The Syndicate

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:56 pm Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

Would you like his recent wolf rand

Because he can do this as wolf.

This is why I don't trust him.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:05 pm Oh and I am for sure 100% in my wolf range but also my wolf range is really big.

I don't think wilgy wants to read a nearly 20k post game, Sabi.

If I am alive at lylo having missed a lot you can just mercy kill me lol x)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:06 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:56 pm Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

Would you like his recent wolf rand

Because he can do this as wolf.

This is why I don't trust him.

I'm well aware of his recent wolf rand, and I see the similarities. I do think Achro is in W range and would call them a wolf read.

Do I think that there are better choices in the current? yes. Do I think if Achro is wolf, they'll get caught by town and later found associations? Yes, probably just like in two kill.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:05 pm Byleth is pretty cool tbh, and the game doesn't suffer at all imo.


That being said which of my reads do you think aren't good? ;o

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:22 am Alright

Nanook/Mac/Sabi Town can't change my mind

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:06 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:56 pm Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

Would you like his recent wolf rand

Because he can do this as wolf.

This is why I don't trust him.

I'm well aware of his recent wolf rand, and I see the similarities. I do think Achro is in W range and would call them a wolf read.

Do I think that there are better choices in the current? yes. Do I think if Achro is wolf, they'll get caught by town and later found associations? Yes, probably just like in two kill.

Wait you read a 20K post game because that's what I'm talking about

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:11 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:06 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:56 pm Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

Would you like his recent wolf rand

Because he can do this as wolf.

This is why I don't trust him.

I'm well aware of his recent wolf rand, and I see the similarities. I do think Achro is in W range and would call them a wolf read.

Do I think that there are better choices in the current? yes. Do I think if Achro is wolf, they'll get caught by town and later found associations? Yes, probably just like in two kill.

Wait you read a 20K post game because that's what I'm talking about

I literally participated in it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:48 am Town

Neon
Sabi
HK
Porscha
Wilgy

Fuck knows

Nanook
Achro
Lily

Woofs

Ender
Esooa

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:14 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:11 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:06 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:56 pm Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

Would you like his recent wolf rand

Because he can do this as wolf.

This is why I don't trust him.

I'm well aware of his recent wolf rand, and I see the similarities. I do think Achro is in W range and would call them a wolf read.

Do I think that there are better choices in the current? yes. Do I think if Achro is wolf, they'll get caught by town and later found associations? Yes, probably just like in two kill.

Wait you read a 20K post game because that's what I'm talking about

I literally participated in it.

We are talking about fortress of lies.

You weren't in the game?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:46 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:56 pm Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:56 pm Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.

Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.

I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.

santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:20 pm I can be your snack

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:23 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:46 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:56 pm Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:20 pm I can be your snack

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:31 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:23 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:46 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:56 pm Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:30 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:20 pm I can be your snack

*slaps anti santy sticker on the anti lucy gun*,

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:41 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:31 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:23 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:46 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:56 pm Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

Wait, I thought I was kissing Mac?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:34 am My favourite part is the people scumreading me while coming to the exact same townreads I did.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:33 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:31 am @Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:29 pm Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:41 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:31 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:23 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:46 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:56 pm Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

Wait, I thought I was kissing Mac?

Everyone is kissing everyone.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:53 pm So town reads are town

Null
Visor
Jack - True Neutral
Santy

Wolf
Ender
Mac

To finish my list of things

I think I will learn a lot from ender/santy slapping each other around today.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:54 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:53 pm So town reads are town

Null
Visor
Jack - True Neutral
Santy

Wolf
Ender
Mac

To finish my list of things

I think I will learn a lot from ender/santy slapping each other around today.

Mac is voting ender, what's your take on that?

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:53 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:29 pm Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

I don't really see how you'd consider my reasons as checking out as much as you seem to considering most of them are saying your reads don't really make sense/are bad lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:37 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:33 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:31 am @Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Huh. That's cool. I don't think my own personal matches up with this very well off memory but that's a cool idea to track that and it makes sense then. The first three on me I believe were lily/porscha/esooa and I have them all town atm tho

Tbh when I said the first wagon to get to 3 what I really meant was "any wagon that has 3 votes on it at the time I've made the observation always has 1 mafia on it". And if memory serves it has always been 1 as well and I think in this game that's even more likely to be the case. The thing is that if you already had 3, the wolf is unlikely to have taken their vote off you as well so I feel like that makes a difference check between Lily and Esooa.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:56 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:53 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:29 pm Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

I don't really see how you'd consider my reasons as checking out as much as you seem to considering most of them are saying your reads don't really make sense/are bad lol

Let me try to explain and then get told that these don't make sense/are bad too.

Basically I try to place myself in your shoes and your knowledge of me. The way you progress through my reads and how you attack them I consider and go 'Ah, they don't understand why I do this or that" or "they aren't looking at the angle I am, but I can see the gears turning inside their head" and so I think it makes all of the sense in the world why you suspect me. I also think there might be a little hesitance if you were a wolf to double down on your read of me given your thread position at the time was the leading wagon and suspicion was kind of ebbing a little bit away from me.

Overall I have found your read of me to be easy to follow, logical, and in line with what I perceive to be your knowledge of me (very little if any?) and without any predatory behavior or ill intent. So that's a town read.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:58 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:56 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:53 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:29 pm Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

I don't really see how you'd consider my reasons as checking out as much as you seem to considering most of them are saying your reads don't really make sense/are bad lol

Let me try to explain and then get told that these don't make sense/are bad too.

Basically I try to place myself in your shoes and your knowledge of me. The way you progress through my reads and how you attack them I consider and go 'Ah, they don't understand why I do this or that" or "they aren't looking at the angle I am, but I can see the gears turning inside their head" and so I think it makes all of the sense in the world why you suspect me. I also think there might be a little hesitance if you were a wolf to double down on your read of me given your thread position at the time was the leading wagon and suspicion was kind of ebbing a little bit away from me.

