The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:04 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:58 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:02 pm ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Nanook
sprityo
tedxtr
Turnip Head

Those are the players in this thread. They will be the only ones in the poll.

1. Epi or Ted

OR

2. Epi and Ted

OR

3. None of them = level one full of villas and all baddies in dream levels? Can this be?

My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:21 pm Jack, Dom, and juliets are not on Mac’s team. Everyone else is on the table as far as I’m concerned.

The anti-monitor is between Jay, Tony, Epi, or Dom for me. Dom seems the least likely of the bunch. I have no explicit reason to eliminate G-man, but I am not feeling that it’s him.

Thats not what your last rainbow said.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:13 pm Dom, Tony, and Epi are the names I'm least confident in after you (if we're accepting TH's claim about targeting Michelle). She only mentioned those three in a list of town reads when I specifically asked her for them.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:36 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:09 am

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Opining tomorrow. Data now:

Day 1 :
1 Dizzy - Tony
1 Jack - Spityo
1 JJJ - Radishes
6 Radishes - JJJ, Ted, Svs, Michelle, Sloonei, Dizzy
1 Nanook01 - Sig
6 Nutella01 - Nanook01, Turnip, Sabie, Jack, Mac, Dom
2 Speed - Epi, Nutella01

Day 2

1 GMan - Ted
7 Mac - Speed, Sig, Jack, Dom, Sabie, Sprityo, Nanook02
9 Radishes - Tony, JJJ, Svs, Sloonei, Epi, Juliets, Mac, Colin, Turnip
2 Sloonei - Dizzy, GMan
3 Turnip - Michelle, Tranq, Radishes

Day 3

2 Jack - Turnip, Mac
10 Mac - Ted, Tony, GMan, Jack, Michelle, Nanook, Sig, Sprityo, Epi, Tranq
8 Sig - Colin, Svs, Sloonei, Dom, Speed, Nutella02, JJJ, Juliets

Day 4 main poll

3 Nanook02 - Epi, Sprityo, TurnipHead
5 Sprityo - Dom, Colin, Ted, Nanook02, Jack

Day 4 poll in a dream level

1 Juliets - Michelle
3 Michelle - Speed, Sloonei, JJJ
2 Speed - GMan, Juliets


Day 4 Limbo Poll
???? (Sig, Tranq, Tony)

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Day 5

4 JJJ - Tranq, Colin, Dom, Epi
1 Nanook02 - Sig
10 Sig - Ted, Speed, Nanook02, TurnipHead, Sloonei, Juliets, Michelle, JJJ, Jack, TSP

Day 6

8 Colin - Dom, Michelle, Tranq, Juliets, Jack, Epi, JJJ, Speed
4 Speed - GMan, TSP, TurnipHead, Colin
1 Ted - Sloonei

Colouring the flipped of this post. I don't have time yet to put the last polls but I wanted a view of the first polls.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:41 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:27 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:01 pm

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juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:43 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:31 pm

Why not?

I guess if it was randed it could be but wouldn't the hosts have wanted there to be mafia on every level so there was balance? Do you think level one could have had all civs? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something about the way the levels worked.

If it was random or if the hosts decided, then sig's power is not necessarily a benefit to his team, as one or more of sig's teammates could have found themselves on that level and vulnerable to a lynch. The role is only beneficial to sig's team if sig got to choose who went where so that he could keep his team safe for one Day phase.

I definitely believe sig picked where he went and if I'm reading you right you think sig would have picked maybe level 2 for the AM. That makes sense. What about the Masters people though wouldn't they have been spread across levels unless the levels were randed for everyone but sig and the AM?

If I'm right and sig grouped everyone, the other team could be among any of the levels. It's a devious little role secret in that it has a potential secondary benefit for pushing (or allowing to stand) the fallacy that there "has to be" at least one bad guy per level.

for 5 y o ppl that means after he safely put the AM most probably in the midde level the rest of players are randomly distributed between levels?

My theory is that sig picked where everybody went. Maybe people he viewed as a threat got picked for the "real" level (in which case, I will take that as a compliment ), but even if sig only picked for his team and everybody else got randomly assigned, it still amounts to the same thing (that the power is only useful for the team if sig has a say in where people go- otherwise the power could be catastrophic for that team rather than helpful). I hope that makes sense.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:01 pm

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juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:43 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:31 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:04 pm My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Why not?

I guess if it was randed it could be but wouldn't the hosts have wanted there to be mafia on every level so there was balance? Do you think level one could have had all civs? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something about the way the levels worked.

