Anniversary Game 2 - Moozik [MAFIA WIN]

[DaughterOfOmega]

This is literally worse for town in every sense.

LMAO

Imagine not claiming it and discussing whether or not this should be used today

So awful

Other reasons I wouldn’t be asking your opinion aside, I have to use it in the first hour of the day. There isn’t time to poll the group

Just take one moment to think?

Are you new to mafia mechanics

[LordQuas]

this is isn't relevant to iawy's posts i wanted to do this since yday anyways

[VOTE: Risiinq-] aubergine

feel like risiinq/val/schia has all the mafia with maybe SK but SK also potentially in IBA/doom. Prolly doom of those two

[IBA]

My flavor isn’t actually MC Hammer for some fucked reason, presumably because the mods are hipsters that hate fun

Anyway hammer rules are in effect today

that is severely fucked up

I know right. Sure the dude seems kind of cringe now but from all accounts he was a very decent dude. Singing about staying in school and what not.

[LordQuas]

Alright, so according to the OP, we started as a 16 vs. 4 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1

As of now, we're in F10, 2 Mafia dead, Colin is known-3P, Creature's 3P rolestealer is still out there, which leaves 2 mafia + another 3P unaccounted for entirely

so 5-2-1-1-1 if I'm getting it correct. If Creature was mafia, then it's 5-3-1-1

if creature was town its 6-2-1-1

If there’s 4 scum and then 2 dead scum then there’s 2 living scum no matter what Creature was, right?

this is also correct

[DaughterOfOmega]

There are possibly more non town in the game, and we make the game hammerable

seems like the best thing

Not sure that that is possible, but wouldn’t we lose in that scenario anyway

It creature was mafia we are currently tied with non town members

The SK is alive, mafia can't win with him still in the game technically.

Making this hammerable imo leads to either town or SK always dying

[IBA]

This is literally worse for town in every sense.

LMAO

Imagine not claiming it and discussing whether or not this should be used today

So awful

Other reasons I wouldn’t be asking your opinion aside, I have to use it in the first hour of the day. There isn’t time to poll the group

Just take one moment to think?

Are you new to mafia mechanics

Boring scum is boring

Vote: Doom

[LordQuas]

i kinda want to see what le petit has to say

[DaughterOfOmega]

this is isn't relevant to iawy's posts i wanted to do this since yday anyways

[VOTE: Risiinq-] aubergine

feel like risiinq/val/schia has all the mafia with maybe SK but SK also potentially in IBA/doom. Prolly doom of those two

YOU DO REALIZE I AM MECH CONF NOT SK OR MAFIA

DO PEOPLE READ

[Inawordyes]

Alright, so according to the OP, we started as a 16 vs. 4 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1

As of now, we're in F10, 2 Mafia dead, Colin is known-3P, Creature's 3P rolestealer is still out there, which leaves 2 mafia + another 3P unaccounted for entirely

so 5-2-1-1-1 if I'm getting it correct. If Creature was mafia, then it's 5-3-1-1

if creature was town its 6-2-1-1

If there’s 4 scum and then 2 dead scum then there’s 2 living scum no matter what Creature was, right?

yes, but also Quas is correct and I didn't correct that mistake

It's 6-2-1-1 either way, just a question of whether Creature's killer is still alive or dead, and whether Creature (and now his killer) was town or mafia. Regardless, their role functionally doesn't exist anymore so it's 6-2-1-1 no matter what given we know what the ratios were and they just took the place of Creature and their role died

[LordQuas]

There are possibly more non town in the game, and we make the game hammerable

seems like the best thing

Not sure that that is possible, but wouldn’t we lose in that scenario anyway

It creature was mafia we are currently tied with non town members

The SK is alive, mafia can't win with him still in the game technically.

