V

explain why

Just the way you and neon have gone about HK and I see you two have partner equity with Mac based off what I have read in macs iso.

so how do u reckon this game gets solved?

do u think neon as a wolf pushed santy yesterday instead of letting the easy hk ml happen?

Well everyone was pushing santy so that's not much of an argument. Why would a wolf not go along with pushing santy? You were hedgy on pushing santy. Explain that.

no, neon lead the push on santy and is the driving force behind his elim

Why wouldn't a wolf do that?

seems like a pretty ballsy play to make

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

Cool than you can just never find me lol

I would say you aren't doing much to help me by continuing on this. I'm open to the idea that the wim isn't important in reading you. But I don't appreciate you acting like I'm in bad faith for trying to wake the players in this game the fuck up, because they are currently mentally spiraling or sheeping the "flipping hk fixes everything!!" idea.

I want more, and I won't stop being fucking annoying and pestering people. Because it's what it takes to get people to stop doing this woe-is-me / there's only option to move this game forward, song and dance.

It's not sheeping... it's just objectively true. Me or HK need to die today Porscha. That's it. You can't solve the game with both of us alive tomorrow.

I'm not going to flip over and die when I know I'm town.

Yet your expectation is that I should. Interesting.

Should my expectation be to kill myself? I mean sometimes maybe not here though

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

why not?

That's what I'm asking lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I don't want to sit here and have everyone get upset whenever I try to solve.

I'm just gonna vote where I think scum are and meme. I have no desire to do this everytime I play the actual game of mafia and post a possibility to try to figure things out.

I feel bad. I'm sorry neon. Cbdhdbsms snsnsbshdhsn

It's fine. Your fine.



Let's just win the game ok...

[hollowkatt]

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

Cool than you can just never find me lol

I would say you aren't doing much to help me by continuing on this. I'm open to the idea that the wim isn't important in reading you. But I don't appreciate you acting like I'm in bad faith for trying to wake the players in this game the fuck up, because they are currently mentally spiraling or sheeping the "flipping hk fixes everything!!" idea.

I want more, and I won't stop being fucking annoying and pestering people. Because it's what it takes to get people to stop doing this woe-is-me / there's only option to move this game forward, song and dance.

It's not sheeping... it's just objectively true. Me or HK need to die today Porscha. That's it. You can't solve the game with both of us alive tomorrow.

I'm not going to flip over and die when I know I'm town.

Yet your expectation is that I should. Interesting.

Should my expectation be to kill myself? I mean sometimes maybe not here though

no, I'm saying your argument to Porscha "I'm not going to flip over and die when I know I'm town" is bullshit when that's exactly what you expect me to do, lay down and take the chop that's coming.
I know I'm town and yet all I'm told is "for the good of the thread" or "we can't solve with you alive" which directly translates into "shut up and take it"

So I'm pointing out the bs

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

hey... pst... @Lilypetal ......................................

you wolf?

maybe

[hollowkatt]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

why not?

That's what I'm asking lol

yeah, my answer is why not? it's on you to lay out why you think it can't be

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

And if HK flipped town I was going to hard push Lily tmrw off it

this is a super bad post though and does make me rethink things a bit

Why? Why am I not allowed to think things lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I don't get how lily is clear if HK flips w because of their fight

But I'm not clear when Mac kept insulting and harassing me?

it's mafia and u can assume that we faked that as scum theater but as a person I would never do something so vile and that eod tainted my entire view of this game to the point that I haven't cared at all

Same. But now that I do care again after 80 days and 80 nights it's scummy... so should of just kept not caring after the bullshit

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i do know one of esooa's wolftells is that she is incredibly bored and that's the vibe i get from here since day 3 but in a game with such low wim all around I can't fault her or follow that lol