If it was random or if the hosts decided, then sig's power is not necessarily a benefit to his team, as one or more of sig's teammates could have found themselves on that level and vulnerable to a lynch. The role is only beneficial to sig's team if sig got to choose who went where so that he could keep his team safe for one Day phase.

I definitely believe sig picked where he went and if I'm reading you right you think sig would have picked maybe level 2 for the AM. That makes sense. What about the Masters people though wouldn't they have been spread across levels unless the levels were randed for everyone but sig and the AM?

If I'm right and sig grouped everyone, the other team could be among any of the levels. It's a devious little role secret in that it has a potential secondary benefit for pushing (or allowing to stand) the fallacy that there "has to be" at least one bad guy per level.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:18 am Dead
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Salvadore - Killed self Day 1 to determine lynch target
nutella - Prometheus - Lynched Day 1
No one died on Night 1 - Mac was targeted by Anti Monitor team (Sig's slip)

Master Radishes - Dennis Reynolds - Lynched Day 2
Dyslexicon - Killed Night 2 - by Saitama. most probably Dizzy was a villager
sabie12 - Uncle Fester - Killed Night 2 - Turnip Head targeted Michelle and the action was switched to Sabie12 (THs claim)

MacDougall - Saitama - Lynched Day 3
No NK night 3 - Role block or the AM team had to choose between the kill and the Inception plan?
I think Turnip's Iso in the next day needs to be checked and G-man's. Who else could RB?

sprityo - Lassie - Lynched Day 4
S~V~S - The Oracle - Killed Night 4 A fear kill from wolves would kill Svs or Nut here? And if one was the victim of the red team, the second kill was a towny action?
nutella 2.0 - Santa - Killed Night 4

sig - The Architect - Lynched Day 5
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0 - Harriet - killed Night 5 - The AM killed Nanook here. We have to check Nanook 02 Iso

ColinIsCool - Awards Presenter - Lynched Day 6
Turnip Head - Jack of All Trades - Lynched Day 6
Dom - Seamus Fitzroy - Killed Night 6 Why Dom again?

G-Man - Aja - Lynched Day 7
Jackofhearts2005 - Agatha Heterodyne - Killed Night 7 Jack was so convinced JJJ is bad that his NK points out for sure at him. That means Jay is never the AM i think.
Sloonei - The Master - Killed Night 7 GOAT shot!

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:02 pm ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Nanook
sprityo
tedxtr
Turnip Head

Those are the players in this thread. They will be the only ones in the poll.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:19 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:53 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:31 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:29 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:27 am Jay, are you saying you think speedchuck knows who you are and that's why it's problematic that he thought you should go first?

It leaves the potential that speedchuck knows who Sloonei is, and that I am not on Sloonei's team. By gluing us together like that and insisting I die first, he protects Sloonei two-fold. Sloonei doesn't get lynched, and when I flip civilian it makes Sloonei look better too -- the connection is severed.

Ok yeah I see what you are saying. Thanks -

Juliets this is not the first time you accept a post and don't give back any answer. Looks odd. Looks like you are satisfied with the answer and accept it but I think you should go further here for eg with your own opinion on Speed, and you say just "thanks".
I understand your lack of time but few words may make the difference and they don't take an eternity to type. Like you don't want to bother anyone...

Taking a short break from work -

speed, Tranq, and ted are, in my head, competing for the last civ spot on my roster. I'm reading them all back today. This point that Jay brought up is one I don't think I would have seen. I will know better if I agree with it when I read it in context with the rest of speed's posts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:56 am I may work in cognitive science, but I haven't quite mastered the intricacies of telepathy yet.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:31 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:29 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:27 am Jay, are you saying you think speedchuck knows who you are and that's why it's problematic that he thought you should go first?

It leaves the potential that speedchuck knows who Sloonei is, and that I am not on Sloonei's team. By gluing us together like that and insisting I die first, he protects Sloonei two-fold. Sloonei doesn't get lynched, and when I flip civilian it makes Sloonei look better too -- the connection is severed.

Ok yeah I see what you are saying. Thanks -

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:01 am There's just no world where Sloonei isn't with someone that doesn't have some sort of high presence or having accumulated a lot of town reads. I just can't think about that. It's because of his lists containing lurkers as scum which is always what he's done. There has to be someone active as a mafia and I think that's just juliets. I don't know, maybe I was right for the wrong reasons earlier, but there's just no world for me where juliets isn't mafia. I don't know why or how she is being town read, someone needs to engage me, because I just think you're wrong.

