Mafia Misplay Mafia

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I do think it's potentially just like 2 in like Lily Esooa TSP Sabi

And like Mac made himself such an obvious target to let someone go super deep off him when it became apparent that people were hard TRing his partners

Lily Sabi or some stupid shit. But I still don't want to shoot in the dark without looking at the obvious thing first.

Do you still feel this way?

Yes

[Sabiplz]

But I've repeatedly stated I'm not cleared. And there's different levels of theatre that one can read into. Not all arguments are created equal.

Can you expand on that and use examples from this game?


Like how do you categorize:

Hk x lily never scum

Esooa x mac esooa and Mac got into it?

HK x neon we could be teamed

Sabi x mac could be teamed

Lily x mac could be teamed

HK x mac could be teamed

I'll add Esooa x HK never teamed

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Expand on your reasoning.

I need ur worldview ma'am

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But I've repeatedly stated I'm not cleared. And there's different levels of theatre that one can read into. Not all arguments are created equal.

Can you expand on that and use examples from this game?


Like how do you categorize:

Hk x lily never scum

Esooa x mac esooa and Mac got into it?

HK x neon we could be teamed

Sabi x mac could be teamed

Lily x mac could be teamed

HK x mac could be teamed

I'll add Esooa x HK never teamed

In quote

Expand on your reasoning.

I need ur worldview ma'am

It kind of literally just boils down to how personal and how genuine each fight felt.

I actually think Mac could've straight up outed the fact that y'all were doing theatre but I also don't think Mac ever just slips like that.

[Sabiplz]

But I've repeatedly stated I'm not cleared. And there's different levels of theatre that one can read into. Not all arguments are created equal.

Can you expand on that and use examples from this game?


Like how do you categorize:

Hk x lily never scum

Esooa x mac esooa and Mac got into it?

HK x neon we could be teamed

Sabi x mac could be teamed

Lily x mac could be teamed

HK x mac could be teamed

I'll add Esooa x HK never teamed

In quote

Expand on your reasoning.

I need ur worldview ma'am

It kind of literally just boils down to how personal and how genuine each fight felt.

I actually think Mac could've straight up outed the fact that y'all were doing theatre but I also don't think Mac ever just slips like that.

All of macs fights involved him insulting people's skills in the game of their meta.

Lily was defensive and didn't stoop that low which kinda shows partnership, it felt awkward Ave forced compared to the other two.

HK did touch kit but it was mainly defensive which is mixed bag but leans not partnery because it felt unplanned

Esooa did stoop that low by insulting him which I feel like isn't partnery because Mac seemed genuinely upset about her comments.

[Sabiplz]

But I've repeatedly stated I'm not cleared. And there's different levels of theatre that one can read into. Not all arguments are created equal.

Can you expand on that and use examples from this game?


Like how do you categorize:

Hk x lily never scum

Esooa x mac esooa and Mac got into it?

HK x neon we could be teamed

Sabi x mac could be teamed

Lily x mac could be teamed

HK x mac could be teamed

I'll add Esooa x HK never teamed

In quote

Expand on your reasoning.

I need ur worldview ma'am

It kind of literally just boils down to how personal and how genuine each fight felt.

I actually think Mac could've straight up outed the fact that y'all were doing theatre but I also don't think Mac ever just slips like that.

All of macs fights involved him insulting people's skills in the game of their meta.

Lily was defensive and didn't stoop that low which kinda shows partnership, it felt awkward Ave forced compared to the other two.

HK did touch kit but it was mainly defensive which is mixed bag but leans not partnery because it felt unplanned

Esooa did stoop that low by insulting him which I feel like isn't partnery because Mac seemed genuinely upset about her comments.

Go low not touch kit **

[Sabiplz]

I'm not going to analyze my fight with Mac for obv reasons

[Sabiplz]

But yea Mac is too prideful and ego driven to have his partners insult him in theater.

We know how he is. He would blow up the whole team at that point.

[Sabiplz]

Did porscha have any significant alterations with Mac?

