RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
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Golden wrote:So what you're saying is Jay should be in my PoE. OK. Interesting. I'll have to look at that, I've felt good about Jay all game.

Question, sloonei - should MM be in the PoE?
WELL his vote for Scotty now looks pretty good, but not good enough to dismiss him as a suspect especially considering his WIFOMy nature. Jay is a worthy suspect.
I'm basically confirmed civ.

My top 3 suspects are Ricochet, Jay, and Epignosis. :ponder:

Scratch that, Epignosis is coming off the list. But Jay and Rico will stay.
Are they jointly suspicious, as in you think they're working together? Or is this an either/or thing?
My suspicion of them is independent of each other.

I also don't understand the either/or argument. If I suspect a player, and they turn out to be civilian, why should another player be bad, and why should this logic also work in reverse on the same two players?

I'm not trying to criticize you, I just want to understand what benefit there is to this.
I was more just asking if the suspicions were independent, like you said. They seem like an unlikely pair of scum partners, I think we are in agreement there. No reason they can't both be good, of course.
Why are they unlikely scum partners?

Browsing back through their Wall-Postathon, Ricochet was the one who called Jay out for "townreading someone who was making a smiley case". Ricochet didn't voice any suspicion of Jay as a result , just countered his townread of me, and continued to fight the point. Jay did counter with a vote for Ricochet. From what I've read, I think Ricochet is more likely to be a Demi.

My thoughts are starting to swim, so I'm going to leave this topic alone for the time being.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Day 0

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Scotty wrote:Honest question, Rico: I know you're not in the States, but do you find ourself gravitating towards any particular politician over here? What's your take on the political climate? Very curious.
Would Scotty ask a teammate something like this when he could ask in the semi-privacy of BTSC? I would say no. I've had lots of BTSC with Scotty compared to other people, and he's a talker. I realize people don't like factoring in OT green stuff, but if it's in the thread, I use it. This is a point in Ricochet's favor.
Being that the question is related to the game, and an easy chance to instigate an interaction with another player, I disagree.

But I think looking at Rico/Scotty interactions will tell us more.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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Sloonei wrote:
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Well I'm going to need to reprocess everything in light of that. :huh:
Mmhm. I feel much better about sloonei now.
I might actually feel worse. XD

I don't know, I'm going to try to block it all out until I have time to reassess objectively.
This is good, I also have doubts about you. You were opposed to the Scotty wagon from the moment it started. You pounced on INH with me as soon as the alternative arose. Your other big suspect has been leetic, who has three posts which are largely unsubstantial.
If my goal is to save my partner, I never need your INH CFD. I stay on leetic and I push that case.

I wasn't "opposed to the Scotty wagon from the moment it started". At one point I even said I was content with it. I didn't take a harder stance against it until the EOD sequence during which you did the same thing. And props to Scotty, I'm a boob. I shouldn't have done that. But shit happens.

The reason my immediate reaction to the new reveal features new doubt about you is the pre-flip town projection Beck was referring to. I didn't care about it at when I really believed Scotty was town, but it has new meaning when he appears town but actually isn't. The same CFD attempt I took part in was your own creation. With a little time to think about it though I am not inclined to attack you for this. The CFD was always relatively unlikely to come to fruition, and I don't know that you'd be so sloppy as to peel away from your team mate at the last minute for a hail mary CFD.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Day 1

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Moreover, my original counterwagon (leetic) wasn't one I felt great about either:
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Golden wrote:I just realised I need to final vote now, because I won't wake up before the lynch.

That made me briefly consider moving to leetic, but I think back to many day ones recently where I've voted for someone who ends up getting lynched for, essentially, phoning it in a little in a way that makes them look bad, and they keep being town. It makes me hesitate from doing a reactive vote on to someone I don't have a genuine read on.

Scotty isn't phoning it in... it felt like sloonei genuinely caught him in something.

So, I'll keep my vote on scotty and revisit leetic tomorrow.
Part of me agrees with this regarding leetic. The necessary apathy to vote for self-preservation without even making a post smells rather town. It's quite frustrating really, because when we get to a place where that is a town indicator, then being scum is easier than ever. We need to sit down as a group and discuss these trends. :disappoint:

In any event, I'm content with the two major wagons as they are. I can see a reasonable chance of a baddie flip either way and I'm always down for a close Day 1 finish.
I thought the leetic and Scotty wagons were good enough for Day 1, and that they were close made me feel like information could be gleaned. If my intention is to rescue Scotty, I don't express this manner of doubt about my own counterwagon. It's counterproductive and inefficient, and baddie JJJ is no such thing.