I heard Jay's thoughts on her, I'm moreso looking for thoughts from people like Tranq, TSP, Michelle. Why you scum read her / town read her?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:25 am @@Michelle I think you missed Night 3 in your list. If I'm not mistaken no one died that night. I don't know if that's important to your analysis but I just noticed it was missing.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:20 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:10 am
idk if these question in cyan received answers. tedxtr

Dizzy asked a terrible question. That's why it wasn't answered.

Sig's TMI was town because I was town reading him and sprit's tmi was scum because i wasn't town reading him

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:53 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:50 am yellow - I explained my understanding coming from your behavior
cyan - I was doing this all game, and I told you always where I am. But you never really explained me where you were about me, you just posted various level of suspicions. You are dictating reads, not teamworking as a villager should do.

Please understand that if you are a civilian, you're asking me to read your mind.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:33 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:19 am I am at work on pc and I will try to do the NKs list I asked for.

Juliets, what makes you villager in this game? (infos you are allowed to share)

I have done a lot of analysis of people to try and figure out what alignment they are. I have done major ISO's, I have looked at other games, in Jay's case I even did a comparison analysis of his game here and his game when he was bad in Transistors. I have made myself available when I'm not at work, at physical therapy, at the doctor, eating, or sleeping. I have spent a little bit of time on discord or watching a tv show as a brain relief but other than those things I have been here. I voted for Radish and sig and my vote for sig instead of Mac on Day 3 was only due to the fact that the evidence against sig was conclusive. Look at my scum play in Girl Genius - you won't see any big analysis pushes from me in that game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:20 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:09 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:49 pm Is anybody even here to talk?

You've made this comment 20 times. You don't need people to chat. There's a huge thread right here.

Morning JJJ, you complained I didn't interact with you sir? I am confused. AMA

Btw if in the huge thread there you didn't find the evidence I am not mafia I am sorry, if you are a villager, you need to better filter the available infos. But is perfectly understandable if you are mafia, so my vote doesn't change.

You interacted with me. That wasn't my concern. It was that when you interacted with me, it seemed more like you were telling me what I am than trying to figure out what I am.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:01 pm OoooOOOooOOooOoOO GHOST oOOOOoOOOOoooOOooooo

I went through ISOs, but honestly I think I became blind in the process.

The two likeliest for anti-monitor is still Sprit and Ted.

Ted:

- Has no progression on Radish, but votes him D1.
- Weird arch nemesis interaction with Sabie N2 (??)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:39 amFrom what I understood, his suspicion came from a place of him believing mac targeted him along with sprit's sudden push on him, which he called sprit scum for, which I can follow through. Sprit's vote and push is completely nonsensical unless he has TMI and I don't see anything scummy about connecting the dots that way?

This post is a problem. Why is it logical to call Sprit scum for TMI, but then it's also logical to call Sig town for the same thing?
I have big trouble seeing this mindset.

Like, you're basically saying that it makes sense for Sig to accuse Sprit of the exact same thing I accused Sig of. "Sig thinks Sprit has TMI of Mac being scum and calls Sprit scum for it. That makes sense." But somehow, in the case of Sig who's word by word showing actual TMI, that's just being interpreted as town for Sig.

So explain that please.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:30 pm There’s just something illogical that doesn’t sit right with me. If there’s the slightest chance sig is a town, why are you voting for him instead of basically outed wolf Mac no matter sig’s alignment? If it’s so clear to you that he TMI’d Mac, why wouldn’t you ask yourself “is this a wolf tming or a town tming” and vote for him instead of Mac?

This is also confusing. How was Mac outed scum? He was no more outed scum than Sig. Confusing. Was he outed for you? And when did you start to suspect Mac? Cause you town read him earlier in the game.

-One thing that makes Ted not anti-monitor though, is his insistence that Sig's theory of Mac being Saitama-guy was ill informed and bad. He insisted that Mac was definitely not on that team.

There's some bravado about being on Sabie that feels off. Also the dip in activity around the Sig accusation. I don't know.

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Sprit:

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:25 pm Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

No. I'm not going to shut up. I'm still in the game per the ghost mechanics. I literally gave you all a Sig is 100% scum and tried to shoot Mac and that's why Sig assumes Mac is scum. Why are you so angry about that if you're town?

This really just looks like salt about town doing good right now. Why the "wait for town to win" - what town would be so confident and sure about this, and have such a salty tone about it?

I'm really asking everyone here. This does not look like town to me at all. It looks like salty scum having lost their team. And after this it's like "I wouldn't mind being the lynch" and moments later "I'll be damned if I'm lynched". I just really don't get the a town vibe from this attitude.

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-Michelle honestly have some pretty awkward Radish-team interaction as well. But she's not on the poll.

-I ISOed Turnip a bit, but I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect of him being scum anymore. Could happen i guess.

