Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[santygrass]

also alison the only reason i wasnt burying aro with you and mac earlier is because i wasn't here. i was pinged by his posts in the last few pages the moment that i actually read him

Ok i trust u

I will be shot tonight so if spf is mafia this is just me giving her the usual d1 pass and u are all bad for not listening to my warnings to make her do stuff

If she is town i was right to trust her

I think these type of posts + them kinda bothering spf for not being there and 'burying wolves' just speaks to me as Alison clearly being wary of spf this game LOL

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall I think reading Alison ISO and how they treat the Dya/Seanzie slots heavily leand on Dya being Villa and Seanzie being Wolf tbh. Mostly because of how wolf sidey Alison would be in the scenario of Tilg/Porscha W too

totally possible so let's kill both of them and be sure

[Millium]

Idk if I have any plans to vote Alison, but I'm used to their threats now. But that is inconsistency does exist

[ilario]

i think

tilg
porcha
one in dya/seanzie
one in alison/wisp

is what im circling around to atm

i suppose if porcha is v then lily was one of the slots that i potentially thought may have tmid porchad v, and perhaps their play today is focused on trying to keep porcha alive to ml later.

[MacDougall]

can literally anyone explain to me why aro sr'd me past my read on lily

Was there any reason to not scumread you past that?

it's a BS reason to ride my ass for 25+ pages, undoubtedly without a doubt no shadow of a doubt

Let me be clear you're a wolf and you should stop posting or you'll accidentally spew people clear.

I think porscha took me literal

[ilario]

I ended up going with My Hero Academia for some reason. Seems fun.

I still gotta catchup with it, good overall, I suggest attack on titans as well, thr final season is nuts

Yeah I've actually watched s1 of Attack on Titan and it was cool as fuck.

bro watch the rest, it gets better

Ya and season 4 is cracked, whole different ball game

@EnderWiggin
Ur missing out, but maybe I just like darker anime

i feel like i would like all the anime u like

whats ur top 3? (mostly trying to find reccomendations if u watched something that i havent)

[santygrass]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

Porscha, Santy also good exes. I'll give Nook a day.

Also. Seeing this I would say that Alison had their vote on Porscha most of the day. And its a point against tha PowerWolfy Alison with Tilg/Porscha as partners.

But like, I dont recall them doing much to push Porscha? Idk I'll keep reading onto this day.

And also, good odds of Nook/Cham being a difference check too in a W!Alison world just because they treated them like night and day Lol .
Cham> Outed scum you should die
Nook> Weh nook thing. I'll give him a pass today

[dyachei]

ilario please tag me when you do read seanzie

Im honestly beginning to feel like I did in s7 finale where I have good reasons to scum read the guy and others are just glossing over it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Okay so Lily says they are mechanically solving Porscha.

Seanzie and Dya are both suspect of each other and were both in Aro's solve. So I think if you suspect either of them, voting there is a good idea.

Alison claims to be able to self resolve to 80% if they aren't voted, let's just test that and leave her alone @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please.

I think if we follow this track we are probably doing intelligent things as a group.

I sincerely doubt im going to want to do that any more today than I did yesterday lol

If she's non viable at eod and my vote actually matters for the lead wagons ill move it, otherwise

[MacDougall]

I just want to point out that I told Aro to just threaten to post his legacy for the last hour of the game and never post it cuz it would be gamer cuz I felt like he was outed mafia and then he literally did it as a town and convinced me he was outed mafia in the process.

@arogame123 you played yourself.

[MacDougall]

Okay so Lily says they are mechanically solving Porscha.

Seanzie and Dya are both suspect of each other and were both in Aro's solve. So I think if you suspect either of them, voting there is a good idea.

Alison claims to be able to self resolve to 80% if they aren't voted, let's just test that and leave her alone @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please.

I think if we follow this track we are probably doing intelligent things as a group.

I sincerely doubt im going to want to do that any more today than I did yesterday lol

If she's non viable at eod and my vote actually matters for the lead wagons ill move it, otherwise

I just rly don't want to see an Alison town flip in a game where she could have self resolved but also her not going nuts at you is pretty wack.

