The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:40 am I already did the juliets review you mentioned speedchuck.

@juliets which team am I on?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:39 am W h e n
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:48 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:28 pm ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

There are no certain civilians with JJJ. That's a major problem at this stage. By now he would have clear opinions. Fickle. Would not touch. Would not even give him a stimulus package check.

Epignosis is a suspect for wasting time talking about me when I already have a 7-1 poll lead

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:26 am One thing to be certain y'all assess when I am gone, and I suggest you assess it aggressively and interrogate the hell out of each other, is how players who've voted for me have justified doing so. That applies to this phase and previous phases.

This is a crucial Day 8 on which the game may turn, and it has become a dead space where literally everyone who isn't me has planted a vote on me and then gone off to take naps. You've done the mafia's work for them, and you've made their lives extremely easy today. Change that when I'm gone or I am going to be upset.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:55 pm Sloonei on juliets

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:46 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:39 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:56 pm LOL, no but I love our Turnip, he's one of my faves so that would put you in good company. But alas, you are kind of a grey radish so far.

You have not made much of an impression on me either way, you have not said much if anything on topic, but this post tells me you certainly are aggressive, and I like that.

So tell me, now that you are posting on topic, what about my posts make you think I'm bad?

Linki @Sloonei i, good to know. It felt to me like youwere using him to appear like standard Sloonei, but it's been a while for me, and it's only Zero.

Okay, one more serious-sorta post then I'm going to bed.

Your posts sound like they could have been written by a baddie. E.g. over-explaining thoughts, suggesting what scum are going to try to do as a result of mechanics x, trying to list nearly everyone (even those that haven't checked in)...all traits I see scum do/do myself when scum.

So you go in my pink pile. It's too early to have proper red reads but your posts have, twice now, pinged me.

This is the most significant post in Radish’s ISO and it strikes me as the kind of opportunistic Day 0/1 suspicion that mafia could latch onto. Granted, everyone is new to Radishes here so it’s understandable that he’d lack strong reads early on (it’s not even Day 1 yet), but I don’t see him being much of an assertive presence in here so far. I’d think he’d want to lay the ground work to produce reads, at least.

Sloonei, I don't agree with him about S~V~S but if this is not laying the ground work to produce reads what is? I don't understand what you are expecting from him. Can you explain it a little more?

I’m saying this is the extent of his reads, and it’s not very inspiring.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:10 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:51 pm Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I don't agree that it's necessary for everyone to have a lot of reads this early but I understand your point.

I certainly would not say that that's the case either. My point is that I have no reason to read Radishes as town. I picked out the most substantial post I could find in his ISO, and there was nothing in it that would be impossible for an evil radish to say or do.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:00 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:56 pm I appreciate Radishes content, but I still don't trust him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But also

[VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

I've not seen anything for her that sticks out or anything that she couldn't also just say as scum. I cri evertim.

I am currently town-reading juliets. Can you convince me otherwise?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:06 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:00 pmI am currently town-reading juliets. Can you convince me otherwise?

No. There's nothing there afaic.
Can you explain why you read her town?

My perception of town juliets is that her early-game efforts are mostly spent keeping tabs on things, making sure she understands what's going on, before diving into things later on. When I've caught her as scum in the past (once, maybe twice?) it was because she was a bit flat and not so forthcoming. She's looked more like the former so far here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:30 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:16 pmYou've been saying this all game and haven't even hinted at a reason why. Why?

Well, strike the beginning of the game, cause I hadn't even read your posts. But I don't really remember much from your posts tbh. So maybe a better question is - what does your reads look like at this point?

Jack, SVS, juliets, sig are town.
nutella and ted are a tier below but still town. I think I feel good about Michelle too.
I tend to trust Jay out of the gate because we think along similar lines. If I find myself disagreeing with him down the road, he becomes a suspect.
Radishes is the only solid suspect that I have right now. I would like to branch out from that, but I'm lacking energy.

