The Syndicate

Did anybody not vote?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:13 pm I just caught up. I am about to rain hell down on the following.

Sloonei
Marmot
Jack
Kyle
Luna

This should be good.

Just to be clear. I wrote that post after having a catch up read and as I go back over the game time and time again my perspectives change. After having deep dived through Sloonei's posts I have you back more towards the middle of the pack.

Right now Sloonei, Marmot and Colin are full scumreads with Long Con, Dunya and Luna all scum leans and you and Kyle more null.

Read my case on Sloonei and give me some perspective.

Kites and Lapluie didn't.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:35 pm Kites and Lapluie didn't.

Kites posted. Did Lapluie?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:36 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:35 pm Kites and Lapluie didn't.

Kites posted. Did Lapluie?

Yes

But kites asked for a replacement

M Plus 7
Scotty
Turnip Head
Dom
novaselinenever
Golden
Epignosis
wolbre04
Choutas
Spacedaisy
lapluie
speedchuck
Kylemii
Jackofhearts2005
Kites
dunya
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
ColinIsCool
Sloonei

Get dat rainbow.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:36 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:35 pm Kites and Lapluie didn't.

Kites posted. Did Lapluie?

Yes

But kites asked for a replacement

Care to help me build perspective on the people in the middle of my rainbow? From Choutas through to Kites. I'd love to hear some reads on that group.

Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Having a quick analysis of where the suspicious groups votes ended up.

dunya - Off wagon vote for Turnip Head. Interesting. I know she has had to take some time out of the game but I can't recall a time I saw Dunya's vote end up on someone nobody else voted for.

Long Con - On a Dunya wagon that didn't take off. Safe place for a scum vote to end up (especially if that player is a teammate).

Lunalee - Voted for Golden. Worth going back over the why here. Lunalee was catching some heat and I was pinged several times during the read by Lunalee. For what I perceived as insincerity.

Marmot - Right there on sig. That's a bold vote for a scum to make, but it's Marmot, and he would.

ColinIsCool - Lunalee. Same rules apply on this as Long Con's vote.

Sloonei - Last vote on Nova before Golden pushed sig over the line. In isolation it's the best explained vote of all of these, but I would expect nothing less from Sloonei.

The worst votes here are Colin and Long Con's. There is fucking 100% scum in this pile.

Because I'm not seeing any answer to this elsewhere, and I'm used to submitting it to the host (I'm just not sure which person helping run the game to pm)

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Just PM Jay with questions like this.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:16 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:42 pmShe's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*

seriously? I had no idea

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:41 pmYep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

I don’t eat feta

Scum.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:13 pm I just caught up. I am about to rain hell down on the following.

Sloonei
Marmot
Jack
Kyle
Luna

This should be good.

Just to be clear. I wrote that post after having a catch up read and as I go back over the game time and time again my perspectives change. After having deep dived through Sloonei's posts I have you back more towards the middle of the pack.

Right now Sloonei, Marmot and Colin are full scumreads with Long Con, Dunya and Luna all scum leans and you and Kyle more null.

Read my case on Sloonei and give me some perspective.

It’s sexy.

I need to think everything over (especially cause I haven’t read the first 12 or so pages yet) but it’s a hell of a start.

The so-called Brave are colored in Red, finally.

Catching up.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:37 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:24 pm Hey, Lunalee, I asked you a question about logical fallacies. Did you miss it?

Yep, I missed it. You should tag me when asking a question. You asked about my use of the term logical fallacy? All I meant was that LC's reasoning was erroneous. His vote on Golden should not be dependent on my previous vote on him.

Do you feel like this tells you anything about LC's alignment?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:42 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:36 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:35 pm Kites and Lapluie didn't.

Kites posted. Did Lapluie?

Yes

But kites asked for a replacement

Care to help me build perspective on the people in the middle of my rainbow? From Choutas through to Kites. I'd love to hear some reads on that group.

Kyle is nothing like his baddie self in GoC and reminds me of town Kyle from six years ago.

Spacedaisy, nothing bothers me yet, but she’s not easy to read.

I very much find myself agreeing with speedchuck perspective, not just his reads but rationale, and he was a leading voice in questioning the nova train which I think was a good look for him. I have him town.

Choutas I’ll reserve judgment on, but his vote for me was more idealistic than grounded which I don’t love.

The rest are true null reads for me for now.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:03 pm

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:42 pmShe's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*

seriously? I had no idea

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:41 pmYep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

I'm sort of familiar with dunya's meta. Not so much Golden's.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:13 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:03 pm

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:42 pmShe's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*

seriously? I had no idea

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:41 pmYep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

I'm sort of familiar with dunya's meta. Not so much Golden's.

