King of the Hill Mafia

[staypositivefriend]

that's literally just called lying. if u quote a part of mac's posts to justify your argument but then leave out part of the same posts that diminishes your point, that is lying

if youre town then wtf

[RondoDimBuckle]

if you just did something so blatantly dishonest as town then like jesus christ my dude

I love that you are making a big deal of this today trying to get me as a wagon, making me think the SPF/Seanzie world is a real one. Only if it was w/w would you do something this silly. I posted this DAYS ago and you said nothing about it then. I repost now and all of a sudden its a huge misplay

[staypositivefriend]

btw if arogame kills me over seanzie today then i think there's a possibility that he/seanzie are W/W together, since he has no real reasons to townread seanzie from his point of view and since i think he would be able to reasonably get to a world where i'm town if he was town too

if he votes seanzie and seanzie is W then he is probably clear and shouldn't be tinfoileed

[staypositivefriend]

if you just did something so blatantly dishonest as town then like jesus christ my dude

I love that you are making a big deal of this today trying to get me as a wagon, making me think the SPF/Seanzie world is a real one. Only if it was w/w would you do something this silly. I posted this DAYS ago and you said nothing about it then. I repost now and all of a sudden its a huge misplay

i am literally trying to get seanzie killed over you today. i have no interest in killing you today in spite of the fact that you just proudly admitted to lying to make your argument look better

[RondoDimBuckle]

that's literally just called lying. if u quote a part of mac's posts to justify your argument but then leave out part of the same posts that diminishes your point, that is lying

if youre town then wtf

no lying is stating that it is fact and whole truth of what mac is saying. I am saying these things that a dead towny that cant re-evaluate support my worldview

[RondoDimBuckle]

if you just did something so blatantly dishonest as town then like jesus christ my dude

I love that you are making a big deal of this today trying to get me as a wagon, making me think the SPF/Seanzie world is a real one. Only if it was w/w would you do something this silly. I posted this DAYS ago and you said nothing about it then. I repost now and all of a sudden its a huge misplay

i am literally trying to get seanzie killed over you today. i have no interest in killing you today in spite of the fact that you just proudly admitted to lying to make your argument look better

If you are wolf here and seanzie is also wolf then you need to try to make another wagon appear. Best option is to make me look scummy as fuck and hope popular opinion swings. Because to just vote me here is outing

[staypositivefriend]

but the dead towny explicitly DISAGREED with your worldview, so pointing out something that a dead towny said that agrees with you while leaving out the part that disagrees with you ....is, in fact, lying

[arogame123]

ok back

[staypositivefriend]

if you just did something so blatantly dishonest as town then like jesus christ my dude

I love that you are making a big deal of this today trying to get me as a wagon, making me think the SPF/Seanzie world is a real one. Only if it was w/w would you do something this silly. I posted this DAYS ago and you said nothing about it then. I repost now and all of a sudden its a huge misplay

i am literally trying to get seanzie killed over you today. i have no interest in killing you today in spite of the fact that you just proudly admitted to lying to make your argument look better

If you are wolf here and seanzie is also wolf then you need to try to make another wagon appear. Best option is to make me look scummy as fuck and hope popular opinion swings. Because to just vote me here is outing

if im trying to make a wagon on you appear then im doing the shittiest job in t he world considering i just told nanook i think it's possible that youre town and that i would always kill seanzie before you

[RondoDimBuckle]

but the dead towny explicitly DISAGREED with your worldview, so pointing out something that a dead towny said that agrees with you while leaving out the part that disagrees with you ....is, in fact, lying

Mac can be wrong, I disagree with his assessment that you are town. I can also be wrong. But here we are

[RondoDimBuckle]

but the dead towny explicitly DISAGREED with your worldview, so pointing out something that a dead towny said that agrees with you while leaving out the part that disagrees with you ....is, in fact, lying

It makes me smile every time you say its lying.

[staypositivefriend]

you openly implied that mac died because he thought that me/alison were W/W even though mac explicitly thought that me/alison were not W/W. that is LYING

[RondoDimBuckle]

if you just did something so blatantly dishonest as town then like jesus christ my dude

I love that you are making a big deal of this today trying to get me as a wagon, making me think the SPF/Seanzie world is a real one. Only if it was w/w would you do something this silly. I posted this DAYS ago and you said nothing about it then. I repost now and all of a sudden its a huge misplay

i am literally trying to get seanzie killed over you today. i have no interest in killing you today in spite of the fact that you just proudly admitted to lying to make your argument look better

If you are wolf here and seanzie is also wolf then you need to try to make another wagon appear. Best option is to make me look scummy as fuck and hope popular opinion swings. Because to just vote me here is outing

if im trying to make a wagon on you appear then im doing the shittiest job in t he world considering i just told nanook i think it's possible that youre town and that i would always kill seanzie before you

yes because if I was in your position I would need someone else to decide I am scum and vote me.... its what I just said

[staypositivefriend]

this is unironically just gaslighting lol

[Lilypetal]

mac was going to die n2 regardless so the whole argument feels kinda meh.