WIFOM and all that, but I don't care.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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I find myself wondering if I should even trust the new Scotty reveal should be trusted unequivocally. I've never seen something like this before and I have to wonder what brought it about. I can think of a couple obvious possbilities:

1. Scotty is bad, and a "temporary seemer" type mechanic was included in his role.

2. Scotty is good, and the baddies have a "frame/death miller" type ability to make a dead townie look bad.

I'll proceed with my interactive reads under the assumption that he was bad, but I am not 100% certain he was. G-Man is a troll. :meany:
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I find myself wondering if I should even trust the new Scotty reveal should be trusted unequivocally. I've never seen something like this before and I have to wonder what brought it about. I can think of a couple obvious possbilities:

1. Scotty is bad, and a "temporary seemer" type mechanic was included in his role.

2. Scotty is good, and the baddies have a "frame/death miller" type ability to make a dead townie look bad.

I'll proceed with my interactive reads under the assumption that he was bad, but I am not 100% certain he was. G-Man is a troll. :meany:
Whatever the case, I've never seen anything like this at all. Combining this with my attempt to play two games simultaneously and my mafia head is spinning. What is happening, where am I?
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Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Honest question, Rico: I know you're not in the States, but do you find ourself gravitating towards any particular politician over here? What's your take on the political climate? Very curious.
Would Scotty ask a teammate something like this when he could ask in the semi-privacy of BTSC? I would say no. I've had lots of BTSC with Scotty compared to other people, and he's a talker. I realize people don't like factoring in OT green stuff, but if it's in the thread, I use it. This is a point in Ricochet's favor.
I'm willing to accept this as a point in Rico's favor. I can't claim confidence, but I think your point is valid.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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My initial thoughts of the Scotty votes:

They all look better than before. Golden had no obligation to participate in the anti-Scotty thread climate given his more limited availability, but he did it anyway. If he was bad I am not sure he'd show the same enthusiasm and initiative. Epignosis had every opportunity to move his at EOD and he did not. leetic's utter failure to say a word when he placed his self-preservation vote (SPV) might actually make it better than the average SPV. If he is offing his own team mate in the process, I figure he would say something to try to cash in on some of the associated town credit. INH's vote was numerically important, as it put Scotty in the lead. MM's vote was essentially a hammer vote.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Day 1

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Scotty wrote:2 fantasy drafts in one day makes Jack a dull boy

I'm back, bitches.
And now you're gone. :beer:
Scotty wrote: I gotta be horny, brothas and sistas. I skimmed right through those wallposts of semantics bw Rico and JJJ. I think I got the gist, but I just don't care really. It's like a couple of sea lions fighting over a rock. It's a rock- there are other rocks.
Horny Scotty didn't want to weigh in on the Ricochet and 3J interaction.
Scotty wrote:I like JJJ bringing up that just because someone can turn a pamphlet about horse breeds into a novel about World War II (I'm paraphrasing/largely misinterpreting) doesn't mean he is a seasoned writer. I can words words on the words page too. But JJJ in particular has been very WIFOMy this game. I'm not gonna quote the posts, and I know he's gonna want me to, but there have been little nuggets of JJJ bringing up arguments that made me cock my head. I'm still incredibly "meh" about JJJ. But I don't in particular take to WIFOMy asides.
Scotty gave 3J a positive mention with one of his trademark analogies, but then gave him a negative mention without any evidence to back it up. I don't know how you can be "incredibly meh" about someone. Is that the height of ambivalence or apathy?
Scotty wrote: Then Rico went and started making pictograms of trumptweets and while they are innovative, I can't help but imagine Rico spending a superfluous amount of time to set up that trope. Is that alignment indicative? Maybe. Hiding behind a gimmick is something I thought I read in my catchup as something someone shouldn't be judged too harshly for. But why? It is a gimmick. It's a man in drag is what it is. I'm feeling less good about Rico, but not enough to vote him today.
Ricochet gets a "maybe." Again, no stance from Scotty. As I said, he was reluctant to weigh in one way or the other on these two titanic voices.
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Scotty tends to view MP's "normal I'm busy crap" as bad, which leads me to believe MP is not, since it is clear that Scotty was not genuine about trying a new thing and not voting a no poster. He even reneged on that later, leaving his vote on leetic.
Scotty wrote: Sloonei is not as active as I expected him to be on Day 1. He gave an excuse, but I just, you know, expect more Sloon, and less nei.
I don't have an opinion on this.
Scotty wrote: Epi? He's Epi. I don't see anything out of the ordinary with Epi. Yet. Why does he have 2 votes?

MM- wow this guy I actually read...as good this game. I don't know what it is honestly. He's not as zany, he's more direct in his accusations. It's just atypical Mm day 1 behavior, and I'm liking it I think. Not that I don't like silly Mm behavior, but that I also like this guy as well. Enough so that I'm not gonn vote him today.
This is why I voted Scotty.

I would like to hear opinions on this part of Scotty's post regarding MM.
Scotty wrote: Beck came out guns ablazing with his hung-ho "I'm-new-here-but-ima-fuck-shit-up" mentality, and it was refreshing. But I wonder if he is acting rather than being. You know whaddimsayin?
Scotty left himself open to voting Beck for no reason, which is a good sign for Beck.
Scotty wrote: Golden picked it up since I last called him lackluster. He got gritty being a third party omniscient on the Rico/JJJ thing. So he's a slight civ read to me.
I don't have an opinion on this.
Scotty wrote: Quin? I have no read on Quin. But fine, if I must. GTH: Bad. :shrug2:
Scotty had "no read" on Quin. That's sure enough. Scotty calling him bad doesn't mean anything to me one way or the other.
Scotty wrote: Who am I missing?