[Sabiplz]

Ugh re isoing Mac to find clues

[Sabiplz]

the town case of wilgz

Wilgz is a relic of a not so distant past of syndicate where day ones barely reached 10 pages (slow paced games). He is a slanker/low poster who has recently as of last game decided to go heavy on posting D1 (120 posts) to squish his slanker vibes.

The things about Wilgz that makes him towny:

He was the first to push Mac. W!Wilgz in a world of T!Mac would not push that slot because he doesn't have the thread presence or ability to counter that. (disregard this if this was w/w scum theater)

He has been solving those that he is familar with. Yes he hasn't really engaged with the new faces in this game but he was like that to me for my first two games. He doesn't know you and he needs meta and experience with you to know how to read you.

I will admit I don't have experience with w!Wilgz but after rlast game where I killed him in the f3 because i got paranoid of his posting drop (due to surgery).

But yea let's look at Wilgz posts shall we:

► Show Spoiler

I veto the kingmaker.

I want to play mafia not follow an angry old aussie man.

you sound jealous

Nah I'm good love. I like being young and not aussie.

What's so wrong with Mac as king tho?

This post then having this

ok I'm going to try to maintain a nice positive atmosphere for our new friends to enjoy so that will be the last of my toxicity for this game

AAAAAAAAAAH wolf Mac.

Sabi was right to SPECIFICALLY dislike kingmaker on the premise that MAC is king.

Is such a genuine towny moment. I don't see scum doing this whole act of having an omg moment after catching someone.

ok I'm going to try to maintain a nice positive atmosphere for our new friends to enjoy so that will be the last of my toxicity for this game

AAAAAAAAAAH wolf Mac.

Sabi was right to SPECIFICALLY dislike kingmaker on the premise that MAC is king.

elaborate

I didn't read any of your previous posts as toxic. Feels weird for you to say you aren't going to be toxic, when I only saw disgruntlement.

You caught Sabi very clearly last game I saw you play, is this the same Sabi?

I like the aspect of him trying to poke into macs mind esp in regards to me.

Town:
Sabi
HK
Achro
Lily
Porscha

Everyone else is W.

Fight me.

Wanna explain these reads

You seem in your d1 town range based on last game.

HK seems to be moving the RVS along.

Achro's is only slight, but it's out of merit that openly discussing kingmaker helps us get out of RVS.

Lily came in swinging and that's a slight town tell.

Porscha seems in d1 town range.

These reads feel real and nuanced for sod1 reads.

hk you seem much more fluid in your posting than you did in our quirky wolf game together

therefore i shall foolishly town read u

He's still in his wolf range lily

I think once I caught HK with like a single post. idk. Maybe I'm over confident in my HK read, but I agree with Lily here.

Townie mindset esp the the whole over confident in his HK scumread.

So Esooa, Jack, and rising? Anyone else.

Why do you think everyone has been towny?

There's been weirdness so far

im def joking that everyone who posted is towny but tbh im not very good at critically looking at rvs or taking it too seriously so any weirdness i just shrug off as rvs whatevers. feel like any time i put any merit into rvs it turns out the weird ppl are just town

i have a secret condition where i have to be wagoned by half the game before my solving powers kick in

So you only solve when youre pressured, noted.

I still want your genuine thoughts.

I have seen your wolf game lily. I have my eyes on you

Describe Lily's wolf game for me

This line of questioning fro him to get my pov/world view was towny of him

Anyway reads:

DrWilgy V
HK V

Secret Read - W

That's it for now.

what is this secret read bullshit?

I've never understood this one. If you have a secret read just don't list it and let the game progress. Needless characters on a page otherwise.

For further details and understanding google 'wilgy dumb'

Because reactions to games can be useful and a part of playing the greater game.

Genuinely curious as to what AI information you'd get out of this.

Like a falsified read, I'd get.

A claim on how one should play, I'd get.

Even voting to get a reaction I'd get.

How does 'I got a secret' generate proper reaction data that is AI? Hell even my response right now towards it I don't think exists anywhere near AI.

