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How do you feel about the current wagons?NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:19 pmFor me it was that you came in yesterday asking why fingersplints was a wagon but didn't actually seem interested in anybody's case. And then made two (2) posts in the first half of this day phase. I'm still catching up on the rest.
if he was scum his wagon would be harder, and he's been set up to be scum previously making him the easiest mislynch imo. ppl hard defend creature, I confuse people, marmot and jay can handle themselves with people defending them
Why is that significant for you? Seems like something that a disengaged wolf could easily miss.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:16 pmNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.
Yes
What is your read of him, independent of other players in the game?lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:20 pmif he was scum his wagon would be harder, and he's been set up to be scum previously making him the easiest mislynch imo. ppl hard defend creature, I confuse people, marmot and jay can handle themselves with people defending them
He's been a top wagon D1 and D2, but didn't go over because we wagoned town LHF instead. Even today he's been competing with a bunch of candidates for the exe, and people have townread him. I wouldn't characterize Ender's wagon as "easy".lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:20 pmif he was scum his wagon would be harder, and he's been set up to be scum previously making him the easiest mislynch imo. ppl hard defend creature, I confuse people, marmot and jay can handle themselves with people defending them
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:21 pmWhy is that significant for you? Seems like something that a disengaged wolf could easily miss.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:16 pmNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.
Yes
I actually think if Ender is W, Rondo is likely town because of how careful Ender seems to be around Rondo. (He claims it's how he treats Rondo every game, but Rondo has refused to corroborate this and if Ender is wolf I'm just going to assume he was full of shit about that.)Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 pm Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq
Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?
This could probably look different, but yeah
scum lean, but I see him as someone who plays scummy (as either alignment) with my anti consensus ideasMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 pmWhat is your read of him, independent of other players in the game?lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:20 pmif he was scum his wagon would be harder, and he's been set up to be scum previously making him the easiest mislynch imo. ppl hard defend creature, I confuse people, marmot and jay can handle themselves with people defending them
fair tbh, I need to thinkJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pm I would describe the task of getting votes on Ender to this point to be pulling teeth.
Could be right about Rondo. Probably.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:25 pmI actually think if Ender is W, Rondo is likely town because of how careful Ender seems to be around Rondo. (He claims it's how he treats Rondo every game, but Rondo has refused to corroborate this and if Ender is wolf I'm just going to assume he was full of shit about that.)Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 pm Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq
Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?
This could probably look different, but yeah
I also think that an Ender W flip would suggest his wagon is mostly pure since I don't think mafia would feel compelled to bus Ender right now when they could easily justify a vote on Jay.
I don't have him as a lock clear, but I think he's townier than not. He hit some townie notes D1 and D2 and I don't really understand why he's insisting on voting off the people on his wagon rather than just slapping a vote on Jay/Ender if he's mafia (unless the team is exactly Jay/Ender/Creature which seems absurd).NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pm Alison you think Creature's town, or just not a priority for today?
Recalling this, Nate, but with a different question: if the NK is driven primarily by threats, then why does a Creature team kill Seanzie?NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:35 pmI think it's more likely that the NK will aimed at direct threats, rather than removing protection for a mischop. Not that it couldn't serve both purposes.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:14 pm @NateTheLesser I still owe Creature a full reassessment, but my initial perception on Day 3 is that a Seanzie kill may point to a town Creature. Seanzie protected him pretty staunchly, while people like myself and a few others that have been anti-Creature much of the game are still here. I wonder if that represents an invitation for us to kill him without the same resistance.
But Marmot, if both Finger and Creature are giving town pings, that means my reads have been garbage.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pmNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:21 pmWhy is that significant for you? Seems like something that a disengaged wolf could easily miss.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:16 pmNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.
Yes
I'd imagine a disengaged wolf would have teammates that would talk about and notice these things. Sure the wolf team could be Creature/fingersplints/???, but even any other player listed here would pick up on things like that.
