Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Considering I haven't I would guess that I really don't have to.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:32 amYou have to look at it as her being healed by the mafia from your perspective.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:27 amIt would be more suspicious if there hadn't been a duplicate & in-most-cases redundant same-alignment healerMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:30 amits weird that gnome isn't outed from your perspectiveMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:00 amMac -> Gnome -> LoMoJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:26 am All y'all: who would you include in your POE pool of exactly three mafia suspects?
I haven't really checked on LoMo recently nor compared him to Allcrab yet.
Mac & Gnome could be switched if I'm convinced it's possible and not implausible that there's two town in Mac/Alison. I just feel a bit surprised that both of them are alive up to this point along with JJJ and Sloonei.
after that I've basically made fewer mechanical assumptions or certainties
there's also other lesser reasons such as the fact that poisoner is 3P and could have some sort of limit (such as flavor) in exchange for some other benefits; I have 0 prior experience with 3P poisoners
WackMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 amConsidering I haven't I would guess that I really don't have to.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:32 amYou have to look at it as her being healed by the mafia from your perspective.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:27 amIt would be more suspicious if there hadn't been a duplicate & in-most-cases redundant same-alignment healerMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:30 amits weird that gnome isn't outed from your perspectiveMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:00 amMac -> Gnome -> LoMoJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:26 am All y'all: who would you include in your POE pool of exactly three mafia suspects?
I haven't really checked on LoMo recently nor compared him to Allcrab yet.
Mac & Gnome could be switched if I'm convinced it's possible and not implausible that there's two town in Mac/Alison. I just feel a bit surprised that both of them are alive up to this point along with JJJ and Sloonei.
after that I've basically made fewer mechanical assumptions or certainties
there's also other lesser reasons such as the fact that poisoner is 3P and could have some sort of limit (such as flavor) in exchange for some other benefits; I have 0 prior experience with 3P poisoners
There's more than one way to save people.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:34 am That's like saying "Oh, you're a doctor. You previously protected Y. Clearly since X survived they must've been protected by a mafia doctor instead of some role-block on the attacker"
I can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 am I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.
You're evidently a townie with an identical role to a dead townie. We have seen literally zero other people with the same thing that weren't masons. If you believe there to be two town healers you should be assuming Gnome was healed by mafia ergo is mafia. But instead youre just subsisting off the moisture of the Jay tree and have me as numma 1 POE for whatever reasons.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:34 am That's like saying "Oh, you're a doctor. You previously protected Y. Clearly since X survived they must've been protected by a mafia doctor instead of some role-block on the attacker"
How about "has done nothing to progress the mafia wincon".JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 amI can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 am I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.
succesfullyMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 amHow about "has done nothing to progress the mafia wincon".JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 amI can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 am I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.
I am a winner.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:37 amsuccesfullyMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 amHow about "has done nothing to progress the mafia wincon".JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 amI can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 am I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.
There is 0 mechanical basis, incentive, or reason for me to perceive that from my position given what has happened with the game and the notable oddities it has had.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 amIf you believe there to be two town healers you should be assuming Gnome was healed by mafia ergo is mafia.
You could also presume that there exists a mafia healer. Do you think Mac is that mafia healer?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:43 amThere is 0 mechanical basis, incentive, or reason for me to perceive that from my position given what has happened with the game and the notable oddities it has had.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 amIf you believe there to be two town healers you should be assuming Gnome was healed by mafia ergo is mafia.
If I were suspecting Gnome, then sure. I could suspect that maybe they were healed by themselves or something. But I don't need to be a town 1-shot healer in order to suspect Gnome. And there is no "should".
town mvpTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:42 am flashback to when Alison said her Poe was just Mac and TSP and I was so annoyed that I got Mac out of it
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:33 am Owner is town here for me. Scum owner wouldn't play in a way its get her lynched this easily. She is being too blunt and too shady to be scum here.
in which i cleared myself as owners partnerMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:39 pmShe is capable of distancing. She is also incapable of hiding when she is baring fangs trying to kill LHF. There are stark differences in her treatment of actv and lost monkey vs. owner, not just including her own posts but also the thread sentiment and context.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:25 pmIs she incapable of distancing?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:24 pmCome on Sloonei.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:21 pmIs she incapable of distancing?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:17 pmit doesn't matter nutella is transparent when she is trying to chop someone earnestly, it's the same with lost monkeySloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:16 pmall of nutella's act suspicion was very early on when no one was actually at risk of being chopped.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:51 pm actv is just town tho, nut was genuinely trying to chop the perceived lhf lol nutella spew is real
What about her Owner read?