I have expressed most of these reads prior to now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:25 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:28 pm @Sloonei you mentioned you had mislynched Colin in the past for similar behavior (I think that's what you said). Can you expound on that at all?

I don't know if I said "similar behavior", but what I've mislynched colin for in the past is his tendency to hang back and provide reads at his own pace. It's easy to misread that as a tentative, behind-the-action scum player, when in reality it's just been a behind-the-action civilian trying not to overstate his thoughts.

I have not looked closely at his posts in this game so I can't give you a detailed interpretation of what he looks like here. But that's my general warning against lynching Colin.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:54 pm I've maintained a comfortable town read on juliets all game, but I should note that there have been a couple of instances that made me raise my eyebrows a little bit. By themselves they weren't much, and I still don't know what the angle is to read them as "suspicious", but they exist. I'll try to dig them up when I can.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:37 pm I did not mean to suggest that you were necessarily misrepresenting my words intentionally, though that possibility had occurred to me and I did not want to dismiss it outright. But it's not a pivotal part of my concerns here. I don't even know if this constitutes an accusation: I simply noticed a similar thing happening on two separate occasions with you. I'm not used to this from you, so it was noteworthy. Maybe it's purely coincidence. Maybe the confusion is on my end. But it's a thing that I observed and I didn't want to sit on that. My vote is on you for the sake of discussion more than anything else, for the record. If the day was ending right now, I don't think I'd want to vote for you.

I apologize if I've upset you at all with this. Let's start that dialogue. Tell me where else you've had not great feelings about me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:40 am Even in death, nutella tunnels me.

I moved my vote off of Mac because it’s early in the day and I want to use my vote to emphasize discussion. I made this same point when I voted for juliets. I make this same point in most games that I play. A vote on Mac at this stage just maintains the status quo. He’s a candidate to be lynched and I don’t object to that. I’d like him to do more things so I can have a clearer sense of where his head’s at in this game. But I don’t need my vote to be on him to get that to happen right now. G-man is another candidate who’s not getting as much attention, so I put my vote on him instead. I am aware of the deadline and will cast a meaningful vote when that is approaching.

I’ve made a version of this post a hundred times before.

Thank you for your thoughts, ghostella.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:32 pm Responding to juliets ISO post about me:

I make no apologies about my radishes suspicion. He stood out to me when the game was just getting started and I’ve continued to feel that way. I am open to other names and have been making an effort to explore other options today. Also when I called him “evil” I was just trying to be cute and come up with alternative words for “baddie”, “scum”, “mafia”, etc. Because I’m just so clever. I think I also threw around the word “naughty” earlier. I wasn’t trying to be manipulative. Just silly.

As for everything else you said about my activity and engagement, I’ll blame it on the sickness. But I disagree with the point that I don’t take a long time to figure things out. Maybe it comes across that way because I’m loud and assertive, but I’ll often go into Day 3 without a lot of confident reads. I can’t just scan the thread and make snap judgments of people, I rely on my process. Sometimes the games takes a while to open up. Being sick knocked me off my rhythm for a few days and stunted my Day 1. I try to be as open as I can when I’m communicating my reads, so if I don’t have many strong ones I’m going to say as much. I feel like I have a better grasp on the overall layout of this game than I did 36 hours ago, but it’s still not as great as I’d like it to be.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:54 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:50 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:46 pm Now I like sabie.
Is Mac or Jack a good lynch?

I could lynch Mac. I think lynching Jack is a bad move.

Sloonei are you seeing bad Mac or just not seeing good Mac? It's probably in your ISO but I've been in too many ISO's today and it's drowning me in a river of words.

I had one particular issue with Mac that makes no sense to me if mac is a civilian. Other than that he's a shrug. I am colossally inept at reading MacDougall and his big D.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:50 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:43 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:39 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I like your points about G-Man's post.

which point stands out the most to you?