Making this hammerable imo leads to either town or SK always dying

2 mafia and 2 3p at worst

4 to 6

[DaughterOfOmega]

People can't be this dense

I am not going to fathom a world where Quas thinks im SK

He's gotta be mafia

[Inawordyes]

this is isn't relevant to iawy's posts i wanted to do this since yday anyways

[VOTE: Risiinq-] aubergine

feel like risiinq/val/schia has all the mafia with maybe SK but SK also potentially in IBA/doom. Prolly doom of those two

YOU DO REALIZE I AM MECH CONF NOT SK OR MAFIA

DO PEOPLE READ

Who were the two you shot DoOm?

[IBA]

There are possibly more non town in the game, and we make the game hammerable

seems like the best thing

Not sure that that is possible, but wouldn’t we lose in that scenario anyway

It creature was mafia we are currently tied with non town members

The SK is alive, mafia can't win with him still in the game technically.

Making this hammerable imo leads to either town or SK always dying

If original setup was X-4-1-1-1, then one of the 3p replaces another slot eod1, then 2 scum die, then rn we’re 6-2-1-1

[DaughterOfOmega]

this is isn't relevant to iawy's posts i wanted to do this since yday anyways

[VOTE: Risiinq-] aubergine

feel like risiinq/val/schia has all the mafia with maybe SK but SK also potentially in IBA/doom. Prolly doom of those two

YOU DO REALIZE I AM MECH CONF NOT SK OR MAFIA

DO PEOPLE READ

Who were the two you shot DoOm?

Pyxxy and Floyd

[Inawordyes]

this is isn't relevant to iawy's posts i wanted to do this since yday anyways

[VOTE: Risiinq-] aubergine

feel like risiinq/val/schia has all the mafia with maybe SK but SK also potentially in IBA/doom. Prolly doom of those two

Val is confirmed town assuming we trust Colin not to be screwing with us, so it would just be Risii/Schia

[DaughterOfOmega]

Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

[Inawordyes]

this is isn't relevant to iawy's posts i wanted to do this since yday anyways

[VOTE: Risiinq-] aubergine

feel like risiinq/val/schia has all the mafia with maybe SK but SK also potentially in IBA/doom. Prolly doom of those two

YOU DO REALIZE I AM MECH CONF NOT SK OR MAFIA

DO PEOPLE READ

Who were the two you shot DoOm?

Pyxxy and Floyd

Alright, that tracks, RIP pyxxy who was obvious town but also understandable

Mafia NK and either a mafia vig or 3P SK account for the other two shots every night, but Chelsea's shooter is still at large because Wind saw someone shoot her and catch her BP vest but all 3 kills (NK/vig-SK/slank vig) went through

[Inawordyes]

Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

Is it a confirmed town vig?

[LordQuas]

Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

what was the confirmed SK kill that you werent a part of

[DaughterOfOmega]

this is isn't relevant to iawy's posts i wanted to do this since yday anyways

[VOTE: Risiinq-] aubergine

feel like risiinq/val/schia has all the mafia with maybe SK but SK also potentially in IBA/doom. Prolly doom of those two

YOU DO REALIZE I AM MECH CONF NOT SK OR MAFIA

DO PEOPLE READ

Who were the two you shot DoOm?

Pyxxy and Floyd

Alright, that tracks, RIP pyxxy who was obvious town but also understandable

Mafia NK and either a mafia vig or 3P SK account for the other two shots every night, but Chelsea's shooter is still at large because Wind saw someone shoot her and catch her BP vest but all 3 kills (NK/vig-SK/slank vig) went through

The kill that Wind saw was likely the town vig who flipped

[DaughterOfOmega]

Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

what was the confirmed SK kill that you werent a part of

Three deaths n1. Also one save.

So four total shots.

I am claiming the fourth shot. Unless you think I am the SK and the fourth shot is somehow happening elsewhere, explain that to me.

[Inawordyes]

Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

what was the confirmed SK kill that you werent a part of

the second NK that's been going on every night alongside the mafia NK. There have been 3 deaths every single night but this past night only because Sabi was a D0 lover and so either she got shot and dragged one of DZ/Wind with her, or she got dragged along with one of them when they got shot

[DaughterOfOmega]

this is isn't relevant to iawy's posts i wanted to do this since yday anyways

[VOTE: Risiinq-] aubergine

feel like risiinq/val/schia has all the mafia with maybe SK but SK also potentially in IBA/doom. Prolly doom of those two

YOU DO REALIZE I AM MECH CONF NOT SK OR MAFIA

DO PEOPLE READ

Who were the two you shot DoOm?