Linki; oh, DrWilgy. I forgot you were playing. Whatchu got to say, bababooshakakee?
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PoE does indeed stand for process of elimination. A list of players in a "PoE" refers to those players who are still perceived to be viable suspects of being teamed with the dead mafioso. Those who are not in the PoE have been eliminated from contention for being team mates.

A true PoE implies objective evidence exists, like cop peeks. Golden's is a subjective PoE, and I agree with most of it. Mine is situated here right now:

Beck
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Quin
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This isn't to say that the other names are permanently absolved of suspicion. These are the names I am currently inclined to focus on though.
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HEY! What do we all think of my initial claim that Scotty and Quin are teammates? This is something I should look at.
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Scotty's departing post:
Scotty wrote:Arghhh ive been away, I'm behind again and now see the light slowly fading. :sigh: Too much to respond to within 30 minutes.

I didn't NO-U Sloonei because I didn't know if that was a baddie or civ mindset. I felt manipulated by his leading of the witness, but like someone said, if he is wrong in his antics (which he is) and bad, then he's so dead on D2. I just think he's a bit too smug about thinking he caught me saving my teammate in Quin or whatever.
This accusation of manipulation by Sloonei solidifies the notion that their interaction was not coordinated, IMO.
Scotty wrote:Quin, I think it was you who said it was suspicious if I change up my day 1 strategies from my norm. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I don't like giving tone reads on day 1, because I'm generally bad at them, but I figured practice makes perfect. It in this case, practice makes me get lynched day 1. So...cumquats.
This is a self-defense and not a read, which means it serves no purpose in a legacy post. Perhaps that's meaningful.
Scotty wrote:Epi, I answered your question. MM said you were a suspect, and he stuck to it. As for his reasoning, yeah, it's weak, but at least he's making an accusation. That's why I view him as more civ than usual.
This doesn't tell me much about Epi (I'm more inclined to read that from the other direction). However, it might be a TMI about MM. Scotty found an excuse to town read MM, and it doesn't look to me like a defense mechanism. It looks like a credit grab, which would imply his claim was accurate.
Scotty wrote:And thanks for the NO-U leetic, without word.
A little parting shade at the player who was at the time his most viable counterwagon. Decent look I guess.
Scotty wrote:Please investigate Wilgy after today. His random blah posting and throwaway vote Rings fishy to me
The only name he spoke in a distinctly accusatory way. I think there might be deliberate WIFOM in this, the sort that wouldn't be great for Wilgy.
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Sloonei wrote:HEY! What do we all think of my initial claim that Scotty and Quin are teammates? This is something I should look at.
It's worth examining more closely.
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Scotty wrote:Oh shit I forgot boom, INH, leetic, and SVS.

Man, I really want to vote one of them just because I don't remember wha they've done this game. But I said I wouldn't be looking at low posters and no-shows specifically. ITS SO HARD THO because that's inherently suspicious.
This was right after his last post. At this point, Scotty had no reason to believe he would be lynched. He "forgot" four whole people. I think that's also significant. Since Scotty wasn't genuine about low-posters and no-shows, I would wager that at least someone on his team is among those names. Scotty voted leetic and left it there, even though he was around to change it to INH.
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Scotty wrote:Oh shit I forgot boom, INH, leetic, and SVS.

Man, I really want to vote one of them just because I don't remember wha they've done this game. But I said I wouldn't be looking at low posters and no-shows specifically. ITS SO HARD THO because that's inherently suspicious.
This was right after his last post. At this point, Scotty had no reason to believe he would be lynched. He "forgot" four whole people. I think that's also significant. Since Scotty wasn't genuine about low-posters and no-shows, I would wager that at least someone on his team is among those names. Scotty voted leetic and left it there, even though he was around to change it to INH.
I can't say whether this is a trend, but I made a reads list in Transistor and completely forgot to include my team mate (kneel4justice) -- I felt the urge to repair it in my next post quite like this.
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Sloonei wrote:HEY! What do we all think of my initial claim that Scotty and Quin are teammates? This is something I should look at.
I think it was correct. I found Scotty's response to your inquiries about Quin to be something that indicted them both. I also really don't like this:
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Golden wrote:I could see either Epi or Scotty as bad, but probably not together.

I think an Epi/Rico team is still well possible.
I think a Scotty/Quin team is also well possible.

That's me for now.
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The suspect my brain is screaming at me is Boomslang. I'll check him out first.

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Scotty wrote:Also none of those 6 names have I ever heard for Trump. So I selected Pocahantas in commemoration of Justice Sotomayer. :keys:
Nicknames from Trump, not for him. But Low-Energy Jeb is by far the best. Gotta love old sleepy Jeb and his pocket turtles!
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This is all he had to say to/about Scotty. It doesn't tell me much.

