Anniversary Game 2 - Moozik [MAFIA WIN]

[LordQuas]

Oh wow, that doesn't look good for me at all. I don't think my roleclaim is going to help much either, especially as I didn't even target Chelsea on N2.

I am the Paranoid Android AKA 2-shot lie-detector. I can post any text relating to roleclaims (so basically a more limited rolecop) given in-thread to the mods and they will tell me if it's true/false. I don't learn alignment, however. I didn't use it N1. I wanted to use it on Creature but they died. N2 I decided to use it to test Colin's claim about his wincon and it came back true. That's why I've been quite defensive of Colin. I have no idea how I can have been viewed visiting Chelsea when I visited Colin though.

Thinking back on this

I think this post fits with the theory that Colin just is the doppelgänger and killed Creature who was the scum soft rolecop

all this to say i think this is a distinct possibility

oh i'm [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine ing btw

[LordQuas]

i think risiinq is potentially too clueless to be mafia

rachel might be similarly lost

schia seems neutered and has accepted this game is over

[LordQuas]

i think risiinq is potentially too clueless to be mafia

rachel might be similarly lost

schia seems neutered and has accepted this game is over

to elaborate on rachel because what i said here is actually inaccurate

rachel is not lost, but totally incapable of viewing what it would be like from someone that isn't exactly her and feels genuinely baffled by this

still have light paranoia that i'm being fooled but as with the last few days i don't want to go there before i kill the actually scummy ppl

[LordQuas]

Schia
?Colin? (Not super sure what to do with this slot)

And we're sure that Val is mech cleared somehow?

[Schiavetto]

Has Iawy claimed yet? Getting bored

[DaughterOfOmega]

Let's just kill mafia quas

[Schiavetto]

Nah I don't wanna kill Quas

[Schiavetto]

He'd have to be SK and SK Motivator is lol lmao

[DaughterOfOmega]

Sorry, I've been dealing with the age old "Mu is bad" meme

now I'm back in this game

[Chelsea]

Tell me why we shouldn't be wagoning in risiinq-/Daughter

[Chelsea]

Well, I guess given Daughter's kills are pretty confinred if anything they're probably only SK while people like risiinq and Scia have a chance of being mafia or SK.

Conf town:
Me
Rask
Valentine.

Prob town:
Quas
IAWY

3P: Colin

Leaves:
Daughter
IBA
risiinq
Scia

and if I order that bottom row on my own personal viewpoint from wolfy to villa it'd be like risiinq>IBA>Daughter>Scia

[DaughterOfOmega]

Well, I guess given Daughter's kills are pretty confinred if anything they're probably only SK while people like risiinq and Scia have a chance of being mafia or SK.

Conf town:
Me
Rask
Valentine.

Prob town:
Quas
IAWY

3P: Colin

Leaves:
Daughter
IBA
risiinq
Scia

and if I order that bottom row on my own personal viewpoint from wolfy to villa it'd be like risiinq>IBA>Daughter>Scia

I can't do this anymore.

How many times do I have to literally explain how I'm mech confirmed not SK

If I'm scum, the only thing I can be is a 2-shot mafia vig

lmao

[Chelsea]

unexplained x kill does not mean mech confirmed anything in a game like this, sorry.

[Chelsea]

It could've easily been extra mafia KP given how easily Guilo went over it wouldn't shock me, but I also don't get how it mechs you out of SK so you could explain that to me like I'm dumb. (I've read your first post and I'm still going "ok and?")

[DaughterOfOmega]

It could've easily been extra mafia KP given how easily Guilo went over it wouldn't shock me, but I also don't get how it mechs you out of SK so you could explain that to me like I'm dumb. (I've read your first post and I'm still going "ok and?")

There were 4 kills N1. I claimed the fourth. Three of these kills have to be SK, Factional, Town vig.

I claimed a 2-shot.

Three kp happened on n2. SK and Factional must count for 2.

There were only 2 kp on n3. This always is SK and factional.

So unless you think I'm the SK with additional 2 kp on top of my SK kill, then no I can't be.