[MacDougall]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

Porscha, Santy also good exes. I'll give Nook a day.

Also. Seeing this I would say that Alison had their vote on Porscha most of the day. And its a point against tha PowerWolfy Alison with Tilg/Porscha as partners.

But like, I dont recall them doing much to push Porscha? Idk I'll keep reading onto this day.

And also, good odds of Nook/Cham being a difference check too in a W!Alison world just because they treated them like night and day Lol .
Cham> Outed scum you should die
Nook> Weh nook thing. I'll give him a pass today

Another read I made 12 hrs ago that you argued with so bad you made me go on a rant about bad town.

[ilario]

ilario please tag me when you do read seanzie

Im honestly beginning to feel like I did in s7 finale where I have good reasons to scum read the guy and others are just glossing over it

kk will do!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Okay so Lily says they are mechanically solving Porscha.

Seanzie and Dya are both suspect of each other and were both in Aro's solve. So I think if you suspect either of them, voting there is a good idea.

Alison claims to be able to self resolve to 80% if they aren't voted, let's just test that and leave her alone @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please.

I think if we follow this track we are probably doing intelligent things as a group.

I sincerely doubt im going to want to do that any more today than I did yesterday lol

If she's non viable at eod and my vote actually matters for the lead wagons ill move it, otherwise

I just rly don't want to see an Alison town flip in a game where she could have self resolved but also her not going nuts at you is pretty wack.

I think she's probably not town so

[MacDougall]

You know what's funny about Seanzie's iso is that it's like 50% randomly asking me questions with no follow up. It's like I'm the only person in this game he's reading.

[MacDougall]

Seriously look at his like last 6 or so posts. Every one is a random interrogation of me lol.

[dyachei]

You know what's funny about Seanzie's iso is that it's like 50% randomly asking me questions with no follow up. It's like I'm the only person in this game he's reading.

he only follows up when his name is mentioned

[MacDougall]

Allison
Seanzie
Tilgarial
santygrass
SPF
MacDougall

Millium
ilario
Lilypetal

dyachei
arogame123
Porscha

Belzy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Neon
RondoDimBuckle

EnderWiggen

Within tiers aren't necessarily ordered, but sort of.

Why are you townreading me so hard?

Because you said your town streak continues and I believe you.

[MacDougall]

I'd like to point out that Millium/Porscha might as well be 8 to 6 due to the Millium self-vote, so when someone earlier said Porscha's wagon isn't getting steam or whatever... nah. Porscha is a full fledged counterwagon that easily could go over, so that gamestate read was not accurate IMO.

[santygrass]

why is cham very likely town btw al?

I don't know if they're very likely town but I am very open to the possibility that they are.

Reasons would include:

1) I think Porscha is likely to be mafia and Cham wanted us to kill Porscha.
2) Wisp is more likely to be town (shielded hard by Aro + a significant reason to scumread Wisp, ie. the tag teaming with Aro and other assorted partnery interactions, is gone), and Cham wanted to shield Wisp.
3) Aro thought Cham was town (iirc, correct me if wrong).

This progression on Wisp doesnt feel right /shrug.
Or at least it rubs me as not expected from alison reading how strongly they felt about Wisp D1 lol.

I have a townread on dya because I thought their EOD treatment of Aro isn't as likely to come from a mafia.

Idk I think I missed the quote, but later Alison said that they didnt had a strong read on dya when Mac asked. Thats prob a non w/w treatment lf dya fwiw , because Alison could easily try to slide this specific read to throw light onto a partner .

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

In hindsight bolded feels like an... Obtuse question? Like, the reason is obvious that a wolf would feel threatened by a player voting them . And I reached to sus both of you in the end so you were kinda right in the end alison hmmyes

Tilg being on both SPF and Aro scum lists is a bad look for them.

