Re: Easter Mafia [DAY 3]
Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 2:24 am
Me too, want to report yourself in for being bad?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:23 amYes lapluie I’m ok 7 appreciate it. Im looking for scum
Me too, want to report yourself in for being bad?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:23 amYes lapluie I’m ok 7 appreciate it. Im looking for scum
This for example.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:36 pm I don’t know about Jay you guys. Would he make a legacy post that long, for the second time in the game, if he were scum? My instinct and knowledge of him as a player tells me he’d put the effort to try to frame somebody else instead or something.
I'm innocent I pinky promiseJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:20 am I have given lapluie a pass to sell my Gladys Campbell claim, which I will just blow now. I did have civilian feelings earlier, but I cannot remember why off-hand and she demands reassessment.
That’s a big can’t do from me my friend but I’ll find em
For some reason I believe you. I’ll still need to look things over though.lapluie wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:25 amI'm innocent I pinky promiseJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:20 am I have given lapluie a pass to sell my Gladys Campbell claim, which I will just blow now. I did have civilian feelings earlier, but I cannot remember why off-hand and she demands reassessment.
Have you played fire emblem ? I was there but not really do you recallJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:26 amFor some reason I believe you. I’ll still need to look things over though.lapluie wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:25 amI'm innocent I pinky promiseJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:20 am I have given lapluie a pass to sell my Gladys Campbell claim, which I will just blow now. I did have civilian feelings earlier, but I cannot remember why off-hand and she demands reassessment.
Phone Mafia sucks.
OK let me know when u do, I got the detective gear thxColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:26 amThat’s a big can’t do from me my friend but I’ll find em
Hmm okJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:24 amThis for example.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:36 pm I don’t know about Jay you guys. Would he make a legacy post that long, for the second time in the game, if he were scum? My instinct and knowledge of him as a player tells me he’d put the effort to try to frame somebody else instead or something.
You’ve expressed unease about me given the way I play. That’s fine. Considering that though, I struggle to understand why my legacy posts, which were inspirational in nature and did not contain actual reads, would be sufficient to alleviate the tinfoil you otherwise tend to project about me. Within that framework this seems a tenuous defense of me.
I understand what you are saying, and I will consider it. Your assertions about my likely behavior in a mafia mindset are probably close to accurate, for what it’s worth. I cram some fake b/s hunting in there instead of literally saying that I cannot properly hunt given the circumstances.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:30 amHmm okJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:24 amThis for example.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:36 pm I don’t know about Jay you guys. Would he make a legacy post that long, for the second time in the game, if he were scum? My instinct and knowledge of him as a player tells me he’d put the effort to try to frame somebody else instead or something.
You’ve expressed unease about me given the way I play. That’s fine. Considering that though, I struggle to understand why my legacy posts, which were inspirational in nature and did not contain actual reads, would be sufficient to alleviate the tinfoil you otherwise tend to project about me. Within that framework this seems a tenuous defense of me.
I guess just because it seems like, knowing you, you’ve said before that scum need to just be able to survive the noose right no matter what that’s their most important goal so I think with that in mind if you were scum you would be actively trying to do that in a different way like saying oh lynch this person instead here’s a big fucking case you know. Instead of being like ... yall if my ass gets murdered here are your instrucfions before leaving earth. I bet that doesnt make sense but thats the thinking. I mean you can do WIFOM but idk get that shit outta here
I'm not as suspicious of Dizzy anymore. He pointed out something I misinterpreted. Which is ironic because I blasted him for misrepresenting me in that same post. Thinking about pitching myself into a volcano come endgame at this point.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 1:53 amI wanted Quin to make a case. Quin is a flux read. His investment can be more visible if he is driven to push his suspicion. So I told him that I’m open to a case if he can provide one.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:12 pmCount for what? I mean, I guess. It'd be just nice if Jay had said more than "I'm open."ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:10 pm I’m going to reply to you in greater detail when I can, but re: suspecting Dizzy. Doesn’t the quite right above where he says he’s tinfoiling count? This is in reference to the 5th quote you have.
As it is, I am less suspicious of Quin than I was yesterday and at least a little more suspicious of Dizzy (though my reasons differ from Quin’s).
You’re a highly capable player and should allow yourself to engage the game however you think is best. When your mind changes, adapt as necessary and continue to engage. You’re better than the guy who falls into perpetual detachment — build on the Legacy of Quin, he who has climbed the winner’s ladder faster than nearly any other user on the site since the start of 2017 (or so).Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:36 amI'm not as suspicious of Dizzy anymore. He pointed out something I misinterpreted. Which is ironic because I blasted him for misrepresenting me in that same post. Thinking about pitching myself into a volcano come endgame at this point.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 1:53 amI wanted Quin to make a case. Quin is a flux read. His investment can be more visible if he is driven to push his suspicion. So I told him that I’m open to a case if he can provide one.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:12 pmCount for what? I mean, I guess. It'd be just nice if Jay had said more than "I'm open."ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:10 pm I’m going to reply to you in greater detail when I can, but re: suspecting Dizzy. Doesn’t the quite right above where he says he’s tinfoiling count? This is in reference to the 5th quote you have.
