Re: Beelzebub The Benign D2
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:06 pm
Also I checked and the number is closer to like 20 if you remove all the places where he is quoting someone else and all the nested quote blocks and whatnot.
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I don't even think it's true that she's mentioned more than any other player in hk's iso. Did you actually check that?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:58 pmGo thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourselfUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:53 pmI still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.
I checked myself, you, gav, samu, bk, marmotUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:10 pmI don't even think it's true that she's mentioned more than any other player in hk's iso. Did you actually check that?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:58 pmGo thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourselfUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:53 pmI still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.
Didn’t @falcon45ca say before me only having 6 posts mentioning HK is bad saying having low amount of mentions scum indicative but now he is saying having high amount of mentions scum indicative.Urist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:05 pmPretty sure that means esooa is actually townfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:58 pmGo thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourselfUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:53 pmI still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.
well you fucked up because there are 38 for gavial and 37 for seanziefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:13 pmI checked myself, you, gav, samu, bk, marmotUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:10 pmI don't even think it's true that she's mentioned more than any other player in hk's iso. Did you actually check that?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:58 pmGo thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourselfUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:53 pmI still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.
I probably misspelt their namesUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:26 pmwell you fucked up because there are 38 for gavial and 37 for seanziefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:13 pmI checked myself, you, gav, samu, bk, marmotUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:10 pmI don't even think it's true that she's mentioned more than any other player in hk's iso. Did you actually check that?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:58 pmGo thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourselfUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:53 pmI still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.
the search is broken and doesn't work properly if you try to do it more than once without re-isoing the playerfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:28 pmI probably misspelt their namesUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:26 pmwell you fucked up because there are 38 for gavial and 37 for seanziefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:13 pmI checked myself, you, gav, samu, bk, marmotUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:10 pmI don't even think it's true that she's mentioned more than any other player in hk's iso. Did you actually check that?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:58 pmGo thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourselfUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:53 pmI still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.
Oh shit, well that makes sense. My bad.Urist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:30 pmthe search is broken and doesn't work properly if you try to do it more than once without re-isoing the playerfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:28 pmI probably misspelt their namesUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:26 pmwell you fucked up because there are 38 for gavial and 37 for seanziefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:13 pmI checked myself, you, gav, samu, bk, marmotUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:10 pmI don't even think it's true that she's mentioned more than any other player in hk's iso. Did you actually check that?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:58 pmGo thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourself
soooo about this thenfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:58 pmGo thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourselfUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:53 pmI still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.
Well even outside of name pop ups, their interactions just look wolfy to me. Have you looked at them? What do you think?Urist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:43 pmsoooo about this thenfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:58 pmGo thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourselfUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:53 pmI still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.
i just skimmed through it and nothing stands out. hk called esooa lock town for defending him but that doesn't mean much.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:53 pmWell even outside of name pop ups, their interactions just look wolfy to me. Have you looked at them? What do you think?Urist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:43 pmsoooo about this thenfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:58 pmGo thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourselfUrist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:53 pmI still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:53 pmIf she's a wolf she doesn't argue vehemently to not chop me. She also doesn't keep working this close to the end of the day and she doesn't draw attention to herself like she's been doing with the other pushes she's doing
Yeah, look at how HK tries to deflect away from being outed scum with Esooa. Her slot needs to be solved
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:11 pm I didn't realize I was subbing into a game with a mafia member already in the bag. Sweet. I'll just do things this way then:
Two off-topic posts in an exchange with falcon to start the game. I'm inclined to say it means nothing.Spoiler: show
Awkward initial interaction with esooa. HK has a direct question for Esooa RE: a thing she said, but has to soften with an empty comment about her avatar first. Two totally separate thoughts crammed up against each other.Spoiler: show
Spoiler: showhollowkatt asked for a broken image?
hollowkatt was gonna call Gavial town. For observing the possibility of scum theater. Idk. This might mean something. It might mean nothing.Spoiler: show
I am Alison, so hooray I don't need to read that half of the interaction. Hollowkatt is publicly disagreed with her, so there's that to be mindful of.
