The Syndicate

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:54 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:47 am Lorab isn’t doing anything so far to make me townread her, and frankly is rather blendy in her entrance posts.

Though I don’t remember how LoRab operates. It’s been a while

That feels better! Pretty sure you suspect me in every game for some version of that reason.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:14 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:05 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:02 pm If my Scotty/Cape w/w tinfoil is right I'm going to be really happy.

does wolf!scotty immediately call wolf!cape's entry blendy? especially when cape just wolfed confidently in severance, therefore scotty knows that cape is a solid wolf and can play and maneuver on his own. seems too good to be true even though i had a similar though and quickly dismissed it

Yeah, it's actually pretty common to immediately FoS a partner. An early push was what tipped me off to the YOLOSWAG2/JC2 pairing in the MU game.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:59 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am Scotty reads entirely civ to me. Even though he needs to stop padding his post count. That always makes me suspish of people, although I know that isn't a tell for you. But I'm reading you as civ other than that.

This is NAI activity and Scotty usually posts a lot

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:29 pm To help folks with the lingo:

"rand town" or "rand mafia" refers to probability. If someone is "rand mafia", that means they have the standard probability of being mafia (in this game, 4/16 or 25%). If someone is ">rand mafia", they are more likely than the standard probability of being mafia (more than 25%).

I personally don't like using that lingo, but it helps if we all know what it means.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:21 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:59 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am Scotty reads entirely civ to me. Even though he needs to stop padding his post count. That always makes me suspish of people, although I know that isn't a tell for you. But I'm reading you as civ other than that.

This is NAI activity and Scotty usually posts a lot

Having now looked up NAI, I don't agree. It can be, but isn't always. Very much depends on the player and how it is being done.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:20 pm I feel embarrassed to admit I didn’t realize >rand meant more than neutral. That makes so much more sense

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:26 pm I hadn't noticed the elimination save on Rupert's role. That's... extremely powerful, and by far the most powerful thing in the game, and given the challenge already present, a bit deflating. But we must remain engaged and keep our spirts high.

Yeesh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:35 pm I am considering dropping Scotty as a premier town read. There have been a few doubts raised that at least piqued my interest, and I want those dialogues to develop before I commit myself to that viewpoint. For the time being I will place him in purgatory.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:09 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:40 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.

Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I don't really have any yet, or didn't as of this AM. My posts are a commentary, that's how I develop reads.

You seem a bit more aggro, and less considered, than I tend to associate with you. You're a person who weighs and balances, and this feels kinda the opposite, almost a bit jumpy.

Jay asked me a question about LC, I talked about how I feel about LC. Scotty is freaking me out. It doesn't mean I find any of it AI.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:26 pm I hadn't noticed the elimination save on Rupert's role. That's... extremely powerful, and by far the most powerful thing in the game, and given the challenge already present, a bit deflating. But we must remain engaged and keep our spirts high.

Yeesh.

A) how do you not notice that, after giving a treatise on how to approach this game
B) I don’t think it’s as powerful as you are making it out to be- it feels contextual. Is there an announcement made? Are they removed from the thread? Can they use it only on themselves? I can only see it as a last resort thing for mafia, because it immediately puts a target on whoever it’s used on.

I’m not so sure you didn’t know about this

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:42 pm No, but which doubts are you talking about?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:38 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:35 pm I am considering dropping Scotty as a premier town read. There have been a few doubts raised that at least piqued my interest, and I want those dialogues to develop before I commit myself to that viewpoint. For the time being I will place him in purgatory.

Yeah, did you like that S~V~S reaction to him? I thought her point sounded legit.

I thought S~V~S seemed a bit dramatic in that response, and I don't actually know if "I have never seen this before" is true -- but if so it'd be worth consideration. I think your gripe was valid about Scotty calling your wacky "drunk" post a town post.

I don't recall seeing this before, no. Scotty is always skeptical of me early game.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:19 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:17 pm I'm somewhat confused by people seeming to think that me saying Scotty is freaking me out a bit is somehow tonally weird or over the top. But OK.

I suppose I found it "dramatic" in that, when Scotty said you hadn't tripped his alarms, I think you had made exactly three posts. So it's not surprising that no alarms would be tripped in so few posts.