Bye bye the confident townread. Never talked about it again when thread started suspecting Tilg. Their read on tilg was FAKE

I do agree that you should be permitted to attempt to mech self resolve yourself and that you were disallowed that on day 1 was a misplay.

There's a random element to my role which means I only self resolve 80%ish of the time (plus minus some % in case there's role shenanigans at play) but 80% is a pretty big number so if you want to policy me if the 20% hits I don't mind. Since that would be a pretty unlucky scenario and I'd have to play as someone who failed to self resolve for the rest of the game... I don't mind a policy in that case.

Alison is... So quiet about this. Like ffs if I were in their shoes I would be screaming at town for misplaying and not just let me resolve? Like wtf Mac even signals it too and she just 'agrees' and even says its okay to be policied or something?
Feels less and less genuine lol

Porscha is probably volume tell outed

This is the most aggro post irt to Porscha. Compare how Alison is treating Porscha/Tilg to how they were pushing Wisp and aro yesterday and its kind of night and day tbh .

@Alison if you had 3 dayvigs who do you flip for max mafia death potential?

Tilg Porscha Santy

Be surprised if that doesn't yield a ripe harvest of pelts

I agree with this tbh. But Alison even tho it seems to be on the correct read of Tilg/Porscha isnt pushing much for it at all and only seems like a standby vote on Porscha.
Also smh killing me you bish die

[MacDougall]

I'm guessing Janitor but I could see Strongman or something like that.

weird post, try to make fewer weird posts

It's a good post and I'll explain why postgame.

inb4 it's because wisp really is a Janitor and Cham is a Strongman or something

[santygrass]

My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

I think this most often than not is a read that comes from a scum mindset tbh.
And like, I am not even sure its clearing for Cham and could be easily be W/W theater lol. But I'll think about that later

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

it looks like everyone is w reading me today, so please make sure to not let off of seanzie when I flip

I'm not.

[Tilgarial]

Tilg was hella scummy near eod

Seven is obv town

/vote Tilg

talk to me about this?
I'm catching up rn tho, and I'll try and actually concentrate on that, but I'm here

[santygrass]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

Porscha, Santy also good exes. I'll give Nook a day.

Also. Seeing this I would say that Alison had their vote on Porscha most of the day. And its a point against tha PowerWolfy Alison with Tilg/Porscha as partners.

But like, I dont recall them doing much to push Porscha? Idk I'll keep reading onto this day.

And also, good odds of Nook/Cham being a difference check too in a W!Alison world just because they treated them like night and day Lol .
Cham> Outed scum you should die
Nook> Weh nook thing. I'll give him a pass today

Another read I made 12 hrs ago that you argued with so bad you made me go on a rant about bad town.

I dont recall about arguing about that read tho. Like, when tackling Alison I talked mostly about their claim / how the treated me and stuff to highlight why I thought it was towny , and was asking for more Alison casing. I think I said something about Porscha was a fair read tho and all.

So what makes me think is that you go mad at me not agreeing with your stuff and dont even give a fair read at what I am saying to try to work together?

Like, if we go that way you even shat on my PoE with the diff check in dya/seanzie being a random one to put in there.... To later say that dya/seanzie was the most sure diff check or something like that.


Tl;dr: We should stop skill issuing and work together t carry this hmmyes

[santygrass]

@Tilgarial why arent you a vote option in the poll?

[MacDougall]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

Porscha, Santy also good exes. I'll give Nook a day.

Also. Seeing this I would say that Alison had their vote on Porscha most of the day. And its a point against tha PowerWolfy Alison with Tilg/Porscha as partners.

But like, I dont recall them doing much to push Porscha? Idk I'll keep reading onto this day.

And also, good odds of Nook/Cham being a difference check too in a W!Alison world just because they treated them like night and day Lol .
Cham> Outed scum you should die
Nook> Weh nook thing. I'll give him a pass today

Another read I made 12 hrs ago that you argued with so bad you made me go on a rant about bad town.

I dont recall about arguing about that read tho. Like, when tackling Alison I talked mostly about their claim / how the treated me and stuff to highlight why I thought it was towny , and was asking for more Alison casing. I think I said something about Porscha was a fair read tho and all.

