Space Invaders [END]

[Epignosis]

okay. I think I was pretty much always planning to shoot Alison today, as she fits in basically all the possible worlds I see. I'm still having a tough time getting there on Mac but the rest of you see it so at some point I need to put my trust in you guys. I suppose it can be Alison - Mac. Alison - Carot would be impressive but plausible. Carot - Mac.... I don't really see it. It would take some extreme convincing to show me a proto world.

Why is Mac okay in your mind?

[nutella]

okay. I think I was pretty much always planning to shoot Alison today, as she fits in basically all the possible worlds I see. I'm still having a tough time getting there on Mac but the rest of you see it so at some point I need to put my trust in you guys. I suppose it can be Alison - Mac. Alison - Carot would be impressive but plausible. Carot - Mac.... I don't really see it. It would take some extreme convincing to show me a proto world.

Why is Mac okay in your mind?

I just feel like he would have approached the thread differently the last few days as an alien. I...... guess I can't really point to a specific reason that I towncleared him but I thought there was something. I think I must just be dumb and now thinking back to the early drago stuff it really probably just is him and Alison.

[nutella]

.....Yeah, I'm dumb. He's basically spent all game trying to link other people to Alison. That's just the team. K.

[protocultures]

God what if it's alison proto though


I mean they would absolutely deserve that win lol

been hard townreading eachother all game.

I might be the hapless fool who has been pocketed, but I am not an alien.

[Alison]

nutella, can you explain to me why you don't see a Carotenoid/Mac world?

[Alison]

(I'm going to go back to sleep because I hadn't had enough, talk to you all in a few hours, bye)

[Epignosis]

Drago doesnt like Spacemovies = bad

Dunya, Alison and Tutu are town GTH, nice energy.
Not excluding the possibility that a wolf is coordinating the mechtalk with others.

Tho nothing else pinged me for now. I am at work, will be properly active later on.

nice energy

Tho thinking about it now, if one or more of the 4 scummiest players are town, mafia won't try to kill Nutella since it'd be futile. So I can see a benefit there for town reads.

How I see it happening is that mafia might go after the assigned "protectors" or someone outside of the reach, if an assigned protector gets killed then we have to fill that slot, ergo it is possible that we stick in a loop and yes we have to hope our PoE is right.

Drago doesnt like Spacemovies = bad

Dunya, Alison and Tutu are town GTH, nice energy.
Not excluding the possibility that a wolf is coordinating the mechtalk with others.

Tho nothing else pinged me for now. I am at work, will be properly active later on.

Hmmm

I'm making a note for later of stuffing Alison with 1 post between me and tutu and calling out nice energy. Something pingy about this entrance.

Well her entrance was "agressive" not passive, it pinged me and from a GTH perspective there wasn't anything negative I felt there.

This is a softball response followed up by dunya shitting on Rej regarding one-post Alison.

I gotta admit, I much prefer hunting for scum the good old fashioned way than mechanical play, every damn time.

normally yes but I feel like I need a hefty amount of experience with epi to be able to tell if his play up til now is indicative of town or scum

But that's not your task, is it? That's nutella's burden.

I don't see any reason you are a civilian. You are acting like you're my judge. You're not. nutella is. And she has the requisite experience with me that you bemoan lacking.

Omg you are so full of shit lol. You are basically saying "town don't need to town". Get rekt. SHoot this egg.

I feel this one sounds like desperate try to shade Epi.
My D1 reads on Epi were often on point and my gut tells me Epi is town and that Mac!alien throws a desperate shade.

Consider this interaction. dunya made a general comment that Alison saw fit to attach my name to.

Nobody needs a hefty amount of experience with me. What's clear here at this point is that Alison has shown absolutely zero need to show ME a civilian state of mind.

Mac jumps in and Rej jumps in.

This is all fun and games because none of these individuals are responsible for shooting Epi.

They just need a take one way or another.

They're all shit takes.

Hell, Rej says "desperate" and "shade" twice.

[Epignosis]

I feel this one sounds like desperate try to shade Epi.
My D1 reads on Epi were often on point and my gut tells me Epi is town and that Mac!alien throws a desperate shade.

Hi, Rej. Are you scum? Yes/no. I feel yes, but you can talk me into a no.

I am not scum. I am the towniest towny and I am optimistic.

What are you optimistic about?

The outcome of this DP, like us!bunkers doing a good job, or nutella!laser in coherence with us!town

I feel this one sounds like desperate try to shade Epi.
My D1 reads on Epi were often on point and my gut tells me Epi is town and that Mac!alien throws a desperate shade.