Scotty and I play almost all the same games, we're "boosters" I guess. And I can tell you that in almost all of them, if not all, I don't remember every post in every game, he shows some level of skepticism of me very early. And the fact that he was town reading me in three posts after a year of that, yeah. I found that to be freaky.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:27 pm Scotty and I play almost all the same games, we're "boosters" I guess. And I can tell you that in almost all of them, if not all, I don't remember every post in every game, he shows some level of skepticism of me very early. And the fact that he was town reading me in three posts after a year of that, yeah. I found that to be freaky.

@Scotty, can you please clarify if you were or were not town reading S~V~S in the post below?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:53 pm Ehhhhhhh- I was not seeing anything wolfy in her posts at that point.

Call it null without calling it null- I don’t use null, so it was a towny point in a sea of gray

Clear as mud?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:27 pm Scotty and I play almost all the same games, we're "boosters" I guess. And I can tell you that in almost all of them, if not all, I don't remember every post in every game, he shows some level of skepticism of me very early. And the fact that he was town reading me in three posts after a year of that, yeah. I found that to be freaky.

@Scotty, can you please clarify if you were or were not town reading S~V~S in the post below?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

This is sincerely the most positive thing he has ever said about me on Day One. Bank it.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:42 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:59 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am Scotty reads entirely civ to me. Even though he needs to stop padding his post count. That always makes me suspish of people, although I know that isn't a tell for you. But I'm reading you as civ other than that.

This is NAI activity and Scotty usually posts a lot

Hmm...I don't like this

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:56 pm I think your being cleared way to easily just for posting a lot and being loud

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:56 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

Go drunk, LC, you’re home

No! Well yes. But no! More next break --->

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:28 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:16 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

But this is an unhinged towny post

OK, but really. Baddie LC doesn't let himself post silly/drunkish comments.

Are you sure?

--> cont'd from above: WAS it an "unhinged towny post"? Is everyone okay with JJJ's question? It blew my mind last night because I didn't feel like it was asking ANYTHING. Is it towny or wolfy? "On-brand"? So, what, is JJJ worried that I'm not really me right now? Is that what he's confirming with S~V~S??

And I still can't even handle "on-brand or not (or neither)", like, what? Are we trying to determine if I'm quasi-semi-myself before we try to think about alignment?

How does this stuff not make other people question it? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? If it has no meaning, then what does that say about JJJ?

Forget it, I don't even care.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:07 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 am I assumed the swear jar was a joke, but I could be wrong!

I mean, it could be....but it seems weird to phrase it that way in the roles if it isn't important. If a civ curses, do we give money to Giles (sorry, Rupert)? Or do we take money away from him? Seems like it would be prudent to not risk giving mafia more power, and keep our language clean.

Also, hi, to all!! And, I'm Lorab :Lorab: for those I don't know. I'm an old timer, and have been convinced to come back, lol. Important thing to know is that I have a super quirky schedule, and many times that are great for everyone else are, well, not great for me. So, I'm sometimes MIA. The RAB in my screen name stands for Rabbi--and yes, I actually am. And, that means that weekends are weird. Just so you know.

For what it's worth, I'm reading LC as civ. And I mostly agree with him. Weird. I also thing J3 is probably civ, although keeping a note in my mind that he might just be acting aggressively civ to avoid suspicion, but I'm not feeling that at least for the moment.

So nice to have you back LoRab!

In case others don’t know, this emoji is hers.

This is mine

JJJ is firmly a neutral town lean- he’s adding to discussion so he is a boon to town atm regardless
LC is not quite on my town radar yet. Lean scum

Good. I don't give you permission to townread me.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Humoring Jay? Nah. I kinda thought I was shading him a slight bit, tbh, with the call back to the game where he was bad.

How would saying jay fooled everyone as a baddie in a game, and pointing out that he was contradicting himself by being super active be "humoring" him? Poking someone with a small, soft stick =/= humoring.

Noooo, sorry, I was loose-verbing it. You weren't "humouring him", you were "humouring in", as in, entering the thread on a little wave of mild humour.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

I like this S~V~S read of Scotty. Maybe she ain't that bad, and he is.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:35 amLike Caterpie into Metapod, I have evolved!
After being utterly wrong about you before we were partners, I figure what I once viewed as suspicious in a vacuum is just you.