As it is, I am less suspicious of Quin than I was yesterday and at least a little more suspicious of Dizzy (though my reasons differ from Quin’s).
i can't really get hold of the energy to delve deep into a game as i used to in the last few games. i'd like to, obviously. i'm in a slump, activity wise.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:41 amYou’re a highly capable player and should allow yourself to engage the game however you think is best. When your mind changes, adapt as necessary and continue to engage. You’re better than the guy who falls into perpetual detachment — build on the Legacy of Quin, he who has climbed the winner’s ladder faster than nearly any other user on the site since the start of 2017 (or so).Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:36 amI'm not as suspicious of Dizzy anymore. He pointed out something I misinterpreted. Which is ironic because I blasted him for misrepresenting me in that same post. Thinking about pitching myself into a volcano come endgame at this point.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 1:53 amI wanted Quin to make a case. Quin is a flux read. His investment can be more visible if he is driven to push his suspicion. So I told him that I’m open to a case if he can provide one.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:12 pmCount for what? I mean, I guess. It'd be just nice if Jay had said more than "I'm open."ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:10 pm I’m going to reply to you in greater detail when I can, but re: suspecting Dizzy. Doesn’t the quite right above where he says he’s tinfoiling count? This is in reference to the 5th quote you have.
As it is, I am less suspicious of Quin than I was yesterday and at least a little more suspicious of Dizzy (though my reasons differ from Quin’s).
actually a fair point. I think Jay's response to MP's and my suspicion/intent to lynch him makes him look more town atm, I'm just... very afraid that he could easily fake that classic jay supatown behavior. Like I said earlier I'm kind of in paranoid-tinfoily mode and just won't feel right until I know his alignment for sure, but I will probably end up on a more reasonable candidate (eloh or marmot) by eod.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:30 amHmm okJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:24 amThis for example.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:36 pm I don’t know about Jay you guys. Would he make a legacy post that long, for the second time in the game, if he were scum? My instinct and knowledge of him as a player tells me he’d put the effort to try to frame somebody else instead or something.
You’ve expressed unease about me given the way I play. That’s fine. Considering that though, I struggle to understand why my legacy posts, which were inspirational in nature and did not contain actual reads, would be sufficient to alleviate the tinfoil you otherwise tend to project about me. Within that framework this seems a tenuous defense of me.
I guess just because it seems like, knowing you, you’ve said before that scum need to just be able to survive the noose right no matter what that’s their most important goal so I think with that in mind if you were scum you would be actively trying to do that in a different way like saying oh lynch this person instead here’s a big fucking case you know. Instead of being like ... yall if my ass gets murdered here are your instrucfions before leaving earth. I bet that doesnt make sense but thats the thinking. I mean you can do WIFOM but idk get that shit outta here
can you explain this a bit further? I've felt kind of lost re: the whole "if I'm gladys campbell" thing, I don't really get why people have been saying that and what exactly it means. like, is it supposed to be a role claim? what is the motive for someone who is not gladys to say that idgiJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:31 am A separate concern about Dizzy:
Two Gladys Campbell claims that to me look too convenient. Floyd on N1 when that slot was vacant, and some unnamed non-dentist on N2. A mafioso who is familiar with power role cover will want to play along, and I am concerned Dizzy may be that person.
......Ugh but what if that's exactly what he wants to happen we'll just lynch the easy targets and he skates on by
i guess it's a way of saying you trust someone very highly, and also i guess multiple people saying it provide cover for the real gladys but just like... why and how did this start how did it become a thing?!? was this a thing in another game?nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 3:58 amcan you explain this a bit further? I've felt kind of lost re: the whole "if I'm gladys campbell" thing, I don't really get why people have been saying that and what exactly it means. like, is it supposed to be a role claim? what is the motive for someone who is not gladys to say that idgiJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:31 am A separate concern about Dizzy:
Two Gladys Campbell claims that to me look too convenient. Floyd on N1 when that slot was vacant, and some unnamed non-dentist on N2. A mafioso who is familiar with power role cover will want to play along, and I am concerned Dizzy may be that person.
and i'm finally done and never have to see them again (sort of) (at least i don't have to read them for data analysis anymore) (best day of my life)
She's been consistent in her voting for me without explanation or announcement in this game (and voting without announcement in general). I think much like I am with Sloonei, lapluie knows me better than she knows most everyone else and wants to keep a short leash on me. Or something. Consistency is good, because it tells me there's at least something on her mind, though what that is I couldn't say.