Pyxxy and Floyd

Alright, that tracks, RIP pyxxy who was obvious town but also understandable

Mafia NK and either a mafia vig or 3P SK account for the other two shots every night, but Chelsea's shooter is still at large because Wind saw someone shoot her and catch her BP vest but all 3 kills (NK/vig-SK/slank vig) went through

The kill that Wind saw was likely the town vig who flipped

Technically we don't know what KP was stopped, Wind could have seen the Mafia KP be blocked and the town vig shot someone else.

[IBA]

Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

what was the confirmed SK kill that you werent a part of

Three deaths n1. Also one save.

So four total shots.

I am claiming the fourth shot. Unless you think I am the SK and the fourth shot is somehow happening elsewhere, explain that to me.

We literally know there was a fourth shot happening somehow, what are you talking about

[Inawordyes]

wait, pyxxy flipped proxy cop:
"Each night you may send two names to the host marked as player 1 and player 2. Player 1 will receive the alignment of player 2."

How are both pyxxy and Quas proxy cops?

Also Cape could easily have been killed by his own action reading it back:

"Once per game during the night you may name three players. If you name three town you die. You must use this ability before the end of night 3."

[IBA]

Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

Why would you assume SK and not just scum having an extra kill?

[Inawordyes]

Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

what was the confirmed SK kill that you werent a part of

Three deaths n1. Also one save.

So four total shots.

I am claiming the fourth shot. Unless you think I am the SK and the fourth shot is somehow happening elsewhere, explain that to me.

We literally know there was a fourth shot happening somehow, what are you talking about

... IBA, actually listen to what DoOm is saying

there are four kills, we know that 3 of them went through and Wind confirmed she saw a fourth on Chelsea fail due to Chelsea's BPV

DoOm is claiming one of those four kills, which means that unless you think DoOm is a 3P serial killer and there is a mafia KP alongside their KP OR there is a townie KP who just straight-up hasn't claimed the kill yet

then DoOm can't be SK, and DoOm also likely can't be Mafia either, again unless you assume that Mafia has two KP (which would be insanely overpowered in this setup)

[Inawordyes]

If Cape killed himself N2 from his role, then theoretically we are only dealing with an odd-night vig and Cape didn't actually get killed by anyone else

[DaughterOfOmega]

Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

what was the confirmed SK kill that you werent a part of

Three deaths n1. Also one save.

So four total shots.

I am claiming the fourth shot. Unless you think I am the SK and the fourth shot is somehow happening elsewhere, explain that to me.

We literally know there was a fourth shot happening somehow, what are you talking about

THAT IS WHY I AM MECH CLEARED LOL

You know that four shots happened, this is confirmed.

You also know Factional kp and SK kills have been happening every night. On the first night, if you know four shots happened, then you realize that I HAD TO BE THE ONE WHO SHOT.

Then you also know I have only shot two people. Why? Factional and SK have gone off three straight nights. Only last night did two kp get used.

SO I AM MECH CONFIRMED TO BE A TWO SHOT VIG.

I can't be SK because SK wouldn't have a factional and two more kp.

Mafia's numbers would ruin the game if they had a two shot vig, and could skip a town day lynch. The numbers would mean town lose 2 total lynches, and the mafia have way too much kp.

This only leaves my role to be town aligned if you believe the mods created a fair game.

[Inawordyes]

Which, then you can question DoOm's alignment a little more easily

But right now it's best to drop it IBA, get out of the tunnel for right now, and start looking at the rest of the PoE because there's more than just DoOm involved here

[IBA]

I think I’m too drunk to follow this honestly. Unvote: for now in this dangerous hammery economy

[DaughterOfOmega]

If Cape killed himself N2 from his role, then theoretically we are only dealing with an odd-night vig and Cape didn't actually get killed by anyone else

For this you'd have to believe that Cape not only used this ability after the day was skipped (which I don't think so, for me it'd be weird to use the ability when no day happened) and that Cape chose three town killing themselves.