So what makes me think is that you go mad at me not agreeing with your stuff and dont even give a fair read at what I am saying to try to work together?

Like, if we go that way you even shat on my PoE with the diff check in dya/seanzie being a random one to put in there.... To later say that dya/seanzie was the most sure diff check or something like that.


Tl;dr: We should stop skill issuing and work together t carry this hmmyes

work deez

[Tilgarial]

@Tilgarial why arent you a vote option in the poll?

I don't know?
it's not something I did/was informed of

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario

You check in and catch up before without posting?

yes but I skimmed since im at work and not sure how much time I have. iread some sort of claim, maybe it was neon and not porscha

Neon and Lily have both claimed mechanical abilities that may be able to solve slots.

Lily says they can solve Porscha and only Porscha.

Neon says they may be able to resolve you/Seanzie.

Alison can self resolve if ppl don't vote her (so she says).

Tilgarial is outed fmpov.

Gotta say that's a lot of woofs I "shouldn't" vote for lol.

I guess the correct thing to do is kill outside all of these so I guess like Cham?

When the fuck did I claim that?

[ilario]

Tilg was hella scummy near eod

Seven is obv town

/vote Tilg

talk to me about this?
I'm catching up rn tho, and I'll try and actually concentrate on that, but I'm here

LMAOO where did u come from

it was ur vote on aro that pinged me like insane. mostly ur reasoning behind it

[Tilgarial]

aight im doming ilario today

Ur doing a great job of honoring aros legacy

You’ve somehow managed to vote his tr, ignore his srs, and manage to descent into chaos in a manner of minutes lol

I’m just going to solve around you then

we dome these

I'm gonna say this now, but I think you're both town, so I hope this chilled out

[ilario]

Everybody is talking about aro, nobody* is voting them
So here
[VOTE: arogame [vote\]

*well, three are, but like still the lowest current wagon] aubergine

[VOTE: @Tilgarial werent you townreading aro? What happened?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Ngl, I was already struggling to maintain that, and the current situation just needed to change] aubergine

[VOTE:

these posts pinged me like insane and just dont match up with ur earlier thoughts on aro] aubergine

[ilario]

oh wthhh i had the vote tag on

[santygrass]

i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario

You check in and catch up before without posting?

yes but I skimmed since im at work and not sure how much time I have. iread some sort of claim, maybe it was neon and not porscha

Neon and Lily have both claimed mechanical abilities that may be able to solve slots.

Lily says they can solve Porscha and only Porscha.

Neon says they may be able to resolve you/Seanzie.

Alison can self resolve if ppl don't vote her (so she says).

Tilgarial is outed fmpov.

Gotta say that's a lot of woofs I "shouldn't" vote for lol.

I guess the correct thing to do is kill outside all of these so I guess like Cham?

When the fuck did I claim that?

I think Mac confused you and me btw. I was the one who claimed possible mech on dya/seanzie

[ilario]

it also shouldnt be in caps, that feels so aggresive lol

[ilario]

Everybody is talking about aro, nobody* is voting them
So here
[VOTE: arogame [vote\]

*well, three are, but like still the lowest current wagon] aubergine

[VOTE: @Tilgarial werent you townreading aro? What happened?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Ngl, I was already struggling to maintain that, and the current situation just needed to change] aubergine

[VOTE:


let me try quoting again] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i think lily needs to go off a claim or something ilario

You check in and catch up before without posting?

yes but I skimmed since im at work and not sure how much time I have. iread some sort of claim, maybe it was neon and not porscha

Neon and Lily have both claimed mechanical abilities that may be able to solve slots.

Lily says they can solve Porscha and only Porscha.

Neon says they may be able to resolve you/Seanzie.

Alison can self resolve if ppl don't vote her (so she says).

Tilgarial is outed fmpov.

Gotta say that's a lot of woofs I "shouldn't" vote for lol.

