King of the Hill Mafia

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm bored a f

Want to chit chat if you are still here?

I'm always watching. Wazowski.

I am a fan of Monsters Inc lol

What's your favorite type of ice cream?

Strawberry bar none!

[arogame123]

i am going to once more walk back on my porscha read and stop - she is town tbh
I have never been wrong on this sort of read before and I know players in her position are often misyeet bait tbh

Is it more so with the Ate and how she feels like she is being up for "ml material" bc tbh, that was the part that was kinda getting to me and I thought was slightly townie.

I am a man of emotion, so that type of thing gets to me. She seemed very ferocious and pissed off yea.

[arogame123]

I'm bored a f

Want to chit chat if you are still here?

I'm always watching. Wazowski.

I am a fan of Monsters Inc lol

What's your favorite type of ice cream?

Strawberry bar none!

ooh, mint chocolate chip is better hehe

[arogame123]

Also, I've learned this new tactic and adding it to my skills set. I want to try it out today and hopefully this will work. No gambit or shit like that, I think this is a clever trick and hopefully it yields results.

[arogame123]

Hello, I'm around for a bit, incase anyone wants to real time.

Prolly won't have time to catch up till tomorrow after work.

I see your here Lily and I'd like to talk with u since I had some issues with ur EoD yesterday

I'm sleeping soon but I'll try to respond before then. I have talked a bit abt it already

What's up

So my main issue was how u voted EoD and the fact that it didn't match with ur motives/what u were saying.

Like you were sheeping your stronger tr, but then ended up voting vanity wagons and jumped off last second, when you could have earlier.

So it felt like you were tr these people and saying you'd follow, but then not follow cause you were afraid it would look bad on u. At least that's the impression I got with why u described u leaving the Falcon Wagon. Which to me felt like wolfy self-awareness.

addmittely tho, when u claimed that "I would be able to understand you better" I felt that was slightly townie from u, so I want to try and see if I can understand ur perspective in EoD. Cause as I mentioned, ur motive and action didn't match up so I felt meh around there

I did sheep my tr. I didn't vote alison. It's not about looking bad it's about making the wrong moves. Falcon seemed like he was gonna flip v by his posts and I panicked and felt bad and couldn't go to alison so I voted with boquise. It was not a confident eod.

But I mean, if you thought Falcon was townie, you unvoting would either lead to a tie, in which case we lose a lynch or you go to a vanity wagon which doesn't really lead them to dying. Cause the idea of sheeping ur tr would be to keep ur vote I would imagine.

Like you knew that Porscha wasn't going to go over with that late switch on a vanity wagon vote. SO that's why I am curious why u did what u did.

[arogame123]

Also, I have a read that Lily/Lucy are likely not w/w

Like, I don't think Lucy gets that upset at Lily when Lucy instructed her to not vote in the thread as much as she did. I think if they were partners, Lucy would complain more about it in mafia chat than in the thread. It could feel like coaching but this to me came more from someone who was legitemetly pissed off, upset, and confused.

I was also thinking it's weird and interesting not many people talked about Rondo today especially when they had a lot of suspicion thrown at them towards EoD yesterday lol.

[Boquise]

i am going to once more walk back on my porscha read and stop - she is town tbh
I have never been wrong on this sort of read before and I know players in her position are often misyeet bait tbh

Is it more so with the Ate and how she feels like she is being up for "ml material" bc tbh, that was the part that was kinda getting to me and I thought was slightly townie.

I am a man of emotion, so that type of thing gets to me. She seemed very ferocious and pissed off yea.

it is her entitlement when being scum read tbh

[arogame123]

i am going to once more walk back on my porscha read and stop - she is town tbh
I have never been wrong on this sort of read before and I know players in her position are often misyeet bait tbh

Is it more so with the Ate and how she feels like she is being up for "ml material" bc tbh, that was the part that was kinda getting to me and I thought was slightly townie.

I am a man of emotion, so that type of thing gets to me. She seemed very ferocious and pissed off yea.

it is her entitlement when being scum read tbh

hmmm, ngl, I kinda got similar vibes from Neon earlier with that.

Do you tr Neon as well?

