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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:But why are those strange things suspicious? What would be the benefit in a scum strategy like the one I used? What angle was I trying to work, and what was my motivation?
Uhh.. You wanted to lynch a civ?
I am not the first person to find a civilian suspicious on Day 1. That has happened in every game of mafia ever played.
Thats not what I'm saying.
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Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:But why are those strange things suspicious? What would be the benefit in a scum strategy like the one I used? What angle was I trying to work, and what was my motivation?
Uhh.. You wanted to lynch a civ?
I am not the first person to find a civilian suspicious on Day 1. That has happened in every game of mafia ever played.
Thats not what I'm saying.
Then what are you saying?
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Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:But why are those strange things suspicious? What would be the benefit in a scum strategy like the one I used? What angle was I trying to work, and what was my motivation?
Uhh.. You wanted to lynch a civ?
I am not the first person to find a civilian suspicious on Day 1. That has happened in every game of mafia ever played.
Thats not what I'm saying.
Then what are you saying?
Baddies (you) knowingly lynch civs. This also happens in every mafia game ever played. That's your motivation. The benefit is that you get a dead civ. I'm not sure what you expected when you asked me this, its pretty straightforward.
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Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:But why are those strange things suspicious? What would be the benefit in a scum strategy like the one I used? What angle was I trying to work, and what was my motivation?
Uhh.. You wanted to lynch a civ?
I am not the first person to find a civilian suspicious on Day 1. That has happened in every game of mafia ever played.
Thats not what I'm saying.
Then what are you saying?
Baddies (you) knowingly lynch civs. This also happens in every mafia game ever played. That's your motivation. The benefit is that you get a dead civ. I'm not sure what you expected when you asked me this, its pretty straightforward.
So is your suspicion completely arbitrary? I didn't even end up voting for Scotty. 4 other people did. Are they all scum too? You voted for me, ergo you wanted to lynch a civ and are also bad. This is a completely meaningless accusation. You've laid out a more elaborate case about how I came in trying to spin the lynch against either one of you or Scotty and this suspicion made no sense to me. This is what I was getting at with my questions. I want to make sense of it, or determine that it does not make sense.
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Quin, what do you believe was Sloonei's intention when he pushed for a CFD against INH?
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Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:But why are those strange things suspicious? What would be the benefit in a scum strategy like the one I used? What angle was I trying to work, and what was my motivation?
Uhh.. You wanted to lynch a civ?
I am not the first person to find a civilian suspicious on Day 1. That has happened in every game of mafia ever played.
Thats not what I'm saying.
Then what are you saying?
Baddies (you) knowingly lynch civs. This also happens in every mafia game ever played. That's your motivation. The benefit is that you get a dead civ. I'm not sure what you expected when you asked me this, its pretty straightforward.
So is your suspicion completely arbitrary? I didn't even end up voting for Scotty. 4 other people did. Are they all scum too? You voted for me, ergo you wanted to lynch a civ and are also bad. This is a completely meaningless accusation. You've laid out a more elaborate case about how I came in trying to spin the lynch against either one of you or Scotty and this suspicion made no sense to me. This is what I was getting at with my questions. I want to make sense of it, or determine that it does not make sense.

I don't know for sure who the baddies are Sloonei.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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Sloonei lets pick this up again when I'm not phone posting. Its stressing me out and I just cant understand you right now.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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Let's assume I am town just for the purposes of this exercise: Who's your top suspect after me?
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Quin wrote:Sloonei lets pick this up again when I'm not phone posting. Its stressing me out and I just cant understand you right now.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, what do you believe was Sloonei's intention when he pushed for a CFD against INH?
Can I also put this off until tonight? Im not as caught up as id like to be. That would have happened when I was sleeping.

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Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, what do you believe was Sloonei's intention when he pushed for a CFD against INH?
Can I also put this off until tonight? Im not as caught up as id like to be. That would have happened when I was sleeping.

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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Day 1

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm voting Scotty.

I don't see anything in the post that Jay mentioned to vote for leetic. I don't have time to look at inh. Preceding Scotty's flip, I don't like Jay's actions at the end of this lynch. I know he likes to push buttons, but the reasons for lynching Scotty are stronger to me than elsewhere.
You voted Scotty because you don't like my actions?