I must be a role who made 2 kp the first and second night

[DaughterOfOmega]

The only world where I'm scum who can kill 2 people is if I was mafia with a 2 shot vig, which would ruin the numbers balance and town would legit almost never win

[DaughterOfOmega]

Although I've got stuff to handle on another mafia site, so if I died today it wouldn't bother me

[Chelsea]

Hrm, I'm no mech guru but that seems decent.

[Chelsea]

I was thinking it could just be SK with extra ways to kill because being a basic SK in a setup with all these roles sounds like, legit awful but I don't think I wanna bet on that and Daughter isn't the first on my list if want to votes anyway so.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I was thinking it could just be SK with extra ways to kill because being a basic SK in a setup with all these roles sounds like, legit awful but I don't think I wanna bet on that and Daughter isn't the first on my list if want to votes anyway so.

If SK had anything extra it would be more protection not more kp

the weakness of SK has always been the fact they have to survive to the end, so giving them protection would probably be the change

[Chelsea]

yeeee ok snow it is for now

[DaughterOfOmega]

I literally had an argument on what the word litigate means.

I feel like people arguing about something when you can just check a dictionary is baffling.

People are unreal, they will fight literally anything to not admit being wrong

[Chelsea]

People often fear what they do not understand.

People also don't understand being wrong is perfectly fine, but pride is a thing..

[risiinq-]

@LordQuas can you elaborate on both of your "too clueless to be mafia reads"

[risiinq-]

yeeee ok snow it is for now

nooo nonoonnono

[risiinq-]

i still think quas is scummy and want people to explain why he isnt

altho at the same time i kinda am poe-ing it out but its easier for me being inside the poe

[risiinq-]

schia has come back and said nothing

3 filler posts

gj

[risiinq-]

He'd have to be SK and SK Motivator is lol lmao

explainn

[Le petit poussin]

Sup. Will catch up (I have D4 to read) after lunch.

Some info you might find usefull to know meanwhile though:

- I triggered a trap N2: Sabi won a prize out of the walrus event which was a night trap. It commuted out of the thread people visiting her (the first at least I guess, dunno if I was the lonely one).
- I can use every night abilities of dead people
- I redirected all N3 actions that targeted me on Sabi (we discussed this yesterday, we thought it would max out their chances to live)

I am globally where Iawy is.

POE is schia > rissinq > Qas > Iawy > DoOm.

Iawy has been more town yesterday, he definatly helped clearing out what happened with Chelsea/nut and could have helped saving Mung instead of. (I mean he was detrimental to solving this and forcing eveyone to claim) so I am not going there today.
DoOm I need to check: felt towny yesterday but I need to reread and think through her SK thing. Because I don't think they are counting the death which skipped D2 so there is that. We definatly need to solve wolf/3p killing powers today.


More l8r when I caught up.

[Le petit poussin]

well it's done. Yeah I forgot Colin. Thoughts on him @Chelsea ?

Sabi had him locked scum (because they thought he swictched to w!creature role).

[Le petit poussin]

I guess I am at schia/rissinq/Colin should contain all woofs.

[Le petit poussin]

Btw, they were some talks about Valentine: I tryed opening another wagon at EOD1 (to check ww with Guillo) and nobody gave in. I 100% believe she was a counter to Guillo's one. Leave her alone lol.

[Le petit poussin]

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

[Inawordyes]

i am town and will claim the kill on cape cuz altho its really no info theres no point in withholding it

i have not killed anyone else

Interesting phrasing

what have been all your actions this game?

[Inawordyes]

Has Iawy claimed yet? Getting bored

yay, someone finally asked, it only took several hours and several players posting for someone to question my role

no, I haven't yet

[Le petit poussin]

Spoiler: show

Anyway, I wanna go back to chia's wolf read on me because I think its up there with weirdest in game.