[arogame123]

Kinda looking at Alison/Porscha/Rondo/ and possibly Lily for today.

I do acknlowdge that Alison/Porscha is prolly not w/w

So I have Rondo/Lily but I want to chat with Lily and hopefully Rondo as well, as I did not like their EoD either and a slot that has just not been solving either.

If I am wrong on one of them, I will have to likely evaluate one of my leaning tr earlier that I had.

I feel the best about Mac, SPF, and Boq rn followed somewhat by Nanook and Creature

[Porscha]

Also, playing league at the same time so might be a bit slow lmfao.

And I wanted to ask you Porscha, do you mainly sr Alison for Omgus or mainly her playstyle and the way she approaches the game?

Rn I had Alison and Porscha as the people I wanted to kill the most coming into today, but I feel like their interactions with each other from EoD to today is likely not w/w.

So I feel I need to look outside that and potentially evaluate my nulls further.

I felt form alison/mac argument, it was never w/w. I tr'd mac from it. at best it was t/t, at worst it was w/t.
at best, alison is tunneling on me for my playstyle and my inability to sit at pc and iso and type longer + more specific responses that she prefers. but it isn't malicious - it's her just tunneling again.
at worst, she thought I was someone she could ML and say it was because I wasn't up to her standard and deserved to die anyway. "I was not wrong on Porscha, I read her objectively. And objectively, she played scummy." and then get away with ML'ing me without repercussion.

Which it is, I don't know.

hmmm, I can agree with u on the first part of what u said and that alison/mac are not w/w.

But also, with that in mind, I assume it's more so u think that Alison is pushing u in bad faith due to ur "inability to play the game." Unfortunately, I have seen Alison make pushes like that on many people in the past as she attempts to make the "optimal play."

With that in mind though, what were your thoughts on Alison attempting to spearhead the wagon on you from Falcon as Alison was tr Falcon?

That to me was weird that Alison tr Falcon, Alison sr you, Falcon sr Alison, and you sr Alison. It was like a weird circle/triangle lol

are you saying alison voted me to save falcon because she tr'd him?

[Porscha]

I'm bored a f

truth or dare

Truth.

do you like zoids?

[Porscha]

if porscha is town, it means that the main wagons being pushed (me, jack, porscha) were all town.
I just woke up and will read up later, but I will keep that in mind tbh

what's the logic behind this pls?

I am town
I know Jack was town
If you are town
It means all three main pushes were town.

It would imply that wolves had it chill last day until eod. It is only if Alison is wolf that the wolf team was in any sense of danger tbh

right. that makes sense from that perspective.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm bored a f

Want to chit chat if you are still here?

I'm always watching. Wazowski.

I am a fan of Monsters Inc lol

What's your favorite type of ice cream?

Strawberry bar none!

ooh, mint chocolate chip is better hehe

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i am going to once more walk back on my porscha read and stop - she is town tbh
I have never been wrong on this sort of read before and I know players in her position are often misyeet bait tbh

Is it more so with the Ate and how she feels like she is being up for "ml material" bc tbh, that was the part that was kinda getting to me and I thought was slightly townie.

I am a man of emotion, so that type of thing gets to me. She seemed very ferocious and pissed off yea.

it is her entitlement when being scum read tbh

hmmm, ngl, I kinda got similar vibes from Neon earlier with that.

Do you tr Neon as well?

I don't think I've ever been called entitled before

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm bored a f

truth or dare

Truth.

do you like zoids?

The anime? Cause fuck yea that was one of the first two animes I watched that got me into it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have about an hour to sleep, should I even bother, yes/no

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

No. In my experience sleeping am hour makes you more tired

[Porscha]

Isn't Porscha bad at being a wolf? Is she particularly wolfy here?

I guess I can still be in my wolf range but its bozo alliance over here taking the consideration seriously because they are too paper thin in their convictions to find an actual wolf

There is a class dichotomy in this game where some people view themselves and are seen as "strong players " and others who arent viewed the same way by themselves or others. It's why there was that gross post about letting all the strong players get a day 1 pass to scumhunt, which is of course dumb.
All of the people who wouldnt be good enough to be considered for a day 1 pass will sit around not knowing who to vote when town leaders mac and alison are both sitting on the lowest poster in the game and nobody else is telling those other players what to do, despite those same other players trying to get a grasp of the game in their own minds and yet failing to make any meaningful cases or thoughts about who is wolf because the wolves have been good at hiding so far day 1.