The point about why you are the worst offender and the point about why exactly S~V~S and I are a problem. So for example, I'm not troubled that he finds me a problem but he didn't explain it and didn't answer me when I asked about it.

Are you clear on why you are the worst offender?

I am not. I'm not even clear why I'm on the list at all (I get what he has said, I just don't understand why he regards it as a bad thing). I believe I've asked him about this already.
I see that your vote is currently on G-man. How confident is that read? What other names are you considering?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:31 pm God, am I going to have to choose between MR who I've had a town read on for 2 days or Mac who I don't see as scum at this time? This is impossible.

G-man just became equally as viable as Radishes imo. How do you feel about him?

linki: hello, i appreciate the confidence. but why are am i responsible for your vote, juliets?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:37 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:31 pm God, am I going to have to choose between MR who I've had a town read on for 2 days or Mac who I don't see as scum at this time? This is impossible.

G-man just became equally as viable as Radishes imo. How do you feel about him?

linki: hello, i appreciate the confidence. but why are am i responsible for your vote, juliets?

Sloonei, no I'm sorry, you are not. I made the decision.

I know, sorry I didn't mean that as in you were putting in my hands. I mean why are you citing me on this vote change? What is the exact reason for it?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:52 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 pm Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)

I can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.

what is michelle's meta and why/how is she not on it?

I expect more from her by now in terms of reacting to stuff and asking a lot of questions. She's kinda like juliets in that she asks a lot of questions, and (somewhat unlike juliets) I believe that it pretty strongly indicates her town meta when she does, and she has a hard time replicating it as scum. I know she was offline for a bit but I still feel like I haven't seen as much as I expect from her since day 1.

Sloonei

Noted. I see you also compare her to juliets. I forget which game Michelle was scum in recently. Maybe i'll dig that up later. I'm distracted by america's dumb election results right now

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:33 pm My smoking gun with sig is a specific moment in his handling of Radishes: during sig’s lone Day 2 post, he suggests that he had laid out his thoughts on Radishes in an ISO somewhere, but a thorough investigation of sig’s posts reveals absolutely no substantiated read on Radishes. If there’s a slip, it’s that. It has the feel of a player who had intended to produce a bullshit case on his teammate, but then never got around to it and simply forgot that was the case.

Sloonei, just playing devils advocate, I liked this point when you first made it but couldn't it be that town sig had started making notes on a Radish case but then never presented it and thought he had? I'm just trying to make sure, Mac has shaken my resolve a bit.

It’s possible. But I’ve pressed sig on this issue throughout the day and he hasn’t provided anything close to a satisfactory answer to this point, or any point relating to Radishes, which leads me to believe that he’s shaken and trying to downplay it because he doesn’t have a good answer in him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:42 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:40 pm Lol you guys are very funny. I want to gnaw off my hand.

but then how will you type?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:45 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:39 pm sig's still a top suspect.

I don't understand Sloonei.

Nothing about mac’s flip changes anything about my read on sig. Why would this have changed?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:15 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

my methods of hunting put me two scum on a plate

and i think i have a really good point on juliets so i want people to hop in.

I was talking about people talking about sig’s slip.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:30 pm I have been keeping an eye on the thread though and have a few general comments.

I get skepticism, but Jack's suggestion that one of myself, Jay, or juliets must be bad feels arbitrary. I'm not totally willing to write them off as suspects, but I have no urgent reason to regard them as suspects and can easily envision a world where they're both town.

The case against ted is the most intriguing new development I've seen today. The Jay case is paranoia bullshit at the moment as far as I can tell. I'm not sure why nanook has votes, but one of them is from sig which is goofy.

RIP Ghosts

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:21 pm Jack, Dom, and juliets are not on Mac’s team. Everyone else is on the table as far as I’m concerned.