Not at all mine yet, I’d say, unless I’m wrong that we haven’t played together before? Or is this a ‘you’ve heard of me’ thing like dunya with dom?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:09 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

I didn't know who I would submit an ability to if I eventually used it because there were several people helping run the game. Jimmy said that I could message him after I asked in pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:15 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:13 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:03 pm

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:42 pmShe's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*

seriously? I had no idea

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:41 pmYep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

I'm sort of familiar with dunya's meta. Not so much Golden's.

Not at all mine yet, I’d say, unless I’m wrong that we haven’t played together before? Or is this a ‘you’ve heard of me’ thing like dunya with dom?

Yep, I don't believe I've played with you before, Golden. I'm only familiar with dunya's meta because we've been in a couple of games together, and I've heard more about her.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:09 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

private chat?

BTW, that was a crazy turn of events earlier. I was around until the last half hour before the lynch, and didn't realize sig had any votes. Anyone care to explain what happened? [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] , [mention]Marmot[/mention] , [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] , [mention]Dom[/mention] , [mention]Golden[/mention]

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:18 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:09 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

private chat?

Yes.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:22 pm BTW, that was a crazy turn of events earlier. I was around until the last half hour before the lynch, and didn't realize sig had any votes. Anyone care to explain what happened? @novaselinenever , @Marmot , @M Plus 7 , @Dom , @Golden

He had a good case against him, imo at least.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:09 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

If by private chat you mean the role PM that all of us got, yes.

you're making it seem like I'm in a scum chat by using "private chat"

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:32 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:09 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:49 pm Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

If by private chat you mean the role PM that all of us got, yes.

you're making it seem like I'm in a scum chat by using "private chat"

lol no, I'm not baiting you or implying that.

I mean the role private conversation. Questions like that can be asked there and it looks like you did.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:52 pm I don't like the case for nova right now; reading the thread, it looks like it's based on the whole sig thing, but then why wouldn't people just vote sig? Feels weird to me, but sig doesn't seem like scum either. I don't think using hedge words is necessarily a scum tell, I think some people just talk like that (you might notice I say the word "just" about a thousand times a post, for example.) Nothing after that changed my view of him.

I don't think Epignosis is scum right now. I think he doesn't give a shit, but there's a big difference there. I can't support lynching him.

So as far as people who did ping me ... The case against lunalee was interesting. I really don't like the scenario she outlines where Persians conspire on day 1 to lynch dunya, I don't think it's likely and it seems like big buddying. She kind of reminds me of my scum play in FWWM, possibly acting overly friendly as obfuscation. GTH, scum read right now, and that's the best I can go for.

[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

Hello suspect #1.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:53 pm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.

Hello suspect #2.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:58 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:56 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:53 pm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

I don't disagree.

Justify your sig vote since you spent the whole day saying you wouldn't do that and then did so because Collin did something suspicious.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:22 pm And Mac if you’d been here I would have joined you in pushing the thread in another direction. I regret that MP had to leave just when he did. I was trying to catch up and never fully engaged with him in real time, that could have lead to better results.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:40 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:58 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:56 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:53 pm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

Sorry it was Colin, not Scotty. Yes very bad look for Colin.

Agree. I also very much like your sloonei case (suspect #3).

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:22 pm BTW, that was a crazy turn of events earlier. I was around until the last half hour before the lynch, and didn't realize sig had any votes. Anyone care to explain what happened? @novaselinenever , @Marmot , @M Plus 7 , @Dom , @Golden

Going to be honest, here:

My vote for sig was explained ad nauseum. If you really missed it, I suggest looking harder.

My suggestion is that we stop talking about Wolbres role question since it’s against the rules and it’s only pushing him into potentially breaking them worse.

He got the answer he needed which was PM jay. He should do that and we should leave the discussion here.

Dom, no offence, but I’m not going to spend any time justifying a shitty snap decision and I’ll give you the same advice you gave Luna.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:12 pm ISO of Scotty, and his mentions of Epignosis.

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:58 am Golden’z Sure acting like an independent. Yoloing and supporting other people yoloing. No firm stances against people, only for them.

Yikesarooni. pinged by him rn. No longer drunk. Ready for action.

Anyway, ima vote for someone I haven’t talked about yet. Epi. All he’s got right now is “If”. My response?

Then

vote Epi aubergine

Light-hearted vote for Epignosis.

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:02 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:59 am which reads has he forced?

Are you asking because you aren’t following what I’m saying or just because picking a fight is interesting?

Which read do you think I mean?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:10 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:11 pmfrom a tone POV I'm not sure I actually believe she believes what she's saying about him.

MP said this about dunya and I find this interesting since it is virtually identical to the objection I just felt in my conversation with dunya.

So, the question is... to those that know dunya, is this our lack of knowledge of her? Dunya's questions *feel* hollow to me, is this me trying to project dunya onto sloonei or something?