[RondoDimBuckle]

you openly implied that mac died because he thought that me/alison were W/W even though mac explicitly thought that me/alison were not W/W. that is LYING

I stated that Mac had a tinfoil on you. I liked the tinfoil argument in light of the Alison flip. There is no implication. You can make up implications and assumptions all you want

[arogame123]

i'm really sleep deprived but i'll be around a decent amount tomorrow

really hope that i dont get miseliminated today because half the game is barely even playing when i am blatantly town to anyone who even slightly understands my wolf meta or how i tend to play games. if u cant figure out that im town then just trust that mac was right about me and that i wouldn't kill him when he was constantly shielding me

He did have a tinfoil because you were sheilding Alison knowing what kind of behaviour she could display and calling her town which could be why he died night 2. I am not going to shield your spot when exactly that happened and I haven't felt good about you all game

he actually went out of his way to call me his most confident townread and said that the way i was interacting with alison made me clearly unpartnered with her. if you're going to discredit the legacy of a dead player you should at least read what his posts were

Iook forward to quoting this when I get home

Spoiler: show

Town with relatively large amount of confidence

SPF - SPF's pattern in this game matches her town game. Not only in the fact that she's attracting her usual share of random tinfoil from others (including me) but also in her own play. One thing I will say is that if Creature is town I don't think SPF is ever mafia. SPF as mafia would not bury a townie the way they've buried Creature today. SPF is hyper conscious of her TMI as mafia and she would be far more inclined to feel the need to be right on Creature, especially given Creature did not begin the day a foregone conclusion for a chop. The ONLY way this play makes sense for SPF is if either Creature is her partner and she is bussing him, or Alison is her partner and she is selling out her optics hard just to get Alison to day 3. But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative. Now the key here is that Creature is probably mafia regardless of SPF's alignment. If SPF is mafia, this is probably a bus, and if she is town, well she's SPF and when she zones in on a read like this I've rarely ever seen it be wrong.

Lucy - I can't really point at one individual thing here from inside the game but I've just had the sense she's been town the entire time. For her to be mafia she'd need to be pocketing me hard as she kept saying things like "Mac will get us a pelt" on repeat. Outside of that she would need to have levelled her mafia range quite substantially to be one here as she has hardly been pushed by a single player, which just doesn't feel like wolf Lucy would have occur.

NANOOK - I have been dwelling on this for a while, and I think the summary I made about Nanook's end of day 1 is nearly clearing for him. Wolf Nanook playing the EOD the way that he did and landing on town Falcon after being positioned to gain a lot of cred from wolf Alison flip doesn't make any sense. If Alison was town, the eod didn't require Nanook to do anything and his focus on not ensuring a tie, while perhaps could just have been him hamming it up, I don't think it was. He has not played day 2 like someone with any agenda.

Seanzie - I just think he's obvious town, like his play has a major lack of TMI to it. He's going through his town Seanzie pattern and has been the entire game. Dude is a polarised noob.

Rondo - He's obviously been very "townie" on day 2 with his catch up and really making himself the central person in the game, and while I don't think that alone is outside his scumrange, it isn't likely to be the way I'd expect scum Rondo to play after subbing in to a slank slot and starting the game off trolling. One post he made that really felt town was when he told Seanzie about the time he snowed me and how orgasmic it was. Given I was strongly townreading Rondo at that point and he knew it, his mindset would have been that he was in the midst of snowing me x 2 and I doubt it ever occurs to him to reminisce about the time that he did if he was in the middle of doing it again. Feels like one of those dumb reads that are right.

Porscha - Porscha's known scumrange has been exceeded. It is possible that she is being pushed into this but I feel like for her to exceed her scumrange the way she is she'd need to have a dance partner. As much as it might seem strange I think Porscha is only mafia if Alison is mafia and the day 1 was a drama show. That said, I also feel like if Porscha was a wolf (and especially if Alison was one partner), that this day 2 would be going very differently for her.

Here is another way to play.

10 v 3
8 v 3
6 v 3
4 v 3 limlo

Three mischops til f7.

Critically bad mischops are the players that the mafia will want to kill themselves. SPF, Arogame, Boquise, myself. Several of these players should be self resolved by f7. So you just shouldn't bother chopping this group and shouldn't even really bother even humouring it (even if one or several of us are wolves tbh). I think it's pro mafia to even tinfoil these four names honestly.

It should just be a combined effort primarily led by these four names to actually coordinate the chops because of that. Even if they are mafia it will be enticing to townside and bus.

If we're allowed to lead, and somehow get to f7 without any wolves dead, I'll retire from mafia (and it should also out some fools and give us the best chance of limlo anyway).

So @staypositivefriend @arogame123 @Boquise shall we get to work?

Obviously my strong preference today is to resolve Alison. If Alison flips town then I'd be 100% inclined to just kill whoever she leaves in her legacy.
I already know SPF doesn't subscribe to the idea of needing to resolve the day 1 wagons. Which bothers me a great deal especially when it's Alison of all people, someone I know SPF knows Alison can fool her. And I think I've made several compelling arguments for why Alison is a wolf. I don't think she is playing the game like town Alison really at all and hasn't been for most of it.