I'm not locking in a townread for it, but I think it's more townie than not.
We definitely can't have thatNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:28 pmBut Marmot, if both Finger and Creature are giving town pings, that means my reads have been garbage.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pmNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:21 pmWhy is that significant for you? Seems like something that a disengaged wolf could easily miss.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:16 pmNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.
Yes
I'd imagine a disengaged wolf would have teammates that would talk about and notice these things. Sure the wolf team could be Creature/fingersplints/???, but even any other player listed here would pick up on things like that.
I'm not locking in a townread for it, but I think it's more townie than not.
@Alison @MarmotBoquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:19 pmBecause I think this post opens up a window to your thought process and the realness of your read on me. Because after this post, you tried to give me an olive branch:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:36 pmI'm having a conversation and trying to explain where I am coming from -- because I'm not sure your responses relate directly to the points I am trying to make. I wouldn't bother with any of this if I wasn't interested in understanding you. Perhaps my tone is severe: I am frustrated by the state of the game and it bleeds through. This is the kind of thing that makes these interchanges problematic, unfortunately, but the thread is otherwise unmoving so whatever.Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:32 pm I really did think Wilgy would flip scum.
Okay. You aren't interested in understanding my thought processes then. You are interested in writing a case on me and framing what I say as scummy things tbh. If you are scum in this game, I will for sure nab you the next time you do it tbh!
Okay so here comes a lot of assumptions and expectations so bear with me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:38 pmI think this is really the crux of the matter, and if I understood better why this was your expectation I might be able to get somewhere.
So if you are scum, you are probably noticing that I am starting to bleed town in my answers, by me being frustrated too.
You could walk back your read here and attempt to pocket me. Or you could be ice cold scum and just say "die scum".
But you give me an olive branch, after opening up yourself, and after that olive branch, you still keep solving inside me under the assumption that I flip wolf. I think that is town indicative tbh
Not sure how I should feel about thisDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 pm Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq
Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?
This could probably look different, but yeah
I don't know if that's true, that the scum chat would have teammates that would talk about these things. I've been in a lot of games where the scum chat is simply dead, or where they mostly chat about fluff. I don't know that Seanzie townreading Creature is something that would be a hot topic of discussion in the wolf chat.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pmNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:21 pmWhy is that significant for you? Seems like something that a disengaged wolf could easily miss.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:16 pmNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.
Yes
I'd imagine a disengaged wolf would have teammates that would talk about and notice these things. Sure the wolf team could be Creature/fingersplints/???, but even any other player listed here would pick up on things like that.
I'm not locking in a townread for it, but I think it's more townie than not.
I see. I am scum candidate regardless of Ender's flip tbhDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 pm Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq
Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?
This could probably look different, but yeah
I could take you out tbh. Alison is rightRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 pmNot sure how I should feel about thisDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 pm Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq
Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?
This could probably look different, but yeah
Yes tbhBoquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 pmI see. I am scum candidate regardless of Ender's flip tbhDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 pm Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq
Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?
This could probably look different, but yeah
Thanks.Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 pm@Alison @MarmotBoquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:19 pmBecause I think this post opens up a window to your thought process and the realness of your read on me. Because after this post, you tried to give me an olive branch:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:36 pmI'm having a conversation and trying to explain where I am coming from -- because I'm not sure your responses relate directly to the points I am trying to make. I wouldn't bother with any of this if I wasn't interested in understanding you. Perhaps my tone is severe: I am frustrated by the state of the game and it bleeds through. This is the kind of thing that makes these interchanges problematic, unfortunately, but the thread is otherwise unmoving so whatever.Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:32 pm I really did think Wilgy would flip scum.
Okay. You aren't interested in understanding my thought processes then. You are interested in writing a case on me and framing what I say as scummy things tbh. If you are scum in this game, I will for sure nab you the next time you do it tbh!
Okay so here comes a lot of assumptions and expectations so bear with me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:38 pmI think this is really the crux of the matter, and if I understood better why this was your expectation I might be able to get somewhere.