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Scotty wrote:Boom is high.
Scotty wrote:Oh shit I forgot boom, INH, leetic, and SVS.

Man, I really want to vote one of them just because I don't remember wha they've done this game. But I said I wouldn't be looking at low posters and no-shows specifically. ITS SO HARD THO because that's inherently suspicious.
That's it.

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Well that wasn't terribly illuminating. The worst I can say is that they didn't give a shit about each other this game, at least not enough to interact. He's at least still a compatible team mate.
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For me, I'm about 99% in on quin was bad.
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See, I'm already talking about him in the past tense :p
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Golden wrote:For me, I'm about 99% in on quin was bad.
If so, Sloonei is the GOAT.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My initial thoughts of the Scotty votes:

They all look better than before. Golden had no obligation to participate in the anti-Scotty thread climate given his more limited availability, but he did it anyway. If he was bad I am not sure he'd show the same enthusiasm and initiative. Epignosis had every opportunity to move his at EOD and he did not. leetic's utter failure to say a word when he placed his self-preservation vote (SPV) might actually make it better than the average SPV. If he is offing his own team mate in the process, I figure he would say something to try to cash in on some of the associated town credit. INH's vote was numerically important, as it put Scotty in the lead. MM's vote was essentially a hammer vote.
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Quin's suspicion of me is still something I'd like explained. It seemed to me like he was all over the place there, and it still makes very little sense to me.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My initial thoughts of the Scotty votes:

They all look better than before. Golden had no obligation to participate in the anti-Scotty thread climate given his more limited availability, but he did it anyway. If he was bad I am not sure he'd show the same enthusiasm and initiative. Epignosis had every opportunity to move his at EOD and he did not. leetic's utter failure to say a word when he placed his self-preservation vote (SPV) might actually make it better than the average SPV. If he is offing his own team mate in the process, I figure he would say something to try to cash in on some of the associated town credit. INH's vote was numerically important, as it put Scotty in the lead. MM's vote was essentially a hammer vote.
Not entirely true. For what it's worth, Epignosis wasn't really around at the EoD.
I mean, he was here enough that he and I exchanged a couple of posts. I think that's all the presence he'd need to do something.
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Sloonei wrote:Quin's suspicion of me is still something I'd like explained. It seemed to me like he was all over the place there, and it still makes very little sense to me.
I'll wait until he has expanded. At this point it looks like he suspects you because you suspected a townie, which would not be an inspiring thing.
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My initial thoughts of the Scotty votes:

They all look better than before. Golden had no obligation to participate in the anti-Scotty thread climate given his more limited availability, but he did it anyway. If he was bad I am not sure he'd show the same enthusiasm and initiative. Epignosis had every opportunity to move his at EOD and he did not. leetic's utter failure to say a word when he placed his self-preservation vote (SPV) might actually make it better than the average SPV. If he is offing his own team mate in the process, I figure he would say something to try to cash in on some of the associated town credit. INH's vote was numerically important, as it put Scotty in the lead. MM's vote was essentially a hammer vote.
Not entirely true. For what it's worth, Epignosis wasn't really around at the EoD.
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My initial thoughts of the Scotty votes:

They all look better than before. Golden had no obligation to participate in the anti-Scotty thread climate given his more limited availability, but he did it anyway. If he was bad I am not sure he'd show the same enthusiasm and initiative. Epignosis had every opportunity to move his at EOD and he did not. leetic's utter failure to say a word when he placed his self-preservation vote (SPV) might actually make it better than the average SPV. If he is offing his own team mate in the process, I figure he would say something to try to cash in on some of the associated town credit. INH's vote was numerically important, as it put Scotty in the lead. MM's vote was essentially a hammer vote.
Not entirely true. For what it's worth, Epignosis wasn't really around at the EoD.
Also, INH's vote is hardly numerically important when he was the countervote, especially if the baddies expected Scotty to appear town. No reason for me to see that particular vote as making him look better.

I disagree with you on epi, though. Epi is town.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My initial thoughts of the Scotty votes:

They all look better than before. Golden had no obligation to participate in the anti-Scotty thread climate given his more limited availability, but he did it anyway. If he was bad I am not sure he'd show the same enthusiasm and initiative. Epignosis had every opportunity to move his at EOD and he did not. leetic's utter failure to say a word when he placed his self-preservation vote (SPV) might actually make it better than the average SPV. If he is offing his own team mate in the process, I figure he would say something to try to cash in on some of the associated town credit. INH's vote was numerically important, as it put Scotty in the lead. MM's vote was essentially a hammer vote.
Not entirely true. For what it's worth, Epignosis wasn't really around at the EoD.
Also, INH's vote is hardly numerically important when he was the countervote, especially if the baddies expected Scotty to appear town. No reason for me to see that particular vote as making him look better.