To me I just don't see them choosing to use the ability once the day was skipped, feels like an awkward choice.

[Inawordyes]

Did DZ/Wind ever state whether their Nutella checks were from N1 or N2?

[Inawordyes]

If Cape killed himself N2 from his role, then theoretically we are only dealing with an odd-night vig and Cape didn't actually get killed by anyone else

For this you'd have to believe that Cape not only used this ability after the day was skipped (which I don't think so, for me it'd be weird to use the ability when no day happened) and that Cape chose three town killing themselves.

To me I just don't see them choosing to use the ability once the day was skipped, feels like an awkward choice.

It does, I don't disagree, but also mechanically, just based on the fact that his role exists as it does, it's still an option even if the logic doesn't make sense to use it under the circumstances. Baseline of what is an objective fact, everything else above that is opinion and subjective. And you know as well as I do that everybody can do anything at any given time in a game and without being that player, we don't know their thought process and why they choose to do or not do something. So discounting it because you think Cape wouldn't do it, doesn't mean that he didn't - and that's super unfortunate for us

[Inawordyes]

If the Chelsea shot was on N1, then we can confirm 4 KP because of the 3 flips + mechanical info about Chelsea having been shot via flipped-townie Wind (leaving a kill unaccounted for as of now). Otherwise, we can confirm 3 KP because 3 players flipped without any role-related shenaniganery in their descriptions
If the Chelsea shot was on N2, then we can confirm 3 KP because of the Nutella/Floyd deaths + mechanical info about Chelsea having been via flipped-townie Wind. Otherwise, we can confirm at least 2 KP on N2 by flips given Cape could've killed himself via his role from it's description
We can confirm at least 2 KP on N3 by flips given Sabi was a lover and died with one of DZ/Wind

That's about where we're at as far as kills go and I don't think there's anymore that can be gleaned from it except that if the 4 KP happened on N1, then Petit's kidnapper and one of those KP are probably coming from the same role (a JOAT), and that role probably is mafia. The kidnapper still exists regardless and is more than likely mafia

[DaughterOfOmega]

If the Chelsea shot was on N1, then we can confirm 4 KP because of the 3 flips + mechanical info about Chelsea having been shot via flipped-townie Wind (leaving a kill unaccounted for as of now). Otherwise, we can confirm 3 KP because 3 players flipped without any role-related shenaniganery in their descriptions
If the Chelsea shot was on N2, then we can confirm 3 KP because of the Nutella/Floyd deaths + mechanical info about Chelsea having been via flipped-townie Wind. Otherwise, we can confirm at least 2 KP on N2 by flips given Cape could've killed himself via his role from it's description
We can confirm at least 2 KP on N3 by flips given Sabi was a lover and died with one of DZ/Wind

That's about where we're at as far as kills go and I don't think there's anymore that can be gleaned from it except that if the 4 KP happened on N1, then Petit's kidnapper and one of those KP are probably coming from the same role (a JOAT), and that role probably is mafia. The kidnapper still exists regardless and is more than likely mafia

Kidnapper would likely have to be mafia, I don't see how its helpful for 3p or town

[Inawordyes]

If the Chelsea shot was on N1, then we can confirm 4 KP because of the 3 flips + mechanical info about Chelsea having been shot via flipped-townie Wind (leaving a kill unaccounted for as of now). Otherwise, we can confirm 3 KP because 3 players flipped without any role-related shenaniganery in their descriptions
If the Chelsea shot was on N2, then we can confirm 3 KP because of the Nutella/Floyd deaths + mechanical info about Chelsea having been via flipped-townie Wind. Otherwise, we can confirm at least 2 KP on N2 by flips given Cape could've killed himself via his role from it's description
We can confirm at least 2 KP on N3 by flips given Sabi was a lover and died with one of DZ/Wind