So if you are scum, you are probably noticing that I am starting to bleed town in my answers, by me being frustrated too.
You could walk back your read here and attempt to pocket me. Or you could be ice cold scum and just say "die scum".
But you give me an olive branch, after opening up yourself, and after that olive branch, you still keep solving inside me under the assumption that I flip wolf. I think that is town indicative tbh
Makes it easier for me to sleep tonight tbhDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:30 pmYes tbhBoquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 pmI see. I am scum candidate regardless of Ender's flip tbhDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 pm Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq
Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?
This could probably look different, but yeah
Thank you for your support in "get Boq NK'd" tbhAlison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:31 pmThanks.Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 pm@Alison @MarmotBoquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:19 pmBecause I think this post opens up a window to your thought process and the realness of your read on me. Because after this post, you tried to give me an olive branch:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:36 pmI'm having a conversation and trying to explain where I am coming from -- because I'm not sure your responses relate directly to the points I am trying to make. I wouldn't bother with any of this if I wasn't interested in understanding you. Perhaps my tone is severe: I am frustrated by the state of the game and it bleeds through. This is the kind of thing that makes these interchanges problematic, unfortunately, but the thread is otherwise unmoving so whatever.Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:32 pm I really did think Wilgy would flip scum.
Okay. You aren't interested in understanding my thought processes then. You are interested in writing a case on me and framing what I say as scummy things tbh. If you are scum in this game, I will for sure nab you the next time you do it tbh!
Okay so here comes a lot of assumptions and expectations so bear with me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:38 pmI think this is really the crux of the matter, and if I understood better why this was your expectation I might be able to get somewhere.
So if you are scum, you are probably noticing that I am starting to bleed town in my answers, by me being frustrated too.
You could walk back your read here and attempt to pocket me. Or you could be ice cold scum and just say "die scum".
But you give me an olive branch, after opening up yourself, and after that olive branch, you still keep solving inside me under the assumption that I flip wolf. I think that is town indicative tbh
FWIW I think this post (ie. your read of Jay) is pretty townie.
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 pm@Alison @MarmotBoquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:19 pmBecause I think this post opens up a window to your thought process and the realness of your read on me. Because after this post, you tried to give me an olive branch:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:36 pmI'm having a conversation and trying to explain where I am coming from -- because I'm not sure your responses relate directly to the points I am trying to make. I wouldn't bother with any of this if I wasn't interested in understanding you. Perhaps my tone is severe: I am frustrated by the state of the game and it bleeds through. This is the kind of thing that makes these interchanges problematic, unfortunately, but the thread is otherwise unmoving so whatever.Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:32 pm I really did think Wilgy would flip scum.
Okay. You aren't interested in understanding my thought processes then. You are interested in writing a case on me and framing what I say as scummy things tbh. If you are scum in this game, I will for sure nab you the next time you do it tbh!
Okay so here comes a lot of assumptions and expectations so bear with me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:38 pmI think this is really the crux of the matter, and if I understood better why this was your expectation I might be able to get somewhere.
So if you are scum, you are probably noticing that I am starting to bleed town in my answers, by me being frustrated too.
You could walk back your read here and attempt to pocket me. Or you could be ice cold scum and just say "die scum".
But you give me an olive branch, after opening up yourself, and after that olive branch, you still keep solving inside me under the assumption that I flip wolf. I think that is town indicative tbh
I agree with this.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 pmI don't know if that's true, that the scum chat would have teammates that would talk about these things. I've been in a lot of games where the scum chat is simply dead, or where they mostly chat about fluff. I don't know that Seanzie townreading Creature is something that would be a hot topic of discussion in the wolf chat.
This is a nitpick though. I am positive on Creature still.