Or not.lapluie wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:41 pmI see.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:33 pm It was an attempt to goad you into the thread, so I would say it is semi-serious. It is slightly more serious because of your reply to me earlier
I have no reads tbh I'm just stalling
Ties in pretty well with what I said originally.
No issues with this.
I don't know if 3J responded to this but it's important.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:26 pmIdk I'm just saying I have votes because I'm voting an inactive player but Scotty is also voting for an inactive player (didn't give reason..maybe reason same), so do I look more bad than Scotty or.
These last two posts I like very much, and I don't like their addressees in a vacuum.lapluie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:24 amHmmmm true....but.... why do you think you *needed* to vote for him anyway even if he's already in a lynch lead? You seemed hesitant & worried for him to be bad but he was already gonna die anywayMarmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:02 amI hopped on Choutas because I saw nothing town-indicative from him, and my vote on lapluie wasn't doing much.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:45 pm First instinct is to ask whoever jumped Choutas wagon super late, why?
Eye me all you want.But I don't see why my vote would be suspicious. Choutas was likely lynched whether I switched or not.
No problems putting her money where her mouth is right off the bat of the day. At the time she could have expected me to follow up which wouldn't have been good for Marmot as a starting point. So they're probably not w/w.lapluie wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 1:21 amYes I'll make the first contribution to my voteQuin wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 1:11 amshould we actually lynch marmot today because im feeling itlapluie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:24 amHmmmm true....but.... why do you think you *needed* to vote for him anyway even if he's already in a lynch lead? You seemed hesitant & worried for him to be bad but he was already gonna die anywayMarmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:02 amI hopped on Choutas because I saw nothing town-indicative from him, and my vote on lapluie wasn't doing much.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:45 pm First instinct is to ask whoever jumped Choutas wagon super late, why?
Eye me all you want.But I don't see why my vote would be suspicious. Choutas was likely lynched whether I switched or not.
I don't really know where she's going with this. But I know lapluie would have no problem bussing a teammate.lapluie wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 9:11 pm Theres nothing to hide in day 1 other than me voting for an inactive.
Im not pointing fingers because I have no teammates, if you've seen me as a mafia in another game with quin & nutella who were also mafia youd know I definitely tried to buss out my teammate.
but thanks for sharing your opinions
This seems willfully ignorant to me. I can have multiple scum-reads. Eeeeh.
Eloh just did this in U-Pick as bad. Is she going to do this as bad in two games at once? That seems like suicide to me.
I've talked about this. It's convenient that she was in the thread right at this time and not for the 9 hours beforehand. At face value it looks like she wanted a jumping-in point. It's not my favourite thing, but not damning. Civilians struggle to get involved too.
I struggle to see how openly abstaining from making a choice would be a decent scum strategy in a lynch like yesterday. It's not the same thing as an outlier vote. Those votes are made to lynch that person.
Oh wow. Burn this concern please. I'm used to doing it, and I can explain my targets post game if you want to. Also, if you're able to use the NKs as a defense for youself, extend it to me. Also also, just read me as town, it's rather simple. : p This concern of yours logically falls apart though, I don't know why it exists.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:31 am A separate concern about Dizzy:
Two Gladys Campbell claims that to me look too convenient. Floyd on N1 when that slot was vacant, and some unnamed non-dentist on N2. A mafioso who is familiar with power role cover will want to play along, and I am concerned Dizzy may be that person.
Actually, can't let this go. Cause you're effectively saying "if Dizzy got a mafia role card, they are mafia." Do you see it? Not that important, but it made my brain cry a bit.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 7:22 amOh wow. Burn this concern please. I'm used to doing it, and I can explain my targets post game if you want to. Also, if you're able to use the NKs as a defense for youself, extend it to me. Also also, just read me as town, it's rather simple. : p This concern of yours logically falls apart though, I don't know why it exists.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:31 am A separate concern about Dizzy:
Two Gladys Campbell claims that to me look too convenient. Floyd on N1 when that slot was vacant, and some unnamed non-dentist on N2. A mafioso who is familiar with power role cover will want to play along, and I am concerned Dizzy may be that person.
I want to hear you talk about Nut, if you haven't already.
Wait since when was claiming legal? I thought it was forbidden?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:31 am A separate concern about Dizzy:
Two Gladys Campbell claims that to me look too convenient. Floyd on N1 when that slot was vacant, and some unnamed non-dentist on N2. A mafioso who is familiar with power role cover will want to play along, and I am concerned Dizzy may be that person.