The anti-monitor is between Jay, Tony, Epi, or Dom for me. Dom seems the least likely of the bunch. I have no explicit reason to eliminate G-man, but I am not feeling that it’s him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:27 pm Actually maybe there was something to my Michelle theory. I see no harm in bringing it up again. Who the hell knows at this point?
For reference:

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:43 am This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

But if the theory is that the anti-monitor was on level 2, then this thread’s evidence points more to Jay or G-man, I think. Certainly not speedchuck, and I’d be shocked if it was juliets. Maybe it is her.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:02 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:46 pm So only you can be zen?

Seriously though, your posts are sleepy. The game is not in a good place. That's a contrast.

That’s a me thing, not a game thing. I’m still here and still trying to solve things, but my mafia energy isn’t at its peak.

I think the votes for you are wrong if the theory is that you are on Mac’s team. I think they have merit if the theory is that you’re the anti-monitor, but I don’t think that conversation is closed. Epi and Tony can be in the conversation too. Juliets and Jack are my tinfoils.

I think ted is a good bet to be on Mac’s team. Interactions, POE, and his behavior today all point to it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:23 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:13 pm @Sloonei ^ ^

See my response.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:58 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:23 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

No. Why are you being so dismissive?

G-man entered at the last moment without a vote. It was three way race between Radishes, Mac, and TH. G-man chose Mac because he didn’t trust me, and my vote was on Radishes at the time.

That’s a tremendously bad look and a clumsy play of G-man is a teammate of Radish. It’s also a completely unnecessary step toward endangering his partner if he’s Mac’s teammate. The mindset he projected in casting his vote against my vote suggested an honest civilian who temporarily forgot we were playing a game with tao mafia teams.

Sloonei, I'll think about this but I didn't see the evidence that he forgot we were playing with two mafia teams. And then the move from sig to Mac at the last minute the next day on top of this just doesn't look good to me. But I will ponder what you're saying.

He voted on the wagon opposite my vote because he did not trust me. That looks like a player’s mafia instincts kicking in: “I suspect Sloonei, therefore I distrust the wagon he is voting on.” It doesn’t make sense in this game, but it is applicable to a normal game. I guess “forgot” is a strong word.

The alternative is that he made up a poor excuse because he was under pressure. That is not impossible. I lean in favor of the former.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:51 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:47 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:47 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..

G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.

is midnight, bare votes are confusing me.

Why is Juliets villager?

Paranoia is making me reconsider this possibility. But... why do you ask?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:55 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:35 pm Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:13 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:55 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:35 pm Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.

I'm not going to leave but @Michelle your post was hurtful.

Sloonei, my feeling about a Jay lynch are summed up in my post. I still don't see bad Jay but I understand for the good of the game and based on my assessments of Radish and Elephant his lynch might be the best option.

Meanwhile, ted re-kindled my interest in G-Man in a big way. I have been off and on about him the whole game. I started looking at some of his posts and posts about him but then when ted changed I thought he was not on the table for today. Then he was back ON the table and I changed my vote. As I indicated in my answer to Jack, I'm not sure I'm going to stay there. New people have entered the thread and have new thoughts that I will consider. The night is not over.

There’s no elephant in this game.

Walk me through your read on Jay, independent of the game-state or anyone else’s thoughts on him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:07 pm I juliets is mafia, on either team, she deserves to win.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:57 pm @juliets

Switch your vote.

Do not.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:50 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:21 pm Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

I assume this is what you are talking about. I'm less familiar with speedchuck's anti-emotional stance. This post is not enough to remove him from my POE, and it's possible the emotion is genuine but he's still bad in a multiball game. I'm not sure if he'd be aligned with mac in that scenario though. So I guess if the POE is just for that team then it might make sense.

So you think he is the Anti-Monitor or just faking it? It doesn't sound fake to me but what do I know.

I doubt it was faked. Even without knowing speedchuck has a specific objection to emotional pleas, he doesn't seem like the type to say unkind things for the sake of scoring points in a game. But given the situation right now I'm not totally willing to dismiss him as a suspect for this. To be clear, it helps his case. It just does not completely absolve him in my eyes.

