The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:38 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:17 pm RE: Long Con looking bad on purpose, I can buy the philosophy in principle as LC is an old schooler who came up in the days where survival was top priority. It’s believable for him to have an impulse to shake off town reads. I am weighing this as I consider his alignment in this game right now.

However, I have two concerns that are not (and frankly cannot) be covered by this point:
1) WIFOM. Just as town LC could be inclined to deter town reads, I could also see scum LC pulling this as a stunt to confuse or shake suspicion. I must also acknowledge that announcing this plan in this way kind of negates it a little, as we now must either believe him or doubt him. If we believe him then he is an even stronger town read than before, so what was the point?
2) None of the points he raised are related to my suspicion. There are two main points I have against him. The first is that he and Rej did not look great in their interactions with one another. The second is his vote for me, which he seems to be maintaining even after revealing his self-destruct plan.

He remains a suspect, but I an considering this newest development as I weigh my vote.

Yeah, WIFOM is a possibility. Can't ever deny that. Yes, that "plan" is negated now, I don't want to be the lynch leader and that's how I chose to approach it.

I have discussed Rej tonight. I think you are bad, so my vote is on you. I think it more today than yesterday.

Is it still just because I was buddying you?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:41 pm Hot potato Dunya?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:41 pm Hot potato Dunya?

I don't suspect dunya.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:45 pm Nanook posted some wagonomics thing about Sloonei and Colin I meant to follow up on regarding vote timing. Imma go find that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:38 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:17 pm RE: Long Con looking bad on purpose, I can buy the philosophy in principle as LC is an old schooler who came up in the days where survival was top priority. It’s believable for him to have an impulse to shake off town reads. I am weighing this as I consider his alignment in this game right now.

However, I have two concerns that are not (and frankly cannot) be covered by this point:
1) WIFOM. Just as town LC could be inclined to deter town reads, I could also see scum LC pulling this as a stunt to confuse or shake suspicion. I must also acknowledge that announcing this plan in this way kind of negates it a little, as we now must either believe him or doubt him. If we believe him then he is an even stronger town read than before, so what was the point?
2) None of the points he raised are related to my suspicion. There are two main points I have against him. The first is that he and Rej did not look great in their interactions with one another. The second is his vote for me, which he seems to be maintaining even after revealing his self-destruct plan.

He remains a suspect, but I an considering this newest development as I weigh my vote.

Yeah, WIFOM is a possibility. Can't ever deny that. Yes, that "plan" is negated now, I don't want to be the lynch leader and that's how I chose to approach it.

I have discussed Rej tonight. I think you are bad, so my vote is on you. I think it more today than yesterday.

Is it still just because I was buddying you?

No. NANOOK's post about you made sense to me - "It's also notable that rej didn't vote on either of sloonei or Colin, which would've given him a chance to survive. // All told I think this points towards sloonei being scum--maybe Colin with his meaningless speedchuck vote, but I tend to think sloonei's votes look worse, coupled with rej not voting there."

After that I felt bad about you enough to realize I have already decided you're bad and so now I see how and why baddie Sloonei would act like you... it's not rock-solid by any means. I just believe it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:14 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:11 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:09 pmDude!

I forgot the green text I guess?

Well I guess. More.... maybe you should keep an open window and type up some consecutive thoughts without pressing Submit so often?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:02 pm At the buzzer, votes are

Colin 5 - Jack, Boo, Sloonei, Tony, Nanook
Rej 5 - DDL, Jack, Sig, Dunya, Speed
Sloonei 5 - LC, Creature, Nanook, Sig, Nutella
Tony 6 - Rej, Dunya, Sloonei, Speed, Dunya, DDL

And Colin votes Rej. He chose to take Rej from 33% chance to lynch to 100% chance to lynch and himself and Sloonei from 33% to 0%.

If Colin is a wolf, the only reason he votes Rej is because Sloonei is also a wolf. Otherwise, he’d lynch good townie Sloonei over himself and good role partner Rej. A bus on Rej earns him no cred.

So under the idea that Rej is probably teamed with Sloonei and/or Colin and under the idea that Colin can only be a wolf if Colin and Sloonei are both wolves, Sloonei should go first.

If Sloonei flips wolf, we get a wolf and we reevaluate Colin with the knowledge that everything Sloonei said cane from a wolf. If Sloonei flips town, we know all his reads were real and we confirm mislynch bait Colin.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:26 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:25 pm Sloonei, are u saying Colin was the 6th vote on rej?

