The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:52 pm**

I honestly still kind of think it's Mac, but I'm a bit peeved that 112 has not made any effort from my perspective to actually figure out where I'm coming from this game at all. It's tilting.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:52 pm**

At least Nanook and Mac talked to me.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:53 pm**

This has been a really frustrating game.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:55 pm**

I feel like my play has been mischaracterized.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:58 pm**

I was so desperate for someone to work with me this game that I gladly accepted Sloonei whiteknighting me.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:00 pm**

I'm at least going to try to pull together what I can here about Mac since no one bothered to look at his interactions for some reason even after I made all these posts. I honestly couldn't feel any more dejected than I do at this moment.

I need you, TSP.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:02 pm**

I’ve tried to work with you quite a bit this game I think, so like...idk it seems like kind of a disingenuous complaint to me, tbh?

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:02 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:21 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:19 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:17 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:14 pm Oh, also Nanook, Mac got lynched Day 1 when he was IMO clear town in Banjo. He's obviously not clear town here, but I would feel like ass lynching him d1 again here. So *shrug*, that's another reason I'd put him in the let's give him another day category I suppose.
I thought he was clearly town that game too IIRC, doesn’t affect my desire to kill or not kill him here
You have a more logical mafia brain than I do then, and I commend you.
I’ve also played games with him since, tbf
Ah, yeah, that's the last game I've played with him and it'd be nice to actually play with him here.

I do hate his Sloonei vote though. @MacDougall, do something about that please. Place it on a different person or wagon so we can get some dynamic progression before we shrug lynch Sloonei on Day 1. Anything for more information.

This doesn't really have to do with anything, but it'd be funny if Mac placed a meaningless vote on his wolfmate on Day 1.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:03 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:02 pm I’ve tried to work with you quite a bit this game I think, so like...idk it seems like kind of a disingenuous complaint to me, tbh?

That's fine, you can feel however you want, it was not intended to be hurtful or anything. I'm just really frustrated.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:06 pm**

I get it. If you’re town leave us your legacy. Is it just mac? If you’re town I’ll listen to you in f3. Likely won’t matter lolol, but I’d pay attention to what you said if the game continues

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:07 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:06 pm I get it. If you’re town leave us your legacy. Is it just mac? If you’re town I’ll listen to you in f3. Likely won’t matter lolol, but I’d pay attention to what you said if the game continues

I'm not totally sure. I still think it is. I'm re-examining his and Sloonei's ISO using a multi-ISO approach right now with fresh eyes just to be sure.

I appreciate it man. I didn't mean to imply that you or anyone else has ignored me completely or anything. I just... I don't know, I never got that "groove" I get with anyone like I often do when I work with towncore in other games. It just never happened.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:09 pm**

(Reminded of this because looking back)

Lol that Scirrus found me as town and I almost found him and then got paranoid and misyeeted him. Sorry about that man. Let's play together again.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:16 pm**

Dammit, I'm going to run out of time. I'll post what I can.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:16 pm**

How am I the only player trying to solve at this moment?

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:19 pm**

It's 11.20am on a workday for me and I am currently on a zoom call.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:20 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:19 pm It's 11.20am on a workday for me and I am currently on a zoom call.

Oh I'm not singling you out. I appreciate your efforts for sure. I just... it's weird for there to be collectively a ghost town at EoD.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:23 pm**

EOD is right around supper and put-the-toddler-to-bed time, so. It’s not ideal for me

I think I’ve done some good work during the day though, so like...I’m comfortable with the amount I’ve contributed today tbh.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:24 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:23 pm EOD is right around supper and put-the-toddler-to-bed time, so. It’s not ideal for me

I think I’ve done some good work during the day though, so like...I’m comfortable with the amount I’ve contributed today tbh.

