Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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this is worse than that time i was called a squareMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:54 pmur so basic112 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:52 pmt/t is the most sophisticated readMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:51 pm Yeah this argument is boring and just cloggifying.
Oh look, there goes 112 making a 't/t' read again.
God, I miss being at schoolMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:53 pmMy day is the same as every weekend day for the last few months.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:52 pmSeems I turned up to the thread at the worst time.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:51 pm Yeah this argument is boring and just cloggifying.
Oh look, there goes 112 making a 't/t' read again.
How's your day Radishes?
But at least it's the half-term now.
i dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt beJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:55 pm @tutuu
I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.
at least from my povWhat I'm trying to say is, what should a townie look out for to read a town!tutuu correctly. Like, you can sort of see where the frustration and paranoia is coming from if you mimic your town play exactly as scum.tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:58 pmi dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt beJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:55 pm @tutuu
I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.
but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)
Okay, I did a more thorough look and the only actual insult I found was her directly calling Mac biased here (and "tunneled" at a few points if you consider that an insult):MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:45 pmI fact-checked the first response post and I don't see any "insults":MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:30 pmOkay. Sure. That's a better reason and less vague than "panicking".Syn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:27 pm I mean, you just need to read her responses to Mac, and everyone else during Mac's casing. She immediately resorts to insulting him and pretending as though she's the victim of some maligning that she's helpless against. She demands a case, gets provided it, and then says she can't work under these conditions, and then uses that to dismiss the case, lol. C'mon.
I still disagree though, and I hold onto my town-read of Tutuu. I think both Mac and Tutuu are town.
Everything else was either attributing negative adjectives to things that are actions rather than people themselves or they were logic-based responses to Mac's beliefs, arguments, and claims.tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:46 ami refuted your stuff when they were making sense and you were approaching things with a clear headMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:44 amyou asked me to give you stuff to refute but when I do I'm "death tunneled"
Cute.
Verbalise how you had such a strong townread on Thunal?
you are clearly scumreading everything and anything, you are biased and have a knee jerk reaction to call everything i post scummy
i had a strong townread on thunal due to my experience with her, she was in her town meta and i had wrongly scumread her before in grassland so i knew how she can come off as scummy
Not that you're asking me, but I do believe a bit strongly into what I said earlier:Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:01 pmWhat I'm trying to say is, what should a townie look out for to read a town!tutuu correctly. Like, you can sort of see where the frustration and paranoia is coming from if you mimic your town play exactly as scum.tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:58 pmi dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt beJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:55 pm @tutuu
I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.
but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:20 pmI'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:28 am tl;dr
Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.
If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.
Additionally, though I haven't mentioned this earlier, I do believe Tutuu gave much more concise or higher quantity/quality of reads in this game (the early game that is) that I felt was on a level completely distinct from her previous scum-games. I think in her scum-games she's a bit more cagey with the information (or lack thereof) she gives in reads, at least in the early game.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:21 pm Well, I mean, I feel like !wolf Tutuu really has a "teamwork" or "for the team" effort spirit to it. I doubt she would waste an opportunity she could have optimized if she knew the flip of a player that was possibly getting deleted.
I apologize if it seems a waste of time to you, but to me it felt absolutely worth my time because Tutuu is town and she's on 6 votes.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:09 pm I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time
a player being good at scum and mimicing their town game flawlessly doesnt mean that u should needlessly vote them for no reason. that gives u exact rand chance to net a scum flipJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:01 pmWhat I'm trying to say is, what should a townie look out for to read a town!tutuu correctly. Like, you can sort of see where the frustration and paranoia is coming from if you mimic your town play exactly as scum.tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:58 pmi dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt beJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:55 pm @tutuu
I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.
but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)
EbwopMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:19 pm For comparison I think it took more than 36 hours on D0/D1 to get more than 5 votes on any single player if I recall, maybe more.