I guess the correct thing to do is kill outside all of these so I guess like Cham?

When the fuck did I claim that?

I think Mac confused you and me btw. I was the one who claimed possible mech on dya/seanzie

Okay lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I feel invisible this game lol

[ilario]

Everybody is talking about aro, nobody* is voting them
So here
/vote arogame

*well, three are, but like still the lowest current wagon

@Tilgarial werent you townreading aro? What happened?

Ngl, I was already struggling to maintain that, and the current situation just needed to change

[santygrass]

I feel invisible this game lol

Do you have any read that you feel is like not taken into consideration?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I feel invisible this game lol

Do you have any read that you feel is like not taken into consideration?

I mean not really cause I need someone to work with me. I'm not a great scum hunter.

I do think Chamomiles iso is weird though.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Not a great individual scum hunter

[Tilgarial]

Everybody is talking about aro, nobody* is voting them
So here
/vote arogame

*well, three are, but like still the lowest current wagon

@Tilgarial werent you townreading aro? What happened?

Ngl, I was already struggling to maintain that, and the current situation just needed to change

almost everybody was talking about sussing aro, but nobody was actively moving there. that's a werid situation no matter how you put it, no?

[ilario]

Everybody is talking about aro, nobody* is voting them
So here
/vote arogame

*well, three are, but like still the lowest current wagon

@Tilgarial werent you townreading aro? What happened?

Ngl, I was already struggling to maintain that, and the current situation just needed to change

almost everybody was talking about sussing aro, but nobody was actively moving there. that's a werid situation no matter how you put it, no?

eh, same can be said about a lot of slots though. why did the situation warrant changing? why was that enough for you to disregard your earlier tr on aro?

[Tilgarial]

Everybody is talking about aro, nobody* is voting them
So here
/vote arogame

*well, three are, but like still the lowest current wagon

@Tilgarial werent you townreading aro? What happened?

Ngl, I was already struggling to maintain that, and the current situation just needed to change

almost everybody was talking about sussing aro, but nobody was actively moving there. that's a werid situation no matter how you put it, no?

eh, same can be said about a lot of slots though. why did the situation warrant changing? why was that enough for you to disregard your earlier tr on aro?

I wasn't disregarding my tr on aro
I had a micro tr on aro, but several points didn't sit right with me
parts I caught in the perpetual catchup, parts just directly in the moment
I'm also like 90% sure I said something to that effect, tbh

[santygrass]

Spoiler: show

I think that if Alison is town almost always one in Ender/nook should be mafia tbh.

So like, if you want to be more fair and without bias from my own read.
Nanook/ender/alison doesnt feel like a pure group so solving in there might be good

Spoiler: show

My role gives me a bonus if I have no vote at EOD. Therefore I will not be voting in the poll. I will not be claiming exact details or flavor in order to avoid a soupkill. I will still use the vote tags to indicate my strongest suspicion.

Anyway Rondo is mafia.

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Milium town Seanzie town.

Why am I town?

You are out of your scum range.

Milium town Seanzie town.

I think ur probably town but can you explain these two reads ?

See above for Seanzie.

Milium is town because they are a completely fresh face in the middle of an extremely insular playerlist that all know each other and have lots of experience with each other and still come off as the most relaxed and comfortable person in the thread.

I rescind my townread on Seanzie because he didn't get offended enough when I said he was out of his scum range.

Rondo is being reasonable and townie and solvey which means he is lock mafia.

Just to be clear I have a bonus if I don't vote but I can still vote if I want so if voting is more important than getting the bonus (eg. tie between me and my scumread and I need to self pres) I will.

Wisp is town clearing me for claiming my role in post 1?

Okay well that's weird and suspicious because I don't think Wisp's knowledge of me should lead him to do that.

@Millium Haven't you seen me do bold fakeclaims before?

Alison SoD I think was the towniest by far in regards to how they were giving reads and that sort of stuff. Even if alison is a wolf their SoD was the more pro-villa one with how they were just putting their reads out there imo
Also I think likely unpaired with Wisp

Currently at the Neon post.