I disagree with you on epi, though. Epi is town.
When INH placed his vote, the counterwagon was leetic. INH himself had no votes at that moment.
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This is the thing that I really don't like about changeable votes :p
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I'm sorry G-Man and fellow players, but I'm going to have to officially asked to be replaced. We just finally got internet and pretty much everything moved in the new place but it's been beyond hectic, and with comprehensive exams now 2 weeks away I'm going to be working even more than I thought and it leaves too little time for such an active game. I look forward to playing Blue VS Red though!
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MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm sorry G-Man and fellow players, but I'm going to have to officially asked to be replaced. We just finally got internet and pretty much everything moved in the new place but it's been beyond hectic, and with comprehensive exams now 2 weeks away I'm going to be working even more than I thought and it leaves too little time for such an active game. I look forward to playing Blue VS Red though!
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Sloonei wrote:I've read things. This thread is like 75% jay and rico. And in that exchange I like Jay's wall better. Or, more accurately, Rico's wall lost me pretty early. They both did, but I had more trouble following Rico's line of thought. I do not know how much of that is roleplay and how much is him just not making sense.
That said, the only alignment-indicative thing I pulled out of the exchange was Rico's apparent overreaction to MM's initial accusation, and the continued overreaction during the entire exchange. Even an honest Trump shouldn't have had to take such strong opposition to that claim. Methinks he's compensating for something, and that something is his lack of GOP-ness. Maybe. I don't necessarily want to vote for him at this point. I feel like he would be falling victim to simply being an enormous target.

Jay is a null read. There's about a 0.001% chance both of them are scum.
I agree with this assessment. Though I'm not sure I "like" any particular wall better than the other. I do think Rico could be building a wall of his own though... :workit: (thanks, be here all night. Remember to tip your waitress)
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Could you quote the posts? :|

The only thing I can think of that might be interpreted as WIFOMy was "I don't care if I'm right". That?

It seems that no matter how many times I try to describe the way I play this game on Day 0/1, people still don't get it. So :shrug2:.
Since I'm around for a sec, I'll try and dig them up as best I can I guess.

You said you would do a master class on Day 1 strategies, and I'm willing to listen.

Sometimes. I might have ADD though. Either that, or SUBTRACT.
I've stared at these two interactions long enough. I don't get anything from them.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My initial thoughts of the Scotty votes:

They all look better than before. Golden had no obligation to participate in the anti-Scotty thread climate given his more limited availability, but he did it anyway. If he was bad I am not sure he'd show the same enthusiasm and initiative. Epignosis had every opportunity to move his at EOD and he did not. leetic's utter failure to say a word when he placed his self-preservation vote (SPV) might actually make it better than the average SPV. If he is offing his own team mate in the process, I figure he would say something to try to cash in on some of the associated town credit. INH's vote was numerically important, as it put Scotty in the lead. MM's vote was essentially a hammer vote.
Not entirely true. For what it's worth, Epignosis wasn't really around at the EoD.
Also, INH's vote is hardly numerically important when he was the countervote, especially if the baddies expected Scotty to appear town. No reason for me to see that particular vote as making him look better.

I disagree with you on epi, though. Epi is town.
Epignosis is off my suspect list.

You seem off, Golden. Maybe it's that I have high expectations of you, but it seems to me you're a bit unfocused this game or something.

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:You seem off, Golden. Maybe it's that I have high expectations of you, but it seems to me you're a bit unfocused this game or something.
If you think I'm unfocussed in THIS game, you must really have not been paying attention to Romance of the Three Kingdoms!

Au contraire, I'm very focussed. But I do have less time to post, and I am doing things a bit differently (intentionally). For one thing, I've never played a heist here before and games with very few power roles are something I've decided to take a different approach to (I learned a lot in the Mafia Champs... I held my own, but I learned a lot).
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I'm home. Let me get my shit together and I'll address everything I can.
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I also voted Day 3 because I feel like I'm gonna need it, assuming I live that long.
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Sloonei wrote:Quin's suspicion of me is still something I'd like explained. It seemed to me like he was all over the place there, and it still makes very little sense to me.

apologies for not providing any substance right now, i am distracted.
I'm not-so-inclined to see you as bad now, because Scotty wouldn't likely have been lynched without your goading to set up the case against him. But like I said before, there's a caveat to that: which is in that the last time I remember playing with you on the other forum, you bussed your own team so you could supertown until the end. I forget what the end result of that was, but I imagine you'll understand what I'm talking about. Do I think that's what you're doing here? No. I think the Syndicate is a lot more attuned to that sort of play which would make it more difficult for you to do so.

While those are my current thoughts, I do agree that I was coming across kind of incomprehensible before Scotty's baddie flip (one of the many benefits of phone posting), so I'll do my best to explain my thought process back then. I cannot be any clearer about anything prior to my vote though. I don't understand why you don't understand.