Towny reaction from him about the bullshit secret reads. No reason w! Wilgz would shake that tree

There's more reads but I'm phone posting and the site is glitch now @risiinq-

ty this is a good post

nobody is pressuring wilgy tho

Hm

[Sabiplz]

Aight so I've just had a bit of a dwell on my legacy and here it is

Strong town

Porscha /_\
Achro
Neon /_\

Lean town

Sabi
Santy /_\
Jack
Nanook

Lean Wolf (no order)

Snow /_\
Esooa /_\
Lily
Wilgy

Gl town. Sorry I've been trash.

@magdougal pawn-friend. Tell me about read-reads marked with special skaven triangle symbol-mark.

Porscha is a fairly polarised player and is just sbpc town almost always. Neon has been hard mac siding. I don't think Santy is a good enough wolf to be pulling this off but like maybe I'm just shit. I will self pres them before the day ends if a miracle doesn't occur. Snow has not been towny by their measures. The reactions they've made do not come across like someone doing anything but trying to survive. Esooa just feels insincere to me.

Strong town

Porscha /_\
Achro
Neon /_\

Lean town

Sabi
Santy /_\
Jack
Nanook

Lean Wolf (no order)

Snow /_\
Esooa /_\
Lily
Wilgy

[Sabiplz]

I think HK kinda has to be mafia based on how I'm reading people.

If Sabi is town the game is probably a lot easier so here's my hypothetical readslist in that context.

Town

Sabi
Porscha
Neon

Lean Town

Achro

Nanook
Jack
Santygrass

Lean Wolf

Esooa or Lily

Wolf

Risiinq
HK

I can't really see town winning this game if HK is town.

Town

Sabi
Porscha
Neon

Lean Town

Achro

Nanook
Jack
Santygrass

Lean Wolf

Esooa or Lily

Wolf

Risiinq
HK

[Sabiplz]

Why did Mac leave off hk in both reads list

[Sabiplz]

Do I just keep talking to myself?

[Lilypetal]

no

[Sabiplz]

no

Thots?

[Esooa]

Notes on Esooa and Lily from the clue game:

• w!lily has trouble committing to votes that she scum reads
  
  • @Esooa do you feel like that is true

• w!lily that game is different than w!lily in upick irt she bussed her teammates in upick and shielding them in clue

• t!Esooa seems just as bored in that game as this game which goes along with their explanations of being over mafia
  
  • @Lilypetal thoughts on this since you said it was a wolf tell

• t!Esooa just feels the same as this game. Kinda disengaged and potatoe esque

What are yalls thoughts on each other in that game compared to this game?

sure

[Esooa]

Neon you seem like a wolf getting ahead of yourself. Why is HK a wolf here

how is neon ever a wolf lol

The way she's posting rn is giving me doubts that she's town.

Pushing HK? bruh

So from your pov those pushing on HK are never wolves? What does that make tsp, Neon and me?

I think her posts/stances are reasonable, not something that would make someone doubt shes town

[Esooa]

Anyway my point is there are no longer easy NKs for wolves. The past 2 NKs were obvious. Kill hk see what nk is we figure game out from there

I kinda think Porscha/Sabi would be obvious NKs since N1 and yet here they are

Sabi isn't getting NKed before n4 in this game. Especially when mac is a wolf.

Porscha I assume should be nked soon and the longer she is left alive the more sus she is

the longer anyone is left alive based on NK-only analysis means that anybody will be equally more likely to be wolf. congratulations great conclusion

oh this was another nk related post re the question earlier that i was thinking of specifically

[Esooa]

also after reading more Porscha posts I can agree to her being town tbh don't really think she's actually a wolf

What made you change your mind irt this?

don't remember

[Lilypetal]

Notes on Esooa and Lily from the clue game:

• w!lily has trouble committing to votes that she scum reads
  
  • @Esooa do you feel like that is true

• w!lily that game is different than w!lily in upick irt she bussed her teammates in upick and shielding them in clue

• t!Esooa seems just as bored in that game as this game which goes along with their explanations of being over mafia
  