Hi, Rej. Are you scum? Yes/no. I feel yes, but you can talk me into a no.

I am not scum. I am the towniest towny and I am optimistic.

What are you optimistic about?

Oh btw, maybe you should know that Dragomir and me come from the same forum. Sometimes we read each other correct D1, even if one of us scum and the other is town.
I wouldnt be optimistic if someone else would be the lynchee. Lmao.

I'm posting this without commentary because I am going to pause here and see what Alison does with this on her end.

[Epignosis]

And hey, thanks Alison for posting so I don't have to go back to page one.

[Epignosis]

I don't see where Alison followed up with Rej about being "optimistic."

[Epignosis]

Stumbled upon this load of politician horseradish:

I think a POE like this is a solid starting point;

Alison
Carotenoid
Protocultures
Dunya
Rej

With Epignosis as a swing for Dunya if that's a miss. If Dyslexicon is mafia we probably never get there if Hally is town which is my most confident read and also I love Dizzy so fuck it.

I feel like all combos inside this are viable though I expect some immediate "wtf no this person can't be w with this person" type things. Don't hold back.

This post feels pretty pure to me and is a HUGE step up in terms of post quality than before. Could be wolf!Mac stepping up because he's feeling the pressure after his teammate died, but given that he had a hand in Soneji's death, I don't buy my own theory.

"This post feels pretty pure to me"

This is something nobody can challenge unless that person is willing to call Alison a liar (only Alison can say what Alison feels).

"pretty" is an adverb softening "pure"

++++

"and is a HUGE step up in posting quality than before"

capital letters needed to emphasize in case we miss it.

Does anybody else here look at this post and think MacDougall made a HUGE step up in posting quality that before?

Bear in mind that Mac has 3.5 pages of posts before this to judge.

++++

"Could be wolf!Mac stepping up because he's feeling the pressure after his teammate died"

Could be. Could be. Might be. Could be. Definitely is a toss up.

++++

"but"

Oh dear.

++++

"given that he had a hand in Soneji's death,"

What hand did MacDougall have in Soneji's death, Alison? He didn't do anything to kill Soneji. Nada.

++++

"I don't buy my own theory."

Then why post the damn thing?

++++

Please shoot Alison.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Not towny Rej. Where is my towny Rej? Not here, cause Rej is not town.

that vote is wasted on my slot, rather vote Mac or your new fresh suspect Alison, also I don't feel threatened, I am still catching up

you always keep on saying "not towny" "not towny"...can you go into depth? if you are so sure you can already give me a micro/macro read or even two

[nutella]

It's ok epi. I've been locked in on alison since yesterday. And I'm now pretty convinced mac is her partner

[nutella]

Like a brief skim of mac's iso shows a lot of attempts at linking townies to alison

[Epignosis]

my sole mission is this game is to bury rej and i must be alive D2 to see this through

I am back.
I see Hally got killed and I saw this weird post. I was on her shotlist and idk how. I wish things had ended differently.

Seems like a simple frame kill to me. I am not interpreting much into the night kill but I am really curious about what others have to say about it.

I am at work but once I read all opinions about the NK, I might get a fresh and super cool PoE!

Hally was a widely townread player, what makes you jump to "frame kill" as opposed to "this player was killed because they were widely townread"?

Frame kill, because Hally suspected me before she said Sayonara, tho one could think it would be profitable for me to kill people that suspect me if I were scum, but nah
I am bashed by everyone anyway.

This is how they welcome back Rej

I am a Bunker and if anyone wanna know who I protected last night, it was Epi

Did Alison follow up on this softball question?

No, proto went after Rej instead:

my sole mission is this game is to bury rej and i must be alive D2 to see this through

I am back.
I see Hally got killed and I saw this weird post. I was on her shotlist and idk how. I wish things had ended differently.

Seems like a simple frame kill to me. I am not interpreting much into the night kill but I am really curious about what others have to say about it.

I am at work but once I read all opinions about the NK, I might get a fresh and super cool PoE!

Hally was a widely townread player, what makes you jump to "frame kill" as opposed to "this player was killed because they were widely townread"?

Frame kill, because Hally suspected me before she said Sayonara, tho one could think it would be profitable for me to kill people that suspect me if I were scum, but nah
I am bashed by everyone anyway.

This is how they welcome back Rej

I am a Bunker and if anyone wanna know who I protected last night, it was Epi

Why did you use a bunker save at all?

Why did you think Epi would be an alien target?