Well I hope you're right.
Negative. Those two thoughts were not related.
Sloonei wrote:Not liking that Marmot vote. I am full throttle on this INH thing. Lynch him tomorrow or else.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH looks terrible. leetic looks crappy. I actually don't think MM looks as bad as those two. Golden wasn't here for EOD. Epignosis didn't say anything about Scotty's response to his question, that's less than ideal.
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I don't understand your suspicion.
Golden wrote:It's easy for me to say after seeing scotty's lynch, but I do believe if I were around for EoD I would have switched to inh. But, y'know - wifom.

It's just one of those things about having to vote 7 or 8 hours before the deadline. Sorry Scotty.
I don't think this is a case of WIFOM.
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Scotty wrote: Quin, I think it was you who said it was suspicious if I change up my day 1 strategies from my norm. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I don't like giving tone reads on day 1, because I'm generally bad at them, but I figured practice makes perfect. It in this case, practice makes me get lynched day 1. So...cumquats.
I did not! I merely pointed it out as an observation and even argued that it was not suspicious :shrug2:
I think Day 1 is much too early for Scotty to be dishing out scum-reads because they haven't stepped up to the plate, so that's mildly suspicious. Also interesting to note that he's straying from his typical 'voting an inactive on Day 1' strategy, which I find less so, because meta is meta and not evidence.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty's response to Epignosis isn't very persuasive.

He does make a good point to Quin. I said I was changing my Day 1 tactic, and Quin had nothing to say about it. Scotty changes his Day 1 tactics, and gets suspected for it.
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Scotty was the wagon I was most in favor of voting. I don't find leetic's post suspicious, and I didn't have time to read inh.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH looks terrible. leetic looks crappy. I actually don't think MM looks as bad as those two. Golden wasn't here for EOD. Epignosis didn't say anything about Scotty's response to his question, that's less than ideal.
You know what else is less than ideal? A lynch ending in the middle of a lecture on Anne Bradstreet and its relation to Puritanical beliefs.
Any opinion on INH and leetic?
leetic has three posts, only one of which says anything. So I have no opinion on leetic himself. However, INH expressed outrage at a leetic lynch but made no effort between then and voting to get somebody else lynched. Look at the times of those two posts. That's a long time to be morally outraged and do nothing to find an alternative.
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Do you have time to read INH now? He only has like 9 posts.
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Sloonei wrote:Do you have time to read INH now? He only has like 9 posts.
I can give you general observations now and elaborate later.
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After what he felt was a successful interview, Donald Trump headed back to his mobile headquarters. Before calling it a night, however, he had to check in on Barron's progress on Michael Glassner's interrogation. He approached an otherwise unassuming limo and knocked on the window. The door opened and he slid inside.

"How did Glassner handle the questioning?" Donald asked.

"Well enough," Barron replied. "He seemed to sweat over a few questions but that's to be expected under the circumstances."

"Indeed. So he's clean?"

"Far from it."

"Go on."

"We traced his old and new devices for internet activity. On both of his phones and his old laptop he accessed a series of forums under the username 'Scotty.'"

"I don't get it," Donald grumbled, "his middle name isn't Scott."

"Correct. Several of the forums he posted on were Star Trek fan forums. Mostly harmless really. A few roleplaying sites and a fan fiction forum. Apparently he likes the Star Trek character of Scotty quite a bit."

"Oh don't tell me he's one of those weirdos!"

"Not exactly, dad. You see, I hacked into those sites because his post history is extensive and goes back well before the start of your campaign. I then also hacked the servers those forums are hosted on to gather IP address information relating to his accounts. His access point history revealed a few geographic anomalies."

"The hell does that mean?" asked Donald.

"It means our Michael Glassner was logging on to these froums from locations that Michael Glassner should not have logged on from."

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"Call it a night, champ," Donald said. Proud of his son, he hugged him and kissed the top of his head. "It can wait for tomorrow. Besides, with this Wes Boyd in isolation, maybe we can get more information out of him and figure out where the real Michael Glassner is and when they switched places. Good work son."