And this is why 1 shrugs and says "idk porscha wolfy" another 3 will shrug and say the same thing until someone they respect more than myself defends me. Its cool

this happened btw, mac not wanting me over is a huge reason the wagon went to falcon instead of me. mafia is not only a deception game but it is also a social game and me giving my perspective on how I think it was / will play out based on the social factors is only that: a subjective take. I might have had a little passion behind it because that read frustrates me, but let it be known that I will not be afraid to evaluate how the social factors of each player or group of players can affect the gamestate.

[Porscha]

I'm bored a f

truth or dare

Truth.

do you like zoids?

The anime? Cause fuck yea that was one of the first two animes I watched that got me into it

that's very poggers ma'am. I love zoids

[Seanzie]

I'm like 4 pages behind and dedicated to staying there, but the few pages I did read this morning give me one big impress

Mac and Alison are putting on a show. Wolf theatre 3000.

[Seanzie]

I'm bored a f

truth or dare

Truth.

do you like zoids?

The anime? Cause fuck yea that was one of the first two animes I watched that got me into it

that's very poggers ma'am. I love zoids

These two are town.

[Seanzie]

I'm bored a f

truth or dare

Truth.

do you like zoids?

The anime? Cause fuck yea that was one of the first two animes I watched that got me into it

that's very poggers ma'am. I love zoids

These two are town.

(for legal reasons the above is a joke, I do not have anything to say about their alignments right now, I just can get down on some anime huge animal robot fighting action.

[Porscha]

I'm like 4 pages behind and dedicated to staying there, but the few pages I did read this morning give me one big impress

Mac and Alison are putting on a show. Wolf theatre 3000.

you really think it's more likely w/w than any other option? i'm hesitant to believe that world exists before the other options

[Porscha]

oh god i'm already finding reasons to confbias this. stop, seanzie

[Porscha]

Ok wait I thought about and another reason I have a hard time seeing it as w/w is because mac pushed and will still have to push the idea that since falcon flipped town we have to policy alison.
This w/w is still possible if mac does this to deep wolf

75% believe mac is not interested in deep wolfing like this if he is maf based on his recent wim failings

So I guess it's possible but I'm less inclined to believe that it is likely

[MacDougall]

It's little wonder this game is in the state is in (toxic) when people are still content to flail about out on their own tinfoiling me (and others) instead of just doing what is optimal for the game.

While people are content to do that, they won't ever find the wim to bother reading my content and recognising the validity of it. If you are capable of reading my play in this game as wolfy or theatrical then what chance do I have of being heard?

[Seanzie]

Ok wait I thought about and another reason I have a hard time seeing it as w/w is because mac pushed and will still have to push the idea that since falcon flipped town we have to policy alison.
This w/w is still possible if mac does this to deep wolf

75% believe mac is not interested in deep wolfing like this if he is maf based on his recent wim failings

So I guess it's possible but I'm less inclined to believe that it is likely

Alison has gone over relatively early in almost even game the past year or so maybe. Any reasonable wolf team would be cognizant of that and would play to try to make the best of that situation.

I don't think it's necessarily "Wolves sacrificing Alison to push Mac deep", it's be more like "wolves expect Alison to go, so wolf!Mac is gaining the cred he can with theatre".

A reasonable gameplan for such a team would be something like:
d1 mischop
d2 alison bus
wolves ride cred to get 2, maybe 3 mischops
town turns on Mac D5 or D6, Mac chop one of those days
final wolf is 1-2 days from victory.

There could also be hope that Alison won't go over today, which would make the above schedule just that much easier to execute for them.

[Seanzie]

It's little wonder this game is in the state is in (toxic) when people are still content to flail about out on their own tinfoiling me (and others) instead of just doing what is optimal for the game.

While people are content to do that, they won't ever find the wim to bother reading my content and recognising the validity of it. If you are capable of reading my play in this game as wolfy or theatrical then what chance do I have of being heard?