-I don't see why Jack would drop the Nut case if teamed with competing D1 wagon Radish tbh. Unless he tried to push the wagon to someone else, but I don't remember.

-I have no fucking clue about Nanook. Most of his posts are defending himself or threading water. I don't see him making actual reads or pushes.

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Jay and Juliets are my biggest suspects for teamed with Mac.
I think all of Dom, G-Man, Tony and Epi looks town. Tranq honestly probs town, but I'll never understand hyper lurking.

I don't have a 100% now. =( Good luck, guys.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:03 pm

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OOooooOooOOoooOoo GHOST DIZZY oOOOOoooOOOOOOOoooooOO SO GHOSTLY ooooOOoOoooOOOO

This turned out to be more of a process post. I noticed I have more time. The next and only other post I'll post this phase will be a more thorough analysis, and I'll pick out my top pick for Anti-monitor and the rest of Mac's team.

I'm pretty good at interaction analysis. /Ref please just sheep Dizzy when I say someone is 100% scum.

Allow me just a moment of complaining. You have no idea how hard it is to watch this game and not being able to participate as normal. You have no idea how much I want to scream at some of you. That sinking feeling when the oracle reveal is the confirmed scum Sig.

But I'll try to stay positive.
Sig being Architect is valuable because it means that we shall definitely not kill or lynch Sig before the Anti-Monitor is dead.

Because if we kill the Anti-Monitor, we have confirmed scum Sig that we can block or jail or mess with as long as possible on odd nights.
This would be a great time to lynch the anti-monitor.

Another thing. It seems obvious that Sig made this whole Inception thing happen, since he's the Architect. He took himself out of the lynch pool, but his teammate is still probably in this lynch pool, or else the power seems broken. /cents. I didn't play Inception.

I'll come back to the Mac team. But I think Jay is a prime suspect there. He's ended up on Mac's side the whole game.
Juliets is certainly on my list as well here. She's exhibiting the "I'm so tired and I'm so confused and I can't be held accountable for what I say, but I'm trying"-scum tell. It's a thing. Trust.

Rip SVS. I feel a bit bad for hounding you all game, but it was done from love. <3 Rip Nutella 2.0 who was obv-town. <3[/dead]

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Ted

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I was about to yell at Ted for him being the last member of the rabies team. But when I looked back to his early interaction he was way early with calling Sig firm town. That doesn't really fit good with a teammate interaction.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:30 pm There’s just something illogical that doesn’t sit right with me. If there’s the slightest chance sig is a town, why are you voting for him instead of basically outed wolf Mac no matter sig’s alignment? If it’s so clear to you that he TMI’d Mac, why wouldn’t you ask yourself “is this a wolf tming or a town tming” and vote for him instead of Mac?

This is bad though. Cause you write as if Mac should've been confirmed scum for some reason, but he wasn't. He only was that for Sig and whoever is on his team so...
For me, Sig was even more confirmed scum than Mac was (though both of them being scum was like 95 %)

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Turnip

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:34 amI argue that no one would have given radishes a second glance without my input. I was low-key but instrumental.

Like I've never been anything other than a ghost rip.

I've been considering TH with Radish and sabie for a while. Though I think this is less likely. To be fair Turnip's very first post of content was to call out Radish as scum. I think that is earnest. But TH, why for the love of Radishes did you think sabie was town though? I will never be able to understand that if you are town here.

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Sprit's ISO is terrible, horrendous and the worst.

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sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:38 pmG-Man red
MacDougall red
Master Radishes red
sig red

Radish and Sig in the red GTH reads without talking about them or going after them at all. Especially weird since Sig was town read my many. I'm thinking it's kind of likely he's Anti-monitor. At the same time though, someone should ctrl+F sprit in Sig's ISO and tell me what they think. @Sloonei ?

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:12 amIf anything I would be fine with taking the L for today, since we as a town have been doing really good.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:16 amAnd I’ll be damned if I let myself be an easy lynch target.

Lol this.
What changed, my friend? Or were you just not being genuine at all the first time around?

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Tony and Dom are likely town. But they are not always listening very well... Listen to my ghost voice oooOOOooOOoOOOo
I'm not particularly excited about a TH lynch. I don't think that is good.

Nanook is probably 3p at this point. He does absolutely nothing. Just hangs out and defends people. If he's town he should start to actually do something for town. *smacks Nanook in the face with a cod*

I'll take a look on Speed as well. And Jack. So many.

I think @TonyStarkPrime and someone mentioned that Mac's team would be on Sig and Sig's team would be on Mac, but I think that is a very flawed way of thinking about it. Both Sig and Mac was as good as doomed. I see especially no reason why Mac's team wouldn't also argue for his lynch. He used his janitor kill on me for no good reason. They all must've known his time was up.