thanks buddy, especially if you're townMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:18 pmI apologize if it seems a waste of time to you, but to me it felt absolutely worth my time because Tutuu is town and she's on 6 votes.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:09 pm I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time
So whether it is or isn't a "waste of time" isn't entirely up to you bud
From my understanding, nobody is voting tutuu because of subjective 'insults', so I feel it isn't really productive?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:18 pmI apologize if it seems a waste of time to you, but to me it felt absolutely worth my time because Tutuu is town and she's on 6 votes.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:09 pm I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time
So whether it is or isn't a "waste of time" isn't entirely up to you bud
I've not seen tutuu's scum game so I can't comment. I know tutuu was scum in bread mafia but I don't know how that went (even though I was in spec-chat lol)MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:15 pmNot that you're asking me, but I do believe a bit strongly into what I said earlier:Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:01 pmWhat I'm trying to say is, what should a townie look out for to read a town!tutuu correctly. Like, you can sort of see where the frustration and paranoia is coming from if you mimic your town play exactly as scum.tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:58 pmi dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt beJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:55 pm @tutuu
I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.
but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:20 pmI'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:28 am tl;dr
Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.
If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.Additionally, though I haven't mentioned this earlier, I do believe Tutuu gave much more concise or higher quantity/quality of reads in this game (the early game that is) that I felt was on a level completely distinct from her previous scum-games. I think in her scum-games she's a bit more cagey with the information (or lack thereof) she gives in reads, at least in the early game.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:21 pm Well, I mean, I feel like !wolf Tutuu really has a "teamwork" or "for the team" effort spirit to it. I doubt she would waste an opportunity she could have optimized if she knew the flip of a player that was possibly getting deleted.
At minimun, if she is scum here, her scum game has improved and that was one of my original reasons for town-reading her as I believe she was close to being outside of her scum-range. Its just seems that some people's WIFOM-eters are distorting their perception of where that scum-range ends.
No snowflake ever feels responsible for an avalanche or blizzard.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:22 pmFrom my understanding, nobody is voting tutuu because of subjective 'insults', so I feel it isn't really productive?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:18 pmI apologize if it seems a waste of time to you, but to me it felt absolutely worth my time because Tutuu is town and she's on 6 votes.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:09 pm I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time
So whether it is or isn't a "waste of time" isn't entirely up to you bud
I saw Mac's case and I didn't really understand it at the time, though it was early in the morning iirc.tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:19 pma player being good at scum and mimicing their town game flawlessly doesnt mean that u should needlessly vote them for no reason. that gives u exact rand chance to net a scum flipJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:01 pmWhat I'm trying to say is, what should a townie look out for to read a town!tutuu correctly. Like, you can sort of see where the frustration and paranoia is coming from if you mimic your town play exactly as scum.tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:58 pmi dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt beJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:55 pm @tutuu
I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.
but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)
i understand not having me in top tier towns cuz i could always be wolfing, sure, but like, didya see mac's actual case? did u see syn's case? like please look at them, for real, thoroughly. i believe that i am able to remove myself from my bias and to call both cases on me illogical and lacking substance or merit even though im the subject of them
the only scumread given on me that has some logic is when mac pointed out how i constantly swapped my reads on cat and thunal. thats it
everything else is absurd and i invite you to, if you want to, check it yourself and form an opinion for yourself
about reading me, perhaps you could just, i dunno, look at the moment and read my soul? idk
like marmot is hard to read and is super good as scum and yet im confident that he's town here even tho his scum range is huge
dya is an amazing scum player and everyone told me "wtf tutuu how can u townread dya by their opening posts" and yet i did and i was right
in conclusion: just be correct
kMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:27 pmNo snowflake ever feels responsible for an avalanche or blizzard.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:22 pmFrom my understanding, nobody is voting tutuu because of subjective 'insults', so I feel it isn't really productive?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:18 pmI apologize if it seems a waste of time to you, but to me it felt absolutely worth my time because Tutuu is town and she's on 6 votes.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:09 pm I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time
So whether it is or isn't a "waste of time" isn't entirely up to you bud
I will scrutinize every argument, and I believe I have combatted and responded to every response as to "why tutuu is on 4 votes" when I came into the thread.