I am capable of many things, reading your play as potentially theatrical is one.

I won't lie, I have been hard pressed to keep up with this game, so I'm not going to say I've read all your posts or that my reads are guaranteed to bw good and polished, but your posts to Alison have no teeth, and the arguments you two are getting into go nowhere. It's all very IIoA IMO, and it just doesn't feel right.

I also hate your Creature push. They are playing like town!Creature, and if they are faking it, I don't think they'll be able to for 5-6 days, so if they are wolf, they'll likely be easier to find later rather than now.

I see your point with Alison being somewhat antithetical to her own town tenants this game, but I don't think I can give you points for pointing that out, or dragging out these arguments for as long as you have.

I'll try to find you if you're town, I'm not dead set on you/Alison, but I don't think my theatre read is unreasonable, and I don't think me being wary of your Creature push is either.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm bored a f

truth or dare

Truth.

do you like zoids?

The anime? Cause fuck yea that was one of the first two animes I watched that got me into it

that's very poggers ma'am. I love zoids

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm like 4 pages behind and dedicated to staying there, but the few pages I did read this morning give me one big impress

Mac and Alison are putting on a show. Wolf theatre 3000.

you really think it's more likely w/w than any other option? i'm hesitant to believe that world exists before the other options

Is it bad that I half jokingly said this earlier lol

[MacDougall]

Here is another way to play.

10 v 3
8 v 3
6 v 3
4 v 3 limlo

Three mischops til f7.

Critically bad mischops are the players that the mafia will want to kill themselves. SPF, Arogame, Boquise, myself. Several of these players should be self resolved by f7. So you just shouldn't bother chopping this group and shouldn't even really bother even humouring it (even if one or several of us are wolves tbh). I think it's pro mafia to even tinfoil these four names honestly.

It should just be a combined effort primarily led by these four names to actually coordinate the chops because of that. Even if they are mafia it will be enticing to townside and bus.

If we're allowed to lead, and somehow get to f7 without any wolves dead, I'll retire from mafia (and it should also out some fools and give us the best chance of limlo anyway).

So @staypositivefriend @arogame123 @Boquise shall we get to work?

Obviously my strong preference today is to resolve Alison. If Alison flips town then I'd be 100% inclined to just kill whoever she leaves in her legacy.
I already know SPF doesn't subscribe to the idea of needing to resolve the day 1 wagons. Which bothers me a great deal especially when it's Alison of all people, someone I know SPF knows Alison can fool her. And I think I've made several compelling arguments for why Alison is a wolf. I don't think she is playing the game like town Alison really at all and hasn't been for most of it.

My feeling on each other slot:

arogame123 - I have had moments of tinfoil as I am prone to, but I don't have any interest in playing into it. Arogame has been largely a steadying influence on the game and I'd rather let them continue to do that. I don't really know exactly where their head is at though.

Porscha - I saw Boq and Arogame kind of coalesce on a townread here, I have a similar read for similar reasons. I think Porscha is out of her scumrange.

Boquise - Feels like the most sane person in the game every time they post. They come across like an adult who keeps checking on the kids and finding chaos every time.

Seanzie - There were some posts on day 1 that just felt townie. Seanzie has some seriously tilting takes but there is an overwhelming lack of TMI in their play. I just don't think Seanzie as a wolf plays this way (especially knowing I am town).

Creature - I really struggle to get past how Creature was handling the end of day. Pushing Falcon for their own reasons but continuously promoting the idea that I was alone in my Falcon push. Blaming me for it. Then coming out today and immediately putting me on the backfoot for chopping a town like chopping Falcon in a split is even AI for me to begin with. I just don't think his reads make any sense either.

Lilypetal - I feel weird about Lilypetal but I don't want to chop them. I don't really know how to articulate my feelings on Lilypetal and wouldn't mind fleshing out some feelings on this slot.

Lucy - Probably my strongest townread. I think Lucy has been exceedingly sensible throughout the entire game so far and has a fire to their play that I really vibe with.