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I town read INH. I think he comes out looking good in his dialogue with 3j. I need timing and context to give an opinion on his Scotty vote, so ill talk about that when I'm at a computer.


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Well I'm going to need to reprocess everything in light of that. :huh:
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That's a wonderful change. :beer:

I'll still reread inh though, yes.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Well I'm going to need to reprocess everything in light of that. :huh:
Mmhm. I feel much better about sloonei now.
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The content which exists between the original reveal and the new reveal might prove very illuminating. I've never seen this before (a mid-phase reveal change), and I suspect some/all of the baddies haven't either -- they may have known it was coming, but either way the behavior figures to be atypical of the standard reveal reactions. I'll look into it when I have an opportunity later.
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Mmhm. I feel much better about sloonei now.
I might actually feel worse. XD

I don't know, I'm going to try to block it all out until I have time to reassess objectively.
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Oh goodie. Feel much better about my vote (and what my gut was saying) now.

Quin goes right back on the table, for one. Quin, were you actually doubting sloonei? For me, sloonei is townie number one and was even with scotty's town flip.

In fact, I'm feeling a bit 'mafia championship' about this, and I'm saying that at this point sloonei, Jay and epi are not in my PoE. Don't ask me what PoE stands for, I never figured that out. Rico probably isn't either.

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Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Well I'm going to need to reprocess everything in light of that. :huh:
Mmhm. I feel much better about sloonei now.
I might actually feel worse. XD

I don't know, I'm going to try to block it all out until I have time to reassess objectively.
Why? I do not think that Sloonei or Scotty could be teammates. There's a caveat tovthat which I've seen him do before, but I want to discuss it via computer.
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Golden wrote:Oh goodie. Feel much better about my vote (and what my gut was saying) now.

Quin goes right back on the table, for one. Quin, were you actually doubting sloonei? For me, sloonei is townie number one and was even with scotty's town flip.

In fact, I'm feeling a bit 'mafia championship' about this, and I'm saying that at this point sloonei, Jay and epi are not in my PoE. Don't ask me what PoE stands for, I never figured that out. Rico probably isn't either.

I need to look back on that End of Day, but I see no reason based on recollection to rule inh or leetic out, despite scotty being bad. So, my PoE at the moment is:

Beck, Boomslang, Wilgy, inh, leetic, MM, MP, Quin, SVS, maybe rico (need to revisit).
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"How did Glassner handle the questioning?" Donald asked.

"Well enough," Barron replied. "He seemed to sweat over a few questions but that's to be expected under the circumstances."

"Indeed. So he's clean?"

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"I don't get it," Donald grumbled, "his middle name isn't Scott."

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Well I'm going to need to reprocess everything in light of that. :huh:
Mmhm. I feel much better about sloonei now.
I might actually feel worse. XD

I don't know, I'm going to try to block it all out until I have time to reassess objectively.
This is good, I also have doubts about you. You were opposed to the Scotty wagon from the moment it started. You pounced on INH with me as soon as the alternative arose. Your other big suspect has been leetic, who has three posts which are largely unsubstantial.
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So what you're saying is Jay should be in my PoE. OK. Interesting. I'll have to look at that, I've felt good about Jay all game.

Question, sloonei - should MM be in the PoE?
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Golden wrote:So what you're saying is Jay should be in my PoE. OK. Interesting. I'll have to look at that, I've felt good about Jay all game.

Question, sloonei - should MM be in the PoE?
WELL his vote for Scotty now looks pretty good, but not good enough to dismiss him as a suspect especially considering his WIFOMy nature. Jay is a worthy suspect.
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More specifically, is this quote from scotty, taken together with MM's vote, able to be seen as indicating that there probably isn't a teammate relationship?

I tend to think MM comes out looking pretty good, interested in opinions.
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Do we assume that the democrats knew that Scotty's role would be concealed and then revealed the way it was? I've never seen anything like this, but I assume it was no accident. The first person who comes to my mind when considering this is Quin. He was using Scotty's civ flip to push hard against me. That could have been genuine. We both tunneled each other to hell and back in Turf Wars, and we ended up being two townies. But that suspicion made no sense to me at the time and it still does not, even though he has retracted it.
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Golden wrote:So what you're saying is Jay should be in my PoE. OK. Interesting. I'll have to look at that, I've felt good about Jay all game.