That's fair. I'm sorry we didn't find each other exactly.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:24 pm**

This was just a rough game. I feel like town has drifted. No one has really come around to lead town. Epi tried. To his credit I didn't listen. I tried. I don't know what else to say. It's been very fragmented all game. I suppose that sort of environment leads to these situations.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:26 pm**

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:27 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:26 pm

Oops.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:27 pm**

Tbh I really hope Epi was 2/3

But yeah, like...the only person not really doing much today AFAICT is 112, so I get your frustration knheneral but I don’t really get your “nobody is doing anything wtf” attitude

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:29 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:27 pm Tbh I really hope Epi was 2/3

But yeah, like...the only person not really doing much today AFAICT is 112, so I get your frustration knheneral but I don’t really get your “nobody is doing anything wtf” attitude

That's... not exactly what I meant, but perhaps I didn't explain it well. I admittedly am just openly dumping my frustrations in here.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:32 pm**

Fair enough. I’m honestly not even that confident you’re mafia as much as I have more reasons to TR other people. Hopefully it’s right, and I’m sorry if you’re town man

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:33 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:32 pm Fair enough. I’m honestly not even that confident you’re mafia as much as I have more reasons to TR other people. Hopefully it’s right, and I’m sorry if you’re town man

No worries, we're cool. It happens, right? Sloonei blind sighted me. This is certainly not one of my good games as far as that goes.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:34 pm**

Looking at everything... I still really think it's Mac.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:35 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:34 pm Looking at everything... I still really think it's Mac.

If I'm applying body of work reads to everyone, his play is absolutely by far the most compatible with wolfy agenda, especially considering Sloonei and Soneji as the other flips.

I'm sorry I couldn't better explain the inner workings of my brain on this to you all.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:37 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:52 pm I do not have any reason to to suspect MP at this time.
Naww Sloonei reverted to his usual self when Mac started Maccing. I like this. You can be town.
Sloonbot activated
Also wtf dude you literally agreed you (at least briefly) were playing like your normal self, but when I say I TR you for doing sloonei things it’s wrong?

Fuck outta here

FWIW I don't think wolf Nanook says this to his wolfmate. CONSIDER THIS IN F3.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:37 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:35 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:34 pm Looking at everything... I still really think it's Mac.
If I'm applying body of work reads to everyone, his play is absolutely by far the most compatible with wolfy agenda, especially considering Sloonei and Soneji as the other flips.

I'm sorry I couldn't better explain the inner workings of my brain on this to you all.

I voted on Sloonei twice.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:37 pm**

I need more time. Fuck.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:38 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:37 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:35 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:34 pm Looking at everything... I still really think it's Mac.
If I'm applying body of work reads to everyone, his play is absolutely by far the most compatible with wolfy agenda, especially considering Sloonei and Soneji as the other flips.

I'm sorry I couldn't better explain the inner workings of my brain on this to you all.
I voted on Sloonei twice.

They were not backed by anything. Whatever. You're wolf dude. Nicely played though. You'll earn it if you win.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:39 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:52 pm I do not have any reason to to suspect MP at this time.
Naww Sloonei reverted to his usual self when Mac started Maccing. I like this. You can be town.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:39 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:37 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:35 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:34 pm Looking at everything... I still really think it's Mac.
If I'm applying body of work reads to everyone, his play is absolutely by far the most compatible with wolfy agenda, especially considering Sloonei and Soneji as the other flips.

I'm sorry I couldn't better explain the inner workings of my brain on this to you all.
I voted on Sloonei twice.
They were not backed by anything. Whatever. You're wolf dude. Nicely played though. You'll earn it if you win.

Because I was busy. When I bus I bus for credit not for no reason at all.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:39 pm**

What you are saying is wolfy agenda, is actually the complete absence of one.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:40 pm**

Why I want to set Macdougall on fire

Fuck me, I'm not going to get to come close to finishing this. I guess if I really wanted to convince people I should have tried harder to make my approach seem less chaotic? Whatever. I don't feel it's 100% on me, but I'll accept that responsibility nonetheless.

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First time that Sloonei mentions Mac here, no read, but understandably alright.

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:27 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:12 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:04 pm I could go for 112. That “thunderdome” suggestion is the antithesis of all things good and civilian.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
Hey, let's talk for a bit while I have some time. What else are you thinking? I know it's been a weird start for you, but I need inside your brain a bit.
My vote has been on Tony because I didn’t care for the way he framed his juliets vote, but my initial reaction to nova was a decent town lean for Night 0. And then I’ve also begun to wonder about the way juliets approached me on Day 1. She repeatedly asked me about games that are not this one, and then she dropped out.

I owe wilgy a more thorough review after the way yesterday played out, and in an ideal world I’d like to review the bandwagon against me, but I still don’t have the motivation to undertake a big project like that.