I scum-read you stronger than I did Scotty, but I was also of the opinion that only one of you were bad. When you initially did your run with Scotty goading him into voting for me, you left your vote on me well past the actual event, and only was it when I pushed back that you actually moved your vote. That's why I thought you were trying to set me up, and why I thought you were trying to backpedal when I wasn't having any of it. What I either missed or what you didn't post in the thread at the time is that you never voted Scotty. That's my fault, and it digs quite a hole out of my case against you, because INH was a bit more obscure of a lynch choice than Scotty was.

That's Day 1, anyway.

I was operating since under the assumption that you were voting for Scotty, not INH. That's my fault. Is this the part where we stop understanding eachother? Our dialogue more recently still worries me. It feels like you've been feigning ignorance, but we both know eachother well enough to know that we both know what we're talking about.

I'd like to know exactly what you don't understand, what I've mistaken, what we're miscommunicating, because writing this is giving me a headache and I'm not sure whether anything I've just said to you is even relevant.
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Sloonei wrote:Quin's suspicion of me is still something I'd like explained. It seemed to me like he was all over the place there, and it still makes very little sense to me.
I'll wait until he has expanded. At this point it looks like he suspects you because you suspected a townie, which would not be an inspiring thing.
His suspicion of a townie had nothing to do with it. It was how he approached his suspicion that I found hollow.

3J, remember when you said that our perspectives tend to resonate? I'm not feeling that here, and I don't trust you. :eye:
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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Scotty was actually WES BOYD disguised as Michael Glassner. He was a member of the mafia and part of Operation Cobalt.
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Cagey Marmot wrote: I'm basically confirmed civ.

My top 3 suspects are Ricochet, Jay, and Epignosis. :ponder:
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Browsing back through their Wall-Postathon, Ricochet was the one who called Jay out for "townreading someone who was making a smiley case". Ricochet didn't voice any suspicion of Jay as a result , just countered his townread of me, and continued to fight the point. Jay did counter with a vote for Ricochet. From what I've read, I think Ricochet is more likely to be a Demi.
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1. Scotty is bad, and a "temporary seemer" type mechanic was included in his role.

2. Scotty is good, and the baddies have a "frame/death miller" type ability to make a dead townie look bad.

I'll proceed with my interactive reads under the assumption that he was bad, but I am not 100% certain he was. G-Man is a troll. :meany:
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1. We would argue that a seemer is a questionable power role for a closed-up, all-flip deaths game. The seemer, by default, serves to mess up with town's perception of a baddie and his connections and basically confuse every civilian, except for the one who has the authentic civ role, who then, assuming he lives long enough afterwards, can proceed to try to dismantle the deception. Even in a game with no official infodumping allowed, the real civ can find ways to hint at the fakeness of the seemer's flip. Both you, Jaggy' Jay and our campaigner, Rick O'Shay, have experienced this harsh reality a while ago (Syndicate Mafia).

As for why Scotty's flip as Glassner wasn't questioned, even remotely, by anyone, within the "faux" interval, can mean one of several things:
1. The real Michael Glassner was active, but obeyed the strict infodump rule to the point of not finding any way to express something about the flip.
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Even so, taking in account this theory, we would further argue that a "temporary seemer" serves no purpose for the Democrats, if "temporary" means only a few hours. At the very least, such a rule should earn the Democrats a phase or so of creating mass confusion.

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A. The Democrats had no idea their Scotsman would flip civ, it would be expectable for them to fake remorse at his death, in line with every civilian reaction and perhaps also expectable for them to start fingerpointing and smearing civilians for the apparent mislynch, without knowledge that the flip will not last long.

B. The Democrats had notion of this faux-flip mechanic, it would be again expectable for them to fake it out, but less expectable for them to start fingerpointing and smearing civilians, knowing the facade will last so little.

2. The Trump campaign feels that it needs more information on what a "frame/death miller" would constitute. Even so, this kind of power role, coupled with the Scotsman's actual reveal within the course of the Night phase would imply that powers can be activated upon being sent, which would be highly uncharacteristic for the nature of this game format. We find that there is no logical explanation for the Scotsman's mid-phase flip being a smear from the Democrats, unless they could have activated mid-phase.

Given this, our personal projection is that Mr. Moderator is indeed a troll. The evidence of his taste for ante-phase, mid-phase, inter-phase, double-phase writing tends to point at that. We agree that it's a highly uncharacteristic turn of events, the kind of plot twist that a Moderator should normally not feel inclined to do, except if it's part of a mechanic triggered within the game - yet in this case, we find no solid arguments as to how this might be the case.
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@ Quin, I did vote for Scotty after you. I voted for yu, went to work, came home and changed my vote for Scotty. Then when I woke up in the morning INH had cast a vote for Scotty and tried to 100% of the responsibility for his vote on me and set me up to be a baddie if Scotty flipped town. That set off every alarm in my head, so I made a last-second push against him.