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If any of this sparks thoughts, please @ me. I'll be here helping to figure this out. What I would give for a res or an eternal ghost voice. But rip. I only have two more posts. But I'll make them count. Next one will be more conclusive.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:46 pm

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OOooooOOooooOooOoOoooo HEAR MY GHOST THROUGHTS oooOOooOoOOOOOOooooooOO

Here's a plead you MUST READ

Please, please, please listen to me and take my post seriously. My credentials are as follows:
- Nanook 1.0 as top town read on D1 = confirmed.
- Radish and Sabie as connected teammates before any of the flipped = confirmed.
- I do not actually suck at this game.

I don't know why scum would want to Janitor me. Obviously I didn't kill myself and obviously I'm not with Radish/sabie and obviously I'm town. My role stays hidden, but that doesn't matter much. Good riddance to the Janitor kill. I 100% expected to be killed btw. What a predictable scum team.

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OooooOOooOoOOOOOOooooo ACTUAL TAKES ORDERED BY THEME IN SPOILERS ooOOOooOoOOOOOOooooo


1. Sig is 100% on the Radish/Sabie team and he actually SCUM SLIPPED.

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Remember when I said Sabie was 100% on the Radish team because duh, and she flipped as such?
Here's why Sig is on the same team (apart from what's already been brought up by Sloonei and others (good job!)):

- Sig reveals that his team tried to kill Mac on N1, but that the kill didn't go through.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:09 pm Also food for thought that I'm workshoping:

N1 there was no kill and Sprityo/Dom started to pursue Mac more heavily. Now there were a few things floating around about that, but given some of the voters on his wagon and how Sabie flipped I think Team 1 tried to kill Mac and it didn't work since he has the one night kill protection. Which led to a push from some of the players on his wagon to flip him to gain civ credit.

The great thing here is that so many people on Radish's wagon had teammate compatibility with both Sabie/Radish.

So we flip Mac and he's mafia, next lynch is Sprityo who's one of the surviving Anti-Moniters and from there it's just the matter of finding the last one of them and then analyzing how people voted to save Mac. Given the last minute swing to stop Mac from being lynched I think his team moved and pushed him over so we'd wanna look at late voters to the Radish wagon. Which adds to my suspicion of Mac.

Sig is talking about his own team here because:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:33 pm There is a civ that can't be nked and two protection roles, Aja and Lassie.

Yea, but I doubt they'd have targeted Mac.

I did think about the civ role, a fair amount. However, I think it's much more likely he's mafia.

Also to Epi, I do plan to finish my case, this phase just caught me at a bad time.

Alternatively to Mac,

I'd say Sprityo is a good lynch followed by an inactive/semi active role. Think a lurker who isn't doing much.

linki: Your back and forth with Dom yesterday, various other posts, your small dick comments, and your entire tone when discussing you.

Here's the actual slip, guys!

When SVS suggests that the no kill on N1 may have been for many reasons, Sig answers with the knowledge that Mac was the actual kill target.

Read it. Sig says he doubts the protective role would target Mac (so that couldn't be the reason why the kill failed.) And then Sig says that he considered that Mac could be the civ role, but that he thinks that Mac is just much more likely mafia (again revealing that Mac was targeted for a NK.)

Digest this.
Again, Sig reveals that he KNOWS THAT MAC WAS THE TARGET FOR THE KILL.

The only explanation is that Sig KNOWS that Mac was targeted for a NK. He would only know that if he was the one targeting him for a NK. This is why Sig is tunnelling Mac, with extra knowledge.

Sig is scum with Radish and Sabie.
Sig not being mentioned (except once) in Sabie's ISO is just icing on the cake. Same with Sig being hedgy about Radish on D1.

2. Mac is probably scum as well

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Mac is reacting in pure self pres and no interest in finding scum. Sig's tunnelling of Mac supports Mac being scum.
I have one example:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:54 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:53 pm Other than Dyslexicon dying, that was a good night post. I hope my idiocy didn’t help put a target on your back.

I’m not following the team compatibility here, and I need to try to go back and find some of it. Is it being suggested that when it was Mac vs Radish that it was trains on two people from the same team?

TMI on Dyslexicon as town.

This is a terrible deflection onto G-Man. Mac himself said I was the towniest person in the fucking game. Why shade G-Man for assuming the same? It's very obvious that I have a town role. This is bad bad bad deflection on a low hanging fruit like G-Man.