Aro
Wisp
Seanzie
Neon
Rondo

My scumreads

Mac shielding Aro and Rondo

I trust Mac so take the other three as my immediate POE

There are good odds that this is all town fwiw.
Is alison a power-wolfy type of player?
Like, I only see from there rondo or Seanzie being Wolves. And if Porscha is a wolf f.e, then I think Rondo is less likely. Same stuff in W!dya V!seanzie scenarios .

Or maybe Rondo is mafia there and they are using Mac shield too tbh

Btw the power-wolfy type of player I need answered by people who know Alison because if not I think usually a list with various names as PoE without any wolf I usually indicate it more towards lack of TMI tbh

SPF progression on Illario was decent

Tilgarial feels like they're working alone.

Townleans for both.

@Alison is this your first time playing with Tilg btw? Have you read champs sf2 or finale?

Millium, Porscha, Santy, Lily, Aro.

Of those with votes, these are the wagons I can tolerate.

Aro and Millium are both a step above in preference (ie. I want them dead more).

Here are minimum 4 Town too btw.

I think Porscha likely a wolf there but Idrc them pushing Porscha or going there ? We'll see later in the ISO i guess.

But anyways Alison is super off irt to reads and its worrying

I think that if Alison is town almost always one in Ender/nook should be mafia tbh.

So like, if you want to be more fair and without bias from my own read.
Nanook/ender/alison doesnt feel like a pure group so solving in there might be good

Why?

Because doesnt feel like town violenece onto Alison at all imo. I dont vibed much with the way Alison was pushed maybe.

But now I am rereading and vibing less with alison as a whole so on hold

And also like, the way alison reacted to the push maybe add onto my feeling that it isnt full of Villa's there?

Porscha is an ok exe. Would prefer Wisp or Aro but this is fine.

Wowee post if Porscha is mafia

I feel apathetic because I am set in my reads and short of someone towning it up super hard or outing themselves I doubt I'll change them. Everything I am reading has made me more and more certain in those reads. I know it is confbias but I love being confbiased so that's fine.

I'm not gonna vote unless it's a really dire situation. So there's not much point in me sitting around here arguing with people for the next 7 hours especially since the current wagons are very okay with me anyway. I'm just going to do what Nook does and post my reads and then chill. Ping me if someone towns it up super hard or outs themselves. I will probably check in in the last few minutes just in case I need to self pres or if the wagons are tied between Mac and Aro or something silly.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: Lilypetal, EnderWiggin, Porscha, santygrass
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Rondo, Neon
Shrug: dyachei, Chamomile, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

If you're not on here it means you're meh.

And like .. if Porscha/Tilg are indeed W/W , this amount of wolfsiding of Alison is crazy LOL

There is about an 80% chance that I will be mechanically locked town by D2. It's not deterministic since there's potential stuff that could mess with it (esp in a closed setup) but it exists. So if there's a doctor or similar they should be on me.

Displeased that nook voted Alison still smh

Actually I'm going to drop some respect to Lily and trust her Santy shield.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: EnderWiggin, Porscha, Rondo
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Neon
I scumread by Lily is shielding and I trust her: Santygrass
Shrug: dyachei, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie, Lilypetal, Chamomile
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

This is a bit better cuz they moved a kinda PoE slot to town and trusted a shield on another town player, that goes a bit against the PowerWolf Alison Perspective I was making ik my head while thinking of how W!Alison approached this game

SPF could you explain your votes on me and then Tilg? Do you genuinely think those are the most likely to flip mafia?

Standing Emoji

Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

I just got a clarification for my role, it's not that I get a bonus if I don't vote, I get a bonus if nobody votes for me

jeez

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Nobody is allowed to vote me now or town loses a PR

I still kinda townread the derp. But looking at Alison reads and people stating that Alison tends to fakeclaims I am not going to weigh that much fwiw. At least not so much looking at the Tilg confident townread or the lowkey shield on Porscha. Or how they talked to spf with why they voted her / Tilg.
Like, that post explains quite a bit why spf was killed and perfectly makes sense in a world where Alison is worried about the spf godreads tbh

I just got a clarification for my role, it's not that I get a bonus if I don't vote, I get a bonus if nobody votes for me

jeez

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Intresting. Well my mech town read is gone now lol

Don't worry if everything goes right you'll have me as mech town by tomorrow anyway.