My feeling on each other slot:

arogame123 - I have had moments of tinfoil as I am prone to, but I don't have any interest in playing into it. Arogame has been largely a steadying influence on the game and I'd rather let them continue to do that. I don't really know exactly where their head is at though.

Porscha - I saw Boq and Arogame kind of coalesce on a townread here, I have a similar read for similar reasons. I think Porscha is out of her scumrange.

Boquise - Feels like the most sane person in the game every time they post. They come across like an adult who keeps checking on the kids and finding chaos every time.

Seanzie - There were some posts on day 1 that just felt townie. Seanzie has some seriously tilting takes but there is an overwhelming lack of TMI in their play. I just don't think Seanzie as a wolf plays this way (especially knowing I am town).

Creature - I really struggle to get past how Creature was handling the end of day. Pushing Falcon for their own reasons but continuously promoting the idea that I was alone in my Falcon push. Blaming me for it. Then coming out today and immediately putting me on the backfoot for chopping a town like chopping Falcon in a split is even AI for me to begin with. I just don't think his reads make any sense either.

Lilypetal - I feel weird about Lilypetal but I don't want to chop them. I don't really know how to articulate my feelings on Lilypetal and wouldn't mind fleshing out some feelings on this slot.

Lucy - Probably my strongest townread. I think Lucy has been exceedingly sensible throughout the entire game so far and has a fire to their play that I really vibe with.

Rondo/Sparkles - Sparkles was slanky wolfy. Rondo has been actively scummy with no remorse. That this slot is not being tunneled by the wolves is tripping me out even harder. I have no idea why this slot isn't more of a topic of conversation. Especially from someone like Alison who by their own mafia beliefs should be probably doming Rondo by now.

Nanook - I... wouldn't be surprised if Nanook was mafia or town. At times my read has fluctuated from quite strong town, back to null. He's not really gone over the null line into lean wolf territory for me yet though. Probably another Nanook late game dies for rand reasons and flips town game. I guess having that thought alone makes me want to townread him.

Neon - I wanna say they are likely to be town here because they are kind of more pure than I remember their wolfgame being but they aren't exactly an incompetent wolf. We have swept a town before as wolf teammates. Probably need more flips to really get an idea of what's going on here. Potential late game miselim.

SPF - I am following my usual pattern of feeling like SPF is lock town, tinfoiling them, massively questioning their reads... I am rather inclined to break my pattern here and sheep them somewhat but... I worry about that backfiring. SPF's day 2 has been quite tilting and I've vibed with very very little of what they've said though. But as I said, that's the pattern with me and SPF.

Town

Lucy
Arogame
Boq
Porscha
Seanzie

Lean Town

SPF
Nanook
Neon
Lilypetal

POE

Alison
Creature
Rondo

Here Aero

To answer the question SPF/Seanzie isnt a terrible idea, SPF/Lily is out, Seanzie/Lily is good potential since Mac was clearing SPF and the only reason I scum read her is because exactly what Mac said was a bad reason for SPF to be behaving the way she was exactly happened. So I really think SPF is a hit just off Mac saying the only reason SPF is acting the way she is towards Alison is if they are partnered.


BUT

Nanook/Aero is a team I can see and Aero/Seanzie

If someone can show me why they are not teamed that would help

Well I know those last 2 teams don't exist lol, but it seems like Seanzie exists in both of your possible teams you mentioned above based on the associations you have.

Can you explain the reason you mentioned you believe SPF is likely mafia based on the "Mac tinfoil" you stated. I remembered Mac was stating that SPF was unlikely to be partnered with Alison and more so with Creature bc she could be "bussing" on Creature.

The way I see it is, Mac says "SPF is probably town here except she is acting weird towards Alison, its probably fine except for if Alison is wolf then it would make sense why SPF is ignoring Alison for not doing what she usually does and also not pushing her as hard as I expected" then Alison flips wolf and Mac dies the same night.

Can you quote the exact post where Mac said that? I remember the post/legacy he had where he mentioned SPF and ALison are likely unpartnered and where SPF might be partnered with Creature.

[arogame123]

Town with relatively large amount of confidence

SPF - SPF's pattern in this game matches her town game. Not only in the fact that she's attracting her usual share of random tinfoil from others (including me) but also in her own play. One thing I will say is that if Creature is town I don't think SPF is ever mafia. SPF as mafia would not bury a townie the way they've buried Creature today. SPF is hyper conscious of her TMI as mafia and she would be far more inclined to feel the need to be right on Creature, especially given Creature did not begin the day a foregone conclusion for a chop. The ONLY way this play makes sense for SPF is if either Creature is her partner and she is bussing him, or Alison is her partner and she is selling out her optics hard just to get Alison to day 3. But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative. Now the key here is that Creature is probably mafia regardless of SPF's alignment. If SPF is mafia, this is probably a bus, and if she is town, well she's SPF and when she zones in on a read like this I've rarely ever seen it be wrong.