Which is the world we're probably in if Ender is about to flip town here. Recall Boq's null reading of Jay. I won't be here to try and do something about that if this is the case though. But remember this please
I don't think the NK says anything about Creature either way. If creature's a wolf I think it would be more about his teammates than him.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:27 pmRecalling this, Nate, but with a different question: if the NK is driven primarily by threats, then why does a Creature team kill Seanzie?NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:35 pmI think it's more likely that the NK will aimed at direct threats, rather than removing protection for a mischop. Not that it couldn't serve both purposes.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:14 pm @NateTheLesser I still owe Creature a full reassessment, but my initial perception on Day 3 is that a Seanzie kill may point to a town Creature. Seanzie protected him pretty staunchly, while people like myself and a few others that have been anti-Creature much of the game are still here. I wonder if that represents an invitation for us to kill him without the same resistance.
I was going to say that JJJ would probably not try to bus me if we were wolfmates, but then I realised that I would pretty much encourage a light bus to make me fire up a bit so yeh moot moot point tbhMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:32 pmBoquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 pm@Alison @MarmotBoquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:19 pmBecause I think this post opens up a window to your thought process and the realness of your read on me. Because after this post, you tried to give me an olive branch:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:36 pmI'm having a conversation and trying to explain where I am coming from -- because I'm not sure your responses relate directly to the points I am trying to make. I wouldn't bother with any of this if I wasn't interested in understanding you. Perhaps my tone is severe: I am frustrated by the state of the game and it bleeds through. This is the kind of thing that makes these interchanges problematic, unfortunately, but the thread is otherwise unmoving so whatever.Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:32 pm I really did think Wilgy would flip scum.
Okay. You aren't interested in understanding my thought processes then. You are interested in writing a case on me and framing what I say as scummy things tbh. If you are scum in this game, I will for sure nab you the next time you do it tbh!
Okay so here comes a lot of assumptions and expectations so bear with me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:38 pmI think this is really the crux of the matter, and if I understood better why this was your expectation I might be able to get somewhere.
So if you are scum, you are probably noticing that I am starting to bleed town in my answers, by me being frustrated too.
You could walk back your read here and attempt to pocket me. Or you could be ice cold scum and just say "die scum".
But you give me an olive branch, after opening up yourself, and after that olive branch, you still keep solving inside me under the assumption that I flip wolf. I think that is town indicative tbh
I do remember this case very well, and is one of the recent points that has me leaning town on Jay.
I don't see scum!Jay attempting to back off of his case on you while Dizzy is simultaneously pushing him pretty hard unless you/Jay are exactly teammates.
Full thoughts on Ender?NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pmI don't think the NK says anything about Creature either way. If creature's a wolf I think it would be more about his teammates than him.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pmWhich is the world we're probably in if Ender is about to flip town here. Recall Boq's null reading of Jay. I won't be here to try and do something about that if this is the case though. But remember this please
People are so allergic to null reads smhDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pmWhich is the world we're probably in if Ender is about to flip town here. Recall Boq's null reading of Jay. I won't be here to try and do something about that if this is the case though. But remember this please
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:47 pm I need to go, there's backup issues I need to sort and me on this forum won't help.
IF I FLIP DO NOT GO AFTER DIZZY OR RONDO.
You can think about them if we actually get to f3, otherwise fuck off.
THERE IS AT MOST ONE WOLF IMO IN CREATURE/NATE/BOQ
I think there's a wolf in Nate but I don't think that's his partners if so, and if he's town I don't think more than one of Boq/Creature is wolf.
I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST ONE WOLF IN ALISON/JAY
This might be wrong and I'll feel stupid if I am but I believe it.
MARMOT/FINGER/LUCY PROBABLY HAS AT LEAST ONE WOLF IN IT
I am constantly revising this last part so eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:49 pm That's my legacy.
I could be way off but I feel that in my jellicles.
You all go and flip a wolf for me. I'm outtie.
That's kinda what I am getting at. As you've suspected Creature have you given mind to potential teammates?NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pm I don't think the NK says anything about Creature either way. If creature's a wolf I think it would be more about his teammates than him.