Question, sloonei - should MM be in the PoE?
WELL his vote for Scotty now looks pretty good, but not good enough to dismiss him as a suspect especially considering his WIFOMy nature. Jay is a worthy suspect.
I'm basically confirmed civ.

My top 3 suspects are Ricochet, Jay, and Epignosis. :ponder:

Scratch that, Epignosis is coming off the list. But Jay and Rico will stay.
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"How did Glassner handle the questioning?" Donald asked.

"Well enough," Barron replied. "He seemed to sweat over a few questions but that's to be expected under the circumstances."

"Indeed. So he's clean?"

"Far from it."

"Go on."

"We traced his old and new devices for internet activity. On both of his phones and his old laptop he accessed a series of forums under the username 'Scotty.'"

"I don't get it," Donald grumbled, "his middle name isn't Scott."

"Correct. Several of the forums he posted on were Star Trek fan forums. Mostly harmless really. A few roleplaying sites and a fan fiction forum. Apparently he likes the Star Trek character of Scotty quite a bit."

"Oh don't tell me he's one of those weirdos!"

"Not exactly, dad. You see, I hacked into those sites because his post history is extensive and goes back well before the start of your campaign. I then also hacked the servers those forums are hosted on to gather IP address information relating to his accounts. His access point history revealed a few geographic anomalies."

"The hell does that mean?" asked Donald.

"It means our Michael Glassner was logging on to these froums from locations that Michael Glassner should not have logged on from."

"Because he's a phony?"

"Exactly. I hacked the email addresses he registered on those forums with. He tried to cover his tracks but he failed to do it well enough. One of the email addresses belongs to Wes Boyd. He and his wife, Joan Blades co-founded the liberal activist website MoveOn.org and he was recruited for something called Operation Cobalt. I haven't cracked the encryption on those emails yet but I'm working on it."

"Call it a night, champ," Donald said. Proud of his son, he hugged him and kissed the top of his head. "It can wait for tomorrow. Besides, with this Wes Boyd in isolation, maybe we can get more information out of him and figure out where the real Michael Glassner is and when they switched places. Good work son."

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Golden wrote:More specifically, is this quote from scotty, taken together with MM's vote, able to be seen as indicating that there probably isn't a teammate relationship?

I tend to think MM comes out looking pretty good, interested in opinions.
Scotty wrote:Epi, I answered your question. MM said you were a suspect, and he stuck to it. As for his reasoning, yeah, it's weak, but at least he's making an accusation. That's why I view him as more civ than usual.
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Sloonei wrote:Do we assume that the democrats knew that Scotty's role would be concealed and then revealed the way it was? I've never seen anything like this, but I assume it was no accident. The first person who comes to my mind when considering this is Quin. He was using Scotty's civ flip to push hard against me. That could have been genuine. We both tunneled each other to hell and back in Turf Wars, and we ended up being two townies. But that suspicion made no sense to me at the time and it still does not, even though he has retracted it.
I do not think the democrats knew that Scotty's town-flip would end up revealed (working theory) and that makes Quin look worse, to me, but Quin already looked worse anyway.

Ironically, as with Scotty, I think this is the first game in which I have ever suspected Quin.
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Golden wrote:So what you're saying is Jay should be in my PoE. OK. Interesting. I'll have to look at that, I've felt good about Jay all game.

Question, sloonei - should MM be in the PoE?
WELL his vote for Scotty now looks pretty good, but not good enough to dismiss him as a suspect especially considering his WIFOMy nature. Jay is a worthy suspect.
I'm basically confirmed civ.