Lucy - I can't really point at one individual thing here from inside the game but I've just had the sense she's been town the entire time. For her to be mafia she'd need to be pocketing me hard as she kept saying things like "Mac will get us a pelt" on repeat. Outside of that she would need to have levelled her mafia range quite substantially to be one here as she has hardly been pushed by a single player, which just doesn't feel like wolf Lucy would have occur.

NANOOK - I have been dwelling on this for a while, and I think the summary I made about Nanook's end of day 1 is nearly clearing for him. Wolf Nanook playing the EOD the way that he did and landing on town Falcon after being positioned to gain a lot of cred from wolf Alison flip doesn't make any sense. If Alison was town, the eod didn't require Nanook to do anything and his focus on not ensuring a tie, while perhaps could just have been him hamming it up, I don't think it was. He has not played day 2 like someone with any agenda.

Seanzie - I just think he's obvious town, like his play has a major lack of TMI to it. He's going through his town Seanzie pattern and has been the entire game. Dude is a polarised noob.

Rondo - He's obviously been very "townie" on day 2 with his catch up and really making himself the central person in the game, and while I don't think that alone is outside his scumrange, it isn't likely to be the way I'd expect scum Rondo to play after subbing in to a slank slot and starting the game off trolling. One post he made that really felt town was when he told Seanzie about the time he snowed me and how orgasmic it was. Given I was strongly townreading Rondo at that point and he knew it, his mindset would have been that he was in the midst of snowing me x 2 and I doubt it ever occurs to him to reminisce about the time that he did if he was in the middle of doing it again. Feels like one of those dumb reads that are right.

Porscha - Porscha's known scumrange has been exceeded. It is possible that she is being pushed into this but I feel like for her to exceed her scumrange the way she is she'd need to have a dance partner. As much as it might seem strange I think Porscha is only mafia if Alison is mafia and the day 1 was a drama show. That said, I also feel like if Porscha was a wolf (and especially if Alison was one partner), that this day 2 would be going very differently for her.

This was his last legacy post I believe

[RondoDimBuckle]

i'm really sleep deprived but i'll be around a decent amount tomorrow

really hope that i dont get miseliminated today because half the game is barely even playing when i am blatantly town to anyone who even slightly understands my wolf meta or how i tend to play games. if u cant figure out that im town then just trust that mac was right about me and that i wouldn't kill him when he was constantly shielding me

He did have a tinfoil because you were sheilding Alison knowing what kind of behaviour she could display and calling her town which could be why he died night 2. I am not going to shield your spot when exactly that happened and I haven't felt good about you all game

he actually went out of his way to call me his most confident townread and said that the way i was interacting with alison made me clearly unpartnered with her. if you're going to discredit the legacy of a dead player you should at least read what his posts were

Iook forward to quoting this when I get home

Spoiler: show

Town with relatively large amount of confidence

SPF - SPF's pattern in this game matches her town game. Not only in the fact that she's attracting her usual share of random tinfoil from others (including me) but also in her own play. One thing I will say is that if Creature is town I don't think SPF is ever mafia. SPF as mafia would not bury a townie the way they've buried Creature today. SPF is hyper conscious of her TMI as mafia and she would be far more inclined to feel the need to be right on Creature, especially given Creature did not begin the day a foregone conclusion for a chop. The ONLY way this play makes sense for SPF is if either Creature is her partner and she is bussing him, or Alison is her partner and she is selling out her optics hard just to get Alison to day 3. But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative. Now the key here is that Creature is probably mafia regardless of SPF's alignment. If SPF is mafia, this is probably a bus, and if she is town, well she's SPF and when she zones in on a read like this I've rarely ever seen it be wrong.

Lucy - I can't really point at one individual thing here from inside the game but I've just had the sense she's been town the entire time. For her to be mafia she'd need to be pocketing me hard as she kept saying things like "Mac will get us a pelt" on repeat. Outside of that she would need to have levelled her mafia range quite substantially to be one here as she has hardly been pushed by a single player, which just doesn't feel like wolf Lucy would have occur.

NANOOK - I have been dwelling on this for a while, and I think the summary I made about Nanook's end of day 1 is nearly clearing for him. Wolf Nanook playing the EOD the way that he did and landing on town Falcon after being positioned to gain a lot of cred from wolf Alison flip doesn't make any sense. If Alison was town, the eod didn't require Nanook to do anything and his focus on not ensuring a tie, while perhaps could just have been him hamming it up, I don't think it was. He has not played day 2 like someone with any agenda.

Seanzie - I just think he's obvious town, like his play has a major lack of TMI to it. He's going through his town Seanzie pattern and has been the entire game. Dude is a polarised noob.

Rondo - He's obviously been very "townie" on day 2 with his catch up and really making himself the central person in the game, and while I don't think that alone is outside his scumrange, it isn't likely to be the way I'd expect scum Rondo to play after subbing in to a slank slot and starting the game off trolling. One post he made that really felt town was when he told Seanzie about the time he snowed me and how orgasmic it was. Given I was strongly townreading Rondo at that point and he knew it, his mindset would have been that he was in the midst of snowing me x 2 and I doubt it ever occurs to him to reminisce about the time that he did if he was in the middle of doing it again. Feels like one of those dumb reads that are right.