hollowkatt nitpicks some non-game chatter from Alison instead of diving right into the samu read. HK's read eventually comes out as "I think samu might be town", which is not the most resounding confidence you'll ever see. Is that because hollowkatt is uncomfortable talking about a teammate, or are is it just stilted because hk is coming from an informed position in general? I'll be keeping an eye on samu in here, I guess.Spoiler: show
Townie points for Urist. This is harsher shade than I would expect a teammate to toss around so early in the game.Spoiler: show
I feel I shuold note here that I have read nothing and am not looking at these posts in the larger context of the thread. But looking at this post in a vacuum: seanzie is town, falcon is mafia. Seanzie's response to a general gripe from hollowkatt looks very sincere, like he's trying to correct what he sees as a misconception. The line about falcon feels tacked on and timid.Spoiler: show
Light townie points for Gavial here. There's nothing here that can't possibly be a teammate interaction, but I feel his tone is genuinely inquisitive, and hk's response is wordy enough to look like a "real" answer, as opposed to a staged and obligatory response to a teammate.Spoiler: show
Generic "why" about a gavial scum read from Bo. Okay.Spoiler: show
This post does not need to exist. It is a barely-relevant observation made by falcon. Hollowkatt literally just rewords the comment. Why on earth does this exist?Spoiler: show
hollowkatt is engaging heavily with the gavial suspicion. Could be a good sign for Gavial. There's an outside chance this is cooperative theater with Bo, but I don't think so. I think it looks like a mafiakatt trying to get a civilian Bo to do the legwork on a civilian chop.Spoiler: show
I would have voted for hollowkatt based off of this post. If any post ever gave off the vibes of talking at one's feet and shrugging one's shoulders, it's this one. Bo is town off of this, and I'll take that to the bank. hollowkatt appears to have no idea how to respond to this case naturally.Spoiler: show
I am less sure what it says about Gavial now. The awkwardness of the response could be indicative of a Gavial/hollowkatt partnership, wherein HK regrets pushing so hard and getting an actual substantive case on their partner and now needs to find a way out of it. Or it could be that hollowkatt is trying to position themself in such a way that they can vote for Gavial if needed, but does not want to appear overly-eager in doing so. Gun to my head, I'm saying it's the latter.
Okay Gavial town. Falcon TBD, still. I could see a world where this is a teammate goading another into voting for a vulnerable townie. But... as I type that sentence, I'm not sure that ever actually happens. Maybe falcon town too. I still don't know.Spoiler: show
I'm not sure I understand what's happening here, but Urist is still town.Spoiler: show
I am about ready to lock Gavial in as town now too.Spoiler: show
Silly banter with TSP. Noted.Spoiler: show
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This can be the beginnings of a teammate interaction with Esooa.Spoiler: show
This does not feel like a teammate interaction with DaughterOfOmega. Hollowkatt's tone is very blunt, getting down to business and forcing a response out of DoOm. The way it's framed makes me think hollowkatt is hoping this can snowball into a suspicion.Spoiler: show
Okay yeah Doomtown.Spoiler: show
Extended exchanges with DoOm and Gavial that I'm not gonna waste time on because they are both town.