You have some quirks that i picked up on that I’m not going to reveal yet. But rest assured, dear Svs, I haven’t seen them so far. Just don’t do them and we’ll be golden

Absolute red flag. The secret S~V~S tells that he has, that he of course isn't sharing. This feels like a lie toped with a cheers for extra smoothness.

I feel like SVS would know if Scotty had secret tells on him or not and so lying about this wouldn't make much sense from Scotty.

This sort of meta read about Scotty suspecting SVS every game can go w/t either way or t/t. The only thing I think it's unlikely to be is w/w. If Scotty suspects SVS every game and both of them know it, mafia Scotty might go out of his way to suspect SVS again or he could change it to pocket SVS. SVS's post felt dramatic, with not much substance other than that it's freaking her out and I'd expect that post to go with a read or investigation on Scotty.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:00 pm @Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:21 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:00 pm @Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

Check his on-brand.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:00 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:56 pm I think your being cleared way to easily just for posting a lot and being loud

We can resolve JJJ later. I almost never feel like he’s a good D1 vote unless every other player is, like, Aristotle


Tho tbh playing with a bunch of philosophers sounds like a fucking nightmare so nm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:52 pm I’ve turned around on Cape- even tho he doesn’t have a lot of posts, what posts he has made are actual reads. Obviously I would like him to expand on them, but he’s making definitive reads

Thunal on the surface looks fine with their reads, if not making reads that come off as half baked. And no one wants a half baked pie, except maybe the stray cat that hangs out on my patio after dark. He’ll eat anything.
Scumlean

the only thing u said about me was that my entrance was the most blendy and that hardly counts as a read that warrants you declaring you turned around on me.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:14 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:54 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:47 am Lorab isn’t doing anything so far to make me townread her, and frankly is rather blendy in her entrance posts.

Though I don’t remember how LoRab operates. It’s been a while

meh I can say the same thing about SVS tho too

Like I’m not even sure she made a read when she was weirded out by me in her recent post.

Ima figure her out

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

OKay but it is seriously Scotty, he isn't comfy at all and I am starting to sus him way more then SVS

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:17 pm To quote Scotty: "in their own words, they have no idea what they are doing".

Robyn, I know its hilarious, but your posts seem probably better spent elsewhere.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:22 pm He doesn't feel right, like i know last time i played with scotty basically pocketing him that i was looking through a scum lens, but he is just like posting a lot of weird things and has pointed out blendy beginnings for some reason as if that's totally Alignment indicative

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:59 am If I critically assess LoRab beyond a vibe town read:

I think her aversion to being town read stems from an older Syndicate era when essentially everyone hated being town read (due to old win conditions).

Perhaps LoRab’s confidence in her town reads of LC and especially of me can be questioned. To suggest my play to that point was “too detailed to be fake” is a bit much.

I think there’s probably a difference in approach since she seems to inference the olde ways, but actively is pushing back against people townreading her. It’s like she *knows* she isn’t doing anything towny, and can’t help but acknowledge it

this seems extremely ungenerous too as it was posted pretty early into the game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:31 pm At this point I have seen enough from others suspecting Scotty and felt good enough about it that I am fully demoting him to a mafia read. And he might be my only mafia read. Other suspects are just null.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:29 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:31 pm At this point I have seen enough from others suspecting Scotty and felt good enough about it that I am fully demoting him to a mafia read. And he might be my only mafia read. Other suspects are just null.

So just to be clear- you’re on board because others have found independent indictments, and you yourself are just going along with them.

Oof. This might be bad Jay after all

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:38 pm Someone tell me the cases for the lead wagons, I'm stuck in work hell and going to see the kids tomorrow so activity/reread time will be light today if at all.

Scotty/Thunal.

Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:38 pm Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?

Scotty > Cape90 >>>>> Bereft

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:59 pm Cape is also pretty questionable. Will think. New arrivals will be essential.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:33 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:38 pm Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?

Scotty > Cape90 >>>>> Bereft

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Full on OMGUS mode. I know I said Jay shouldn’t be D1’d but circumstances change and I feel like I’d be remiss if I missed this again

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:40 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:32 pm @JaggedJimmyJay what are your top reasons for sussing Scotty?