Porscha - Porscha's known scumrange has been exceeded. It is possible that she is being pushed into this but I feel like for her to exceed her scumrange the way she is she'd need to have a dance partner. As much as it might seem strange I think Porscha is only mafia if Alison is mafia and the day 1 was a drama show. That said, I also feel like if Porscha was a wolf (and especially if Alison was one partner), that this day 2 would be going very differently for her.

Here is another way to play.

10 v 3
8 v 3
6 v 3
4 v 3 limlo

Three mischops til f7.

Critically bad mischops are the players that the mafia will want to kill themselves. SPF, Arogame, Boquise, myself. Several of these players should be self resolved by f7. So you just shouldn't bother chopping this group and shouldn't even really bother even humouring it (even if one or several of us are wolves tbh). I think it's pro mafia to even tinfoil these four names honestly.

It should just be a combined effort primarily led by these four names to actually coordinate the chops because of that. Even if they are mafia it will be enticing to townside and bus.

If we're allowed to lead, and somehow get to f7 without any wolves dead, I'll retire from mafia (and it should also out some fools and give us the best chance of limlo anyway).

So @staypositivefriend @arogame123 @Boquise shall we get to work?

Obviously my strong preference today is to resolve Alison. If Alison flips town then I'd be 100% inclined to just kill whoever she leaves in her legacy.
I already know SPF doesn't subscribe to the idea of needing to resolve the day 1 wagons. Which bothers me a great deal especially when it's Alison of all people, someone I know SPF knows Alison can fool her. And I think I've made several compelling arguments for why Alison is a wolf. I don't think she is playing the game like town Alison really at all and hasn't been for most of it.

My feeling on each other slot:

arogame123 - I have had moments of tinfoil as I am prone to, but I don't have any interest in playing into it. Arogame has been largely a steadying influence on the game and I'd rather let them continue to do that. I don't really know exactly where their head is at though.

Porscha - I saw Boq and Arogame kind of coalesce on a townread here, I have a similar read for similar reasons. I think Porscha is out of her scumrange.

Boquise - Feels like the most sane person in the game every time they post. They come across like an adult who keeps checking on the kids and finding chaos every time.

Seanzie - There were some posts on day 1 that just felt townie. Seanzie has some seriously tilting takes but there is an overwhelming lack of TMI in their play. I just don't think Seanzie as a wolf plays this way (especially knowing I am town).

Creature - I really struggle to get past how Creature was handling the end of day. Pushing Falcon for their own reasons but continuously promoting the idea that I was alone in my Falcon push. Blaming me for it. Then coming out today and immediately putting me on the backfoot for chopping a town like chopping Falcon in a split is even AI for me to begin with. I just don't think his reads make any sense either.

Lilypetal - I feel weird about Lilypetal but I don't want to chop them. I don't really know how to articulate my feelings on Lilypetal and wouldn't mind fleshing out some feelings on this slot.

Lucy - Probably my strongest townread. I think Lucy has been exceedingly sensible throughout the entire game so far and has a fire to their play that I really vibe with.

Rondo/Sparkles - Sparkles was slanky wolfy. Rondo has been actively scummy with no remorse. That this slot is not being tunneled by the wolves is tripping me out even harder. I have no idea why this slot isn't more of a topic of conversation. Especially from someone like Alison who by their own mafia beliefs should be probably doming Rondo by now.

Nanook - I... wouldn't be surprised if Nanook was mafia or town. At times my read has fluctuated from quite strong town, back to null. He's not really gone over the null line into lean wolf territory for me yet though. Probably another Nanook late game dies for rand reasons and flips town game. I guess having that thought alone makes me want to townread him.

Neon - I wanna say they are likely to be town here because they are kind of more pure than I remember their wolfgame being but they aren't exactly an incompetent wolf. We have swept a town before as wolf teammates. Probably need more flips to really get an idea of what's going on here. Potential late game miselim.

SPF - I am following my usual pattern of feeling like SPF is lock town, tinfoiling them, massively questioning their reads... I am rather inclined to break my pattern here and sheep them somewhat but... I worry about that backfiring. SPF's day 2 has been quite tilting and I've vibed with very very little of what they've said though. But as I said, that's the pattern with me and SPF.

Town

Lucy
Arogame
Boq
Porscha
Seanzie

Lean Town

SPF
Nanook
Neon
Lilypetal

POE

Alison
Creature
Rondo

Here Aero

To answer the question SPF/Seanzie isnt a terrible idea, SPF/Lily is out, Seanzie/Lily is good potential since Mac was clearing SPF and the only reason I scum read her is because exactly what Mac said was a bad reason for SPF to be behaving the way she was exactly happened. So I really think SPF is a hit just off Mac saying the only reason SPF is acting the way she is towards Alison is if they are partnered.


BUT

Nanook/Aero is a team I can see and Aero/Seanzie

If someone can show me why they are not teamed that would help

Well I know those last 2 teams don't exist lol, but it seems like Seanzie exists in both of your possible teams you mentioned above based on the associations you have.