3. G-Man is actually town, and here's why.

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His posting is not scum, the way he went after me, reconsidered and talks to me after I flip is not scum. I'm a little bit surprised and suspicious that some people has not picked up on this yet. Especially Jimmay I feel should be aware that G-Man is town. (Jimmay: Why? Me: Because I feel like you ignored important points that shows that G-Man is town.) @tedxtr

SVS looks good for sticking up for G-Man imo. Probably. Maybe some other people look good for it too.

I'm pretty sure that my read is right. He could even be a good protection candidate. I know some people have said G-Man looks like a Radish/Sabie teammate, but Sig is their teammate, and then somebody else. Bank it.

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4. Why you should definitely lynch Sig/Some genuine advice for the last Anti-Monitor Scum Team member.

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I believe we should get rid of Sig first because he is absolutely scum. This is where we have the leads.

If someone on the other scum team dies, THEN we can go after the other scum team. If we for example get a confirmation that Mac is scum, then it will be easier to hunt down Mac's teammates, and we can leave the last Anti-Monitor member alone for a bit.

But it should be the Anti-Monitor team's responsibility to blow the game open. Smoke out Radish/Sabie/Sig and the last person until we have an actual confirmed lead on the other team.

And to the Anti-Monitor team: You will definitely lose unless you blow the game open and go for the other team here with your NK.
If you NK town next night I'll say you're about 2% to win, the other scum team is about 50% to win and town 48% to win.
If you NK one of the other team you're about maybe 20 % to win (because town will hunt the other team which is more pressing, which is much better) and the other team is about 30 % to win and town about 50 % to win.

I know this is a lot, but please someone read it and take this further. I can't respond much to all questions and comments. I hope I explained this well. I will post later with more reads and thoughts on who I think the last Radish/Sabie/Sig teammate is. I need to go through some ISO's first.

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Short version:
- Sig scum slipped and should be lynched.
- Mac is very likely on the opposite mafia team than Sig, but it's not confirmed.
- We should go after the Anti-Monitor team until we have a confirmed flip on the other side. Smoke them out.

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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:22 pm

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OooOOoOoOooooOooOOOOooo FEEL MY GHOSTLY WRATH! oOOoOOoOoOOOOOoooOoo

Hi. Let's be strategic here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:45 pm And the reason to vote Sig over Mac is like...to show moral support for ghost Dizzy or because Mac is your teammate or whatever.

No, sir. You and @@TonyStarkPrime are both incorrect. First of all your game theory analysis doesn't work. But never mind that right now, because that isn't that relevant.

***Here's a better reason to lynch Sig first:

It's the Anti-monitor's turn to NK this night. Sig is 100 % an Anti-monitor according to Dizzy ghostly godness. So that will leave only one person left alone on that team. This in turns mean we can isolate that player for the rest of the game with blocking and jailkeeping. Which mean we will have no mafia kills on odd nights. We don't even have to lynch them before lynching the other team.

This way the other team will not inherit the kill, and we can start already today to block or prevent the lone killer to take action.

Therefore:
- Get rid of the 3rd person on the Anti-Monitor team. (Sig)
- Block or jail suspects for the 4th person. (Ted I guess.) You could even plan that whoever is jailkeeper jails Ted, and whoever is JAOT blocks someone else.
- Get a NK free odd night for the rest of the game, plus confirmation of who the last member is.

FUFUFUFUFUFUFU, I just looked at the roles. And if Sig is not the Anti-monitor then this will not actually work, because that role's kills can't be protected against. I don't know the specific mechanics, but it's at least 50 % chance that this works. And the rewards are great.

***Info dump is not allowed. But I assume here that planning an action together (without knowing who will do it) is not prohibited. @Long Con

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Tony,

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you don't seem to have read my post very well or be very interested. That is fine. You do you. But I believe in my case as I believed in Radish, Sabie and as I believed in you the last game we played. *hair flip*

Mac could flip mafia, independent or town with kill protect. This will all incriminate Sig. He's likely mafia or independent imo.
Sig will flip mafia, as his interaction with Radish/Sabie is oof and his reaction to my case is to try and sell it in as both a role/prize info (on N1 mind you) and as a totally random Sig idea.

None of the flips depend more or less on each other. Mac flipping town will not make Sig look good. He still wrote the things that he did. He still has the interactions he has. It's more of a call between who you think are more likely to flip scum (which is both tbh), but also that flipping a third teammate on the Radish/Sabie team now will give us the possibility to prevent a night kill every odd night starting this night. This is hugely helpful.