@Alison are you 3p? Like ffs you should be more salty at nook for their vote. Specially considering that you said your role was clearing, and you are okay with being a wagon?
Like I expect you to say 'get off me stop throwing I can clear myself easily' but you not boosting that or using it as much makes me think it isnt clearing and you were being performative.
So I would like for you to expand on what is your approach to your wagon and what do you think of your role

Wisp has just moved from "top scumread" to "policy exe".

This read didnt hold up.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

If we think Dya/Seanzie is a diff check. I think the wolf is most likely Seanzie in a W!alison world . My thoughts just looking at the ISO tbh.

Personally I would vote Wisp even if he's town because he's a liability.

And if he flips town, how does that change your perspective?

Chamomile moves into my lock towns, and I have a long talk with you. Then I start hunting for who I miscleared on the Wisp wagon.

I think the approach alison was stating near EoD like... Didnt hold up at all today? And makes me lean more into it being fake.
Like, I dont remember alison pressuring much Wisp at all and its just keeping them in sidelines tbh

What reason do you have to suspect Tilg?

Tilg has treated me in an incredibly townie way.

Standing Emoji. The amount of confidence in the Tilg read is lynch worthy.
Because they either
A)Havent played with Tilg before so they shouldn't have this confidence
B)Have played/spectated Tilg before and should know that their reasons for clearing Tilg are bad ones IMO

According to you voting out a town Wisp would immediately out half the mafia team when people aren't willing to follow you on them... why are you reluctant about it?

Bruh, I don’t vote my tr to prove a point.

It’s a win/win because either wisp dies due other people voting him and then whoever is town on the wagon will realize or, Porscha dies and likely flips mafia which will change a lot of people’s minds as well lol.

Like a Porscha flip also helps people realize that wisp is likely town based on gamestate thread with voting movemengs

hahahaha no

if porscha flips mafia I am gonna shoot wisp in the night regardless. He is a liability and must be killed

Alison felt SO strongly about Wisp and I feel like Alison didnt tackle or pushed Wisp today and I think that is kinda outing ngl.
In a sense that the perspective Alison puts in the thread doesnt holds up + wolfsiding

@Millium give someone a gift to not vote you and vote Alison unless she unvotes you

Actually vote Alison unless she votes Porscha.

I have hard claimed that I have a powerful townsided PR that is unlocked through me not getting any votes.

Anyone who votes me is essentially outing as scum... so if Millium votes me I'm going to vote him 10x as much and see it as a last ditch effort for scum to try to take away a town PR while going down.

Alison not slapping nanook for their actions, or signal boosting this irt to their wagon today, just makes its far more likely that it was indeed a fake claim.

Nook was right all along and I had the skill issue !?!?
Stop this I want to leave

also alison the only reason i wasnt burying aro with you and mac earlier is because i wasn't here. i was pinged by his posts in the last few pages the moment that i actually read him

Ok i trust u

I will be shot tonight so if spf is mafia this is just me giving her the usual d1 pass and u are all bad for not listening to my warnings to make her do stuff

If she is town i was right to trust her

I think these type of posts + them kinda bothering spf for not being there and 'burying wolves' just speaks to me as Alison clearly being wary of spf this game LOL

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

Porscha, Santy also good exes. I'll give Nook a day.

Also. Seeing this I would say that Alison had their vote on Porscha most of the day. And its a point against tha PowerWolfy Alison with Tilg/Porscha as partners.

But like, I dont recall them doing much to push Porscha? Idk I'll keep reading onto this day.

