The Syndicate

Idk man, I'm not an expert though I do have access to the admin control panel so maybe I could figure out if it's possible but I don't want to accidentally see anything I'm not supposed to see and it doesn't seem that important to our gameplay so I won't. But I know admins have been able to do other weird things with thread permissions for games in the past.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:21 pm Idk man, I'm not an expert though I do have access to the admin control panel so maybe I could figure out if it's possible but I don't want to accidentally see anything I'm not supposed to see and it doesn't seem that important to our gameplay so I won't. But I know admins have been able to do other weird things with thread permissions for games in the past.

Would depend on how much of ACP you have access to. Hosts get (or used to, anyways) some limited access (can see reports on users, some limited IP information, control over whatever is relevant to the host/mod group) that I imagine is similar access all mod-type user accounts have, but would be a lot less (or should be, if permissions aren't being horribly mismanaged) than admins. And (if memory serves) LT did a lot of the design of TS and did it the same way she did RM, so I would expect it was done well, cause she knows her shit.

i took too long of a break lol

lettuce eod

so boo and dfaraday are the lead wagons

bleh. don't love

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

kinda wanna look here tbh

for what it's worth i have no read on dfaraday and i don't even know if i'll ever get a read on them or if they're worth keeping around so i guess that is a fine vote

but it feels like a cop out at the same time

[mention]juliets[/mention] gimme one or two good town games? I looked at sockville where I thiiink you were town? But it was a short iso so maybe something meatier but also recent?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:37 pm @juliets gimme one or two good town games? I looked at sockville where I thiiink you were town? But it was a short iso so maybe something meatier but also recent?

Steely Dan, the heartbreaking one. Just a minute and I'll get you the link.

[mention]nutella[/mention]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

this is an amazing wolf game from nutella if she's a wolf. i've only seen 1 wolf game from her, which was the champs scrim, but goodness gracious she's villagery.

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

I'm starting to think he may not be trustworthy.

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:37 pm for what it's worth i have no read on dfaraday and i don't even know if i'll ever get a read on them or if they're worth keeping around so i guess that is a fine vote

but it feels like a cop out at the same time

I am feeling bad about voting for boo, a participating player that I'm voting because of his predecessor, when there are DF and TL out here not engaging with us. But I know that doesn't make them scum.

boo isn't being very solvey though. He's just there.

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:39 pm [VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

I'm starting to think he may not be trustworthy.

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

Maybe this will bring him in to share reads, thoughts.

the boo wagon doesn't look great to me. nutella v but juliets n and long con w concerns me

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:35 pm [VOTE: long con] aubergine

kinda wanna look here tbh

I missed this - what do you see here with LC vanity?

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:45 pm the boo wagon doesn't look great to me. nutella v but juliets n and long con w concerns me

I'm off of him for right now at least.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:45 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:35 pm [VOTE: long con] aubergine

kinda wanna look here tbh

I missed this - what do you see here with LC vanity?

how to explain it...

long con's recent posts ping me as just not confident and calculated. they're also struggling to give a stance on the game in most of their posts i feel

also their evaluation of the boo vote feels wolfy in the sense that it's too level 1

@vanity.

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:58 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:57 pm Ugh vanity, the only thing Im nervous about is how concerned you are about how "villagery" you've been. That just makes me suspect you're a wolf that thinks he played a clean game and deserves credit.

literally if you think i'm villagery, i'm probably a villager. that's how my meta goes unless i am able to get to a point where i am able to blur my ranges.

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:59 pm every single time i've been a villager i've been townread in a decent rate. not an exception here.

The attitude you're showing here is very different from the attitude you were showing at the beginning in the game. For reference, this is what you posted near the beginning of the game:

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:33 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:32 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:15 pm i'm probably going to get questions about my nanook read so i'll just explain that now

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:51 pm Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6

nanook instantly pushing lld in this post reads to me as "i've been burned by this person bad and i want to lynch them out of paranoia" to me. it's like a classic v thought process in my opinion. now, he has a good wolf game and i wouldn't take this to the grave, but i think it was enough to give him a townread, especially since no one else v read him.

I'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.

Vanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.

...am i? am i just this easy of a read?

i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:39 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:36 pm To be fair, I've not seen your scum game. But I read you in G7 (you died as I subbed in) and watched you in in WC1, and you play this game similarly to how I do. Everything I see from you so far has been so pure, IMO.

How would you describe your wolf range, then?

my wolf range, huh...

while i haven't wolfed on forum before, and this game is another non-turbo village game from me, because randing wolf is impossible for some reason, but i'm the powerwolf type. a lot of people that know me from dm wouldn't give v reads on me this early, because they know i can give compelling thoughts on the game as a wolf.

i'd post around the same as either alignment. if i'm in the thread, i'm posting. that's all there really is to it. if you think i'm pure, cool. i don't think you're a wolf at the moment, so i'm comfortable with this.

