The Syndicate

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:41 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:13 pm btw

PORSCHA SHOULD BE TREATED AS AN OUTED WOLF AT THIS POINT IN TIME DUE TO HER BEING IN ANTISPEW


If you want something to do go ahead and preflip her and analyze spew okay?

you think i fear antispew

or do you think i fear 100 pages on day 2

get real lmfao

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:43 pm @Lilypetal say the word and I will make the most based reads list

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:10 pm I go now. Again I will be V/LA tomorrow the 9th through 13th. Sanzi & Mac I leave this in your hands, don't let Alison wiggle free! Also if I die tonight then I have a red check on Illario and I was buddying and sheeping him today in order to get him to spew townies. Rrrr Mateys! I'm off to the grand line, one piece shall be mine!

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:43 pm @Lilypetal say the word and I will make the most based reads list

do it

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:45 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:43 pm @Lilypetal say the word and I will make the most based reads list

do it

do you want it color coded

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:45 pm Yeh I expected that. But I am letting you know that you arenot alone and we can realtime / you can ask me questions and that sort of stuff. Just to not make it more uphill that it would be to try to get a grasp on the game lol

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:47 pm Also my avatar is really cute I cant help it but admire it everytime I post.

I am oficially simping myself

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:46 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:45 pm Yeh I expected that. But I am letting you know that you arenot alone and we can realtime / you can ask me questions and that sort of stuff. Just to not make it more uphill that it would be to try to get a grasp on the game lol

what is your current poe and have people been role claiming at all

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:40 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:35 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:33 pm why ender btw illario

im trying to figure out who would have the most wolfy vote on u and i suppose its ender? (im probs being uncharitable here because i dont even remember his push on you lol)

cham if not santy

i think cham playing the way he has is towny specifically for cham but i probs wont hard shield the slot if others disagree with my read

You have a meta shield?

Also is it a hard town shield or could be 3p shield

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:46 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:45 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:43 pm @Lilypetal say the word and I will make the most based reads list

do it

do you want it color coded

yes

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:53 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:46 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:45 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:43 pm @Lilypetal say the word and I will make the most based reads list

do it

do you want it color coded

yes

great then I will make this very easy to read

Neon
Lilypetal
Belzy
Rondo
Santy
Ender

Ilario
Millium
Chamo

Allison
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie
Tilg
Dya

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:54 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:53 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:46 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:45 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:43 pm @Lilypetal say the word and I will make the most based reads list

do it

do you want it color coded

yes

great then I will make this very easy to read

Neon
Lilypetal
Belzy
Rondo
Santy
Ender

Ilario
Millium
Chamo

Allison
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie
Tilg
Dya

wow so much scum good work

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:49 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:46 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:45 pm Yeh I expected that. But I am letting you know that you arenot alone and we can realtime / you can ask me questions and that sort of stuff. Just to not make it more uphill that it would be to try to get a grasp on the game lol

what is your current poe and have people been role claiming at all

Lily claimed to have mech that could solve your alignment.
Belzy claimed allegedly by Mac to be a desperado 1 shot neighborizer, so they are on a hood and Mac effectively is green checked if true.

My current solve is Alison/Porscha/Tilg/Seanzie + 1

The +1 in Rondo/Ender/Belzy probs.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:55 pm Can you talk to me about your Rondo read?

Take into consideration that unless Belzy and Mac are W/W , Mac should be considered Greenchecked too

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:02 am ah yes the old "my wolf teammate put me in a hood and was scummy there on claim so we should chop him" w/w gambit

very good @santygrass

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:02 am ah yes the old "my wolf teammate put me in a hood and was scummy there on claim so we should chop him" w/w gambit

very good @santygrass

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:19 am

Spoiler: show

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:18 am I think that if Alison is town almost always one in Ender/nook should be mafia tbh.

So like, if you want to be more fair and without bias from my own read.
Nanook/ender/alison doesnt feel like a pure group so solving in there might be good

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:38 am

Spoiler: show

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:40 pm My role gives me a bonus if I have no vote at EOD. Therefore I will not be voting in the poll. I will not be claiming exact details or flavor in order to avoid a soupkill. I will still use the vote tags to indicate my strongest suspicion.