Here's how she read me:

Green'ing Guillotine- even if I don't agree with the *why* behind petit/DZ, I do think they both stand a decent chance of flipping red & i like the thinking that got him there; also felt him w/rt Manny readlist, which was a confidence-shake for my henge tr although i still don't think i'd jump there today

Quick thoughts from a quick thot
- still not really convinced that petit's observation is like, *necessarily* wolfchat TMI but I do think his talk around it has been Weird^TM, feels like, ~*~Wolfily Preoccupied~*~ with it
- some of Doc's more recent TRs feel like...faked townreads dressed up to seem more thought-out. Idk if that's a Just-Me thing but it's certainly an impression I had reading through thread this morning
-feel like I should have more of an opinion on Floyd than i do, someone tell me what the correct opinion is so i can adjust accordingly ty

So she is wolf reading me because:
a) The stupid drunk thing which we all know is nonsense
b) My town reads being dressed up

(a) we all know sucks

(b) I think is bad because the town reads I had were probably not my spot town reads on WWA, Risinq, and Falcon who I just said "they are town" or something

maybe actual WWA one:

Dumb gut read as I walk dog- WWA is town for starting her solve from how ppl talk about her as opposed to trying to blend in thread

This town read on her:

@risiinq-

if ur referring to the post i have in this quote chain, it's as i said - i wanted to check meta first before i made evaluations (i later checked the champs game and thought it was marginally different, so yea) and plus their other posts were fine

it's just.. their reactions to quas suspecting them were bleh

i still can't really get over it even after meta comparison

I thought it was kinda ok?

What didnt' you like?

They seemed to have a mild tantrum I took as towny, got frustrated, kept solving outwardly and was like "im gunna just town read quas for ease" which seems too out there for a wolf. its definitely not pocketing

im gunna start working in a bit, but, reading Schia's posts:
- Opening was wolfy
- Didn't let it stifle them too much
- Kinda acted like someone frustrated pushed in a corner

so I'm a bit town leaning her?

not voting there

overall I think I have schia town lean, and, quas mildly townier from all this (but still my poe)

and thats it!

So either:
- she doesn't like my read on WWA, which I thinks pretty valid and throwaway so I dunno how she says im dressing it up
- doesn't like the read on her. Why not? @Schiavetto whats wrong with it?

Generally when I town read ppl and they like ti they are town but dont like it its because they know its wrong.

I also kinda feel she missed all context about how it happened


`so unlike Cape's wolf read on me, I just dont get this similar to Sabi's.

I expressly said that i disagreed with the drunkposting as a reason to wolfread you, so i'm not sure where you got a. from.
will get into the rest later but will say for now that both the underlined bits are true.

Gm - resigning my Guill TR to sheep other TRs. otherwise here's where i'm at

Because she was sheeping others (+ bad read on me)

She was sheeping nut probs

But she trd him

Wolf

I said as much, yes. You even quoted the post - i mentioned that day that i was feeling uncomfy with the wagon composition on all my votes (didn't like that the people i was feeling sketch on had me w/ wagonmates i was also feeling sketch about)

I also mentioned that I was stepping away to avoid getting stuck in confbias, & EOP when I was back in thread I saw a player i'd been comfortably townreading had been mech conf'd and was v confidently voting someone i'd liked - so i resigned myself to sheeping clear. i don't think there was anything confusing about that.

So crimes of schia:
- Awkward entry posts
- Wolf reading people who town read her
- Turning a town read off and voting a wolf last minute

I think all this is bad and think "tone" is a bad reason to tr her

if i speak !

Schia mafia?

Surprised

The actual reason I'm not mafia is that in the world where me & Guill are W/W, there is 100% no way that these posts:

I like Strawhedge's #464 post, even if I think the reasonings behind like their Valentine suspicion and IAWY suspicion are pretty funny reasons for scumreading someone. No idea if it's normal for them but I know it's normal for some people. But the post does show a level of thinking independantly

[VOTE: LordQuas] aubergine

For now, I just liked Guillo's response to me in #461, it is like Okay now I believe that Guillo believes what they are saying. The lack of further shade from Guillo, or the lack of Guillo shading me for it and instead explaining his POV to me is something that does ping me as a little un-Guillotina like, like I expected a loud OMGUS but whatever.

this post feels weird in retrospect

like i know the lordquas reasoning precedes this post but it feels like. weirdly shoehorned in between two reads that are like there to placate people yk. "yeah i like you two" and then boop sly vote. like the... presentation of it feels a little ?

and i think i'm offput because the general vibe i get from cape90 while skimming is that cape is erring towards townreading people or at the very least unwilling to really push down further than "could be town, could be mafia" anywhere. he feels very... gentle with his approach i guess.