Rondo/Sparkles - Sparkles was slanky wolfy. Rondo has been actively scummy with no remorse. That this slot is not being tunneled by the wolves is tripping me out even harder. I have no idea why this slot isn't more of a topic of conversation. Especially from someone like Alison who by their own mafia beliefs should be probably doming Rondo by now.

Nanook - I... wouldn't be surprised if Nanook was mafia or town. At times my read has fluctuated from quite strong town, back to null. He's not really gone over the null line into lean wolf territory for me yet though. Probably another Nanook late game dies for rand reasons and flips town game. I guess having that thought alone makes me want to townread him.

Neon - I wanna say they are likely to be town here because they are kind of more pure than I remember their wolfgame being but they aren't exactly an incompetent wolf. We have swept a town before as wolf teammates. Probably need more flips to really get an idea of what's going on here. Potential late game miselim.

SPF - I am following my usual pattern of feeling like SPF is lock town, tinfoiling them, massively questioning their reads... I am rather inclined to break my pattern here and sheep them somewhat but... I worry about that backfiring. SPF's day 2 has been quite tilting and I've vibed with very very little of what they've said though. But as I said, that's the pattern with me and SPF.

Town

Lucy
Arogame
Boq
Porscha
Seanzie

Lean Town

SPF
Nanook
Neon
Lilypetal

POE

Alison
Creature
Rondo

[MacDougall]

It's little wonder this game is in the state is in (toxic) when people are still content to flail about out on their own tinfoiling me (and others) instead of just doing what is optimal for the game.

While people are content to do that, they won't ever find the wim to bother reading my content and recognising the validity of it. If you are capable of reading my play in this game as wolfy or theatrical then what chance do I have of being heard?

I am capable of many things, reading your play as potentially theatrical is one.

I won't lie, I have been hard pressed to keep up with this game, so I'm not going to say I've read all your posts or that my reads are guaranteed to bw good and polished, but your posts to Alison have no teeth, and the arguments you two are getting into go nowhere. It's all very IIoA IMO, and it just doesn't feel right.

I also hate your Creature push. They are playing like town!Creature, and if they are faking it, I don't think they'll be able to for 5-6 days, so if they are wolf, they'll likely be easier to find later rather than now.

I see your point with Alison being somewhat antithetical to her own town tenants this game, but I don't think I can give you points for pointing that out, or dragging out these arguments for as long as you have.

I'll try to find you if you're town, I'm not dead set on you/Alison, but I don't think my theatre read is unreasonable, and I don't think me being wary of your Creature push is either.

The bolded are just plain wrong Seanzie. Like you can argue that's it's your opinion but to say my Alison pushes today have had no teeth can only make sense if you've straight up not read most of it honestly.

[MacDougall]

Alright I retract my townread on Seanzie. He can be wolf especially if Lilypetal is town.

If it helps, this only makes my townread on you stronger. I have a nice warm pocket over here if you change your mind about me.

Let's say I just ... sheep you on Creature. Go back to my original retraction on Creature based on sheeping SPF.

I am being pocketed somewhere then. If the mafia team have people pocketing me then it's probably not just one of them, then the likelihood my worldview is just bad all the way around is high.

[MacDougall]

Like we're probably either in a universe where:

Alison is mafia with whoever the fuck
or
Neon/Lily are mafia and their whole agenda in this game is just pocket and try to coast

I feel like almost everybody with the exception of Creature and SPF are relatively suspicious of Alison at this point? (If you aren't then vocalise it).

I feel like almost nobody EXCEPT Creature/Alison/SPF is suspicious of Neon or Lily?

@RondoDimBuckle can you come play or something.

@lucy what's your gamestate?

[Seanzie]

It's little wonder this game is in the state is in (toxic) when people are still content to flail about out on their own tinfoiling me (and others) instead of just doing what is optimal for the game.

While people are content to do that, they won't ever find the wim to bother reading my content and recognising the validity of it. If you are capable of reading my play in this game as wolfy or theatrical then what chance do I have of being heard?

I am capable of many things, reading your play as potentially theatrical is one.

I won't lie, I have been hard pressed to keep up with this game, so I'm not going to say I've read all your posts or that my reads are guaranteed to bw good and polished, but your posts to Alison have no teeth, and the arguments you two are getting into go nowhere. It's all very IIoA IMO, and it just doesn't feel right.