Did you read the arguments for/against using bunker saves on non-nutella people?

Where did you land on those arguments?

Do you think you made yourself a higher laser target for Day 2 because you now only have 3 bunker saves remaining?

It is easy why I used a shot, I suspected Epi to be a mafia target this NP and I thought I wouldn't make it far, also if I would had blocked the kill surprisingly people would clear me. So I gambled. Like my only chance.
Also I didn't worry much when I saw that the Soneji flip, so I thought it was okay.

Since I wanted to play the game and since I try to avoid two things:
Getting shot by mafia and getting lynched.
Tho I have an asswork to do and it is hard to avoid latter one...


[mention]Epignosis[/mention] yo I listened to your music on bandcamp and it is dope, will you move me out of your PoE? like lock me town?

If Alison perused this, I didn't see it.

[MacDougall]

Ugh

[Epignosis]

It's ok epi. I've been locked in on alison since yesterday. And I'm now pretty convinced mac is her partner

All right.

I've only been seeking to satisfy myself at this point but I believe this is the correct course.

[Epignosis]

Ugh

Ugh what?

[MacDougall]

Ugh ugh ugh

[MacDougall]

I'll be right back

[protocultures]

I flip on Alison actuallly.

Am I allowed to post extracts from Alisons MU games?

[Epignosis]

I flip on Alison actuallly.

Am I allowed to post extracts from Alisons MU games?

I don't see why you couldn't.

[nutella]

I flip on Alison actuallly.

Am I allowed to post extracts from Alisons MU games?

Yeah you can reference other games as long as they are completed


which reminds me I'm sorry I never got back to you about the tsp thing oops

[Epignosis]

I said "perused" up above and meant "pursued."

I hate myself now.

[MacDougall]

I saved Nutella last night. I have 1 bunker left. I am not an alien. Do not shoot me. Not after all you've taken me through god damn you.

[MacDougall]

It will take me decades to recover from the pain I will feel if Nutella shoots me to lose the game after riding with me for 7 fucking days holy shit.

[protocultures]

So Epi brought up an old post by Alison which just sent off alarm bells. Its small sample etc but its enough for me to flip my townread on Alison and reach consensus on Mac/Alison if it helps Nutella.

It may be totally bullshit and im reading something into nothing, but take a look at the below. I havent ISOed Alisons posts this game yet to check for number of times this happens.

Alison linked 3 games on MU. 2 maf games, 1 town game. Town game posts were short, but zero uses of the word "pure" to describe another player. Another mafia game, no use of the world "pure". However, this game https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... st_3195899 in which Alison is mafia..


"This post feels pretty pure to me and is a HUGE step up in terms of post quality than before. Could be wolf!Mac stepping up because he's feeling the pressure after his teammate died, but given that he had a hand in Soneji's death, I don't buy my own theory." This is extract post from Alison.

"This reads as pure to me but I can't explain why so I'm just going to call this a gutread."

"lock town. pure as hell"

"funnygurl reads as kinda pure to me, but Crimson gives me a bad vibe, he has this sort of disengaged "rote" tone like he's just trying to get a set of goals accomplished rather than figure out the game. I've already discussed my light scumread on Kelp."

"Still trying to decide how I feel about crazee. elijah's posts come off very town tonally, but he can easily fake that as scum and the fact that he started the Kelp CW makes him my #1 suspect. Percy I read as town based off a pure post but Evan told me afterwards that's the tone he always has, + the tiebreaker vote wasn't the best. Wu is town off presuming Litten et al. is scum."

"I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about what alignments people are if you flip town because there's a very low chance in my eyes that you do. I can tell you that Percy's posts feel kinda pure/genuine to me, so if you are town I'm not necessarily eyeing his behavior as a pocket. Why do you ask about Percy specifically?"

"So what makes crazee's posts more scummy than funnygurl's to you? Are you implying you scumread funnygurl for the presence on Kelp wagon? Because I can tell you that I think funnygurl's tone is super pure and that she is very unlikely to be mafia in my eyes."

"This feels like town. Tone is pure, and scum Percy here can easily make up reasons to townread Litten."

"I'm willing to put in Marluxion and elijah as lock town right now. Marluxion's emotion and rage at D2 is really pure and difficult to fake in my view, and elijah has absolutely no reason to practically murder his scumbuddy during D2 when he could have easily coasted by on a Litten or Wu push."