Can you explain the reason you mentioned you believe SPF is likely mafia based on the "Mac tinfoil" you stated. I remembered Mac was stating that SPF was unlikely to be partnered with Alison and more so with Creature bc she could be "bussing" on Creature.

The way I see it is, Mac says "SPF is probably town here except she is acting weird towards Alison, its probably fine except for if Alison is wolf then it would make sense why SPF is ignoring Alison for not doing what she usually does and also not pushing her as hard as I expected" then Alison flips wolf and Mac dies the same night.

Can you quote the exact post where Mac said that? I remember the post/legacy he had where he mentioned SPF and ALison are likely unpartnered and where SPF might be partnered with Creature.

negative, SPF knows where it is though

[arogame123]

"The ONLY way this play makes sense for SPF is if either Creature is her partner and she is bussing him, or Alison is her partner and she is selling out her optics hard just to get Alison to day 3. But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative."

[staypositivefriend]

the way that rondo's posts was misleading/disingenuous is so self-evident that i dont really care to argue it further

[staypositivefriend]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

[RondoDimBuckle]

"The ONLY way this play makes sense for SPF is if either Creature is her partner and she is bussing him, or Alison is her partner and she is selling out her optics hard just to get Alison to day 3. But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative."

There is a third wolf that can look good instead of SPF and she can create chaos and anti-spew till lylo. You could be that wolf.

[arogame123]

The way I saw it was that Mac was pushing on SPF for potentially bussing to keep her town cred and would expect if SPF is mafia, to push on Alison to keep her cred and not treat her. Because from what I heard as well, SPF is a chronic busser as well, but that's what I was thinking in regards to Mac's post towards SPF's likelihood of being a partner to Alison.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Seanzie doesnt make it to lylo, Nanook is town for all I care, Porcha is town. I really only need to solve between SPF/Aero/Lily now

[arogame123]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

[arogame123]

Seanzie doesnt make it to lylo, Nanook is town for all I care, Porcha is town. I really only need to solve between SPF/Aero/Lily now

lol, welcome to the club. Check out the most recent post I put of the likelihood of pairings from most to least likely I just put.

[RondoDimBuckle]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

Technically my last post should say "Seanzie doesnt make it IN lylo" not to

I am happy to shoot my partners and then me if you are 100% there is a wolf in at least one of us

[staypositivefriend]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

okay wait, how the fuck do you perceive me and seanzie as being the most probable team and rondo/seanzie as being the least probable team? i am actively trying to get seanzie murdered today and am actively thunderdoming him, and you think that we still have W/W equity, but you think that rondo/seanzie don't have W/W because they had an awkward interactio once? are you serious?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Honestly killing Seanzie now is a good argument but its the same Argument that Nanook is making for SPF so either way we are looking at SPF > Seanzie or Seanzie > SPF so really the game is over already if both of them are town

[staypositivefriend]

also that tells me literally nothing about who you want to kill between me and seanzie rn, youre hedging

[arogame123]

how did seanzie and rondo interact?

-seanzie calls out rondo for not posting enough content in this post (viewtopic.php?p=956470#p956470) and then never follows up with it again

-after rondo makes a post asking seanzie a basic question about his reads, seanzie votes for rondo and says it is the "wolfiest post he has seen all game" (viewtopic.php?p=956777#p956777)

-on viewtopic.php?p=956852#p956852, seanzie refers to rondo as an "outed wolf"

-on viewtopic.php?p=957026#p957026, rondo/seanzie have a softball interaction about rondo's read on alison

-on viewtopic.php?p=958170#p958170, seanzie discredits my reasoning for townreading rondo and implies that it is fallacious

-in response to aro posting a list of towns, seanzie says that he thinks rondo and porscha are the two most likely who could be wolves, but they could all "easily be okay" (viewtopic.php?p=958470#p958470)

-seanzie responds to a post from rondo and says that he does not think rondo is town, and that he thinks the mafia are boq/lily. if one of boq/lily are town, he says he thinks that the mafia is me. if there's still a mafia after that, he thinks it would be rondo (viewtopic.php?p=958475#p958475)

from this point forward, the two of them continue to have some lightly contentious interactions that are pretty silly/lighthearted in tone

how did rondo and seanzie interact?