I don't have an answer to things right now. This game has kind of been back-burnered for me the last few days. I hope I have a chance to do solving things later. This isn't unwinnable.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:51 pm Jack and juliets are never teamed with Mac. That's about all I'm comfortable saying at this point.

Two moments that made me question juliets

Light green in Radish review

Dark green in Mac review

Yellow in sabie review

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There's a point in there where Sloonei apologized to juliets for upsetting her when he used the word "misrepresent". That alone makes me want to shut this down and say they're not teammates. The rest of the progression is fitting though for the same conclusion. Sloonei mostly conveyed juliets as a civilian read, but always kept one finger on the button to allow himself to turn that around. juliets has long been the subject of at least minor tinfoil from a few people, and Sloonei needed suspects. He wasn't quite prepared to drop her entirely for the majority of the game.

Doubt they're teammates

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:22 am speedchuck on Sloonei

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:55 pm @speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?

I think the Jack/Nutella thing was interesting, primarily because of reactions to it. Tedxtr's reaction was notable, like he was incredibly pro-nutella and focused on nutella. Dunno if that's changed.

@tedxtr do you know nutella prior to this?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:11 pm Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:18 pm

Michelle? speedchuck?

What?

we were looking for people to join the sig wagon for mechanical reasons.

I'm pressed for time. I'd like more than 'mechanical reasons' as an explanation.

but [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

If sig is mafia he has a 50% chance of starting the day with -2 votes on him. If we are inclined to lynch him and neutralize his team today, it is ideal to give him a comfortable lead in the poll.

Ah, better to gank the -2 vote thing earlier than later. Yes. I'll stick with that then.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:22 pm

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

That’s what I’m wondering

These are the candidates to be the last remaining member of the sig/sabie/radishes team. Mac is not on that team.

Lol it's like the inverse of that Mac/Dom misunderstanding from a day ago

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:07 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.

Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.

And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:12 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:57 pm I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

Why though.

Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

omigawd nuance.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It looks like you need to show me where you talked about the reasons to townread you.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:59 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 am Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.

Is it two of the T's? Which ones?

As for the wagons themselves... I'm okay with lynching Jay, but not lynching sig seems really weird.

Tranq and TH.

Can you give us a rainbow or proposed players for each team? I’m picking up your opinions on specific issues but not where you’re at overall.

speedchuck

Dom
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Epignosis
juliets

Dragomir
ColinIsCool
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle

Turnip Head
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

sig

Something like that. It's difficult, since there are two teams, and there are multiple players in there I don't recall reading any posts from. Lots of players in this game. Proposed players for each team would be harder still.
I think my individual takes are probably more useful.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:33 pm Need five town other than me out of the following.

speedchuck

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
Epignosis

TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle
G-Man

Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

I have negative reads on Michelle that have been assuaged by the meta of not having played her before. I had a positive light of G-man because we were suspected for generally the same reasons early-game, but it doesn't feel concrete now.
I don't recall reading anything from the T's. Maybe because I payed most attention to this game around the time of the split, and regarding feelings during the split.

I'm a definite on Jay and Ted. Sloonei I'm historically bad at reading, but haven't seen something in memory that keeps him out of the bottom.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:26 pm I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

Aye, but I think Jay should be lynched first.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Oh. What.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

Townreading me wins you the game if you're town. Good reason right there.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:01 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:58 pm @G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

Why vote at all?

what

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:55 pm Jay’s behavior today is also exactly what I’d expect from him as a civilian. He got some pressure on him and it flipped a switch. He started pressing everything and re-examining things. He lost his zen and reclaimed the crown of fuck mountain.

I don't know what thread you're reading.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:07 pm I juliets is mafia, on either team, she deserves to win.

Preach!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:21 pm Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:22 pm There was no case on G-man other than 'he's busy, he did a gimmick and later self-voted'

Meanwhile Jay's over here making love to his scum meta with Sloonei cheering him on.