What's changed since then? You think you're being villagery now obviously, but back when you made the above two posts, you mentioned that you didn't feel like you had done anything outside of your wolfrange. What specifically do you think you've done that finally put you outside of your wolfrange?

[mention]Creature[/mention] [mention]Elephant[/mention] [mention]Hyena[/mention] where u animals at

Oh Hyena's here cool

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:49 pm Oh Hyena's here cool

Yup, just got back. <3

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:33 pm It's tough to judge vanity without ever having played with him before. Exasperated claims to his villagery-ness don't really do a lot for me.

I don't like the look of boo's hop on to the vanity vote though, it looks opportunistic. The "Did you miss the D1 lynch result? The only "we" that makes sense there is you're mafia..." is not something that feels like honest scumhunting either.

Looks like the TL wagon isn't really taking off, so I'll check out the boo one instead. [VOTE: spiny boo] aubergine

the more i stare at this the more i'm like

"probably a wolf tbqh"

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:37 pm for what it's worth i have no read on dfaraday and i don't even know if i'll ever get a read on them or if they're worth keeping around so i guess that is a fine vote

but it feels like a cop out at the same time

Oh, I won't deny for a second that it's a huge copout, lol. I'm not ashamed to say that.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:48 pm @vanity.

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:58 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:57 pm Ugh vanity, the only thing Im nervous about is how concerned you are about how "villagery" you've been. That just makes me suspect you're a wolf that thinks he played a clean game and deserves credit.

literally if you think i'm villagery, i'm probably a villager. that's how my meta goes unless i am able to get to a point where i am able to blur my ranges.

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:59 pm every single time i've been a villager i've been townread in a decent rate. not an exception here.

The attitude you're showing here is very different from the attitude you were showing at the beginning in the game. For reference, this is what you posted near the beginning of the game:

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:33 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:32 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:15 pm i'm probably going to get questions about my nanook read so i'll just explain that now

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:51 pm Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6

nanook instantly pushing lld in this post reads to me as "i've been burned by this person bad and i want to lynch them out of paranoia" to me. it's like a classic v thought process in my opinion. now, he has a good wolf game and i wouldn't take this to the grave, but i think it was enough to give him a townread, especially since no one else v read him.

I'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.

Vanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.

...am i? am i just this easy of a read?

i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:39 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:36 pm To be fair, I've not seen your scum game. But I read you in G7 (you died as I subbed in) and watched you in in WC1, and you play this game similarly to how I do. Everything I see from you so far has been so pure, IMO.

How would you describe your wolf range, then?

my wolf range, huh...

while i haven't wolfed on forum before, and this game is another non-turbo village game from me, because randing wolf is impossible for some reason, but i'm the powerwolf type. a lot of people that know me from dm wouldn't give v reads on me this early, because they know i can give compelling thoughts on the game as a wolf.

i'd post around the same as either alignment. if i'm in the thread, i'm posting. that's all there really is to it. if you think i'm pure, cool. i don't think you're a wolf at the moment, so i'm comfortable with this.

What's changed since then? You think you're being villagery now obviously, but back when you made the above two posts, you mentioned that you didn't feel like you had done anything outside of your wolfrange. What specifically do you think you've done that finally put you outside of your wolfrange?

i just finished a game and it gives me more drive to play now that we're out of d1 and we have legitimate things to analyze. d1's just not my forte usually, my reads tend to not be good on d1

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:49 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:33 pm It's tough to judge vanity without ever having played with him before. Exasperated claims to his villagery-ness don't really do a lot for me.

I don't like the look of boo's hop on to the vanity vote though, it looks opportunistic. The "Did you miss the D1 lynch result? The only "we" that makes sense there is you're mafia..." is not something that feels like honest scumhunting either.

Looks like the TL wagon isn't really taking off, so I'll check out the boo one instead. [VOTE: spiny boo] aubergine

the more i stare at this the more i'm like

"probably a wolf tbqh"

Will take a look at him.

actually... don't wanna look at long con. just looked at the d1 vote again

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Long Con's case against TL was what I didn't really like. It was as if he was forcing reasons for TL being a wolf.

I think I leave Long Con alone today simply because of his interactions with Drago.

elephant dfaraday creature boo

hrmmm...

actually these wagons are fine

carry on

lolme

Can I interest anyone in an Elephant wagon?

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:43 pm boo isn't being very solvey though. He's just there.

I've been plenty 'solvey', but it all got brushed aside as misreads from not being familiar with most of the people in our groups mafia culture. I don't agree with it, but when you take 4 votes and 3 of them are based on 'you replaced someone I kinda maybe sorta suspected', pushing for lynching people who aren't one of the 4 voters just seems like a good way of helping dig your own grave.

So, I am essentially forced to try and get a policy lynch since that's where other votes are, so I can continue for another day and hopefully be able to actually make the pushes I'm interested in.

i think there's almost always a busser on drago but i'm not lynching a voter on drago today. just not smart game-wise

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:55 pm Can I interest anyone in an Elephant wagon?