And also, good odds of Nook/Cham being a difference check too in a W!Alison world just because they treated them like night and day Lol .
Cham> Outed scum you should die
Nook> Weh nook thing. I'll give him a pass today

why is cham very likely town btw al?

I don't know if they're very likely town but I am very open to the possibility that they are.

Reasons would include:

1) I think Porscha is likely to be mafia and Cham wanted us to kill Porscha.
2) Wisp is more likely to be town (shielded hard by Aro + a significant reason to scumread Wisp, ie. the tag teaming with Aro and other assorted partnery interactions, is gone), and Cham wanted to shield Wisp.
3) Aro thought Cham was town (iirc, correct me if wrong).

This progression on Wisp doesnt feel right /shrug.
Or at least it rubs me as not expected from alison reading how strongly they felt about Wisp D1 lol.

I have a townread on dya because I thought their EOD treatment of Aro isn't as likely to come from a mafia.

Idk I think I missed the quote, but later Alison said that they didnt had a strong read on dya when Mac asked. Thats prob a non w/w treatment lf dya fwiw , because Alison could easily try to slide this specific read to throw light onto a partner .

[VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

In hindsight bolded feels like an... Obtuse question? Like, the reason is obvious that a wolf would feel threatened by a player voting them . And I reached to sus both of you in the end so you were kinda right in the end alison hmmyes

Tilg being on both SPF and Aro scum lists is a bad look for them.

Bye bye the confident townread. Never talked about it again when thread started suspecting Tilg. Their read on tilg was FAKE

I do agree that you should be permitted to attempt to mech self resolve yourself and that you were disallowed that on day 1 was a misplay.

There's a random element to my role which means I only self resolve 80%ish of the time (plus minus some % in case there's role shenanigans at play) but 80% is a pretty big number so if you want to policy me if the 20% hits I don't mind. Since that would be a pretty unlucky scenario and I'd have to play as someone who failed to self resolve for the rest of the game... I don't mind a policy in that case.

Alison is... So quiet about this. Like ffs if I were in their shoes I would be screaming at town for misplaying and not just let me resolve? Like wtf Mac even signals it too and she just 'agrees' and even says its okay to be policied or something?
Feels less and less genuine lol

Porscha is probably volume tell outed

This is the most aggro post irt to Porscha. Compare how Alison is treating Porscha/Tilg to how they were pushing Wisp and aro yesterday and its kind of night and day tbh .

@Alison if you had 3 dayvigs who do you flip for max mafia death potential?

Tilg Porscha Santy

Be surprised if that doesn't yield a ripe harvest of pelts

I agree with this tbh. But Alison even tho it seems to be on the correct read of Tilg/Porscha isnt pushing much for it at all and only seems like a standby vote on Porscha.
Also smh killing me you bish die

My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

I think this most often than not is a read that comes from a scum mindset tbh.
And like, I am not even sure its clearing for Cham and could be easily be W/W theater lol. But I'll think about that later

Putting my posts about Alison ISO in one post, for easy referencing purposes. And pelt purpose ofc .

@Tilgarial lmk your thoughts on it when you have time

[dyachei]

cham/seanzie/porscha/alison +3p?

[santygrass]

Alison
Porscha
Tilgarial
Seanzie > Dyachei
Cham > Nanook

Its where I am currently at

[ilario]

Everybody is talking about aro, nobody* is voting them
So here
/vote arogame

*well, three are, but like still the lowest current wagon

@Tilgarial werent you townreading aro? What happened?

Ngl, I was already struggling to maintain that, and the current situation just needed to change

almost everybody was talking about sussing aro, but nobody was actively moving there. that's a werid situation no matter how you put it, no?

eh, same can be said about a lot of slots though. why did the situation warrant changing? why was that enough for you to disregard your earlier tr on aro?

I wasn't disregarding my tr on aro
I had a micro tr on aro, but several points didn't sit right with me
parts I caught in the perpetual catchup, parts just directly in the moment
I'm also like 90% sure I said something to that effect, tbh

can you go into specifics? what did sit right with you?

[ilario]

didnt*