I also hate your Creature push. They are playing like town!Creature, and if they are faking it, I don't think they'll be able to for 5-6 days, so if they are wolf, they'll likely be easier to find later rather than now.

I see your point with Alison being somewhat antithetical to her own town tenants this game, but I don't think I can give you points for pointing that out, or dragging out these arguments for as long as you have.

I'll try to find you if you're town, I'm not dead set on you/Alison, but I don't think my theatre read is unreasonable, and I don't think me being wary of your Creature push is either.

The bolded are just plain wrong Seanzie. Like you can argue that's it's your opinion but to say my Alison pushes today have had no teeth can only make sense if you've straight up not read most of it honestly.

I don't think the bolded are plain wrong. Your arguments are factually fine, and solid in terms of arguments, but they FEEL like you're the kid on the debate team that ended up being put on the opposite side of an issue they're passionate about. You're making arguments, doing the debate justice, but there's no spark.

[MacDougall]

I have skimmed the past few pages. Not gonna reply to every post, there's 40 minutes left in the day and I'd rather talk with people who are here. The wagon on me is horrible and most people have given literally no reason for voting me. Ergo Porscha is being saved again and their accomplices are in my voters. Ergo we should just vote out Porscha because every time they are under threat the worst wagon in the universe materializes on a strong player that it would be disastrous to execute D1.

@MacDougall Do you think mafia falcon has the balls to push me and you on D1 knowing we can easily find and bury him if he does?

Yes. As mafia he is not a pussy he is just obvious. He's gone straight at me as a wolf many times. That said I'm heavily conflicted on him right now because he does seem to believe what he's saying to some degree and having bad reads isn't something to particularly scumread Falcon for.

I'm no longer really thinking he's optimal anyway. Not with Rondo the supersub shifting his vote around silently and skating. I don't really see how it makes sense not to just kill Rondo here.

And Seanzie's play today has been a total shit show also.

As I started above these two and Jack are just like... I can't really figure a way to perceive them as town?

I agree, Rondo Flash Wagon

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Lets go Mac, Kingmaker. If I am wrong on Rondo, yeet me tomorrow.

Votes when I entered thread

Spoiler: show

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Votes 1 hour out from EOD
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VC when Rondo subbed in.



VC 1 hour before EOD when Rondo made this post



So the key differences here are obviously, Jack's wagon just died entirely. It contained me, Creature, Alison. The next VC Creature and I were both on the other dead town. Alison moved to Porcha. I find it hard to reconcile that there isn't at least a wolf voting Jack here.

In the second VC both the dead town are voting Alison alongside Seanzie and Porscha, who I am townreading both of.

There is a lot going on here. I'm glad Rondo dropped these VCs, it's rather townie of him tbh.

We've got Creature/Mac/Lily/Lucy/Nook on Falcon
vs. Porscha wagon (Alison, Aro, Boq)
vs. Alison wagon (Seanzie, Porscha, Falcon, Jack)
vs. Sparkles wagon (Neon, SPF, Rondo lol)

There's going to be at least one mafia wagoned between these three surely. If there's not like we're probably just fucked. I kinda feel like if Sparkles/Rondo is town, then the temptation for a wolf to be there is gonna be very high. So @RondoDimBuckle I think if you are town you should probably be viewing Neon/SPF as a difference check?

@Alison if you are town, would you not have a difference check here between Seanzie and Porscha? Given 50% of your wagon here are dead townies?

@Porscha what do you make of Arogame and Boq voting you here?

There's a lot to glean from this exact wagon formation as the game progresses so I do hope people come back to it as we get more flips because it's likely to out people.

It's kinda crazy that none of Porscha, Alison and Rondo are voting Falcon right here. Like there's a townie with 5 votes on them and not a single person counterwagoned to them is voting them. They are all voting each other (Rondo is self voting). Porscha and Alison are just crossing here. Alison eventually self preservation votes, but I am not sure Porscha ever did?

I just think that this game needs Alison's flip very badly.

[MacDougall]

It's little wonder this game is in the state is in (toxic) when people are still content to flail about out on their own tinfoiling me (and others) instead of just doing what is optimal for the game.