That's about where we're at as far as kills go and I don't think there's anymore that can be gleaned from it except that if the 4 KP happened on N1, then Petit's kidnapper and one of those KP are probably coming from the same role (a JOAT), and that role probably is mafia. The kidnapper still exists regardless and is more than likely mafia

Kidnapper would likely have to be mafia, I don't see how its helpful for 3p or town

yep, and again, that puts us with a confirm second kill that's more than likely from a serial killer 3P but is non-town regardless, and then a kidnapper/day silencer that is more than likely mafia but is non-town regardless. If there's an extra kill, it's either a third unaccounted role OR it fits into a JOAT with the kidnapper

Right now, we have claims from every except three players - Schia, Snow, and myself. That's 2-3 roles for 3 players, assuming nobody is hiding extra abilities. But I don't anybody can be - IBA has a day ability, doesn't make sense to have night JOAT actions and also day JOAT actions mixed in. Quas is motivator and that's confirmed, but is also a day action and runs into the same problems. Chelsea potentially isn't cleared until you think about it, because either Chelsea both BP'd a shot and vig-shot someone else N1 (unlikely to be able to do both, but given it's a 1x BP not out of the realm of possibility but still insanely-unlikely she willingly chooses to use a BP on N1 on the off-chance she dies) OR Chelsea BP'd a shot and silenced Petit on N2. In both cases, Chelsea has to have been two doing actions at once, and that doesn't track given the number of unaccounted-for actions we know occurred

Which means that either all three of us are the remaining 2 mafia + the SK, or (from my worldstate), 2/3 of us are and the last player is hiding amongst the other clears

Petit and pyxxy both being proxy cop is something that I want to take note of, because pyxxy flipped as what should be Petit's role given it's description, but DZ and Wind both respectively saw Petit and a Proxy cop visit Nutella on the same night, and Petit and the Proxy Cop are the only player and role not accounted for from their results, which means that they have to be one and the same. So tell me how that makes sense

[Inawordyes]

Chelsea also received a proxy result N2 and pyxxy died N1, so

yeah, I want to point that out because that could potentially be a knock against Petit given I don't see how we have two town proxy cops. Pyxxy's is not an odd/even thing either, it's every night, so it can't be "pyxxy is odd proxy cop, Petit is even proxy cop"

[Inawordyes]

[VOTE: risiinq- ] aubergine

Snow is obvious non-town, so there's that

[DaughterOfOmega]

Chelsea also received a proxy result N2 and pyxxy died N1, so

yeah, I want to point that out because that could potentially be a knock against Petit given I don't see how we have two town proxy cops. Pyxxy's is not an odd/even thing either, it's every night, so it can't be "pyxxy is odd proxy cop, Petit is even proxy cop"

This is very yikes

I'd like to see how Petit feels

[Inawordyes]

Chelsea also received a proxy result N2 and pyxxy died N1, so

yeah, I want to point that out because that could potentially be a knock against Petit given I don't see how we have two town proxy cops. Pyxxy's is not an odd/even thing either, it's every night, so it can't be "pyxxy is odd proxy cop, Petit is even proxy cop"

This is very yikes

I'd like to see how Petit feels

yeah, I don't doubt he is one given he and the role were both mechanically seen by two flipped townies at the same time, but pyxxy also flipped the same:

pyxxy has died. pyxxy was...


*SNIP

Spoiler: show

The Less I Know the Better - Tame Impala - Currents

Spoiler: show

Someone said they left together
I ran out the door to get her
She was holding hands with Trevor
Not the greatest feeling ever
Said, "Pull yourself together
You should try your luck with Heather"
Then I heard they slept together
Oh, the less I know the better
The less I know the better

Each night you may send two names to the host marked as player 1 and player 2. Player 1 will receive the alignment of player 2.