So because you cannot simply unvote I do not think, I wanted to get off Guillotina for now, so I did and voted Quas, and in the post I explain why I unvoted Guillotina.

You could call the approach I took, specifically with Guillotina careful. But tbh, it is one of the better approaches to take with them

Alright Cape90 is town.

it goes it goes it goes it goes

I can compromise in a wagon of any of these people

Petit, Manny, Valentine, Chelsea and Deezee (Deezee being my weakest scum read).

Creature has not moved my needle significantly to either side, i find it weird that he soft a self confirmable role with only the pressure of 4 people but i dont have the balls to kill someone who might be an inno child or desperado so i will not go there today.
If he is chopped today and flips scum the four people that were voting him at the time he hurry-softed his role look good, because they contributed to the pressure that lead to that claim which in most cases i associate with scum freaking the hell out when seen their wagon is getting stagnant and the wagon is held steady by people's pressure he considers the strongest.

If he gets chopped today and flips scum i get no credit though.

it goes it goes it goes it goes

I can compromise in a wagon of any of these people

Petit, Manny, Valentine, Chelsea and Deezee (Deezee being my weakest scum read).

Creature has not moved my needle significantly to either side, i find it weird that he soft a self confirmable role with only the pressure of 4 people but i dont have the balls to kill someone who might be an inno child or desperado so i will not go there today.
If he is chopped today and flips scum the four people that were voting him at the time he hurry-softed his role look good, because they contributed to the pressure that lead to that claim which in most cases i associate with scum freaking the hell out when seen their wagon is getting stagnant and the wagon is held steady by people's pressure he considers the strongest.

If he gets chopped today and flips scum i get no credit though.

it goes it goes it goes it goes

Wha?

are a staged interaction in the gamethread, as opposed to a series of shitposts in wolfchat

I have found these really scummy tbh, but

1) I think it takes to be town to believe and post the last one (like a wolf would recognize this is BS and utterly not clearing lol)
2) I do think this was Mungbean spewing them town

I tried to copy-paste from the poll before but it included names of people who'd voted too. Right, these are the five I need to take a closer look at, JFC.

DeeZees (DrZeus)
IBA
Inawordyes
risiinq-
WindwardAway

Quick summary list of where I'm at following that:

<Most townie>
DeeZees - Confirmed watcher
Chelsea - Turned the tide on Guillo and has been voteblocked in the night
Sabiplz - Most active pusher of Guillo wagon
LordQuas - First on the Guillo wagon
WindwardAway - Solid contributions this day phase and able to verify watcher claim
risiinq - Also reading town to me in this day phase
DaughterOfOmega - Chaotic behaviour but somehow rings true. Not ruling out possibility that they are 3P (possibly with other ability/modifier)
Valentine - Late Guillo vote felt bandwagonish. Another possible 3P candidate more than scum given vote-cancelling ability and Chelsea getting vote cancelled in the night.
IBA - Wish-washy reads today that don't vibe with mine.
Inawordyes - Feels like they changed their playstyle following suspicion D1 and again I don't like their reads in this day phase.
Le petit poussin (Raskolnikov) - Another bandwagonish Guillo vote potentially and just general bad vibes. Not very comfortable voting for them today due to them being commuted though.
Schiavetto - Very late vote on Guillo and has generally coasted. Get no town vibes from their posts really.
<Most scummy>

<Most Colin>
ColinIsCool - I believe his role function as stated and don't think they pose an imminent threat

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

I want to hear more from this player and they towards the top of my shitlist.

"i need to look like i'm still trying; let me spit out some garbage and try to offload pressure on cute, innocent, precious snowflake Schia V. Etto"

So yeah, I still need to do a full reread of Mungbean for spews but I will order my POE like this rn: Rissinq > Colin > Schi >>> Qas.