You and I have both been pushed around by Epi in this game, and I believe you mentiond that he was ripping your posts out of context to spin accusations against you. I also felt the same way about his case on me, and I believe I said so as well. But coming from Epi I do not see this as necessarily a bad thing. He operates according to his own gameplan regardless of alignment. When I’ve caught him as mafia in the past, it’s been because his posts seem to be working toward a clear agenda while shutting out or denying alternatives. Which version of Epi do you feel is more likely in this game right now?
I'm a bit torn on it. I thought he was being a boneheaded townie all of d1, and I'm still inclined to view him that way, but his singular focus would be easy enough to replicate as town and I also feel like he's just seeing what he wants to see, which indicates a lack of agenda. It's been a while since I've played with scum Epi though.

What do you think of Mac? I had a read on him that he would try harder to develop his own reads if he was scum here, does that make sense to you?
My presence in the thread has not overlapped with mac at all and I’m terrible at reading him anyway. I can’t offer any thoughts on him right now.

First time that Sloonei mentions Mac in a game-related way. Over 1,000 posts in. Still no read.

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This is the first time Sloonei and/or Mac mention or interact with each other from what I can tell. Day 2. No read. Softball question and interaction. And it's a good example of the constant 112 whiteknighting that Mac has been doing to 112 all game, and setting up a dichotomy. If you don't believe me, search his ISO for "112". It's alarmingly TMI.

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Softball stuff. No real assessment of each other.

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Sigh.

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Post number 1360 and Sloonei still openly hedges on Mac. LITERALLY NO READ HAS BEEN EXPRESSED.

Sloonei literally goes to his grave literally having never made a read about Mac. ON DAY FUCKING 3.

There's more. Go dig for it. Be thorough. I'm running out of time. Glgl, here's all I could do.

Good luck.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:41 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:40 pm Why I want to set Macdougall on fire

Fuck me, I'm not going to get to come close to finishing this. I guess if I really wanted to convince people I should have tried harder to make my approach seem less chaotic? Whatever. I don't feel it's 100% on me, but I'll accept that responsibility nonetheless.

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:44 pm @Sloonei I'm looking for the game where you were mafia with MacDougall and maybe Jay and it seems like there was someone else. If I remember correctly the team got through the game with no losses, thus a sweep. All I can remember is I subbed in. Do you know what game I'm talking about? If not, can you think of a game or two where you were mafia and it wasn't multi-ball?
I don't think such a game exists. I was mafia with Mac in the GoC, and Jay was a member of the other team. There was another game where I replaced Jay as mafia (The Wire, I think).

First time that Sloonei mentions Mac here, no read, but understandably alright.

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:27 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:12 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:04 pm I could go for 112. That “thunderdome” suggestion is the antithesis of all things good and civilian.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
Hey, let's talk for a bit while I have some time. What else are you thinking? I know it's been a weird start for you, but I need inside your brain a bit.
My vote has been on Tony because I didn’t care for the way he framed his juliets vote, but my initial reaction to nova was a decent town lean for Night 0. And then I’ve also begun to wonder about the way juliets approached me on Day 1. She repeatedly asked me about games that are not this one, and then she dropped out.

I owe wilgy a more thorough review after the way yesterday played out, and in an ideal world I’d like to review the bandwagon against me, but I still don’t have the motivation to undertake a big project like that.

You and I have both been pushed around by Epi in this game, and I believe you mentiond that he was ripping your posts out of context to spin accusations against you. I also felt the same way about his case on me, and I believe I said so as well. But coming from Epi I do not see this as necessarily a bad thing. He operates according to his own gameplan regardless of alignment. When I’ve caught him as mafia in the past, it’s been because his posts seem to be working toward a clear agenda while shutting out or denying alternatives. Which version of Epi do you feel is more likely in this game right now?
I'm a bit torn on it. I thought he was being a boneheaded townie all of d1, and I'm still inclined to view him that way, but his singular focus would be easy enough to replicate as town and I also feel like he's just seeing what he wants to see, which indicates a lack of agenda. It's been a while since I've played with scum Epi though.

What do you think of Mac? I had a read on him that he would try harder to develop his own reads if he was scum here, does that make sense to you?
My presence in the thread has not overlapped with mac at all and I’m terrible at reading him anyway. I can’t offer any thoughts on him right now.