It would be dishonest of me to call them my reasons, because I am kind of sheeping this one right now. But I think some others raised valid gripes or were otherwise convincing:

- Scotty calling Long Con's "unhinged" post towny was goofy.
well gawrsh
- As S~V~S climbs the town ladder, I give her instinct more credence (that Scotty was off in resisting LC's suspicion of her)
- His read on LoRab didn't actually make sense (this thing) -- acknowledging a "difference in approach" with respect to her aversion to town reads and then basically ignoring that difference when suspecting her.
I don’t understand this point. The point I’m making is exactly that her different approach is different and it is me parsing whether or not it is genuine or not
- Bereft has never openly town read Scotty, and I think he has a strong grip on the game right now.
- I decided my own town read was biased by my desire for players to be involved, and he was the first to take up that banner.

I might add one new gripe: his suspicion of you seemed kind of opportunistic. He even agreed with your reads

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:41 am I don’t understand this point. The point I’m making is exactly that her different approach is different and it is me parsing whether or not it is genuine or not

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:44 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:40 pm This is something I actually think is towny for Scotty. Why would wolf Scotty weaken his push by saying he agreed with my reads? I feel like wolf Scotty would just go after me rather than giving credit to my reads especially if one was right. Even if they were both wrong I think he'd either push me harder or pocket me by finding common ground as mafia.

I read that the opposite way. It's not so much that he "waffled" on you or lost confidence about you, but rather he disproved his own read of you.

He called your reads of S~V~S and LoRab "half baked" based on frivolities (they "came out of nowhere" or were "not strong", whatever those really mean), and then he granted why they weren't half-baked... all while keeping his vote on you. In this instance, I don't care much about what "mafia Scotty" would or would not be likely to do from the standpoint of "how to handle Thunal", but rather I have to ask "was this ever a real read at all"?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:45 am I think you’re looking ahead as if I only vote once in a game and dip. I found Thunal’s reads up to that point half baked, but they weren’t. I’m not even sure I suspect thunal anymore.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:03 pm @Thunal33, I had the same thought that Cape's quick flurry of anti-Scotty propaganda might be more about getting out of trouble than actually suspecting Scotty. However, he made some points I thought were legitimately compelling too.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:48 amI do really believe he really believes what he is spewing.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:52 pm I’ve turned around on Cape- even tho he doesn’t have a lot of posts, what posts he has made are actual reads. Obviously I would like him to expand on them, but he’s making definitive reads

Thunal on the surface looks fine with their reads, if not making reads that come off as half baked. And no one wants a half baked pie, except maybe the stray cat that hangs out on my patio after dark. He’ll eat anything.
Scumlean

this post is actually disgusting, but i have to read cape's posts in the interim, either way blahhhh, early shade on cape who is the easiest mischop on this side of the mississippi is just not a good look for a player of scotty's stature and understanding

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:15 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I'm probably most comfortable with my vote here for the night.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:26 pm I hadn't noticed the elimination save on Rupert's role. That's... extremely powerful, and by far the most powerful thing in the game, and given the challenge already present, a bit deflating. But we must remain engaged and keep our spirts high.

Yeesh.

A) how do you not notice that, after giving a treatise on how to approach this game
B) I don’t think it’s as powerful as you are making it out to be- it feels contextual. Is there an announcement made? Are they removed from the thread? Can they use it only on themselves? I can only see it as a last resort thing for mafia, because it immediately puts a target on whoever it’s used on.

I’m not so sure you didn’t know about this

A) I didn't read and fully absorb every line of text in the role list. I grabbed what stood out to me, primarily the numbers ratio, and talked about that. Because 12 vs. 4 is a difficult game.
B) An elimination stop one of the absolute strongest abilities a mafia team can possibly have (alongside resurrection, recruitment, and elimination switches). Even if they use it on one of their own and "put a target on them", they cause town to waste an entire day phase and an entire elimination. That is gargantuan power. If it weren't for the "2.5 million" cost attached to it, I would feel like this game is close to impossible for town.

I don't know why you propose I'd "pretend" not to notice that. It's publicly posted, so anyone can find it. I didn't see it.