Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:15 amBasically Marmot isn’t pinging me at all, they seem game solving and their reads list lacked agenda vibes. Maybe I’m biased because they had me at the top of their list and their avatar is cute— if I’m wrong that’s going to be my excuse and it can’t really be helped
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:42 am Yeah, but I'm town.
It's ok, I'm an easy push this game and I'm ok with it. Just look at who pushes me and why. Looking at things right now, I'd say Marmot is looking the most oppurtunistic.
This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:27 am On one hand Falcon has spent numerous posts telling people he's town. Specifically, 12 of his 27 posts have included some allusion to his own alignment.
On the other hand, he threw shade at both Creature and hollowbutt for "having too many townreads".
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:44 pmOn the subject of you scum leaning me? Not at the moment
This particular interaction with esooa looks like he's trying to have a little fun. He hints that Mac's townread of him doesn't make sense. Esooa responds with a good question, to which falcon just falls kinda flat.
Esooa clarified it later, what she was asking, to which falcon made his statement about Creature.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:48 pmYeah, Creature has way too many players in his town listfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:30 pmI don't have enough info to say at the moment. Nobody in your list immediately stood out to me, I'm just a lot more suspicious than trusting early in the gameCreature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:26 pmDo you disagree on any of them?
I currently feel fairly good about the ones I listed and having a list of players you don't want to lynch is optimal here, even if you end up needing to reevaluate them later.
The thing is, I don't think falcon is that suspicious. I went back and read AIM Mafia (falcon's last town game), and falcon had four townreads before he had any semblance of a scumread.
His arguments are half-hearted, and he's quickly lost interest in them when put under pressure. He's spent more time discussing his own alignment than other people's alignments. This looks like a wolf.
Just reading the last page, Marmot stood out to me, as well as HK. With HK, his post re: me felt like a wolf trying to distance a bit from a mislynchWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:46 am Yeah ok.
So I read through all three of falcon's ISOs here and yeah everything Esooa has said is pretty much spot on? The only attempt at solving I see in falcon's wolf game was to try to spew a partner town in order to set them up deep (and that seems to be only after falcon was pressured). Compare that to the town game where they came in and were immediately wolf hunting.
Falcon could you share with me your reads at the moment please?
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine lol nofalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:58 amJust reading the last page, Marmot stood out to me, as well as HK. With HK, his post re: me felt like a wolf trying to distance a bit from a mislynchWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:46 am Yeah ok.
So I read through all three of falcon's ISOs here and yeah everything Esooa has said is pretty much spot on? The only attempt at solving I see in falcon's wolf game was to try to spew a partner town in order to set them up deep (and that seems to be only after falcon was pressured). Compare that to the town game where they came in and were immediately wolf hunting.
Falcon could you share with me your reads at the moment please?
Feels weird, why so frustrated? It's D1Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:38 amMarmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:32 amDeli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:34 pmi'm almost at the point with hollow that like nah, idk that a wolf comes in and does that-- not going to clear them for being inconsistent but Idt it would make sense for hollow to be w/w is falcon and I'd rather flip falcon first.Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:13 pmBesides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:10 pmKami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment imeEsooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:58 pmRN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read
Villa
Deli
Villa lean
wiml
marmot
igno?
Not clearing(hopefully not more than 1 wolf in here)
Mac
Esooa
Kami
Hollow
Creature
Lunch here(three wolves-- one time?!)
gavial
nanook
falcon
tbh tho it's early and this list could be very good or very bad or neither :O
Tbh, your scumreads consist of standard Syndicate LHF and people that are easy to fake a scumread on, so that alone makes me disagree.
Fair enough, this is my first time playing with many of you and these are the people pinging me the hardest. Syn also wolfy but nonmemorable and I forgot them on here. Happy for you to explain why any of my wolf reads are aren’t wolfy this game, and why these ppl are lhf
NA nook hasn’t made cases or anything substance, seems kinda frozen and trolly, if I’m wrong about one it is probably this slot
Gavial is over explainy, seems like they’re nitpicking
Falcon has wolfy posts and I didn’t think reacted well to being pushed, reads seemed fake
[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
If that doesn’t work I swear to god I’m going to flip a fucking table
Thats where I’m voting for now, will not vote for wiml or igno today. Hope igno plans on posting more before EoD
Ok sleep now hopefully
Haha, that struck a nerve, eh?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:02 am sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...
no, I'm calling you out on itfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:07 amHaha, that struck a nerve, eh?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:02 am sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...
What if I'm just town tho? Have you considered that?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:09 amno, I'm calling you out on itfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:07 amHaha, that struck a nerve, eh?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:02 am sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...
I have, and decided I don't think you arefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:12 amWhat if I'm just town tho? Have you considered that?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:09 amno, I'm calling you out on itfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:07 amHaha, that struck a nerve, eh?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:02 am sheep HK sheep HK sheep someone else but don't change your visible vote oh HK is distancing...
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:00 amFeels weird, why so frustrated? It's D1Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:38 amMarmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:32 amDeli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:34 pmi'm almost at the point with hollow that like nah, idk that a wolf comes in and does that-- not going to clear them for being inconsistent but Idt it would make sense for hollow to be w/w is falcon and I'd rather flip falcon first.Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:13 pmBesides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:10 pmKami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment imeEsooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:58 pm
RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read
Villa
Deli
Villa lean
wiml
marmot
igno?