But the part of your former suspicion against me that I don't understand is why you think I would have been trying to set you up for a lynch as a scum tactic. That would require me to look at the thread as a bad guy and say "I need to focus all my energy on Quin." That's not a viable scim strategy. When I'm scum I want to leave myself open to all sorts of options. This means doing the opposite of what I did in this game.
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That's an "I just woke up" phone post if ever there was one.
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Quin wrote:3J, remember when you said that our perspectives tend to resonate? I'm not feeling that here, and I don't trust you. :eye:
Bummer dude. :shrug2:

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Sloonei wrote:That's not a viable scim strategy.
I think Sloonei just scimslupped.
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Hey leetic, why extend night 2?
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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Beck and Scotty interaction:
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Beck wrote:gg Scotty

question: who on this page kept saying Scotty was a villager?
Sloonei projected a villager flip in light of INH's vote. What interest is this to you?
I have no context so bare with me.

But it's one thing to say you believe someone is going to flip villager, and it's something entirely different to say Scotty is a villager. I'll have to read it all on my own time but wolves do the later all of the time, except they'll overdo it. Not that I think Sloonei is the type of wolf to TMI, but you never know.

Further, I'm curious to know to what extent Sloonei defended Scotty in tandem with his confidence read -- wolves also love to call a soon-to-be lynched villager a villager, but do nothing to stop the lynch.

Just some takes of mine.
Beck never mentioned Scotty prior to his demise. This post came after Scotty had flipped town and before he had re-flipped mafia. I think it's a decent look, because it wouldn't make much sense for Mafia!Beck to promote this suspicion of Sloonei if it's just going to be canceled by the eventual changing of the flip. This however only applies in a universe where the scum team knew the flip-change would happen. If they didn't know that, then this point is less meaningful in Beck's favor.

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Scotty wrote:Honest question, Rico: I know you're not in the States, but do you find ourself gravitating towards any particular politician over here? What's your take on the political climate? Very curious.

People that need to check in before Day 0 (The time before America became great again) gets extended another 24 hours:
Beck
Drwilgy
leetic
MP
SVS (so aptly dubbed the lone "female")


But I probably won't vote those people exclusively for not checking in....I....I might go craaazy this game and not just vote a no-show or low poster on day 1.

:scared:
Scotty wrote:Beck is gab.
Scotty wrote:Beck came out guns ablazing with his hung-ho "I'm-new-here-but-ima-fuck-shit-up" mentality, and it was refreshing. But I wonder if he is acting rather than being. You know whaddimsayin?
The only post with any meaning to me is the last one. The caveat starting with "But..." looks like it was forced through a Play Doh dispenser.

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For me this read hinges on whether the scum knew Scotty's flip would change mid-phase. Without having that knowledge, I'm inclined to call him a technically compatible team mate if not necessarily suspicious on his own power.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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Beck about Scotty
Nothing until after the flip; inquired on Scotty having been defended as villager; projected baddies giving a town read on soon to be lynched town. Has not returned so far with thoughs on the real denounment.

Scotty about Beck
Tinfoil/paranoia take on Beck's early activity.

Overall activity from Beck, given absence of relevant flip-ISO
Active D0, developed a baddie read and a vote out of a vibe that MP's in-and-out post gave him. Drop in activity (justified by RL, apparently), shallow remarks on ongoing events (Rick-Jay super slam), very late and self-declared uninformed EoD performance.

We are of course disappointed in Mr. Beck's D1 performance, after giving such a strong impression of a great guy, great Trump voter early on. We feel that his admittance to being uninformed during the late EoD, rather than try to scramble any reads and change his ping-vote, is a decent look. In case the baddie knew Scotty would fakeflip, then flip, Beck's reaction to the fakeflip is about as monotone as it can get; in case the baddies didn't, we imagine Beck would be capable to fake a good response, but overall we don't feel, as of now, that either of these scenarios would apply. His logistics as to how a baddie might have tried to defend Scotty - while invalided by the real flip itself - give the vibe of operating with an independent mentality. Taken from the other POV, Scotty's read on Beck looks like smear, quite frankly - it is only with a slight amount of tinfoil that one could perhaps read this as distancing, but overall it seems to reflect ok on Beck.

We have no reason, at this point, to believe Mr. Beck is a crooked Democrat. We do encourage better daily reports from him, however, on the whole.

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Boomslang about Scotty
Corrected him on the Day 0 poll options meanings. Read RickJay super slam as meaningless with Scotty's own take on it as proxy.

Scotty about Boomslang
Included him in the total banter section of his fluff reads. Later, was one of the players he forgot about.

Overall activity from Boomslang, given absence of relevant flip-ISO
Null/meh read on RickJay super slam. Pressure voted leetic, finding his post towards JJJ hamfisted shade. Questioned Wilgy's posts and votes. Dead activity since.

We'd certainly appreciate if Mr. Boomslang could clarify what he meant in this post. We feel there might be a slight dissonance in his read of leetic in this post (which is more positive - or at least doubtful of baddie moves?) and his previous post in which he agreed with JJJ on leetic's shady reactions, yet we fear we might be misunderstanding the whole situation.

Otherwise, we have no means to discern a connection between Mr. Boomslang and the liberal, crooked Scotsman. I could certainly have favored a baddie Boomslang to stay out of the picture, but it could also be nothing. Our case on Mr. Boomslang rests at a null.