-rondo says that if alison flips mafia, seanzie is "town or deep wolf", which is a non-sequitur and a meaningless thing to say (viewtopic.php?p=956365#p956365)

-rondo says he likes a post from seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=954734#p954734)

-rondo asks creature to talk more about why he scumreads seanzie - does not follow up with this question ever again (viewtopic.php?p=956453#p956453)

-viewtopic.php?p=956731#p956731 softball interaction between the two of them

-rondo says that seanzie and alison have W/W equity on viewtopic.php?p=956737#p956737

-more softball interaction on viewtopic.php?p=956756#p956756

-viewtopic.php?p=956828#p956828 rondo implies that he townreads seanzie out of nowhere, in spite of his last interaction with seanzie implying that he thought that seanzie/alison had W/W equity

-rondo reacts to seanzie's vote on him by calling him an "outed wolf" viewtopic.php?p=956843#p956843

-....in spite of this, he calls seanzie a townlean shortly after anyway, and says it's because "seanzie made a ridiculous push on me" (viewtopic.php?p=957030#p957030)

-rono quotes a post from seanzie, calls it scummy, and says he "could go seanzie" (viewtopic.php?p=958474#p958474)

-rondo/seanzie have some brief interaction in which rondo cocnludes that he will "keep tunneling" seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=958481#p958481)

-viewtopic.php?p=960291#p960291 rondo says that he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf"

SO, in short, (this is the important part of the post that you should read):

from seanzie's side of things, seanzie very briefly pushed rondo at a couple of points throughout d1 and d2 - referring to him as an "outed wolf" and saying that he made the scummiest post he has ever seen

from d3 onward, seanzie stops pushing on rondo entirely, signal boosts a readslist from aro that contains rondo as town, and says that he would resolve me/illy/boq before he would push on rondo. he has made no further attempts to develop his read on rondo, push on rondo, or signal boost any suspicion toward rondo whatsoever. instead, he has consistently pushed a POE of me/lily/boq while giving rondo the cold shoulder

from rondo's side of things, rondo has a few softball interactions with seanzie early in the game, says that alison/seanzie have W/W equity multiple times, calls seanzie an outed wolf, and then suddenly shifts to townreading seanzie for vague and unclear reasons. from here, rondo makes several posts shading seanzie by saying he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf", but he has continued to push a POE of me/lily/boq

I assume this is what Lily was referring to.

At least from my side, pretty much any accusation here is explained by the fact that I have just been busy.

I didn't push rondo at x time because I wasn't following the game closely at x time, and Rondo wasn't the person I thought most likely to be a wolf.

I mean, sure SPF winning the effort contest here, but effort \neq town.

erhh, that's not true though. The times you had made posts even if they are less than others, haven't focused on the sr you had on Rondo earlier and you seemed to not focus it on much. The main case isn't cause you are busy but because of your progressions.

[staypositivefriend]

that post from aro is so bad that i actually think he might be teamed with seanzie if he votes me over seanzie today

[arogame123]

Honestly killing Seanzie now is a good argument but its the same Argument that Nanook is making for SPF so either way we are looking at SPF > Seanzie or Seanzie > SPF so really the game is over already if both of them are town

I mean yea, that's kind of what I was thinking too and if both are mafia, it doesn't matter anyway. I just feel like the way SPF started today by discussing about LyLo voting and then re-evaluating has been townie and not "anti-spew."

Can people lmk what they think of my list please?

[RondoDimBuckle]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

okay wait, how the fuck do you perceive me and seanzie as being the most probable team and rondo/seanzie as being the least probable team? i am actively trying to get seanzie murdered today and am actively thunderdoming him, and you think that we still have W/W equity, but you think that rondo/seanzie don't have W/W because they had an awkward interactio once? are you serious?

if you are wolf/wolf its the only option you have because of how Seanzie has been playing and you want to get the credit from a thunder dome when you were going to be one of the two people on the chopping block anyway. Its a good way to get town cred as a wolf. (That requires both Seanzie and SPF to be wolf for this to be true)

[arogame123]

that post from aro is so bad that i actually think he might be teamed with seanzie if he votes me over seanzie today

? I know you are a busser and I wouldn't put it past you to do something like this to distance especially in the world where Rondo is town since I do believe you/Lily is a lot less likelier now.

[Lilypetal]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

okay wait, how the fuck do you perceive me and seanzie as being the most probable team and rondo/seanzie as being the least probable team? i am actively trying to get seanzie murdered today and am actively thunderdoming him, and you think that we still have W/W equity, but you think that rondo/seanzie don't have W/W because they had an awkward interactio once? are you serious?

if you are wolf/wolf its the only option you have because of how Seanzie has been playing and you want to get the credit from a thunder dome when you were going to be one of the two people on the chopping block anyway. Its a good way to get town cred as a wolf. (That requires both Seanzie and SPF to be wolf for this to be true)

seanzie wasn't even close to on the chopping block before spf's case

it was me and spf

[arogame123]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

okay wait, how the fuck do you perceive me and seanzie as being the most probable team and rondo/seanzie as being the least probable team? i am actively trying to get seanzie murdered today and am actively thunderdoming him, and you think that we still have W/W equity, but you think that rondo/seanzie don't have W/W because they had an awkward interactio once? are you serious?

if you are wolf/wolf its the only option you have because of how Seanzie has been playing and you want to get the credit from a thunder dome when you were going to be one of the two people on the chopping block anyway. Its a good way to get town cred as a wolf. (That requires both Seanzie and SPF to be wolf for this to be true)

basically what Rondo said.