  • @Lilypetal thoughts on this since you said it was a wolf tell

• t!Esooa just feels the same as this game. Kinda disengaged and potatoe esque

What are yalls thoughts on each other in that game compared to this game?

sure

yeah esooa is just town lol

that gave should help confirm it for u that hk is a wolf

[Lilypetal]

game* oop

[Sabiplz]

Notes on Esooa and Lily from the clue game:

• w!lily has trouble committing to votes that she scum reads
  
  • @Esooa do you feel like that is true

• w!lily that game is different than w!lily in upick irt she bussed her teammates in upick and shielding them in clue

• t!Esooa seems just as bored in that game as this game which goes along with their explanations of being over mafia
  
  • @Lilypetal thoughts on this since you said it was a wolf tell

• t!Esooa just feels the same as this game. Kinda disengaged and potatoe esque

What are yalls thoughts on each other in that game compared to this game?

sure

OK but what are your thoughts on lily from that game to this game

[Sabiplz]

Notes on Esooa and Lily from the clue game:

• w!lily has trouble committing to votes that she scum reads
  
  • @Esooa do you feel like that is true

• w!lily that game is different than w!lily in upick irt she bussed her teammates in upick and shielding them in clue

• t!Esooa seems just as bored in that game as this game which goes along with their explanations of being over mafia
  
  • @Lilypetal thoughts on this since you said it was a wolf tell

• t!Esooa just feels the same as this game. Kinda disengaged and potatoe esque

What are yalls thoughts on each other in that game compared to this game?

sure

yeah esooa is just town lol

that gave should help confirm it for u that hk is a wolf

I just am struggling to let go of my tr on HK even tho Mac spew on him is confusing

I'm not going to fight yall on yeeting him.

[Sabiplz]

@TonyStarkPrime can you please play the game that you subbed into

[Sabiplz]

Yall have me for a limited amount of time. Speak now or forever hold ur peace

[Esooa]

Notes on Esooa and Lily from the clue game:

• w!lily has trouble committing to votes that she scum reads
  
  • @Esooa do you feel like that is true

• w!lily that game is different than w!lily in upick irt she bussed her teammates in upick and shielding them in clue

• t!Esooa seems just as bored in that game as this game which goes along with their explanations of being over mafia
  
  • @Lilypetal thoughts on this since you said it was a wolf tell

• t!Esooa just feels the same as this game. Kinda disengaged and potatoe esque

What are yalls thoughts on each other in that game compared to this game?

sure

OK but what are your thoughts on lily from that game to this game

Think they way she made scum reads and explain reads in general was a lot less towny is the biggest thing

[Sabiplz]

Vagina

[Sabiplz]

Before I leave for my interview:

Cna we have everyone leave legacies.

I hope whoever is alive follows the legacy left behind

@Porscha @Neon @Esooa @Lilypetal @hollowkatt @TonyStarkPrime

I will leave mine soon

[Lilypetal]

legacy :

if hk flips w it should arguably clear most of the cast that's left. the last wolf is probably in porscha/tsp

if hk flips v then tbh idk esooa seems super town and i rly dont think shes a wolf but like knowing my luck she is a wolf and she's gonna make fun of me after this game

[hollowkatt]

legacy :

if hk flips w it should arguably clear most of the cast that's left. the last wolf is probably in porscha/tsp

if hk flips v then tbh idk esooa seems super town and i rly dont think shes a wolf but like knowing my luck she is a wolf and she's gonna make fun of me after this game

so no matter what esooa is town?
I come to the opposite conclusion. I town read you, porscha, and sabi. Leaving the two wolves to be in the other three, neon, esooa, TSP. That's my legacy.

I find it interesting you town read esooa given all she's done for 3 days is push me and I'm going to flip town, so how you get "if HK flips V esooa is lock town" out of that I'll never understand.

anyways, gl everyone, this has been one of the games of all time.