I still think Tony is more likely town oOOoOOooooo

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tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:33 am I’ll eat something, i’ll be here for autographs and interviews in 30 mins or so

You are making the same mistake as Radish. This posturing of confidence makes you look so guilty. You are a prime next target.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:33 amSig's basically saying that a protective role WOULDN'T have targeted mac and thus, he would have other tools at his disposal to survive the night. scummy ones.

But how did Sig know that Mac was the NK target in the first place?
SVS presented that there were numerous ways that whoever was targeted did not die.
Sig only considered that there were ways Mac specifically would have avoided to die.

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@nutella , @Epignosis I don't know if you remember the game we were final 4 with Scotty as scum. I insisted that he had a mindslip that could only come from scum, and he didn't understand the accusation of all. A lot of the time scum won't understand what about their mindset that is inherently scummy and insist that they didn't slip. I think this is happening here.

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Ultimately - I'm dead. It's your responsibility. But I think the potential rewards of lynching Sig and being able to block one of the NKs is very high. I realize it doesn't necessarily work depending on Sig's specific role, but I do think it's worth a try. I think the mindset that either Sig's or Mac's scumminess is dependent on each other's flip is flawed. One scum flip will mean almost 100 % the other is scum. But a potential town flip will not exonerate either.

However, if you all are more sure that Mac is scum then go ahead, I guess. I don't think Mac is town either.

We're not in a bad position, but I think we should make the most of it anyway. It's very difficult to win a multiball game for town. We are doing well, but we need all tools at our disposal. So my vote is to vote Sig first. /however many cents.

Anyhow, good luck. And I will probably write more reads and stuff next phase. I just felt it was important to point out Sig's scummery.

I can't respond more today after this. Good luck and go town!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:49 pm Is anybody even here to talk?

You've made this comment 20 times. You don't need people to chat. There's a huge thread right here.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:59 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:57 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:51 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:50 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.

Can you explain where do you see the connection between JJJ and the AM?

He is alive.
Therefore he is an AM suspect.

Just this? Can't be there another thing to spot after so many days of playing?

Give me any argument for anyone being the AM.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:51 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:50 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.

Can you explain where do you see the connection between JJJ and the AM?

He is alive.
Therefore he is an AM suspect.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:18 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:08 pmi think he should remember me.

I don't. Sorry pal. I have a vague idea of what your posts look like when you play, but I couldn't describe your meta with any specificity or precision. You've a way of blending by nature, and there honestly may be language barrier involved.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:07 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:28 am Ok. So Jay is wolf based on behaviour and you suspect Sloonei as his team mate.
These were exactly my town reads and now I have to change them to trust you.

Talk to me about everyone please. I have to read few pages and I should return to reread, I dropped that because I worked yesterday and I am sorry.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:21 pm @Michelle @juliets @Sloonei @tedxtr

Like look at the things Jay says and ask yourself

"Is this a player who is getting fooled left and right and is about to lose the game after his teammate basically gave the whole team the middle finger or is this a player that is trying to push the next mislynch/antispew?"

Because I'm seeing Juliets being upset. I'm seeing Michelle being upset. I'm seeing Speed being upset. Maybe those things are faked but Jay's throwing out smiley emojis and giving life advice like everything's going according to plan. Cause it is. Cause he's a wolf and he can't help it.

I don't know how to be any more convincing than this. It's right in front of your faces. Probably two of you have alignment reasons to not listen but the other two of you ought to.

I am thinking at the 3 townies who litteraly gave up and the last one threw the game for a reason I don't understand.
I can't see a good part in JJJ now. Not at all.

All that he says is fitting a wolf profile from what i learned from my mentor. It's interesting how Jack used similar words without knowing this.

Jay putting my name in orange and working with a fake Poe is a bad thing. He is not teamworking with any villager, he is dictating reads. It would be sad to be a villager with this kind of behaviour.

Whoa nellie that's a quick change of heart.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:09 am Opining tomorrow. Data now:

Day 1 :
1 Dizzy - Tony
1 Jack - Spityo
1 JJJ - Radishes
6 Radishes - JJJ, Ted, Svs, Michelle, Sloonei, Dizzy
1 Nanook01 - Sig
6 Nutella01 - Nanook01, Turnip, Sabie, Jack, Mac, Dom
2 Speed - Epi, Nutella01

Day 2

1 GMan - Ted
7 Mac - Speed, Sig, Jack, Dom, Sabie, Sprityo, Nanook02
9 Radishes - Tony, JJJ, Svs, Sloonei, Epi, Juliets, Mac, Colin, Turnip
2 Sloonei - Dizzy, GMan
3 Turnip - Michelle, Tranq, Radishes