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm actually... don't wanna look at long con. just looked at the d1 vote again

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Yeah, like, the only three I'd consider lynching outside of DFar are probably Boo, you, or Elephant, with you and Elephant being the more risky by informative choices. It would be cool to resolve you two, but ehhhh. I'm not confident that you two are for sure v/w.

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:55 pm Can I interest anyone in an Elephant wagon?

Spoiler: show

Perhaps.

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:54 pm elephant dfaraday creature boo

hrmmm...

I forgot about Creature. Like, I dunno if I just haven't paying close attention to him, but he's faded from existence from my perspective. The only thing I remember him doing in the last 24 hours is him joining the DFar wagon with me and, like, Benson.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:56 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm actually... don't wanna look at long con. just looked at the d1 vote again

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Yeah, like, the only three I'd consider lynching outside of DFar are probably Boo, you, or Elephant, with you and Elephant being the more risky by informative choices. It would be cool to resolve you two, but ehhhh. I'm not confident that you two are for sure v/w.

risky but informative** rather

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:56 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm actually... don't wanna look at long con. just looked at the d1 vote again

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Yeah, like, the only three I'd consider lynching outside of DFar are probably Boo, you, or Elephant, with you and Elephant being the more risky by informative choices. It would be cool to resolve you two, but ehhhh. I'm not confident that you two are for sure v/w.

the only thing i can assure you is that i am a villager. those other lynches seeem decent.

the amount of effort that elephant put into their case on me is the one thing that just makes me sure they're a wolf. still feels bad to get wolfread by him for going m.i.a but i understand somewhat

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:02 pm vanity just finished an 8000 posts per 3 days mafia on MU, and so did Creature, TrustworthyLiberal, Michelle, Evenstar, Jackofhearts2005, and iaafr. I expect this explains vanity's absence today.

also i read this and was like

...

well i reacted negatively but reading more closely i'm not sure why. i didn't post 8000 times in that game, only 800!

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:56 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm actually... don't wanna look at long con. just looked at the d1 vote again

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Yeah, like, the only three I'd consider lynching outside of DFar are probably Boo, you, or Elephant, with you and Elephant being the more risky by informative choices. It would be cool to resolve you two, but ehhhh. I'm not confident that you two are for sure v/w.

the only thing i can assure you is that i am a villager. those other lynches seeem decent.

the amount of effort that elephant put into their case on me is the one thing that just makes me sure they're a wolf. still feels bad to get wolfread by him for going m.i.a but i understand somewhat

vanity do you mean because he put in a lot of effort or did you see it as hastily put together?

Elephant put in work on the vanity case but it reads like a smear campaign because none of the stuff was even that wolfy.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:01 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:56 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm actually... don't wanna look at long con. just looked at the d1 vote again

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Yeah, like, the only three I'd consider lynching outside of DFar are probably Boo, you, or Elephant, with you and Elephant being the more risky by informative choices. It would be cool to resolve you two, but ehhhh. I'm not confident that you two are for sure v/w.

the only thing i can assure you is that i am a villager. those other lynches seeem decent.

the amount of effort that elephant put into their case on me is the one thing that just makes me sure they're a wolf. still feels bad to get wolfread by him for going m.i.a but i understand somewhat

vanity do you mean because he put in a lot of effort or did you see it as hastily put together?

i think effort was very clearly put in but a lot of it was stuff from that wasn't really alignment indicative. and honestly if you think i'm playing in a way that isn't alignment indicative i probably should be wolfread by people lol

i dont think it was rushed or anything. but the case has flaws for sure.

I think I've been so hesitant about even considering Elephant as a lynch is because I agree with him on two things.
1. Drago flipping mafia doesn't clear 112, and that, in fact, she could still be scum, and
2. I didn't feel good about Vanity saying that five people (the Drago non-voters) should be focused on today, and that it felt like he was trying to narrow discussion.

On the other hand, aside from #2, I don't really have any issues with Vanity, and he would still be my top town if it weren't for #2.

also elephant is an alt of someone who is decently active on mu

duly noted.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 pm tlib
elephant
juliets
long con
dfaraday

this is the list of suspects i'm working within today. get crackalackin.

4 drago voters

what was past me doing lol. i did think at the time these were people i wanted to pressure but these are not the suspects i'm working with today

[mention]Hyena[/mention], what's your read on TLib?

for what its worth there's very likely a wolf in those names fmpov

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:07 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 pm tlib
elephant
juliets
long con
dfaraday

this is the list of suspects i'm working within today. get crackalackin.

4 drago voters

what was past me doing lol. i did think at the time these were people i wanted to pressure but these are not the suspects i'm working with today

Okay, so I wasn't crazy. Long Con WAS on the list, lol. It was Creature that I was wrong about.