Anyway Rondo is mafia.

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:52 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:00 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:41 pm Milium town Seanzie town.

Why am I town?

You are out of your scum range.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:53 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:06 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:41 pm Milium town Seanzie town.

I think ur probably town but can you explain these two reads ?

See above for Seanzie.

Milium is town because they are a completely fresh face in the middle of an extremely insular playerlist that all know each other and have lots of experience with each other and still come off as the most relaxed and comfortable person in the thread.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:54 pm I rescind my townread on Seanzie because he didn't get offended enough when I said he was out of his scum range.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:56 pm Rondo is being reasonable and townie and solvey which means he is lock mafia.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:58 pm Just to be clear I have a bonus if I don't vote but I can still vote if I want so if voting is more important than getting the bonus (eg. tie between me and my scumread and I need to self pres) I will.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:54 pm Wisp is town clearing me for claiming my role in post 1?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:58 pm Okay well that's weird and suspicious because I don't think Wisp's knowledge of me should lead him to do that.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:59 pm @Millium Haven't you seen me do bold fakeclaims before?

Alison SoD I think was the towniest by far in regards to how they were giving reads and that sort of stuff. Even if alison is a wolf their SoD was the more pro-villa one with how they were just putting their reads out there imo
Also I think likely unpaired with Wisp

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:41 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:06 pm Currently at the Neon post.

Aro
Wisp
Seanzie
Neon
Rondo

My scumreads

Mac shielding Aro and Rondo

I trust Mac so take the other three as my immediate POE

There are good odds that this is all town fwiw.
Is alison a power-wolfy type of player?
Like, I only see from there rondo or Seanzie being Wolves. And if Porscha is a wolf f.e, then I think Rondo is less likely. Same stuff in W!dya V!seanzie scenarios .

Or maybe Rondo is mafia there and they are using Mac shield too tbh

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:43 am Btw the power-wolfy type of player I need answered by people who know Alison because if not I think usually a list with various names as PoE without any wolf I usually indicate it more towards lack of TMI tbh

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:47 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm SPF progression on Illario was decent

Tilgarial feels like they're working alone.

Townleans for both.

@Alison is this your first time playing with Tilg btw? Have you read champs sf2 or finale?

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:49 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:33 pm Millium, Porscha, Santy, Lily, Aro.

Of those with votes, these are the wagons I can tolerate.

Aro and Millium are both a step above in preference (ie. I want them dead more).

Here are minimum 4 Town too btw.

I think Porscha likely a wolf there but Idrc them pushing Porscha or going there ? We'll see later in the ISO i guess.

But anyways Alison is super off irt to reads and its worrying

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:51 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:49 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:18 am I think that if Alison is town almost always one in Ender/nook should be mafia tbh.

So like, if you want to be more fair and without bias from my own read.
Nanook/ender/alison doesnt feel like a pure group so solving in there might be good

Why?

Because doesnt feel like town violenece onto Alison at all imo. I dont vibed much with the way Alison was pushed maybe.

But now I am rereading and vibing less with alison as a whole so on hold

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:52 am And also like, the way alison reacted to the push maybe add onto my feeling that it isnt full of Villa's there?

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:55 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:06 pm Porscha is an ok exe. Would prefer Wisp or Aro but this is fine.

Wowee post if Porscha is mafia

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:12 pm I feel apathetic because I am set in my reads and short of someone towning it up super hard or outing themselves I doubt I'll change them. Everything I am reading has made me more and more certain in those reads. I know it is confbias but I love being confbiased so that's fine.

I'm not gonna vote unless it's a really dire situation. So there's not much point in me sitting around here arguing with people for the next 7 hours especially since the current wagons are very okay with me anyway. I'm just going to do what Nook does and post my reads and then chill. Ping me if someone towns it up super hard or outs themselves. I will probably check in in the last few minutes just in case I need to self pres or if the wagons are tied between Mac and Aro or something silly.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: Lilypetal, EnderWiggin, Porscha, santygrass
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Rondo, Neon
Shrug: dyachei, Chamomile, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

If you're not on here it means you're meh.