Sloonei, actually, it's possible you are best placed to answer this. Interested in Choutas' view too.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:28 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:52 am Do you see me saying mp is bad or good?

do you see me saying i think you think mp is bad or good?

Interesting - I think we meant two different things here.

I meant that I had a solid townread when you were going at me as though I was painting him bad.
I think you meant you'd legitimately not made a read on him.

Interesting. Epignosis, he's your witness.

Broken quote where Scotty points out Golden's diction to Epignosis.




Null response to sig asking about his vote for Epignosis.




Request to TH to vote for Epignosis. No reason given.




Scotty is "unmoved" by Epignosis.




A legitimate concern voiced here.




Calls Dom out for defending sig.




Asks why Epignosis is hard to lynch, and offers a sincere lament at Epignosis survivability.




Pushes the Epignosis vote when asked by another MP7.




Addendum: My assumption was that Scotty is looking to push some folks into the spotlight for tomorrow's lynch that don't deserve it. But that might not be true. I find Scotty's Epignosis suspicion and growth thereof to be believable.

What I don't understand is Scotty's behavior post-lynch. A lot of self-righteousness for someone who doesn't know if he's actually right. That's what smells bad to me, and what made me look back through his Epignosis commentary.
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Scotty did nothing wrong. If anything pushing Epi is civvie because Epi is a tough nut and was intentionally playing goofy. Probably was even doing it to see who would lay into him for civ clues. You're bad.

BTW dom, if this post reflects your thoughts generally, I suggest you check my iso, because suspecting me doesn't logically fit with any of your other opinions here.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:26 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:18 pm private chat?

Yes.

i've just never heard of anyone referring to private messages as private chat b4

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:39 pm Dom, no offence, but I’m not going to spend any time justifying a shitty snap decision and I’ll give you the same advice you gave Luna.

I did. And I feel like you have some explaining to do. And you can't just say, "no".

Here you say that you'll vote for Epi or sig.
I missed this and it makes me feel better, but I still want an answer to this question:

Why did Colin's actions prompt you to vote sig? Did you not put the cart before the horse here?

I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:49 pm I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

The dumb thing for me, dom, is that I shouldn't have had sig on the table. I got a bit caught up in MP's dogpee enthusiasm and I shouldn't have. For me, the names on the table that I actually felt bad about today were Sloonei, LC and Jack with a side helping of Epi (but not an overly convinced one). So I don't even know why I added sig to the pile, it went against my own gut.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:53 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:49 pm I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

This post literally gave you the answer.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:55 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:53 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:49 pm I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

This post literally gave you the answer.

Then I'm not sure I understand.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:57 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:55 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:53 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:49 pm I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

This post literally gave you the answer.

Then I'm not sure I understand.

Clearly, but asking me to continually explain it won't help.

You said didn't I put the cart before the horse.

My answer is YES, because voting the HORSE would achieve nothing, but voting the CART would lynch the cart.

If you're looking for something better than that, you won't find it, because me decision to vote sig was stupid and not well thought through, so you aren't going to find any evidence of it being well thought through.

Marmot's analysis is suspect because he clearly isn't reading the posts he is referencing in any context. He says Scotty "called [me] out for depending sig" when anyone with knowledge of the thread would know I did nothing of the sort.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:00 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:57 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:55 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:53 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:49 pm I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

This post literally gave you the answer.

Then I'm not sure I understand.

Clearly, but asking me to continually explain it won't help.

You said didn't I put the cart before the horse.

My answer is YES, because voting the HORSE would achieve nothing, but voting the CART would lynch the cart.

If you're looking for something better than that, you won't find it, because me decision to vote sig was stupid and not well thought through, so you aren't going to find any evidence of it being well thought through.

I don't know why you're getting so testy. I'm trying to understand.

I'm looking to understand you here. To be clear, you voted for sig because Colin wasn't an option?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:04 am

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:00 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:57 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:55 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:53 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:49 pm I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

This post literally gave you the answer.

Then I'm not sure I understand.

Clearly, but asking me to continually explain it won't help.

You said didn't I put the cart before the horse.

My answer is YES, because voting the HORSE would achieve nothing, but voting the CART would lynch the cart.

If you're looking for something better than that, you won't find it, because me decision to vote sig was stupid and not well thought through, so you aren't going to find any evidence of it being well thought through.

I don't know why you're getting so testy. I'm trying to understand.

I'm looking to understand you here. To be clear, you voted for sig because Colin wasn't an option?

I didn't vote Colin because Colin wasn't an option, and Colin's post pushed me over the edge on choosing sig over Epi.

And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:07 am And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

My objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.

I will think on that. Thank you.

I dont like yellow [mention]MacDougall[/mention] ugall

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:20 am I dont like yellow @MacDougall ugall

Is that all you have to say ?