But that was a completely closed set up where she chose a gambit because it was basically Mafia U Gambit, so I don’t see a distinctive difference. She still had time constraints and was behind in both games (and said she felt defeated and behind in our scum chat, since I can talk about that now). I don’t think it’s alignment indicative, but I also don’t see the same difference here in games as you doColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:24 pm I felt very solid on Eloh for a lynch today but the more I think about it, there’s a big key difference between her U-Pick scumming and here. She tried a gambit there to get away from the lynch and here she just ... hasn’t tried anything.
Hmmm.
No, but I share sentiments on them too.
There had been a typo in the rules, but it was corrected. Claims are legal.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 11:10 amWait since when was claiming legal? I thought it was forbidden?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:31 am A separate concern about Dizzy:
Two Gladys Campbell claims that to me look too convenient. Floyd on N1 when that slot was vacant, and some unnamed non-dentist on N2. A mafioso who is familiar with power role cover will want to play along, and I am concerned Dizzy may be that person.
You happen to be driving through any tunnels on your way to MA?
Huh? I have no theory there. Why would you think thT? I read lap as good right nowDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 10:13 pm Scotty, I'm interested to hear your lapluie/Colin theory now. I took a look at lapluie's FE game. : p
I mean, GTH I'd say she's town here, but her tone was not all that markably different from what I remember her town game to be.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 11:31 amThere had been a typo in the rules, but it was corrected. Claims are legal.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 11:10 amWait since when was claiming legal? I thought it was forbidden?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:31 am A separate concern about Dizzy:
Two Gladys Campbell claims that to me look too convenient. Floyd on N1 when that slot was vacant, and some unnamed non-dentist on N2. A mafioso who is familiar with power role cover will want to play along, and I am concerned Dizzy may be that person.
I’ll let you know when iColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 11:31 amYou happen to be driving through any tunnels on your way to MA?
It doesn’t logically fall apart. I am saying that if one of the people claiming Gladys Campbell checks is doing so dishonestly (neither for truth nor for cover), independent of other thread data, then you have that look. I don’t understand why you would say you checked a non-dentist without saying who.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 7:22 amOh wow. Burn this concern please. I'm used to doing it, and I can explain my targets post game if you want to. Also, if you're able to use the NKs as a defense for youself, extend it to me. Also also, just read me as town, it's rather simple. : p This concern of yours logically falls apart though, I don't know why it exists.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:31 am A separate concern about Dizzy:
Two Gladys Campbell claims that to me look too convenient. Floyd on N1 when that slot was vacant, and some unnamed non-dentist on N2. A mafioso who is familiar with power role cover will want to play along, and I am concerned Dizzy may be that person.
I want to hear you talk about Nut, if you haven't already.
I think generally scum kills talkers or else people that contribute more to the tread. Or else people that most people collectively revere as town.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 10:26 pm I don't know the NK meta on this site all that well, and while it does seem a bit different to what I'm used to (which is basically the most consensus town is killed), both of the kills has been surprising to me and I have a hard time not taking it into account. Do people here think scum would not care about trying to hit power town, or do they think scum is not paying attention enough in their choices. I don't mean this to be a be all and end all in finding scum, I just find myself thinking about this, and I haven't seen it be discussed much. And this is someone normally not bothered by NKA.
Followed by his vote. But is it just that line that sells you? This seems too easy. I just want to know your position.Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 4:53 pmI have no objection to swinging at this pitch today.![]()
It’s definitely a fault rationale that’s vague. I believe he believes what he is thinking. Without his conviction I ain’t voting you, and even still now, I’m HaitianJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:06 am I think MP looks authentic in his suspicion of me. I understand it even if it’s wrong. I believe MP is judging me from a perspective of how he plays, which despite having many similarities to my game is not the same. I am quite certain that MP has a greater fondness and propensity for bussing than I do. I believe that he would be willing to bus Choutas on Day 1 with fervor if he felt it appropriate. I would never feel it appropriate and thus wouldn’t do it. I think it’s poor strategy, and it’s the opposite of my style. I think of the 12-15ish games I’ve won as a mafioso, only two of them have ended with me as the lone survivor. My teams win in tact, and that is due in part to my attention to the numbers game.
I think nutella looks fine in her participation, particularly in her refusal to give me a break in response to my defenses.
I am less thrilled with Scotty, who provided rationale that I don’t understand — it’s not the content of MP’s case that sold him, but how MP said it. That’s meaningless in this game in the absence of an objective information-driven certainty which cannot exist with these roles. To believe MP is genuine is one thing. To believe he is RIGHT without regard for the content of the case is something else.
Separately, I think there’s a good chance someone defending me is a mafioso engaging in TMI. I have been uneasy with Colin in this regard, as he has been giving me a very broad defense which accepts my behavior on premises that I think would have made him uncomfortable in recent games wherein he was a civilian.