Not clearing(hopefully not more than 1 wolf in here)
Mac
Esooa
Kami
Hollow
Creature
Lunch here(three wolves-- one time?!)
gavial
nanook
falcon
tbh tho it's early and this list could be very good or very bad or neither :O
Tbh, your scumreads consist of standard Syndicate LHF and people that are easy to fake a scumread on, so that alone makes me disagree.
Fair enough, this is my first time playing with many of you and these are the people pinging me the hardest. Syn also wolfy but nonmemorable and I forgot them on here. Happy for you to explain why any of my wolf reads are aren’t wolfy this game, and why these ppl are lhf
NA nook hasn’t made cases or anything substance, seems kinda frozen and trolly, if I’m wrong about one it is probably this slot
Gavial is over explainy, seems like they’re nitpicking
Falcon has wolfy posts and I didn’t think reacted well to being pushed, reads seemed fake
[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
If that doesn’t work I swear to god I’m going to flip a fucking table
Thats where I’m voting for now, will not vote for wiml or igno today. Hope igno plans on posting more before EoD
Ok sleep now hopefully
Oh shit I thought that was his town tell.Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:25 am https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 106&t=2074
this is a scum game I had with him. Notice his opening is claiming town
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... a&start=50
this is 1984 where he was town. His opening isn't claiming town. It's finding mafia. He says creature is mafia immediately, votes him in his second post, then calls crichard scum in his third.
he doesn't care about finding mafia this game. He is trying to look town.
Also note that in Elder scrolls, where falcon was mafia, his first post was claiming town, like this game
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:57 am This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.
Sure, I agree with that. They also can be ways for wolves to push wagons, no?Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:18 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:57 am This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.
I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.
It took me only 22 seconds too.
There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:20 amSure, I agree with that. They also can be ways for wolves to push wagons, no?Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:18 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:57 am This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.
I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.
It took me only 22 seconds too.
There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.
Like I've said, if I'm mislynched, it is what it is. I only ask town to look at my wagon, cuz I can guarantee you it'd not all town
Probably still haven’t ISO’ed me because you like me too much!Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:18 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:57 am This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.
I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.
It took me only 22 seconds too.
There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:25 pm Pretty confident townreads
hollowkatt
Esooa
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Moderately confident townreads
falcon45ca
Syn
Not sure, kinda towny maybe
Creature
Gavial
Kami
Kinda scummy but I have a sense I might be reading these people wrong
Marmot
Deli
Just wolfy
Wiml
ignoramus
Yeah kidding? Your wagon is fuckin pure!falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:20 amSure, I agree with that. They also can be ways for wolves to push wagons, no?Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:18 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:57 am This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.
I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.
It took me only 22 seconds too.
There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.
Like I've said, if I'm mislynched, it is what it is. I only ask town to look at my wagon, cuz I can guarantee you it'd not all town
Sorry um why are people town reading this slot? Lmao weird post
I will not tie the vote
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprisedMarmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:22 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:20 amSure, I agree with that. They also can be ways for wolves to push wagons, no?Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:18 amfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:57 am This looks opportunistic to me. It's not your argument per se, it's the timing and motivation. It feels like you're carrying Essoa's flag, her talking points on my slot.
I ISO'd every player except for you and Gavial yesterday, and esooa took issue with my skipping of those two, so my initial "I've finally ISO'd falcon was a response to her.
It took me only 22 seconds too.
There's something wrong with "carrying esooa's flag" or having similar talking points as her? Imo, having similar reasons for scumreading someone is going to happen.
Like I've said, if I'm mislynched, it is what it is. I only ask town to look at my wagon, cuz I can guarantee you it'd not all town
They can be. Do you think that's what I'm doing?
Who's scum if I'm town?Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:34 am Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.
Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.
Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial
Honestly the main reason I had TRing Falcon is no longer existent.Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:34 am Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.
Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.
Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial
Towny postfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:35 amWho's scum if I'm town?Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:34 am Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.
Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.
Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial
Wolfy postGavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:41 amHonestly the main reason I had TRing Falcon is no longer existent.Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:34 am Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.
Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.
Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial
Clearly you haven’t been reading as i started I initially TR Falcon because I thought him saying he was town constantly was a town tell but didn’t realize it was NAI.Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:42 amTowny postfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:35 amWho's scum if I'm town?Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:34 am Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.
Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.
Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial
Wolfy postGavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:41 amHonestly the main reason I had TRing Falcon is no longer existent.Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:34 am Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.
Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.
Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial
Interesting
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:35 amWho's scum if I'm town?Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:34 am Ties are awful anyway, and they're especially awful in this format.
Pre-flip association. If falcon is scum, Gavial can also scum. He gave falcon an early townread and maintained it, has parked his vote on Syn all day, and is currently trying to get Syn yeeted. He even admitted just a moment ago that the wagon on falcon is pure.
Do you still TR falcon, @Gavial
I can attest that in Elder Scrolls, he wasn't in scumchat either, and I believe was at work all day, the day he was yeeted.Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:47 am I'm not sure if doing it constantly might be towny. In his two previous scum games he wasn't actually around EoD/didn't fight his chop at that time at least. I'm not sure if that's just not being in thread or he didn't want to. I think it's interesting this game where he's playing even less energetically than from his other games is when he's here EoD trying to not die. It's making me consider going igno at least