And like .. if Porscha/Tilg are indeed W/W , this amount of wolfsiding of Alison is crazy LOL

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:28 pm There is about an 80% chance that I will be mechanically locked town by D2. It's not deterministic since there's potential stuff that could mess with it (esp in a closed setup) but it exists. So if there's a doctor or similar they should be on me.

Displeased that nook voted Alison still smh

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:26 pm Actually I'm going to drop some respect to Lily and trust her Santy shield.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: EnderWiggin, Porscha, Rondo
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Neon
I scumread by Lily is shielding and I trust her: Santygrass
Shrug: dyachei, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie, Lilypetal, Chamomile
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

This is a bit better cuz they moved a kinda PoE slot to town and trusted a shield on another town player, that goes a bit against the PowerWolf Alison Perspective I was making ik my head while thinking of how W!Alison approached this game

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:37 pm SPF could you explain your votes on me and then Tilg? Do you genuinely think those are the most likely to flip mafia?

Standing Emoji

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:08 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:54 pm I just got a clarification for my role, it's not that I get a bonus if I don't vote, I get a bonus if nobody votes for me

jeez

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:54 pm Nobody is allowed to vote me now or town loses a PR

I still kinda townread the derp. But looking at Alison reads and people stating that Alison tends to fakeclaims I am not going to weigh that much fwiw. At least not so much looking at the Tilg confident townread or the lowkey shield on Porscha. Or how they talked to spf with why they voted her / Tilg.
Like, that post explains quite a bit why spf was killed and perfectly makes sense in a world where Alison is worried about the spf godreads tbh

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:18 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:56 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:54 pm I just got a clarification for my role, it's not that I get a bonus if I don't vote, I get a bonus if nobody votes for me

jeez

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Intresting. Well my mech town read is gone now lol

Don't worry if everything goes right you'll have me as mech town by tomorrow anyway.

@Alison are you 3p? Like ffs you should be more salty at nook for their vote. Specially considering that you said your role was clearing, and you are okay with being a wagon?
Like I expect you to say 'get off me stop throwing I can clear myself easily' but you not boosting that or using it as much makes me think it isnt clearing and you were being performative.
So I would like for you to expand on what is your approach to your wagon and what do you think of your role

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:03 pm Wisp has just moved from "top scumread" to "policy exe".

This read didnt hold up.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:23 pm Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

If we think Dya/Seanzie is a diff check. I think the wolf is most likely Seanzie in a W!alison world . My thoughts just looking at the ISO tbh.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:31 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:27 pm Personally I would vote Wisp even if he's town because he's a liability.

And if he flips town, how does that change your perspective?

Chamomile moves into my lock towns, and I have a long talk with you. Then I start hunting for who I miscleared on the Wisp wagon.

I think the approach alison was stating near EoD like... Didnt hold up at all today? And makes me lean more into it being fake.
Like, I dont remember alison pressuring much Wisp at all and its just keeping them in sidelines tbh

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:54 pm What reason do you have to suspect Tilg?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:55 pm Tilg has treated me in an incredibly townie way.

Standing Emoji. The amount of confidence in the Tilg read is lynch worthy.
Because they either
A)Havent played with Tilg before so they shouldn't have this confidence
B)Have played/spectated Tilg before and should know that their reasons for clearing Tilg are bad ones IMO

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:25 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:13 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:06 pm According to you voting out a town Wisp would immediately out half the mafia team when people aren't willing to follow you on them... why are you reluctant about it?

Bruh, I don’t vote my tr to prove a point.

It’s a win/win because either wisp dies due other people voting him and then whoever is town on the wagon will realize or, Porscha dies and likely flips mafia which will change a lot of people’s minds as well lol.