That also means she got two more votes while I was here, despite my re-emphasis she's just town and my arguments for why.
At the very least, if she is town (AND I 100% BELIEVE SHE IS), then I have no doubts there are some hungry wolves (at least one) on that train to delete her. So if that happens despite my efforts, we'll have a better idea who to look at.
Last 3 in order:
If this includes sleep you should really get some! Not good to go to sleep under stress or under a small amount of time.
I know you didn't ask me, but I wanted to link my most recent scum game for anyone interested (which finished today): https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/118/t2 ... fia-day-3/
Who is this referring to (for posteriority)?
I didn't, it was sarcasmMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:06 pmfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:06 pmTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:58 pmI'm gonna hard push Falcon to make sure we don't have a runaway under your overpowering will.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:55 pm Cat will be the day 1 chop. Sorry about your vanity cases. Make comfort with this fact people.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:10 pmDeuxThe progressions. Like lines in the sand ever so unparalleled. Always destined to cross paths and to arrive at their final destinations. Written in the stars like death.
[giant case of quotes on Cat after his minutes earlier paragraph on Cat being scum]
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:16 pm [unrelated quotes snipped from quote]
I don't really know. TBH, I don't really care at this point.
I am town, and breadcrumbed info about my rolecard. Take it for what it's worthIt took them 19 hours to look into or vote cat despite not only responding to a post mentioning cat is scum, but also being present at the time Mac puts out the case when falcon says he has no idea?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine
Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?
[For context, when he was saying "I don't know", he was seemingly being sarcastic towards Tim and for some reason wanted other players to motivate him to do ISO's...]
like wth you don't do this as any alignment IMO
and why did the cat vote requisite needing to go through the ISO
Yeah, I bitched about preflip associations, and I was...tested...by my paranoia about Mac...but the associatives case on Cat was a hit, and that IMO proves Mac town and makes his case on Made really solid. Unless someone hands me a better wolf on a platter I am very likely to just take this one and glide on towards day three.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:26 amTutuu votes cattutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:41 pm[VOTE: cat] aubergine
i have to reach but there are 0 scummy posts posted itt fmpov so im aiming at this
perhaps cat could be scum for pre-emptively explaining "If you had no reads at all it would be very towny but this sticks out as a sore thumb." to his scumread syn
perhaps, if one was town, its more likely that they wouldnt pre-emptively "reveal their hand" like this to a scumread of theirs
Tutuu townreads cattutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:11 am tutuu
MacDougall
nutella
Michelle
Sloonei
Syn
Made
Timsup2nothin
112
cat
Thunal33
MartinGG99
Marmot
falcon45ca
Dyslexicon
JackofHearts2005
DrWilgy
JustPlayingitcool
Long Con
Master Radishes
sig
TurnipHead
TonyStarkPrime
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena
Kylemii
Alison
Tutuu hedges to null on cat when I asktutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:40 pmi saw some towny stuff and some scummy stuff im at nullMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:39 pm @nutella @Sloonei @Timsup2nothin @Michelle @tutuu @Alison @Master Radishes
May I bother you to read Cat's ISO and give me a summary pleeeease.
Tutuu gives bad evidence for her read when askedtutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:42 pmtowny sass and humorMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:40 pmWhat was towny and what was scummy?tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:40 pmi saw some towny stuff and some scummy stuff im at nullMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:39 pm @nutella @Sloonei @Timsup2nothin @Michelle @tutuu @Alison @Master Radishes
May I bother you to read Cat's ISO and give me a summary pleeeease.
scummy logical post scumreading syn by pointing out one game content post of syn stick out like a sore thumb
Marmot calls her out on her bullshitMarmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:55 pmBut you even voted for cat earlier!tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:44 pmlike cmon its there u read his iso right. calling something npc conversation. telling sloonei "and yet u have 150 posts"MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:43 pmWhere was the sass and humour?tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:42 pmtowny sass and humor
scummy logical post scumreading syn by pointing out one game content post of syn stick out like a sore thumb
Tutuu decides spending the time to make me look like a joke was a valuable use of her timetutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:07 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:00 pm You will be first against the wall when Cat flips Mafia.