There is one thing I don't like here. Toward the end when speedchuck was campaigning in his cranky way to destroy me, he always tacked Sloonei's name with me. Both of us were bad, but I had to die first. For reasons y'all will soon understand, that's a problem. The connection is meaningless, and it only serves to protect Sloonei in a roundabout way.

Generally I don't think it's speedchuck, but he should still answer to that.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:53 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:26 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:02 am Also speedchuck, it feels like you are trying to dissuade me from speculating based on what we know about Jack. Why would you want to do that? We should all be throwing out thoughts based on whatever we have, our gut, our thoughts about a dead person, thread evidence, whatever to try and solve - at least those of us who are civs should be.

That is exactly what I'm doing.

I caught Sig trying to justify his vote on nutella with extra reasons that weren't likely (or needed) on D1. That's an observation I can and will make now. I'm not trying to shut you down, nor will I be shut down by whatever this indignant response is.

The way I read your post is that my thoughts are bullshit. Maybe you did not intend to convey that but that's what I read. I do not want to shut you down.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:02 am Also speedchuck, it feels like you are trying to dissuade me from speculating based on what we know about Jack. Why would you want to do that? We should all be throwing out thoughts based on whatever we have, our gut, our thoughts about a dead person, thread evidence, whatever to try and solve - at least those of us who are civs should be.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:32 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:31 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:29 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:28 am Jay, that would mean all 3 people at the bottom level of Inception day were bad.

It sure would. There's no reason why that can't be. Neither Tony nor Tranq would be sig's teammates, and sig was the Inception architect.

So just to clarify, you think sig picked all three players at the bottom level? I know in the original you guys had 1 bad, 1 civ, 1 indie at that level.

I don't know what sig picked. He may have picked none or some or all. What matters here is that regardless of how it worked, there are zero reasons in existence that prevent two Master mafia team members from being in the bottom level with sig.

It just seems unbalanced. The two Masters people would obviously lynch the third non-Master even without the S~V~S reveal of sig.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:31 am Jack hounded me and everyone else to vote for Jay and now I wonder if he tracked Jay and saw him target someone who died that night. He was just so sure. So, I'm going to vote for Jay this morning but I will still dig on others. If Jay is bad I think he's got to be on the Master's team.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:28 am Ok. So Jay is wolf based on behaviour and you suspect Sloonei as his team mate.
These were exactly my town reads and now I have to change them to trust you.

Talk to me about everyone please. I have to read few pages and I should return to reread, I dropped that because I worked yesterday and I am sorry.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:21 pm @Michelle @juliets @Sloonei @tedxtr

Like look at the things Jay says and ask yourself

"Is this a player who is getting fooled left and right and is about to lose the game after his teammate basically gave the whole team the middle finger or is this a player that is trying to push the next mislynch/antispew?"

Because I'm seeing Juliets being upset. I'm seeing Michelle being upset. I'm seeing Speed being upset. Maybe those things are faked but Jay's throwing out smiley emojis and giving life advice like everything's going according to plan. Cause it is. Cause he's a wolf and he can't help it.

I don't know how to be any more convincing than this. It's right in front of your faces. Probably two of you have alignment reasons to not listen but the other two of you ought to.

I am thinking at the 3 townies who litteraly gave up and the last one threw the game for a reason I don't understand.
I can't see a good part in JJJ now. Not at all.

All that he says is fitting a wolf profile from what i learned from my mentor. It's interesting how Jack used similar words without knowing this.

Jay putting my name in orange and working with a fake Poe is a bad thing. He is not teamworking with any villager, he is dictating reads. It would be sad to be a villager with this kind of behaviour.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:09 pmJay won by saying 'please don't lynch me I don't wanna lose.'

Hey now, my pleas were more sophisticated than that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:52 pm I feel like I have a very difference feeling about what is fair in mafia.

I just want players to do their best to play to their wincon and to the spirit of the game and if I'm hosting, for them to do whatever I'm trying to psychologically manipulate them into doing.