While people are content to do that, they won't ever find the wim to bother reading my content and recognising the validity of it. If you are capable of reading my play in this game as wolfy or theatrical then what chance do I have of being heard?

I am capable of many things, reading your play as potentially theatrical is one.

I won't lie, I have been hard pressed to keep up with this game, so I'm not going to say I've read all your posts or that my reads are guaranteed to bw good and polished, but your posts to Alison have no teeth, and the arguments you two are getting into go nowhere. It's all very IIoA IMO, and it just doesn't feel right.

I also hate your Creature push. They are playing like town!Creature, and if they are faking it, I don't think they'll be able to for 5-6 days, so if they are wolf, they'll likely be easier to find later rather than now.

I see your point with Alison being somewhat antithetical to her own town tenants this game, but I don't think I can give you points for pointing that out, or dragging out these arguments for as long as you have.

I'll try to find you if you're town, I'm not dead set on you/Alison, but I don't think my theatre read is unreasonable, and I don't think me being wary of your Creature push is either.

The bolded are just plain wrong Seanzie. Like you can argue that's it's your opinion but to say my Alison pushes today have had no teeth can only make sense if you've straight up not read most of it honestly.

I don't think the bolded are plain wrong. Your arguments are factually fine, and solid in terms of arguments, but they FEEL like you're the kid on the debate team that ended up being put on the opposite side of an issue they're passionate about. You're making arguments, doing the debate justice, but there's no spark.

Um what's missing exactly? Do away with your vagueness and speak plainly. Telling me my argument is factual and solid but then waxying lyrical about me being kid on debate team and lacking spark just means fuck all unless you point out what you'd expect to see from town Mac that's missing. I guarantee if you manage to articulate anything it'll either be something I can point you at or utter canned nonsense.

[robyn]

Like we're probably either in a universe where:

Alison is mafia with whoever the fuck
or
Neon/Lily are mafia and their whole agenda in this game is just pocket and try to coast

I feel like almost everybody with the exception of Creature and SPF are relatively suspicious of Alison at this point? (If you aren't then vocalise it).

I feel like almost nobody EXCEPT Creature/Alison/SPF is suspicious of Neon or Lily?

@RondoDimBuckle can you come play or something.

@lucy what's your gamestate?

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[robyn]

spf and creature, game theory wise do we Lynch the cw?

We shouldn't restrict our lynch options today. It's not set in stone Alison is wolf and I feel like wolves are skating under the radar while we eat each other.

Maybe you just don't actually realise how bad this is but not killing the counterwagon on day 2 is the number 1 thing that leads to town losing mountainous games. Nothing else comes close.

Perhaps. I just hate giving wolves a free day pass because we have to resolve wagons when TvT wagons are quite common.

[robyn]

https://discord.gg/nKACgF4Gdw

[robyn]

alison lynch is optimal, but also creature could be TMI-ing her as town

[robyn]

i need to put a few hours of work into this gamestate tomorrow, i do have more suspicions but that was the pressing thing for me

[MacDougall]

Lilypetal's play here feels bizarre from a wolf perspective. Though sometimes I still get bothered that I'm noy used to Lilypetal playing like this. I wonder if it's Syndicate's behavior altering elixir in action.

Hmmm

I guess my lucy townread had to do with her actions not making sense from wolf, like claiming VT right out of the gate. I also kinda agreed when someone said her reactions felt genuinely frustrated town.

These two posts are remarkably similar lol.

[MacDougall]

Maybe Creature has a thing where he just does these wax lyrical posts about teammates lol.

[robyn]

@MacDougall

lily/creature/x is gonna be my main consideration after that lmfao, but actually make the second message have a functioning link
and i’m gonna have you case/press creature on the evidence i just provided along with what you have

[Boquise]

i am going to once more walk back on my porscha read and stop - she is town tbh
I have never been wrong on this sort of read before and I know players in her position are often misyeet bait tbh

Is it more so with the Ate and how she feels like she is being up for "ml material" bc tbh, that was the part that was kinda getting to me and I thought was slightly townie.