Town

So it's a tricky situation and I'm going insane watching the thread and throwing out my thoughts and basically nobody being here

[DaughterOfOmega]

Chelsea also received a proxy result N2 and pyxxy died N1, so

yeah, I want to point that out because that could potentially be a knock against Petit given I don't see how we have two town proxy cops. Pyxxy's is not an odd/even thing either, it's every night, so it can't be "pyxxy is odd proxy cop, Petit is even proxy cop"

This is very yikes

I'd like to see how Petit feels

yeah, I don't doubt he is one given he and the role were both mechanically seen by two flipped townies at the same time, but pyxxy also flipped the same:

pyxxy has died. pyxxy was...


*SNIP

Spoiler: show

The Less I Know the Better - Tame Impala - Currents

Spoiler: show

Someone said they left together
I ran out the door to get her
She was holding hands with Trevor
Not the greatest feeling ever
Said, "Pull yourself together
You should try your luck with Heather"
Then I heard they slept together
Oh, the less I know the better
The less I know the better

Each night you may send two names to the host marked as player 1 and player 2. Player 1 will receive the alignment of player 2.

Town

So it's a tricky situation and I'm going insane watching the thread and throwing out my thoughts and basically nobody being here

is it possible he backed up pyxxy's role?

huh

[LordQuas]

wait, pyxxy flipped proxy cop:
"Each night you may send two names to the host marked as player 1 and player 2. Player 1 will receive the alignment of player 2."

How are both pyxxy and Quas proxy cops?

Also Cape could easily have been killed by his own action reading it back:

"Once per game during the night you may name three players. If you name three town you die. You must use this ability before the end of night 3."

i'm not a proxy cop?

[LordQuas]

Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

what was the confirmed SK kill that you werent a part of

Three deaths n1. Also one save.

So four total shots.

I am claiming the fourth shot. Unless you think I am the SK and the fourth shot is somehow happening elsewhere, explain that to me.

also ah yeah i forgot about the save. I do think it could totally possibly be an extra 3p kill or another maf kill considering how wacko this game has been mech wise

[LordQuas]

If the Chelsea shot was on N1, then we can confirm 4 KP because of the 3 flips + mechanical info about Chelsea having been shot via flipped-townie Wind (leaving a kill unaccounted for as of now). Otherwise, we can confirm 3 KP because 3 players flipped without any role-related shenaniganery in their descriptions
If the Chelsea shot was on N2, then we can confirm 3 KP because of the Nutella/Floyd deaths + mechanical info about Chelsea having been via flipped-townie Wind. Otherwise, we can confirm at least 2 KP on N2 by flips given Cape could've killed himself via his role from it's description
We can confirm at least 2 KP on N3 by flips given Sabi was a lover and died with one of DZ/Wind

That's about where we're at as far as kills go and I don't think there's anymore that can be gleaned from it except that if the 4 KP happened on N1, then Petit's kidnapper and one of those KP are probably coming from the same role (a JOAT), and that role probably is mafia. The kidnapper still exists regardless and is more than likely mafia

Kidnapper would likely have to be mafia, I don't see how its helpful for 3p or town

yep, and again, that puts us with a confirm second kill that's more than likely from a serial killer 3P but is non-town regardless, and then a kidnapper/day silencer that is more than likely mafia but is non-town regardless. If there's an extra kill, it's either a third unaccounted role OR it fits into a JOAT with the kidnapper

Right now, we have claims from every except three players - Schia, Snow, and myself. That's 2-3 roles for 3 players, assuming nobody is hiding extra abilities. But I don't anybody can be - IBA has a day ability, doesn't make sense to have night JOAT actions and also day JOAT actions mixed in. Quas is motivator and that's confirmed, but is also a day action and runs into the same problems. Chelsea potentially isn't cleared until you think about it, because either Chelsea both BP'd a shot and vig-shot someone else N1 (unlikely to be able to do both, but given it's a 1x BP not out of the realm of possibility but still insanely-unlikely she willingly chooses to use a BP on N1 on the off-chance she dies) OR Chelsea BP'd a shot and silenced Petit on N2. In both cases, Chelsea has to have been two doing actions at once, and that doesn't track given the number of unaccounted-for actions we know occurred

Which means that either all three of us are the remaining 2 mafia + the SK, or (from my worldstate), 2/3 of us are and the last player is hiding amongst the other clears