Overall I have found your read of me to be easy to follow, logical, and in line with what I perceive to be your knowledge of me (very little if any?) and without any predatory behavior or ill intent. So that's a town read.

I mean, that's a fine opinion to have, and I don't really know anything about you. I just feel like it's weird that you've not been more concerned about people who wolf read.

It's not really important to you, though, not anything to discuss I suppose

I'm voting Mac for a bit anyways

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:29 pm Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:31 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:23 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:46 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:56 pm Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:37 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:33 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:31 am @Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Huh. That's cool. I don't think my own personal matches up with this very well off memory but that's a cool idea to track that and it makes sense then. The first three on me I believe were lily/porscha/esooa and I have them all town atm tho

Tbh when I said the first wagon to get to 3 what I really meant was "any wagon that has 3 votes on it at the time I've made the observation always has 1 mafia on it". And if memory serves it has always been 1 as well and I think in this game that's even more likely to be the case. The thing is that if you already had 3, the wolf is unlikely to have taken their vote off you as well so I feel like that makes a difference check between Lily and Esooa.

Hold on, why a difference check as opposed to "not teammates?"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:41 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:31 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:23 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:46 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:56 pm Nook and Achro should kiss

I town read this and also would town read that action

This game needs more kissing

plz no kissing HK

Too late you're kissing Mac.

Wait, I thought I was kissing Mac?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:48 am Town

Neon
Sabi
HK
Porscha
Wilgy

Fuck knows

Nanook
Achro
Lily

Woofs

Ender
Esooa

Care to talk to me more about Esooa? I think they are town.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:59 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:29 pm Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

the best/closest I can come to articulating the read is that you're too laissez faire about the way you're being read. There's very little bite in your interactions surrounding how people are reading you and while I can totally grok changing up style and tone and methodology because lord knows I do that constantly it still doesn't quite sit right with me. It's a big reason why I'm not articulating it and/or pushing you with it because I'm not sure it can be trusted or whether or not I'm working off of outdated information/experience, or if it's just a tonal/style shift that I'm having a hard time adjusting to.

Which is why my conclusion is to sit on the read, remind others I have it on occasion, and see what people make of it. If I'm getting consistent push-back on the read form people I town read might mean I'm more likely than not to be wrong. If the push-back comes from people I'm suspect of there's a road of engagement there that I can work with, and finally if I'm not getting much push-back at all from either camp I assume I'm the wolf and about to die

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:53 pm So town reads are town

Null
Visor
Jack - True Neutral
Santy

Wolf
Ender
Mac

To finish my list of things

I think I will learn a lot from ender/santy slapping each other around today.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:33 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:31 am @Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Does this apply to Ender currently? Who's the Wolf here?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:59 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:29 pm Also as I tried to explain in ASMR I don't really mind being wolf read. I mind being wolf read for what feels like bad reasons.

All reasons check out so far as to why people are suspicious except for HK who has no stated reason and might just be mocking me at this point.

the best/closest I can come to articulating the read is that you're too laissez faire about the way you're being read. There's very little bite in your interactions surrounding how people are reading you and while I can totally grok changing up style and tone and methodology because lord knows I do that constantly it still doesn't quite sit right with me. It's a big reason why I'm not articulating it and/or pushing you with it because I'm not sure it can be trusted or whether or not I'm working off of outdated information/experience, or if it's just a tonal/style shift that I'm having a hard time adjusting to.

Which is why my conclusion is to sit on the read, remind others I have it on occasion, and see what people make of it. If I'm getting consistent push-back on the read form people I town read might mean I'm more likely than not to be wrong. If the push-back comes from people I'm suspect of there's a road of engagement there that I can work with, and finally if I'm not getting much push-back at all from either camp I assume I'm the wolf and about to die

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:02 pmFLASH wAGON

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:37 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:33 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:31 am @Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Huh. That's cool. I don't think my own personal matches up with this very well off memory but that's a cool idea to track that and it makes sense then. The first three on me I believe were lily/porscha/esooa and I have them all town atm tho

Tbh when I said the first wagon to get to 3 what I really meant was "any wagon that has 3 votes on it at the time I've made the observation always has 1 mafia on it". And if memory serves it has always been 1 as well and I think in this game that's even more likely to be the case. The thing is that if you already had 3, the wolf is unlikely to have taken their vote off you as well so I feel like that makes a difference check between Lily and Esooa.

Hold on, why a difference check as opposed to "not teammates?"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:37 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:33 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:31 am @Achromatic if you are town then you have a wolf voting for you. Who is it?

I think town are much more likely to vote me early than wolves especially when I am playing like this so we will see how risii pans out but otherwise I suspect low wolf activity so far.

If you are town, you have a wolf voting on you more than 50% of the time. It is a phenomenon I have been tracking. The first wagon to get to 3 votes almost always has a mafia on it if they are town. I have caught wolves with this read in almost every game I've played in the last 2 years.

Huh. That's cool. I don't think my own personal matches up with this very well off memory but that's a cool idea to track that and it makes sense then. The first three on me I believe were lily/porscha/esooa and I have them all town atm tho

Tbh when I said the first wagon to get to 3 what I really meant was "any wagon that has 3 votes on it at the time I've made the observation always has 1 mafia on it". And if memory serves it has always been 1 as well and I think in this game that's even more likely to be the case. The thing is that if you already had 3, the wolf is unlikely to have taken their vote off you as well so I feel like that makes a difference check between Lily and Esooa.

Hold on, why a difference check as opposed to "not teammates?"