Justifies getting her vote onto the cat wagon and off Falcon via a Falcon townread. Offers over wordy reasoning for it. And the mac stuff is just nonsense.tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:44 pmwait i missed this postfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:27 pm1 of the ISO's has like 10 posts. You acting like the 3 of you had a lot of depth to your ISO's is disingenuous.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:23 pmI think doing three ISOs in ten minutes is a noteworthy thing.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:19 pmI'm not sure my thoughts are significant. I guess I'm LHF town, cuz I've done nothing significant or noteworthy thus far, which seems to be enough to condemn me for some.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:15 pm @falcon45ca penny for your (actual significant) thoughts?
BUT! I'm not gonna fade away, no no! Not on Rex Manning day
The claim that you are just an easy chop for lazy folk is disingenuous.
You're literally calling me scum for not spending enough time stroking your ego with your ISO. Sorry, I don't belief in participation ribbons. I gave your ISO as much time as I felt it needed.
this is towny
[VOTE: cat] aubergine
if this is right cool i can tolerate mac
if this is wrong i will have grounds to tell mac to knock it off
win-win situation
lol
and much like cat himself, spends some time at EOD to randomly defend Thunal.tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm i still think thunal is town, i dont for a second see anything scummy she done, her voting falcon instead of the big cat counterwagon lacks self-preservation, i dunno whats anyones problem is with her at least im not seeing it, she seems to be playing her town game in my eyes
Opens day 2 voting for Falcon who she literally townread on day 1 to the point of jumping wagon.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:13 pmi dont think being the cw in such a big game means a lot, chances of w/w wagons arent small, i want to resolve them, its usually the job of town KPJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:12 pmDo you mind explaining?
My suspicion of falcon has kinda dropped now with Cat's flip, and wondering if it was the counter wagon to save cat
There you go Tutuu, you managed to talk me into casing you.
Shouldn't town rejoice at only one death? Dys seems almost disappointed112 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:50 pmi'm scumreading dizzy but watfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:26 pmThis is not a town mindsetDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:50 pm ONE death in a game this size?
I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.
Yeah fuck man ur smartMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:34 amI think that the switching from voting, to green, to null, with having not engaged cat at all is >rand mafia.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:31 am I can forgive individual posts and read switches within that case, but it's the overall plinko board style of handling Cat that I find telling.
I think that saying they had "towny sass and humour" as their reason to townread them back to null is >rand mafia because sass and humour are no towny things (exclusively).
I think that the way she townread Falcon in order to get her vote onto the cat wagon is >rand mafia especially in light of the fact that she just put her vote straight back on Falcon at the start of day 2.
I think that the fact that she defended Thunal, like cat did, and then Dya died, is also >rand mafia.
That's four separate things that are >rand mafia.
So ergo, Tutuu is in fact >rand mafia.
it's highly NAIfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:21 pmShouldn't town rejoice at only one death? Dys seems almost disappointed112 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:50 pmi'm scumreading dizzy but watfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:26 pmThis is not a town mindsetDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:50 pm ONE death in a game this size?
I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.
zzzzztutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:12 ami looked over the wagons, acknowledged the cat mafia flip, started thinking how would mafia play out the eod, came to a conclusion that cat was likely bussed due to the way things went (also coz he didnt even try to claim a role), i also like pretty much all voters on the falcon wagon, i dont think it was dirtyMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:10 amWhat has Falcon done since the towny post yesterday EOD to encourage you to be back to mafia reading and voting him?
from my understanding of game theory flipping falcon is really important to make more sense of day 1