I wasn't around for end of day

Yes. Tony had 6, colin, rej, and i had 5. Colin switched one of his votes to rej.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:36 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:04 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:00 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:57 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:57 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:47 pm Only thing that turns me on more than replying to shitposting is discussing politics, but we don't want that here

We have a new politics channel in TS discord, feel free to join.

Lean more right or left?

Left.

With some libertarians.

Weird combination, I know.

Oh well, gonna be hard

Somewhat of a libertarian, somewhat of a conservative

I was a libertarian briefly until Juliets said I wasn’t allowed to be.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:10 pm Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:10 pm Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:10 pm Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:10 pm Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

Chug it then vote for LC.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:10 pm Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

Yes, but you didn’t read any of my posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:16 pm What if Colin and I are both town?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:37 pm My gut tells me to stick with LC. I’m revisiting Colin in my mind, but the end of Day 2 is keeping me from committing a vote to him. Creature and boo would be the other names on my shortlist. Creature’s recent flood of content and non-content alike does little for me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:16 pm What if Colin and I are both town?

Then Rej fucked up. Why wouldn’t he self preserve?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:37 pm My gut tells me to stick with LC. I’m revisiting Colin in my mind, but the end of Day 2 is keeping me from committing a vote to him. Creature and boo would be the other names on my shortlist. Creature’s recent flood of content and non-content alike does little for me.

Why Boo?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:20 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:20 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Let’s not

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:29 pm Idunno being purposefully scummy to shake up the game seems like something town con would do

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:29 pm Idunno being purposefully scummy to shake up the game seems like something town con would do

I wasn't really trying to "shake up the game".

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:39 pm Too many townreads on me too early. Best to shake them off a bit, that's why I was "blurry" on Day 2. I stepped back from the game a bit and made some intentionally suspicious posts. Lemme go find them.

Actually before I get to them, Sloonei brought up this post:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:50 pmThis analysis is agreeable to me. I could switch to Drago.

... looking to pin me to a situation where I said "Rej or Drago maybe" before, but went with Drago. 1. I never switched to Drago, I kept my vote on Dom. 2. Dom and Drago were the tied voteleaders at five apiece at that point, while I think Rej just had two. My point is, it wasn't really a Rej-or-Drago situation by then. Less than ten minutes left in the lynch, Rej wasn't a viable option. I spoke about Drago (and not Rej) at that point for that reason.

Anyways, back to where I was like "f this town-read crap, I need to muddy myself.

Let's start with this one (that I haven't seen Sloonei reference):

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:33 pmLC remains a firm town read. Please state your case if you disagree.

For what?

This is when my radar started pinging a lot, about Sloonei buddying me. So I voted for him, and tried to be a little scummy with my second vote:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:17 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:33 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm

Why?

It's provocative. It gets the people going.

LC remains a firm town read. Please state your case if you disagree.

For what?

I liked the tone of the way you handled the Dom suspicion yesterday. You stated the case, but indicated it was incomplete and not fully satisfying. It was enough for a vote, but you still appeared to be actively developing reads.

I don't like it. I think you're buddying me. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I'll put the second vote on Zemmi. I don't mind using the second lynch to cut an inactive. [VOTE: Zemmi] aubergine

... going for an inactive felt like something that should get a rise out of some players. It didn't really, as I recall. So...

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:27 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:03 am I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

Even scummier! Where did my boo vote come from?? Had I ever talked about boo before? Come on, people.

But still, these unwelcome strong town reads....

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:28 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:26 am i like how LC contended sloonei's town read of him. it could be ballsy wifom, but i like it.

It's a classic LC move.

I try to play it off. dunya didn't even bite. If she had, I probably would have followed up with some (truthful) thing about how I make the buddying accusation when I'm bad sometimes as well.

Actually, yeah, here we go, Colin DID question my crappy votes a little! I'll spoiler it because I want to include the gif that I really like:

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:15 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:27 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:03 am I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

Didn’t you say earlier you were fine voting Zemmi for the same reason as Boo?

What, you want me to do your research for you?

Like, is that what passes for an acceptable answer these days??

Then comes another one:

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:47 pm I'll sheep nutella's vote on Tony, since she's widely townread. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine (<unvote>) BOO

Like, COME ON. Who's voting for me right now? Are you even playing this game, that you would vote for me and not even bring ANY of this crap up?