What about her Owner read?
in which i am obvious town for this readslistMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:01 am Act maybe
Gnome maybe
Made maybe
OC maybe
Allcrab maybe
Martin ... no?
Lost Monkey no
Bad Bunny ... I kinda think we need to sheep Allcrab?
fun lomo postlost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:08 amShould use it on act or nanook probably.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:06 am1 shot uni back up. Has the desperado shot. Wants input on who to shoot.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:05 amsloonei has claimed? I haven't caught up, just saw the kills and came to that conclusion.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:02 amSo you don’t believe Sloonei’s claim? Can you explain why? The way I’ve thought about it: if he is scum making this claim, what purpose does it serve? We seem to believe there can be multiple roles this game so it wouldn’t really hard anyone enough to cc. If he has a kill, why not just use it secretly?lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:57 amIts possible but I don't think so.
would that not be the point?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 am On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.
I don't think there's a mafia healer, and I don't think there's more than one mafia.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:44 amYou could also presume that there exists a mafia healer. Do you think Mac is that mafia healer?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:43 amThere is 0 mechanical basis, incentive, or reason for me to perceive that from my position given what has happened with the game and the notable oddities it has had.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 amIf you believe there to be two town healers you should be assuming Gnome was healed by mafia ergo is mafia.
If I were suspecting Gnome, then sure. I could suspect that maybe they were healed by themselves or something. But I don't need to be a town 1-shot healer in order to suspect Gnome. And there is no "should".
lomo fun happy hour reduxMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:22 amSloonei would die.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:21 amclearing people is still clearing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:19 amIs that sufficient for Sloonei to shoot at him? I think Nook is town.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:18 amSomewhat had a town lean on him D1, but right now i got nothing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:14 amwhy?
I’m not interested in what could be true in some hypothetical. I’m interested in what IS true. If nutella wanted to chop lost monkey they’re probably not teammates. One just has to wonder how far nutella would have taken it. I suspect she’d have taken it far since her case followed a case on lost monkey that I had made myself. She was allowing me to serve as the driving catalyst of her mischop and nudging it forward herself.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 amwould that not be the point?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 am On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.
im scared daddy hold melost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:52 am Lol Mac if you are scum, you shouldn't try this hard to get me lynched, it won't end well for you.
and yet here I am with a power that isn'tlost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
maaaybeJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:53 amI’m not interested in what could be true in some hypothetical. I’m interested in what IS true. If nutella wanted to chop lost monkey they’re probably not teammates. One just has to wonder how far nutella would have taken it. I suspect she’d have taken it far since her case followed a case on lost monkey that I had made myself. She was allowing me to serve as the driving catalyst of her mischop and nudging it forward herself.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 amwould that not be the point?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 am On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.
Yeah no.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:55 amand yet here I am with a power that isn'tlost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
Why would it have to be one shot? It’s not very strong.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
fun how you had nothing to say until someone started pushing on you and now suddenly I'm mafia.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:56 amYeah no.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:55 amand yet here I am with a power that isn'tlost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
I am not going to get you chopped lomo you can stop melting like a snowman.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:56 am Pretty sure after Mac lynches me, the next target would be allcrab lol.
It depends on the situation and how he uses it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:57 amWhy would it have to be one shot? It’s not very strong.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
That’s why it’s not very strong.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:58 amIt depends on the situation and how he uses it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:57 amWhy would it have to be one shot? It’s not very strong.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
I still don't think you are scum over Alison. Gnome I can't read so I don't mind a lynch there.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:57 amfun how you had nothing to say until someone started pushing on you and now suddenly I'm mafia.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:56 amYeah no.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:55 amand yet here I am with a power that isn'tlost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
that doesn't super line up with what you just said but ok whateverlost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:59 amI still don't think you are scum over Alison. Gnome I can't read so I don't mind a lynch there.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:57 amfun how you had nothing to say until someone started pushing on you and now suddenly I'm mafia.lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:56 amYeah no.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:55 amand yet here I am with a power that isn'tlost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
I think the game is 95-99% likely to be mech locked in tsp + gnome. If there's two mafia and gnome doesn't end it then martin is outed as the mafia poison healer who saved gnome so it's still mech locked.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:04 am One can never be too prepared for the unexpected.
I think the game is over though.