Like a Porscha flip also helps people realize that wisp is likely town based on gamestate thread with voting movemengs

hahahaha no

if porscha flips mafia I am gonna shoot wisp in the night regardless. He is a liability and must be killed

Alison felt SO strongly about Wisp and I feel like Alison didnt tackle or pushed Wisp today and I think that is kinda outing ngl.
In a sense that the perspective Alison puts in the thread doesnt holds up + wolfsiding

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:27 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:29 pm

Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:16 pm

Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:14 pm @Millium give someone a gift to not vote you and vote Alison unless she unvotes you

Actually vote Alison unless she votes Porscha.

I have hard claimed that I have a powerful townsided PR that is unlocked through me not getting any votes.

Anyone who votes me is essentially outing as scum... so if Millium votes me I'm going to vote him 10x as much and see it as a last ditch effort for scum to try to take away a town PR while going down.

Alison not slapping nanook for their actions, or signal boosting this irt to their wagon today, just makes its far more likely that it was indeed a fake claim.

Nook was right all along and I had the skill issue !?!?
Stop this I want to leave

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:32 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:24 pm also alison the only reason i wasnt burying aro with you and mac earlier is because i wasn't here. i was pinged by his posts in the last few pages the moment that i actually read him

Ok i trust u

I will be shot tonight so if spf is mafia this is just me giving her the usual d1 pass and u are all bad for not listening to my warnings to make her do stuff

If she is town i was right to trust her

I think these type of posts + them kinda bothering spf for not being there and 'burying wolves' just speaks to me as Alison clearly being wary of spf this game LOL

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:36 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:07 pm Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:07 pm Porscha, Santy also good exes. I'll give Nook a day.

Also. Seeing this I would say that Alison had their vote on Porscha most of the day. And its a point against tha PowerWolfy Alison with Tilg/Porscha as partners.

But like, I dont recall them doing much to push Porscha? Idk I'll keep reading onto this day.

And also, good odds of Nook/Cham being a difference check too in a W!Alison world just because they treated them like night and day Lol .
Cham> Outed scum you should die
Nook> Weh nook thing. I'll give him a pass today

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:50 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:17 pm why is cham very likely town btw al?

I don't know if they're very likely town but I am very open to the possibility that they are.

Reasons would include:

1) I think Porscha is likely to be mafia and Cham wanted us to kill Porscha.
2) Wisp is more likely to be town (shielded hard by Aro + a significant reason to scumread Wisp, ie. the tag teaming with Aro and other assorted partnery interactions, is gone), and Cham wanted to shield Wisp.
3) Aro thought Cham was town (iirc, correct me if wrong).

This progression on Wisp doesnt feel right /shrug.
Or at least it rubs me as not expected from alison reading how strongly they felt about Wisp D1 lol.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:23 pm I have a townread on dya because I thought their EOD treatment of Aro isn't as likely to come from a mafia.

Idk I think I missed the quote, but later Alison said that they didnt had a strong read on dya when Mac asked. Thats prob a non w/w treatment lf dya fwiw , because Alison could easily try to slide this specific read to throw light onto a partner .

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:32 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:31 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:36 pm [VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

In hindsight bolded feels like an... Obtuse question? Like, the reason is obvious that a wolf would feel threatened by a player voting them . And I reached to sus both of you in the end so you were kinda right in the end alison hmmyes

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:36 pm Tilg being on both SPF and Aro scum lists is a bad look for them.

Bye bye the confident townread. Never talked about it again when thread started suspecting Tilg. Their read on tilg was FAKE

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:07 pm I do agree that you should be permitted to attempt to mech self resolve yourself and that you were disallowed that on day 1 was a misplay.

There's a random element to my role which means I only self resolve 80%ish of the time (plus minus some % in case there's role shenanigans at play) but 80% is a pretty big number so if you want to policy me if the 20% hits I don't mind. Since that would be a pretty unlucky scenario and I'd have to play as someone who failed to self resolve for the rest of the game... I don't mind a policy in that case.