Like if someone fools me, that's impressive, that's fun. Basically no matter how they did it.

I only get upset when my team doesn't play to their wincon or when players break the spirit of the rules like "not claiming" wink wink.

If I can't convince people a baddie is mafia, then they outplayed me. It's frustrating now but it's not frustrating when the game ends. It shows their skill and everyone involved (hopefully) becomes a better player for it. If a wolf fools me here, they outplayed me. Hopefully I become a better player for it.

I'm perfectly happy to lose when I'm outplayed. I don't like losing to someone who isn't playing by the rules or because someone on my team threw.

That is to say, I don't mind emotional outbursts from wolves.

I'm not Speedchuck though. Not entirely.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:26 am Ok, we should channel our anger into something productive. What is the best use of our time today?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:07 am Honestly why the fuck are we even playing anymore?

The only role that can still hunt anti-monitor decides to fuck everything because he hasn’t played and is pissed because I give him crap for it.

And then he’s the one talking about egos, well thanks for teaching me “a lesson” I guess even if it’s at the expense of the entirety of the town, it’s not even just me.

I’m fuming.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:21 pm Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

Take a step back speedchuck. If you suspect me then okay. That's the game. But this is not a reasonable post.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:07 pm I juliets is mafia, on either team, she deserves to win.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:57 pm "Hello we're all diseased let's have meetings all day about it."

I am five pages behind. What did G-Man do?

Served as an excuse to not lynch Jay.

It’s not working, tho.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:57 pm "Hello we're all diseased let's have meetings all day about it."

I am five pages behind. What did G-Man do?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:55 pm Jay’s behavior today is also exactly what I’d expect from him as a civilian. He got some pressure on him and it flipped a switch. He started pressing everything and re-examining things. He lost his zen and reclaimed the crown of fuck mountain.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:01 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:58 pm @G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

Why vote at all?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:01 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:11 pm Ok, I'll vote Jay only if you guys follow me on G-man if you're wrong

how's that?

i'm compromising.

i want verbal confirmation.

Agreed. Now vote Jay.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:33 pm Okay I guess G-man wouldn't be a bad lynch today.

Still think Jay is scum though.

You spoke earlier of "joy". Have you seen me express joy in any Mafia game since the start of 2019?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Oh. What.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:37 pm I honestly don't know why I have to make a compelling scum case on G-Man because there is none. My point is he's done nothing. Nada. Zero.

...

I don't know what this is called in psychology, but what you are doing is saying "There's no way JFK was assassinated by a nobody" because he was a nobody. "There's no way G-Man is scum because he hasn't done anything that outs him as scum" is a bad argument to make in general on a slot that has 10 posts and 8 were hidden behind a shtick so I couldn't snipe his scum tone.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:26 pm I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:48 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:06 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:01 am Like just give me one reason G-Man is town. Just one.

he was helpful in the dream level by bringing itt the vote count I made in text form. Looked towny.
Why would scum do that? Maybe just if the VC of first 3 days is wifom-y?

give me your case on Gman scum pls

this can't be a serious post

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:06 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:18 pm @speedchuck why am I bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:04 pm I wish I'd have been lynched yesterday.

You're scapegoating me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:18 pm @speedchuck why am I bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:04 pm I wish I'd have been lynched yesterday.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:00 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:38 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:32 pm If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.

Yesterday was the first day he was really mentioned as a serious candidate in a thread that included the entire active roster.

sure. And JJJ pushed him and voted for Colin anyways. We talked more about Speed than Colin but Colin ended up lynched.

What's the best reason you can think of to town read speedchuck?

Mislynch bait — universal scumread in appearance, no clear teammates. But jjj/ speed seems very possible

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:27 pm Plus whoever Dys was.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:00 pm Current living roles are iirc


Town:
Monitor
Agatha
Abed
Deedee
Bill

Wolf
Master
Bari
Serena

Mafia
Antimonitor

Indy
Akechi