My top 3 suspects are Ricochet, Jay, and Epignosis. :ponder:

Scratch that, Epignosis is coming off the list. But Jay and Rico will stay.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here's a lynch poll for anyone who wants it.
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Beck
0
No votes

Boomslang
0
No votes

DrWilgy
0
No votes

Epignosis
0
No votes

Golden
0
No votes

insertnamehere
3
JaggedJimmyJay (11), Sloonei (12), Ricochet (14)
21%

JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes

leetic
2
Scotty (4), Boomslang (6)
14%

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

MovingPictures07
1
Beck (2)
7%

Quin
0
No votes

Ricochet
1
DrWilgy (3)
7%

S~V~S
0
No votes

Scotty
5
Golden (7), Epignosis (8), leetic (9), insertnamehere (10), Metalmarsh89 (13)
36%

Sloonei
1
Quin (5)
7%

Crooked Hillary (hosts, mod, non-players)
1
G-Man (1)
7%


Total votes : 14
Thank you for the poll data. I will add screenshots of the Day 0 and Day 1 polls to a separate thread tomorrow morning. My wife is on our desktop for the evening, which is what I need to use to load the images. :rolleyes:
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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No way that the Jay/rico thing was teammates. One of them tops.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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Golden wrote:So what you're saying is Jay should be in my PoE. OK. Interesting. I'll have to look at that, I've felt good about Jay all game.

Question, sloonei - should MM be in the PoE?
WELL his vote for Scotty now looks pretty good, but not good enough to dismiss him as a suspect especially considering his WIFOMy nature. Jay is a worthy suspect.
I'm basically confirmed civ.

My top 3 suspects are Ricochet, Jay, and Epignosis. :ponder:

Scratch that, Epignosis is coming off the list. But Jay and Rico will stay.
Are they jointly suspicious, as in you think they're working together? Or is this an either/or thing?
My suspicion of them is independent of each other.

I also don't understand the either/or argument. If I suspect a player, and they turn out to be civilian, why should another player be bad, and why should this logic also work in reverse on the same two players?

I'm not trying to criticize you, I just want to understand what benefit there is to this.
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Golden wrote:No way that the Jay/rico thing was teammates. One of them tops.
Would you mind explaining why you've felt that Jay is town up to this point?
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
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Golden wrote:So what you're saying is Jay should be in my PoE. OK. Interesting. I'll have to look at that, I've felt good about Jay all game.

Question, sloonei - should MM be in the PoE?
WELL his vote for Scotty now looks pretty good, but not good enough to dismiss him as a suspect especially considering his WIFOMy nature. Jay is a worthy suspect.
I'm basically confirmed civ.

My top 3 suspects are Ricochet, Jay, and Epignosis. :ponder:

Scratch that, Epignosis is coming off the list. But Jay and Rico will stay.
Are they jointly suspicious, as in you think they're working together? Or is this an either/or thing?
My suspicion of them is independent of each other.

I also don't understand the either/or argument. If I suspect a player, and they turn out to be civilian, why should another player be bad, and why should this logic also work in reverse on the same two players?

I'm not trying to criticize you, I just want to understand what benefit there is to this.
I was more just asking if the suspicions were independent, like you said. They seem like an unlikely pair of scum partners, I think we are in agreement there. No reason they can't both be good, of course.
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Golden wrote:Oh goodie. Feel much better about my vote (and what my gut was saying) now.

Quin goes right back on the table, for one. Quin, were you actually doubting sloonei? For me, sloonei is townie number one and was even with scotty's town flip.

In fact, I'm feeling a bit 'mafia championship' about this, and I'm saying that at this point sloonei, Jay and epi are not in my PoE. Don't ask me what PoE stands for, I never figured that out. Rico probably isn't either.

I need to look back on that End of Day, but I see no reason based on recollection to rule inh or leetic out, despite scotty being bad. So, my PoE at the moment is:

Beck, Boomslang, Wilgy, inh, leetic, MM, MP, Quin, SVS, maybe rico (need to revisit).
Oh, and can you explain what a PoE does? I get if you can't tell what it means, but you've thrown a bunch of people on this list. Is it like a list of FoSs?
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Scotty wrote:Honest question, Rico: I know you're not in the States, but do you find ourself gravitating towards any particular politician over here? What's your take on the political climate? Very curious.
Would Scotty ask a teammate something like this when he could ask in the semi-privacy of BTSC? I would say no. I've had lots of BTSC with Scotty compared to other people, and he's a talker. I realize people don't like factoring in OT green stuff, but if it's in the thread, I use it. This is a point in Ricochet's favor.
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