Alison is... So quiet about this. Like ffs if I were in their shoes I would be screaming at town for misplaying and not just let me resolve? Like wtf Mac even signals it too and she just 'agrees' and even says its okay to be policied or something?
Feels less and less genuine lol

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:54 pm Porscha is probably volume tell outed

This is the most aggro post irt to Porscha. Compare how Alison is treating Porscha/Tilg to how they were pushing Wisp and aro yesterday and its kind of night and day tbh .

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm @Alison if you had 3 dayvigs who do you flip for max mafia death potential?

Tilg Porscha Santy

Be surprised if that doesn't yield a ripe harvest of pelts

I agree with this tbh. But Alison even tho it seems to be on the correct read of Tilg/Porscha isnt pushing much for it at all and only seems like a standby vote on Porscha.
Also smh killing me you bish die

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:53 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:35 pm My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

I think this most often than not is a read that comes from a scum mindset tbh.
And like, I am not even sure its clearing for Cham and could be easily be W/W theater lol. But I'll think about that later

Putting my posts about Alison ISO in one post, for easy referencing purposes. And pelt purpose ofc .

@Tilgarial lmk your thoughts on it when you have time

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:54 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:54 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:53 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:46 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:45 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:43 pm @Lilypetal say the word and I will make the most based reads list

do it

do you want it color coded

yes

great then I will make this very easy to read

Neon
Lilypetal
Belzy
Rondo
Santy
Ender

Ilario
Millium
Chamo

Allison
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie
Tilg
Dya

wow so much scum good work

I know you're being sarcastic, but thanks anyways

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:36 pm So I wrote this with the viewpoint that it would be read after I flip green when I thought EOD was in 2 hours and I was locked in as the exe. If you currently don't believe I'll flip green then that's fine, you can save this for if/when I get voted off and read it then. Or treat it as a hypothetical. Up to you.

I have an extremely good track record at obtaining multiple pelts when I am voted off because I am good at identifying the people on my wagon who are there for genuine reasons and the people who are mafia. So you should sheep me. If you don't sheep me then I'm not responsible for the consequences.

The people on my wagon are as follows: EnderWiggin, Chamomile, santygrass, Neon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

It is absolutely guaranteed that there are 2+ mafia on this list. I am a claimed PR and the arguments against me are bad but the players voting me aren't trolls which means that there is malicious intent here.

Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game. I have too much respect for his play to consider the possibility that he might be wrong town and he wasn't even this bad in Spiritfarer so I have no choice but to deduce that he is pretending to be Spiritfarer Santy in order to justify his openwolfing.

EnderWiggin has done absolutely nothing that is townie but Aro shielded him so I guess he can live for a while more. But he has a pretty bad track record reads wise so I'd say he's on thin ice and should be made to do townie things.

Chamomile is playing exactly as I would expect a 3P to play. Assuming they are not 3P my first instinct would be that they are town and not mafia because of the lack of self preservation instinct along with the fact that they are setting up to park on me and do nothing but haven't done so. I don't really understand what their agenda is if they are mafia which suggests they don't have a mafia agenda.

I'll sheep Illario on Neon and say she is mafia especially since she has weird mech question marks surrounding her.

Nanook is an interesting case. Overall I think he has actually been playing like town Nanook but it hasn't escaped my notice that he is playing in a very scum sided way (roleblocking me D1 and vote parking me D2 with no explanation given). There are reasons and justifications and it's why I haven't gone after him harder. My honest suggestion is to pick off the obvious mafia (outlined above) first and then policy Nanook for scumsiding if he's still alive after that. If he has a way to clear himself he would have used it by then. Or be killed for it.

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Next we will examine the rest of the game. Tilgarial and Porscha are top suspects for reasons I have already explained. Lilypetal and Macdougall have both been playing obscenely closely to their town meta and are either snowing me or just town. I will presume the latter since I have seen no evidence they are snowing me. Macdougall is shielding Belzy so let's assume he's right about her.