Day 3

2 Jack - Turnip, Mac
10 Mac - Ted, Tony, GMan, Jack, Michelle, Nanook, Sig, Sprityo, Epi, Tranq
8 Sig - Colin, Svs, Sloonei, Dom, Speed, Nutella02, JJJ, Juliets

Day 4 main poll

3 Nanook02 - Epi, Sprityo, TurnipHead
5 Sprityo - Dom, Colin, Ted, Nanook02, Jack

Day 4 poll in a dream level

1 Juliets - Michelle
3 Michelle - Speed, Sloonei, JJJ
2 Speed - GMan, Juliets


Day 4 Limbo Poll
???? (Sig, Tranq, Tony)

Day 5

4 JJJ - Tranq, Colin, Dom, Epi
1 Nanook02 - Sig
10 Sig - Ted, Speed, Nanook02, TurnipHead, Sloonei, Juliets, Michelle, JJJ, Jack, TSP

Day 6

8 Colin - Dom, Michelle, Tranq, Juliets, Jack, Epi, JJJ, Speed
4 Speed - GMan, TSP, TurnipHead, Colin
1 Ted - Sloonei

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:27 am Unfortunately Jack can't drop in since the hosts canceled the ghost mechanic. I'm sure he would read me as a civilian if he could.

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:43 am Anti-Monitor:
speedchuck

Master:
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

@JaggedJimmyJay out of ted and speed, who's your best guess to be the Anti-Monitor?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:57 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:16 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:26 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:19 am For who can speak english why to use "you may be" instead "you are"?

It is a softer way to say it -- it's not certain.

Is like he wanted to avoid a TMI accusation.

Could be. He had an advantage over the rest of you non-Masters in knowing I'm innocent, so TMI would have applied.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:26 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:19 am For who can speak english why to use "you may be" instead "you are"?

It is a softer way to say it -- it's not certain.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:24 pm If the POE insists that I must be bad then the POE is wrong.

Could be. I sort of expected you to yell at me, at least with your Sloonei voice, about that out-of-nowhere read. So I'm probably right

I am yelling. Look how angry I am.

I don't see it as out-of-nowhere. I've been forced to reconsider my read on you. It makes sense to reconsider me as well. The POE is wrong if it includes me, and you may be fully aware of that. Walk me through why speedchuck can't be bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:38 am Eureka!

I've been thinking Juliets is town.

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This is counteracted if I assume Sloonei is town. Fuck I don't know what to do with this guy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:26 am A part of me thinks Sloonei is town because it's so blatant if he's not and he fought me on TH the same way and it was frustrating the same way.

It's Jay. I know it's Jay. I don't know who else it is.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:47 pm I’m gonna pretend that a wolf gets arrowed tonight and everyone starts listening to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:45 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:33 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:30 pm I see you're saying Speed gave you his towntell.
I reffuse to believe you think I am mafia.

This is where interpretations are so critical. This has happened so many times in this game, and it is just so incredibly frustrating.

I don't "think you are mafia". I think you're one of the candidates remaining would could be. If you don't think so, well that's utterly meaningless to me. I don't know the answers and have to do the best I can. Is there something about your play so far that you feel should make you a clear civilian read? I will listen if you answer me.

Yes it is. My playstyle as mafia is at this moment different as night and day from my town play. I am such bad at wolfing that I won that game here because no one knew my town play.
You could think at the game where your wrong poe gave the game to wolves. If you are villager i am dissapointed.

I am not that well-versed in the ways that you play. We haven't really played in very many games together, and frankly I don't remember you being mafia. It may have happened somewhere, but I don't remember it.

And there it is again. My "wrong POE gave the game to the wolves" in a game where I was mislynched. It's all my fault.

I am held to a standard like no other. I always have been. It's okay, I ask for it given the way I played for so long. Zen Jay tried to change the dynamic a bit, but he has yet to make through a full game in tact. People will have to know better eventually.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:33 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:30 pm I see you're saying Speed gave you his towntell.
I reffuse to believe you think I am mafia.

This is where interpretations are so critical. This has happened so many times in this game, and it is just so incredibly frustrating.

I don't "think you are mafia". I think you're one of the candidates remaining would could be. If you don't think so, well that's utterly meaningless to me. I don't know the answers and have to do the best I can. Is there something about your play so far that you feel should make you a clear civilian read? I will listen if you answer me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:30 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:28 am Ok. So Jay is wolf based on behaviour and you suspect Sloonei as his team mate.
These were exactly my town reads and now I have to change them to trust you.

Talk to me about everyone please. I have to read few pages and I should return to reread, I dropped that because I worked yesterday and I am sorry.

Forget Sloonei.

Why do you trust Jay?