[Esooa]

legacy :

if hk flips w it should arguably clear most of the cast that's left. the last wolf is probably in porscha/tsp

if hk flips v then tbh idk esooa seems super town and i rly dont think shes a wolf but like knowing my luck she is a wolf and she's gonna make fun of me after this game

so no matter what esooa is town?
I come to the opposite conclusion. I town read you, porscha, and sabi. Leaving the two wolves to be in the other three, neon, esooa, TSP. That's my legacy.

I find it interesting you town read esooa given all she's done for 3 days is push me and I'm going to flip town, so how you get "if HK flips V esooa is lock town" out of that I'll never understand.

anyways, gl everyone, this has been one of the games of all time.

of your PoE the only person I see as possibly a wolf there is TSP

[Esooa]

like ok it's less "I think neon is a wolf" and more "I strongly don't think sabi, porscha, or lily are wolves"

also don't understand how you get to this and decide from the PoE presented to you, the most reasonable vote today is Neon

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime can you please play the game that you subbed into

No

[TonyStarkPrime]

I maintain and will maintain that flipping HK is probably not a winning play and that’s that

[Esooa]

my point being, by all accounts of your PoE, you should almost know TSP is a wolf and is the easiest wolf. Or even me, because as you've said I've been pushing you for three days (Even though this goes against you saying wolves are saving you for later on and everything else), but Neon makes no sense to me

[Sabiplz]

@TonyStarkPrime can you please play the game that you subbed into

No

Good talk

[TonyStarkPrime]

That said my second read is that HK is pretty wrong about the gamestate so unless it actually is esooa neon then HK dying might be necessary anyways

[Sabiplz]

@hollowkatt why neon

[TonyStarkPrime]

Esooa can you find HK town by nature of his illogicity here

[Esooa]

Esooa can you find HK town by nature of his illogicity here

How so

[Esooa]

Have you read anything wolfy by Porscha? Or what are the posts from HK you think are so towny?

[Esooa]

also Neon is like 100% town and that's my strongest read, if I'm wrong on it I'm just an awful mafia player legit lmao

[Sabiplz]

I maintain and will maintain that flipping HK is probably not a winning play and that’s that

That said my second read is that HK is pretty wrong about the gamestate so unless it actually is esooa neon then HK dying might be necessary anyways

What kinda hedgy opinion is this

[Esooa]

I maintain and will maintain that flipping HK is probably not a winning play and that’s that

That said my second read is that HK is pretty wrong about the gamestate so unless it actually is esooa neon then HK dying might be necessary anyways

What kinda hedgy opinion is this

It's not really that hedgy lol

[Esooa]

legacy :

if hk flips w it should arguably clear most of the cast that's left. the last wolf is probably in porscha/tsp

if hk flips v then tbh idk esooa seems super town and i rly dont think shes a wolf but like knowing my luck she is a wolf and she's gonna make fun of me after this game

btw Lily's legacy on HK v just being paranoia about me being a wolf while saying I'm super town and no other reads is p towny imo

[Sabiplz]

I maintain and will maintain that flipping HK is probably not a winning play and that’s that

That said my second read is that HK is pretty wrong about the gamestate so unless it actually is esooa neon then HK dying might be necessary anyways

What kinda hedgy opinion is this

It's not really that hedgy lol

He can't commit to a world view

[Esooa]

I maintain and will maintain that flipping HK is probably not a winning play and that’s that

That said my second read is that HK is pretty wrong about the gamestate so unless it actually is esooa neon then HK dying might be necessary anyways

What kinda hedgy opinion is this

It's not really that hedgy lol

He can't commit to a world view

Both posts are the same world view of HK being town lmao

[Sabiplz]

I maintain and will maintain that flipping HK is probably not a winning play and that’s that

That said my second read is that HK is pretty wrong about the gamestate so unless it actually is esooa neon then HK dying might be necessary anyways

What kinda hedgy opinion is this

It's not really that hedgy lol

He can't commit to a world view

Both posts are the same world view of HK being town lmao

Maybe I misread but he said how flipping HK isn't necessary but then says it is?

[Sabiplz]

Maybe I'm a dumb ass