Illario is perhaps the most likely to be actually snowing me but I find it hard to disagree with his reads and solve. That is to say either he is town or I am inting. If you follow this legacy and it becomes clear that I am not inting then you can probably give Illario the thumbs up until endgame. dyachei has been playing in a mostly unobjectionable way. I actually think there is a chance they are wolf skating by but the correct way to deal with this possibility is simply to catch their teammates and follow the trail back to them. This averts the possibility that they are simply town because it is very unlikely that they will be a prime target for being falsely spewed as mafia partners with a wolf. So if you find the trail you know it's real, if you don't then you can let it rest for a bit. Let's hope that dyachei's partners aren't good at anti spew if they are maf.

Rondo and Millium are two players that I policy every game so perhaps someone who is not me will have a more objective eye on what to do with them. I'll be lazy and make them someone else's problem to sort.

Seanzie is obscenely town. I am just going to take him as lock town, if he is town then I am right. If he is wolf then I don't mind getting snowed and will update my read on him in the future to avoid it happening again. Let's see how that goes.

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I am pretty confident that following this blueprint will take you at least 80-90% of the way to winning the game if not 100% of the way. I am content if I die today because I believe that enough mafia will have outed themselves in order to push my death that we can win the game off that. The important thing is to not let them go because they have good tone or whatever nonsense and to simply hold the people who wrongfully killed me accountable. Town cannot lose if we play in a manner to maximize accountability and good order.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:07 am /vote betsy

i changed my mind. stick with the original plan. let lily resolve porcha and we kill belly

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:13 am i never said that they outed themselves and i believe we need to wait until they explain themselves in the thread

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:13 am i never said that they outed themselves and i believe we need to wait until they explain themselves in the thread

okay, then ill vote sleep until they do.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:15 am And their play was and handling of Porscha cant understand how it would be wolfy? ELI5

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:18 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:15 am And their play was and handling of Porscha cant understand how it would be wolfy? ELI5

its that the progression was a little sudden to me

i think lily and porcha are friends? i could be wrong. but i just feel as though if lily could mech clear porcha they would resist the wagon there a bit more than what they are doing rn by calling them outed and saying we should start reading porcha for spew. it feels a little performative maybe

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:18 am Fmpov , Lily progression was

Porscha wolfy
*Porscha posts at SoD*
Porscha looks towny
*Time passes*
Okay Maybe my tr there wasnt good. *Doubts Porscha again*
Starts sussing there again and outs that they had mech that could help there.

Porscha kinda feels thread outed

Why do K want to use mech to solve went it feels like a wolf flip anyways? Lets just yeet there


Its how I construct it in my mind

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:20 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:18 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:15 am And their play was and handling of Porscha cant understand how it would be wolfy? ELI5

its that the progression was a little sudden to me

i think lily and porcha are friends? i could be wrong. but i just feel as though if lily could mech clear porcha they would resist the wagon there a bit more than what they are doing rn by calling them outed and saying we should start reading porcha for spew. it feels a little performative maybe

But the fact that they claimed solving mech ln Porscha and Porscha disappeared from thread for so long seemed like a wolf outed and I think its a fair read for Lily to have.

I think in a W!Lily and V!Porscha worlds, having TMI Lily would be more likely t resist it, or at least not signal hoe Porscha was frozen and just leth the villas go there naturally but dont push

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:24 am Tilgarial's posts today were pretty freakin' townie. Not all the way townie. But townie.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:53 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:46 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:45 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:43 pm @Lilypetal say the word and I will make the most based reads list

do it

do you want it color coded

yes

great then I will make this very easy to read

Neon
Lilypetal
Belzy
Rondo
Santy
Ender

Ilario
Millium
Chamo

Allison
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie
Tilg
Dya

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:14 am lilys progression from townreading porcha into wanting to use mech to save porcha today into now calling porcha outed has gotten me worried, hence why i am not sure if going for porcha is any longer the correct play today.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:18 am Fmpov , Lily progression was

Porscha wolfy
*Porscha posts at SoD*
Porscha looks towny
*Time passes*
Okay Maybe my tr there wasnt good. *Doubts Porscha again*
Starts sussing there again and outs that they had mech that could help there.

Porscha kinda feels thread outed

Why do K want to use mech to solve went it feels like a wolf flip anyways? Lets just yeet there


Its how I construct it in my mind