I am a man of emotion, so that type of thing gets to me. She seemed very ferocious and pissed off yea.

it is her entitlement when being scum read tbh

hmmm, ngl, I kinda got similar vibes from Neon earlier with that.

Do you tr Neon as well?

town leaning tbh

[robyn]

@Boquise how busy are you, normally you’d be solving like mad and come to independent conclusions

[robyn]

i was informed in the dvc for spech chat game that wolves are most likely within players that play "suboptimally" tbh. Normally I try to be more nuanced in my reads with them but I have decided to try to push those players and see if my accuracy increases or decreases. Tl;dr you all are my test subjects tbh

i've noticed that most wolves tend to struggle with posting in the early game (kind of like how i picked up on twice being awkward on page 1 of the spec chat invitational that just ended but then brushed it off when he got townier, or how i was able to pick up on hells being fake-solvey right away), and that's bcuz they haven't gotten into the flow of the game yet and are primarily concerned with "blending in" and not attracting any negative attention to themselves

i think it's uniquely easy to catch wolves in the first few pages of the game because of this, and lily's posts came the closest of meeting the archetype of somebody who was focused primarily with "blending in" and trying to seem natural. it's not really about whether she does it every game - it's about the timing, the flow, etc etc

i understand that this type of read has a high margin of error though

also i agree with this take about early game posts tbh
sadly i misread variance for it, but it did make me start town reading him eventually tbh

how does the top apply to creature in this instance, Boq

[MacDougall]

Okay here are some quotes from Creature from this game Lucy has pulled irt how he treats teammates (August this year so very recent, probably Creature's most recent wolfrand).

Teammate Lucy

I really want to see Lucy town game, so far this isn’t good

I want to see your town game, so far this is good

I don't find lucy wolfy either. I feel like she's playing her towngame and I believe she is a juicy mislynch too.

I don't find lucy wolfy either. I feel like she's playing her towngame and I believe she is a juicy mislynch too.

I think she may have some W equity, tbh.

Her reaction to Esooa/BATM's push was nagl and feels like a wolf appeasing their pushers.

I dunno. The few posts I have seen from her felt frustrated town and in line with her towngame.

I think she may have some W equity, tbh.

Her reaction to Esooa/BATM's push was nagl and feels like a wolf appeasing their pushers.

I dunno. The few posts I have seen from her felt frustrated town and in line with her towngame.

Does Lucy have this response to people pushing her as V?

tbh I don't remember her ever being seriously considered to be a wagon before, but I remember one time she reacted to my push on her.

I think she may have some W equity, tbh.

Her reaction to Esooa/BATM's push was nagl and feels like a wolf appeasing their pushers.

I dunno. The few posts I have seen from her felt frustrated town and in line with her towngame.

Does Lucy have this response to people pushing her as V?

tbh I don't remember her ever being seriously considered to be a wagon before, but I remember one time she reacted to my push on her.

i will say with a thread lacking all conflict and completely consensus means wolves are okay with me getting lynched, don’t think you guys will arrive to that conclusion

Tbh there's actual conflict like Vivax trying to claim that I'm a wolf trying to save Sable.

What are you takes on those?

he’s probably right but arguing is something i won’t do here

Do you think I am a wolf?

lol I doubt lucy is a wolf

Meh lucy still prob flips town

Batman/Lucy/Sable/Snow?

lol at this team

Also Vivax with the wild 3/4 read lol.

Anyway it's pretty comfortable to see that Creature is a big time shielder. Like sells out hard to shield teammates. So let's have a look and see who that looks like.

[MacDougall]

Creature was pushing Lily a lot in the early game. And came out shielding Arogame hard, and Lucy to a lesser extent (ironically). Though if you read his wolfgame quotes, you'll see that he kept saying Lucy was town at the same time as he was saying Ciderhead was town, so there's probably an inclination to make one real read while shielding just so he doesn't feel so exposed by it.

He was absolutely horrible to Lily though.

aww creatue beat me to it lol

Initiative

mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

this post in particular felt a bit out of place and like the type of post i would make as a nervous wolf who felt pressured to join in on the meme posting but idk if i actually believe this

i've been making posts like this every game sadly

Also yeah this post sucks ass

It feels like typical wolf response for a push they deem wrong reasons