Petit and pyxxy both being proxy cop is something that I want to take note of, because pyxxy flipped as what should be Petit's role given it's description, but DZ and Wind both respectively saw Petit and a Proxy cop visit Nutella on the same night, and Petit and the Proxy Cop are the only player and role not accounted for from their results, which means that they have to be one and the same. So tell me how that makes sense

i'm taking it you said my name on accident

[LordQuas]

someone fill me in on the proxy cop thing w/ petit

[Inawordyes]

Chelsea also received a proxy result N2 and pyxxy died N1, so

yeah, I want to point that out because that could potentially be a knock against Petit given I don't see how we have two town proxy cops. Pyxxy's is not an odd/even thing either, it's every night, so it can't be "pyxxy is odd proxy cop, Petit is even proxy cop"

This is very yikes

I'd like to see how Petit feels

yeah, I don't doubt he is one given he and the role were both mechanically seen by two flipped townies at the same time, but pyxxy also flipped the same:

pyxxy has died. pyxxy was...


*SNIP

Spoiler: show

The Less I Know the Better - Tame Impala - Currents

Spoiler: show

Someone said they left together
I ran out the door to get her
She was holding hands with Trevor
Not the greatest feeling ever
Said, "Pull yourself together
You should try your luck with Heather"
Then I heard they slept together
Oh, the less I know the better
The less I know the better

Each night you may send two names to the host marked as player 1 and player 2. Player 1 will receive the alignment of player 2.

Town

So it's a tricky situation and I'm going insane watching the thread and throwing out my thoughts and basically nobody being here

is it possible he backed up pyxxy's role?

huh

Very possible, but until he says something we don't know. That actually wouldn't surprise me now that I think about it

bah, this kinda sucks

also, I went back and looked for Wind's claim:

Thought he said he got redirected to Chelsea

n1, then we had n2.

Sometimes I get a hood even when they die

I think nutella redirected last night, too

why

Because I got redirected off nutella last night??

no you didnt. fuck it, might be stupid im always bad at mech playing and im confused blame me if this goes wrong just seems right to out this now?

I watched who visited nut.

it was you, Nutella, Colin, and two more. One of you killed her. I think Nutella targetted herself, so all actions targetted her(?) seems weird can't work out why she'd do that.

I think the holes in Colin's story are:
- If Colin is telling truth, Nutella targetted Chelsea n1, meaning she chose to target a player who she lightly scum read for what I assume are town friendly actions; e.g. the heal we anticipate went on Nutella, any watchers who might watch Nutella etc. I can't see why Nut would do this. seems stupid for many reasons and creates confusion

I think you are town Windy. I dunno on the other two and gunna keep it to myself

I didn't want you to claim your role
I have information that fills in all the gaps in your knowledge and I didn't want to claim either, but now I have to because its better to give info

Last night, I saw a watcher (you), a neighborizer (probably Colin which is why I believe him), a vote-silencer (so I think Chelsea? cannot vote today), a nexus (this was nutella), a voyeur (myself), and a role I will not name because it is 100% town.

I saw NO KILL. I saw a kill action on N1 but none on N2 so I know I would've seen the kill if I had targeted nutella as planned. So I think she redirected all of us off herself and onto Chelsea, and the mafia kill went through on her.

so the Chelsea show was on N1, meaning the 4 KP theory holds

If a mafia JOAT, then it looks like:

N1 = Vig shot, used on one of Falcon/Manny/Chelsea
N2 = Silencer, used on Petit
N3 = ???, used on ???