First time that Sloonei mentions Mac in a game-related way. Over 1,000 posts in. Still no read.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:39 pm I think 112 is town with at least one mafia voting there right now.
Why?
I think 112 is town because I read their posts and find them townie. The post that MP quoted that made him want to burn 112 was also just a random vulnerable thought made manifest that MP jumped on. I dunno what's happened since then but if that's why she has three votes then y'all wagon is bad. I think there is a HIGH af likelihood of one of MP/TSP being maphier.

This is the first time Sloonei and/or Mac mention or interact with each other from what I can tell. Day 2. No read. Softball question and interaction. And it's a good example of the constant 112 whiteknighting that Mac has been doing to 112 all game, and setting up a dichotomy. If you don't believe me, search his ISO for "112". It's alarmingly TMI.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:40 pm I think we are looking at the mafia version of M Plus 7 here personally. I can sense the mania of mafia MP in his play.

Sloonei you are voting with TSP. Last time I checked you were voting ON TSP. Do you care about that at all?

Softball stuff. No real assessment of each other.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 10:09 pm This game will be the best game in the history of mafia. People keep saying to me, "Escape From Trump Tower" is the best game.
I am not reading Sloonei's ISO and locking him town off this.

Wilgy is mafia btw.

Sigh.

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:54 pm
Scirrus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:51 pm I honestly don't know why I feel so good about Mac but I do
I’ve been playing mafia with mac for 100 years and still don’t know how to read him.

Post number 1360 and Sloonei still openly hedges on Mac. LITERALLY NO READ HAS BEEN EXPRESSED.

Sloonei literally goes to his grave literally having never made a read about Mac. ON DAY FUCKING 3.

There's more. Go dig for it. Be thorough. I'm running out of time. Glgl, here's all I could do.

Good luck.

You wrote that in a minute or were just holding onto it til the last second? Weird.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:41 pm**

I think the way that Mac has treated players across this game speaks from agenda.

Whiteknighting 112.

Burning me while Sloonei was whiteknighting me.

Playing around Sloonei and Soneji while never committing.

Keeping his options open today.

Openly powerwolfing with interactions to make things seem a certain way instead of trying to figure out what actually is happening in people's brains. Admittedly his first round was pretty good, but his second round stinks of this.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:42 pm**

I've been trying to write it for the last... half hour? But I've been distracted with work and saying things in thread too.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:42 pm**

I'm keeping my vote on Mac.

It could be 112. Please give her adequate evaluation.

I don't think it's Nanook actually. My gut keeps finding him as town. I think there's a reason for that.

It's never TSP.

Good luck, everyone. I believe in you.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:43 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:41 pm I think the way that Mac has treated players across this game speaks from agenda.

Whiteknighting 112.

Burning me while Sloonei was whiteknighting me.

Playing around Sloonei and Soneji while never committing.

Keeping his options open today.

Openly powerwolfing with interactions to make things seem a certain way instead of trying to figure out what actually is happening in people's brains. Admittedly his first round was pretty good, but his second round stinks of this.

Defending 112 from specifically you who wanted to attack him for going back to the day 1 lynch rightly.

Building no cred but voting Sloonei twice.

Solving the game today as best I could.

Not doing literally anything you're saying I am.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:43 pm**

Trying to figure out what's going on in people's brains is the best way to actually describe how I've been treating you for the past 4 hours. For you to not see that speaks volumes.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:44 pm**

You're a cool dude, Mac. Let's continue to play again for plenty of years to come. Good luck regardless of your alignment, but if you're wolf I absolutely hope they burn you in F3 and I get vindicated.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:44 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:43 pm Trying to figure out what's going on in people's brains is the best way to actually describe how I've been treating you for the past 4 hours. For you to not see that speaks volumes.

Perhaps that's true. If so I'm sorry I doubted you. It's certainly been a rough game for me.

If you are town, I believe in your ability to win.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:45 pm**

If you're town, I do not.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:45 pm**

Thanks for the game, G-Man. Always a pleasure.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:46 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:45 pm If you're town, I do not.

Ouch. Perhaps we both fucked up then. If so, I really am sorry for going kamikaze on you.

I do think you're one of the best mafia players I've ever known though. You absolutely can do it.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:46 pm**

I’m prepared for disappointment

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:46 pm**

Glgl have a fun F3!

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:46 pm**

Sit tight for 10 minutes, and you'll have your post. Thank you.

Posted: **Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:46 pm**

Hey at least I won't be in LYLO for once! That's something! The streak ends!

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