[Le petit poussin]

[VOTE: risiinq-] aubergine

[ColinIsCool]

Why are people trying to connect me to Mungbean? He probably defended me because we’ve talked ad nauseam about how people who go after 3P when there’s mafia around are usually scum.

[ColinIsCool]

Schiavetto has also been pretty adamant about wanting to get rid of me

Would be super interested in hearing what gave @ColinIsCool this impression - I don't think it's materially grounded.

There is an image a few posts up where you isolated me as the only wolf

Yes, you were openly claimed scum. The same image had a pretty straightforward votepool.

I’m literally not openly claimed scum

I don't know how much of this is community difference but like






you literally claimed 3p scum...............

3p =/= scum

[ColinIsCool]

I neighborized Dz so I don’t have anybody today

So that’s three nights in a row where you neighborized the person most likely to die

Are you lying about your role or just really bad at this

I didn’t think he’d die over Windward or sabi. Turns out they all died anyway

[IBA]

i am town and will claim the kill on cape cuz altho its really no info theres no point in withholding it

i have not killed anyone else

How likely is it in your opinion for town to have 3 different vigs?

[IBA]

I neighborized Dz so I don’t have anybody today

So that’s three nights in a row where you neighborized the person most likely to die

Are you lying about your role or just really bad at this

I didn’t think he’d die over Windward or sabi. Turns out they all died anyway

I mean it was either him or Sabi, and Nutella was clearly the most likely to die before, so this doesn’t answer my question, you’re just ducking it.

[Le petit poussin]

i am town and will claim the kill on cape cuz altho its really no info theres no point in withholding it

i have not killed anyone else

How likely is it in your opinion for town to have 3 different vigs?

at least this doesn't work with a SK. Since there were also 3 kills N3, I'd say rissinq is lying

[ColinIsCool]

I neighborized Dz so I don’t have anybody today

So that’s three nights in a row where you neighborized the person most likely to die

Are you lying about your role or just really bad at this

I didn’t think he’d die over Windward or sabi. Turns out they all died anyway

I mean it was either him or Sabi, and Nutella was clearly the most likely to die before, so this doesn’t answer my question, you’re just ducking it.

It’s actually astounding that there are 4 statements in this post and all 4 of them are wrong lol

[Le petit poussin]

i am town and will claim the kill on cape cuz altho its really no info theres no point in withholding it

i have not killed anyone else

How likely is it in your opinion for town to have 3 different vigs?

at least this doesn't work with a SK. Since there were also 3 kills N3, I'd say rissinq is lying

wait no, nvm WWA and Sabi is prolly just one kill. hmm. f I'll have to reread all DoOm/rissinq. lolmeno.gif

[IBA]

i am town and will claim the kill on cape cuz altho its really no info theres no point in withholding it

i have not killed anyone else

How likely is it in your opinion for town to have 3 different vigs?

at least this doesn't work with a SK. Since there were also 3 kills N3, I'd say rissinq is lying

Windward and Sabi were (mechanically) lovers

[IBA]

I neighborized Dz so I don’t have anybody today

So that’s three nights in a row where you neighborized the person most likely to die

Are you lying about your role or just really bad at this

I didn’t think he’d die over Windward or sabi. Turns out they all died anyway

I mean it was either him or Sabi, and Nutella was clearly the most likely to die before, so this doesn’t answer my question, you’re just ducking it.

It’s actually astounding that there are 4 statements in this post and all 4 of them are wrong lol

Explain how

[Le petit poussin]

@ColinIsCool who are the woofs?

[ColinIsCool]

“I mean it was either him or Sabi” - FALSE! It was not either dz or sabi because Windward also died (and I think it’s fair to say were more likely to die than drunkposting dz)

“and Nutella was clearly the most likely to die before” - FALSE! The town had basically coordinated to protect her iirc so I felt pretty good about this one

“so this doesn’t answer my question” — FALSE! I answered the question

“you’re just ducking it” — FALSE! See above

[IBA]

bro, my three top town died just like that

God I hate this post so much

Yes the mechanically cleared town were everyone’s top town that’s why they’re dead thanks

it was an offhand comment when i saw the deaths and it holds no significance lol, i saw the deaths, said that, had to go take exam

Mmhmm