That's pretty much it for that. Do with it what you will, this is my honest play yesterday. You wanna vote me for not voting Rej, fine. Shame on you for not finding ANY of that other stuff suspicious.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:02 pm At the buzzer, votes are

Colin 5 - Jack, Boo, Sloonei, Tony, Nanook
Rej 5 - DDL, Jack, Sig, Dunya, Speed
Sloonei 5 - LC, Creature, Nanook, Sig, Nutella
Tony 6 - Rej, Dunya, Sloonei, Speed, Dunya, DDL

And Colin votes Rej. He chose to take Rej from 33% chance to lynch to 100% chance to lynch and himself and Sloonei from 33% to 0%.

If Colin is a wolf, the only reason he votes Rej is because Sloonei is also a wolf. Otherwise, he’d lynch good townie Sloonei over himself and good role partner Rej. A bus on Rej earns him no cred.

So under the idea that Rej is probably teamed with Sloonei and/or Colin and under the idea that Colin can only be a wolf if Colin and Sloonei are both wolves, Sloonei should go first.

If Sloonei flips wolf, we get a wolf and we reevaluate Colin with the knowledge that everything Sloonei said cane from a wolf. If Sloonei flips town, we know all his reads were real and we confirm mislynch bait Colin.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

boo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:39 pm Too many townreads on me too early. Best to shake them off a bit, that's why I was "blurry" on Day 2. I stepped back from the game a bit and made some intentionally suspicious posts. Lemme go find them.

Actually before I get to them, Sloonei brought up this post:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:50 pmThis analysis is agreeable to me. I could switch to Drago.

... looking to pin me to a situation where I said "Rej or Drago maybe" before, but went with Drago. 1. I never switched to Drago, I kept my vote on Dom. 2. Dom and Drago were the tied voteleaders at five apiece at that point, while I think Rej just had two. My point is, it wasn't really a Rej-or-Drago situation by then. Less than ten minutes left in the lynch, Rej wasn't a viable option. I spoke about Drago (and not Rej) at that point for that reason.

Anyways, back to where I was like "f this town-read crap, I need to muddy myself.

Let's start with this one (that I haven't seen Sloonei reference):

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:33 pmLC remains a firm town read. Please state your case if you disagree.

For what?

This is when my radar started pinging a lot, about Sloonei buddying me. So I voted for him, and tried to be a little scummy with my second vote:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:17 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:33 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:32 pm

It's provocative. It gets the people going.

LC remains a firm town read. Please state your case if you disagree.

For what?

I liked the tone of the way you handled the Dom suspicion yesterday. You stated the case, but indicated it was incomplete and not fully satisfying. It was enough for a vote, but you still appeared to be actively developing reads.

I don't like it. I think you're buddying me. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I'll put the second vote on Zemmi. I don't mind using the second lynch to cut an inactive. [VOTE: Zemmi] aubergine

... going for an inactive felt like something that should get a rise out of some players. It didn't really, as I recall. So...

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:27 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:03 am I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

Even scummier! Where did my boo vote come from?? Had I ever talked about boo before? Come on, people.

But still, these unwelcome strong town reads....

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:28 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:26 am i like how LC contended sloonei's town read of him. it could be ballsy wifom, but i like it.

It's a classic LC move.

I try to play it off. dunya didn't even bite. If she had, I probably would have followed up with some (truthful) thing about how I make the buddying accusation when I'm bad sometimes as well.

Actually, yeah, here we go, Colin DID question my crappy votes a little! I'll spoiler it because I want to include the gif that I really like:

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:15 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:27 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:03 am I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

Didn’t you say earlier you were fine voting Zemmi for the same reason as Boo?

What, you want me to do your research for you?

Like, is that what passes for an acceptable answer these days??

Then comes another one:

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:47 pm I'll sheep nutella's vote on Tony, since she's widely townread. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine (<unvote>) BOO

Like, COME ON. Who's voting for me right now? Are you even playing this game, that you would vote for me and not even bring ANY of this crap up?

That's pretty much it for that. Do with it what you will, this is my honest play yesterday. You wanna vote me for not voting Rej, fine. Shame on you for not finding ANY of that other stuff suspicious.

Pretty sure I remember trying to get you lynched D2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

Wait you actually believe in a case against me? I thought you were just dicking around.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

What if I told you that we ARE wavering off sloonei?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

Wait you actually believe in a case against me? I thought you were just dicking around.

I mean I think I've been pretty clear that there are two acceptable wagons today and you're one of them, lol

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:47 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 pm Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

Wait you actually believe in a case against me? I thought you were just dicking around.

I mean I think I've been pretty clear that there are two acceptable wagons today and you're one of them, lol

Okay so why me instead of colin?