I'll call seanzie town too. This is a solid nitpick, and hollowkatt's response looks a bit uneasy.Spoiler: show
Falcon continues to be a big juicy Maybe.Spoiler: show
Does this post exist if Esooa and hollowkatt are partners? Idk. I'm gonna go ahead and remind myself that I jotted down a note that "this could be the beginnings of a teammate interaction with Esooa" a few posts ago, but then there was no follow-up to that, which makes me squint my eyes and/or furrow my brow.Spoiler: show
Marmot had (jokingly) self-voted a few minutes prior and HK responded as if they were obligated to vote for him in response. Then hollowkatt notices Esooa has self-voted and extends to her the good grace of asking for an explanation.Spoiler: show
Meh. This is stilted and not serious and there continues to be no reason Esooa cannot be hollowkatt's teammate.Spoiler: show
If we're following the rule that a member of the mafia team will always include at least one teammate in their lists, then I'm picking Esooa here. Marmot has already flipped. DaughterOfOmega and Gavial both look hella town in this ISO. Samu has looked vaguely-but-less-definitively town. Esooa has been iffy at best throughout.Spoiler: show
This could be another example of a mafioso trying to get a civilian do the the heavy lifting on justifying a suspicion. Or it could be a phony interaction with a teammate (falcon). I continue to DK.Spoiler: show
Yuck. I might just believe this post.Spoiler: show
These three posts in quick succession make me feel good about Bo. These are all relatively small moments, and I feel like the only way hollowkatt/bo are teammates is if they felt like they needed to interact more in the thread, so HK just decided to spam responses to Bo. I don't think that's what's happening. Particularly because it's not as if these two haven't interacted already. Bo's name hasn't been as present as others, but I remember it coming up a bit fairly early on. And also, these interactions do not have a clear direction. I think when teammates interact, they tend to do so with purpose. These are all posts where HK is just sort of tapping Bo on the shoulder. The last one especially feels like a non-teammate response: If Teammate A asks why a player is the top wagon, I don't think Teammate B response with such a nothing, unserious response. I think hollowkatt would be more likely to give a more substantive response, or just not respond at all.Spoiler: show
If I haven't already said this, Seanzie is lock town. Esooa can still be mafia.Spoiler: show
Maybe this could finally be indicative of a town falcon. Hollowkatt appears to be genuinely opening the door to voting for Falcon if this seanzie thing falters.Spoiler: show
I'll call Bo town for this
Hm. Samu town, maybe. Do teammates disagree like this about wagons so close to the deadline? I don't think so. And this is the first time I've seen Long Con get any sort of mention in HK's ISO. So there's that.Spoiler: show
Yeah Samu town. LC maybe mafia.Spoiler: show
Nothing that happens after this point changes my feelings about anyone.
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tl;dr - Esooa and Long Con potential suspects.
Falcon gets a lot of shrugs, but with a gun to my head I would lean town.
Seanzie, urist, samu, Bo, Gavial, DaughterOfOmega are all firm town reads from this. Maybe someone else that I'm for.
And that leaves TSP as the only player I haven't named yet!
Seanzie
Gavial
DaughterOfOmega
Urist
Samu
BoKnows
Falcon
TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
Esooa
Let's vote your top scum pick Esooa instead
wdym? he's done more in this game than 1/2 the lobby
I recommend addressing your concerns directly.
and?
I have no questions yetSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:49 pmand?
I have no analysis on Esooa. I have analysis on hollowkatt on esooa.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:50 pm I think your analysis on Esooa is wrong and I don’t even think that that strongly
wolfy pedantrySloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:54 pmI have no analysis on Esooa. I have analysis on hollowkatt on esooa.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:50 pm I think your analysis on Esooa is wrong and I don’t even think that that strongly
I just cleared 6 or 7 players in my first real post of the game.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:33 pmwolfy pedantrySloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:54 pmI have no analysis on Esooa. I have analysis on hollowkatt on esooa.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:50 pm I think your analysis on Esooa is wrong and I don’t even think that that strongly
I thought the way hollowkatt interacted with DaughtetOfOmega looked like a wolf who know they were talking to a civilian who was off the mark. There’s a bit of righteousness in the way HK talks to DoOm, and it that gives me the sense that HK was hoping the exchange could be used as ammunition for a vote if needed down the line.Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:23 pm I think slooneis big post is agreeable enough. The biggest thing I would look at in it is that he may be giving doom too much credit. The interaction he points out is good, but he afterwards has more confidence than I would expect just from that, saying, "DaughterOfOmega and Gavial both look hella town in this ISO."
seanzie, urist, and bk are town though
outside of that I'm shrug
How serious is this post?DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:49 pm Sloonei trying too hard for me, I can't handle someone who puts in effort nowadays
I haven't tried in so longSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:56 pmHow serious is this post?DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:49 pm Sloonei trying too hard for me, I can't handle someone who puts in effort nowadays
One wolf in each list sounds pretty good to me.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:18 amThinking not Doom based on HK isohollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:34 pmSure, there's a wolf on my wagon.Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:28 pmOkey, u want to share something else?
I also think esooa/gavial/marmot/falcon/samu aren't wolves.
leaning town on DoO. Dunno on Alison/Bo/TSP/Urist/LC
also, who tf is JessieKruger?
Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?