I have thoughts on N3 but other people really need to speak up so I'm not just talking to myself with occasional pop-ins by DoOm

[Inawordyes]

If the Chelsea shot was on N1, then we can confirm 4 KP because of the 3 flips + mechanical info about Chelsea having been shot via flipped-townie Wind (leaving a kill unaccounted for as of now). Otherwise, we can confirm 3 KP because 3 players flipped without any role-related shenaniganery in their descriptions
If the Chelsea shot was on N2, then we can confirm 3 KP because of the Nutella/Floyd deaths + mechanical info about Chelsea having been via flipped-townie Wind. Otherwise, we can confirm at least 2 KP on N2 by flips given Cape could've killed himself via his role from it's description
We can confirm at least 2 KP on N3 by flips given Sabi was a lover and died with one of DZ/Wind

That's about where we're at as far as kills go and I don't think there's anymore that can be gleaned from it except that if the 4 KP happened on N1, then Petit's kidnapper and one of those KP are probably coming from the same role (a JOAT), and that role probably is mafia. The kidnapper still exists regardless and is more than likely mafia

Kidnapper would likely have to be mafia, I don't see how its helpful for 3p or town

yep, and again, that puts us with a confirm second kill that's more than likely from a serial killer 3P but is non-town regardless, and then a kidnapper/day silencer that is more than likely mafia but is non-town regardless. If there's an extra kill, it's either a third unaccounted role OR it fits into a JOAT with the kidnapper

Right now, we have claims from every except three players - Schia, Snow, and myself. That's 2-3 roles for 3 players, assuming nobody is hiding extra abilities. But I don't anybody can be - IBA has a day ability, doesn't make sense to have night JOAT actions and also day JOAT actions mixed in. Quas is motivator and that's confirmed, but is also a day action and runs into the same problems. Chelsea potentially isn't cleared until you think about it, because either Chelsea both BP'd a shot and vig-shot someone else N1 (unlikely to be able to do both, but given it's a 1x BP not out of the realm of possibility but still insanely-unlikely she willingly chooses to use a BP on N1 on the off-chance she dies) OR Chelsea BP'd a shot and silenced Petit on N2. In both cases, Chelsea has to have been two doing actions at once, and that doesn't track given the number of unaccounted-for actions we know occurred

Which means that either all three of us are the remaining 2 mafia + the SK, or (from my worldstate), 2/3 of us are and the last player is hiding amongst the other clears

Petit and pyxxy both being proxy cop is something that I want to take note of, because pyxxy flipped as what should be Petit's role given it's description, but DZ and Wind both respectively saw Petit and a Proxy cop visit Nutella on the same night, and Petit and the Proxy Cop are the only player and role not accounted for from their results, which means that they have to be one and the same. So tell me how that makes sense

i'm taking it you said my name on accident

Are you not a Motivator?

[Inawordyes]

wait, pyxxy flipped proxy cop:
"Each night you may send two names to the host marked as player 1 and player 2. Player 1 will receive the alignment of player 2."

How are both pyxxy and Quas proxy cops?

Also Cape could easily have been killed by his own action reading it back:

"Once per game during the night you may name three players. If you name three town you die. You must use this ability before the end of night 3."

i'm not a proxy cop?

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

yeah sorry, that was meant to be Petit/Raskol, sorry

[Inawordyes]

@LordQuas pyxxy died N1 and flipped as a Proxy Cop based on their role's description (see flip quoted above). On N2, Zeus targeted Nutella, got nexus'ed to Chelsea, and saw 6 players target Chelsea including himself. Wind also got nexus'ed to Chelsea and saw 6 roles including herself. Of those 6, 5 are accounted for:

Zeus-Watcher
Wind-Voyeur
Nutella-Nexus
Colin-Neighborizer
Mung-Vote Silencer

The 6th player and role are, respectively, Petit and a Proxy Cop. Which means that, quite obviously, Petit is the proxy cop, and Chelsea got the green peek results on Sabi which confirms that a proxy cop did exist on N2

However, given that pyxxy also directly flipped as a proxy cop, this poses a bit of a problem because now we have two proxy cops in the game, one confirmed via flip and one confirmed mechanically as existing following the first player's death. And accordingly to pyxxy's flip, they didn't have an odd/even restriction, so it isn't a case of splitting up the power. So where does that leave Petit as far as his alignment goes?

Probably still town, and DoOm brought up a good point of Petit potentially being universal backup who chose to inherit pyxxy's role, but it's still tricky and Petit needs to speak and clarify a few things