[Lilypetal]

@arogame123 at this point you still think it's possible that i'm a wolf?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Honestly killing Seanzie now is a good argument but its the same Argument that Nanook is making for SPF so either way we are looking at SPF > Seanzie or Seanzie > SPF so really the game is over already if both of them are town

I mean yea, that's kind of what I was thinking too and if both are mafia, it doesn't matter anyway. I just feel like the way SPF started today by discussing about LyLo voting and then re-evaluating has been townie and not "anti-spew."

Can people lmk what they think of my list please?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Is there any chance your SPF [REDACTED] could be wrong?

[arogame123]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

okay wait, how the fuck do you perceive me and seanzie as being the most probable team and rondo/seanzie as being the least probable team? i am actively trying to get seanzie murdered today and am actively thunderdoming him, and you think that we still have W/W equity, but you think that rondo/seanzie don't have W/W because they had an awkward interactio once? are you serious?

I mentioned it earlier, but I can see you bussing/distancing in the world where you had a feeling you were going to die and wanted to try this as a last ditch effort.

[RondoDimBuckle]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

okay wait, how the fuck do you perceive me and seanzie as being the most probable team and rondo/seanzie as being the least probable team? i am actively trying to get seanzie murdered today and am actively thunderdoming him, and you think that we still have W/W equity, but you think that rondo/seanzie don't have W/W because they had an awkward interactio once? are you serious?

if you are wolf/wolf its the only option you have because of how Seanzie has been playing and you want to get the credit from a thunder dome when you were going to be one of the two people on the chopping block anyway. Its a good way to get town cred as a wolf. (That requires both Seanzie and SPF to be wolf for this to be true)

seanzie wasn't even close to on the chopping block before spf's case

it was me and spf

Was it more you or more SPF?

[staypositivefriend]

nah aro it doesnt make any sense for you to say that rondo/seanzie have the lowest level of W/W equity out of all possible teams even though you didn't provide a single good counterpoint to my case against them when you responded to it. are you actually trying to evaluate the game rn?

[RondoDimBuckle]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

okay wait, how the fuck do you perceive me and seanzie as being the most probable team and rondo/seanzie as being the least probable team? i am actively trying to get seanzie murdered today and am actively thunderdoming him, and you think that we still have W/W equity, but you think that rondo/seanzie don't have W/W because they had an awkward interactio once? are you serious?

if you are wolf/wolf its the only option you have because of how Seanzie has been playing and you want to get the credit from a thunder dome when you were going to be one of the two people on the chopping block anyway. Its a good way to get town cred as a wolf. (That requires both Seanzie and SPF to be wolf for this to be true)

seanzie wasn't even close to on the chopping block before spf's case

it was me and spf

Was it more you or more SPF?

This is a good point though.

[staypositivefriend]

like it's one thing to say that me/seanzie could be W/W (which is still a pretty bad read within itself) but it's another thing entirely to say that seanzie/rondo have no W/W equity in spite of the fact that they fit like a team in the most transparent and obvious way possible

[arogame123]

@arogame123 at this point you still think it's possible that i'm a wolf?

I mean here is the thing Lily, I think the way you and SPF have approached each other towards the end of the day is townie, and I did see the reasons you stated for towncasing your self which does make sense. I'm purely evaluating based on possible partner interactions of the likliest teams. Rn, I do believe independently, Seanzie has been the scummiest today and his initial responses to pressure on my read looked pretty scummy and deflecting what SPF was pushing her for.

[RondoDimBuckle]

like it's one thing to say that me/seanzie could be W/W (which is still a pretty bad read within itself) but it's another thing entirely to say that seanzie/rondo have no W/W equity in spite of the fact that they fit like a team in the most transparent and obvious way possible

I mean I can see it, I dont agree with it, I think Aero's pointing out Seanzie being confused and Seanzie brushing me off earlier quite literally unpartners us. But I can see how you would see it

[arogame123]

Fuck man, the reason at first I had some cold feet was how quickly the wagon jumped on Seanzie which is why I was evaluating who their partners could be. I thought if Lily is with Seanzie, it doesn't make sense for the jump. I had the reasons about ROndo/Seanzie not being w/w though I see the arguments SPF presented but I had the micro interactions that I noticed with context too that made sense it to be non w/w.

[Seanzie]

@staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is

yeah, i'm more confident in seanzie being mafia than rondo since i think it's still theroetically possible for rondo to be an incorrect/misled villager and i think that seanzie has reacted and played this EOD significantly more wolfier than him

I came into the thread with 4 votes on me, no idea why, and no time to read back. Again, replace "wolf" with "busy" in every case SPF makes and it is the same. There is nothing "wolfy" about me here. Null, sure. But nothing wolfy.

[Lilypetal]

Fuck man, the reason at first I had some cold feet was how quickly the wagon jumped on Seanzie which is why I was evaluating who their partners could be. I thought if Lily is with Seanzie, it doesn't make sense for the jump. I had the reasons about ROndo/Seanzie not being w/w though I see the arguments SPF presented but I had the micro interactions that I noticed with context too that made sense it to be non w/w.

spf and i were in thread together and joined forces to vote seanzie at the same time

porscha came to thread a few hours later, someone who TR'd me and spf, and then voted with us

that's a very natural and easily understandable wagon progression