"Essentially, all three of you have very pure tone and motivation. elijah tends to be a lot more laid back and go with the flow as scum and his aggressive pushes here are more indicative of his town play. He also made pushes that were unecessary - he could have let Litten get easy wagoned without taking any blame D1, let Wu die and wash his hands of the blame D2, etc. I can't see why scum would do this."

[protocultures]

first quote is from Alison in THIS game, not the MU game.

[protocultures]

Am I crazy or is this like good?

[Epignosis]

proto wild as hell

[protocultures]

ISO from Alison in THIS game.

"This post feels pretty pure to me and is a HUGE step up in terms of post quality than before. Could be wolf!Mac stepping up because he's feeling the pressure after his teammate died, but given that he had a hand in Soneji's death, I don't buy my own theory." This is extract post from Alison.

"scum might express a similar sentiment to look good, but ham it up, dramatize about epi being a liability, etc. this tone is SUPER pure and is just straight "we should be working together. why aren't you?"

"protocultures - Just consistently the most transparent player in the game. Emotion feels pure when he has it and the Epi/proto tunnel felt like genuine stubbornness on a scumread (if horribly unproductive)."

"don't buy this case on proto. His posts are just super pure, even if you disagree with them (like the dizzy/dunya/tony/proto plan) and I think he just genuinely believes in them. I can connect with what he's saying on a lot of levels and I've had like a low level of mindmeld with him all game. Not in the sense that our reads are the same, but we're running on the same wavelength and thinking in the same processes (if that makes sense). I don't believe scum proto can simulate a mindmeld to that degree so consistently."

[protocultures]

proto wild as hell

good wild or bad wild?

[MacDougall]

I need to compose myself I am actually shaking uncontrollably right now

[protocultures]

i havent read it all in depth to see if that is a phrase they specifically use to pocket town or townshield mafia yet

[MacDougall]

This last 2 weeks have been so bad irl and I've been like doing my best here and sort of trying to use mafia to take my mind off things and im just having a full meltdown no omg im sorry

[Epignosis]

proto wild as hell

good wild or bad wild?

This kind of wild:

[Epignosis]

This last 2 weeks have been so bad irl and I've been like doing my best here and sort of trying to use mafia to take my mind off things and im just having a full meltdown no omg im sorry

Take you're time.

We can do Alison first.

[Epignosis]

"Take you're time"

Fuck me.

[protocultures]

proto wild as hell

good wild or bad wild?

This kind of wild:

[protocultures]

This last 2 weeks have been so bad irl and I've been like doing my best here and sort of trying to use mafia to take my mind off things and im just having a full meltdown no omg im sorry

Sorry to hear that dude.

[MacDougall]

im gonna take a long ass break after this

[Epignosis]

Who is alien?

Is it me?

Is it Carotenoid?

Is it protocultures?

Is it Alison?

[Epignosis]

im gonna take a long ass break after this

I wanted to say something about the long ass break you took during this, but I'm a gentleman.

[MacDougall]

Who is alien?

Is it me?

Is it Carotenoid?

Is it protocultures?

Is it Alison?

We're never getting there on you so no point.

Carot has felt very pure but Nutella was right about her EOD yesterday and opening here. I had the exact same thought.

I don't know what Proto's range is but I don't know if legit anyone has what he's done in his mafia range.

Alison is alien or we lose basically.

[MacDougall]

im gonna take a long ass break after this

I wanted to say something about the long ass break you took during this, but I'm a gentleman.

im very fragile right now dont hurt me

[Epignosis]

Who is alien?

Is it me?

Is it Carotenoid?

Is it protocultures?

Is it Alison?

We're never getting there on you so no point.

Carot has felt very pure but Nutella was right about her EOD yesterday and opening here. I had the exact same thought.

I don't know what Proto's range is but I don't know if legit anyone has what he's done in his mafia range.

Alison is alien or we lose basically.

Now I know you're taking the piss.

[protocultures]

It's ok epi. I've been locked in on alison since yesterday. And I'm now pretty convinced mac is her partner

[MacDougall]

Who is alien?

Is it me?

Is it Carotenoid?

Is it protocultures?

Is it Alison?

We're never getting there on you so no point.

Carot has felt very pure but Nutella was right about her EOD yesterday and opening here. I had the exact same thought.

I don't know what Proto's range is but I don't know if legit anyone has what he's done in his mafia range.

Alison is alien or we lose basically.

Now I know you're taking the piss.

dude stahppppp

[MacDougall]

It's ok epi. I've been locked in on alison since yesterday. And I'm now pretty convinced mac is her partner

[Epignosis]

I'm going to bed.

Mac if you're not an alien, the ball is in your court.