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DrWilgy about Scotty
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Scotty about DrWilgy
Included him in the total banter section of his fluff reads. Later, was one of the players he forgot about. Legacy shade thrown on him.

Overall activity from Wilgy, given absence of relevant flip-ISO
Hokey garbage.

We certainly do not appreciate Wilgy's vote on a great campaigner such as Rick O'Shay. Seems as opportunistic as it can get, in the midst of the RickJay super slam. There is nothing uncharacteristic about DrWilgy's chaos play, nonetheless it sucks very much. We would very much like to see DrWilgy get spanked for it. Scotty's shade has absolutely no background in his ISO and could fall in the same category as with Beck. We feel the Scotsman did more effort to doubt Beck, compared to throwing DrWilgy in the mix. We get a null out of calling out DrWilgy, for the time being.

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Epignosis about Scotty
Stated early intent to attempt a Scotty-style vote - or at least pressure vote - on inactives. Right after Scotty's round of reads, picked up on Scotty giving MM cred for the latter's vote, describing it as direct without actually pointing out what's direct about them. Keeps pressuring him to vote. Second to vote (and stay) on Scotty for this ping of his. Post-lynch intense analysis for connections.

Scotty about Epignosis
Included him in the total banter section of his fluff reads. Later gave an empty serious read on him. Resorted afterwards only to try to answer to his inquiry. It could be described as fairly evasive, on a second look, especially this post. Legacy serious rebuttal to Epig's vote.

As we've stated before, we feel Mr. Gnosis' vote came from a different, assumed perspective compared to the rest of the Scotsman's tally. We have no inclination to regard this as uncharacteristic, coming from him. We are aware that Mr. Gnosis could very well buss, but we also feel he might prefer to sketch a bigger buss case, rather than this kind of simple pingvote based on pointing out the Scotsman's read wasn't backed up by information in any way.

We have no reason, at this point, to believe Mr. Gnosis is a crooked Democrat, but, as always, we do pray to the God he usually prays that we're not wrong in this assessment.

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Golden about Scotty
Receptive right away to crediting Sloonei's theory on Scotty - down to the Scotty & Quin detail. Switch vote (and first one to stay) on Scotty, also based on liking Sloonei's thoughts. Mild brag about the novelty of ever reading Scotty bad. Reactions to both fakeflip and flip fairly basic: would have flipped, then relieved to have been right. Post-lynch analysis for connections.

Scotty about Golden
Shruggy at Golden's activity, then read him better for picking up the pace and getting himself tangled in RickJay super slam.

Independent elements from Golden's activity and what could be read into it
Save for supreme fakery in how he phrased his reaction, Golden's said involvement into the RickJay super slam gave us the feeling that he would not be this uninformed and "not getting the point" about it, if he would have backup chatter for updates and such.

We find that Golden's immersion in Sloonei's case for Scotty looks deep and it can only be valued as a whole, either in a positive or negative light. The timing of his vote makes it difficult to believe there was a necessity to bus at that time, unless, of course [tinfoil], it was premature distancing [/tinfoil].

We are inclined to believe that Mr. Golden's language and adherence to another player's case on the ultimately lynched Scotsman is waaaaaaay too risky for an experienced player like himself to attempt this kind of distancing and wagoning. But we recommend further scrutiny on Mr. Golden, heading into the next phases.

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insertnamehere about Scotty
Sided less with him in current matters, but agreed with him on Sloonei attempting to push Quin around. Then threw his vote on Scotty after all, to test Sloonei.

Scotty about insertnamehere
Included him in the total banter section of his fluff reads. Later, was one of the players he forgot about.

Contrary to the first two permvotes on Scotty (Golden, Epignosis), INH's vote could already start to fall into the bus category. His switch stance on Scotty and vote reasoning certainly makes things look very bad. Our only sense of disbelief remains if a baddie INH would do such an awful move. In the words of our future POTUS, expressed during the meeting: "These crooked democrats must be really dumb, if that's how they get themselves caught. Too easy!"

Otherwise, we can safely say that le mot du jour for INH, heading into the next phase, remains: shady!

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JaggedJimmyJay about Scotty
[4 pages of ISO already! :meany:] Banter about holding Scotty to his claim of not going after inactives, for once. Inquires on Scotty's banter reads. Confused by Scotty's second read on him and what that part about WIFOM implied. Offers input, when Scotty asked, on Scotty-Sloonei interaction (& about Quin). Tends to appreciate Scotty's serious round of reads and his attempt to variate his D1 play. Then trusts Scotty least in Sco-Slon-Quin triumvirate. Then mild town assessment of Scotty's performance. Reads Scotty caught in a snafu, but not necessarily bad for it. Brush reply on MM calling him for that. Hops on INH counter-wagon. Appreciative of Scotty's legacy post (particularly in regards to Quin), pressures Scotty voters to take a last stance on voting him, despite Scotty's legacy rebuttal. Post-lynch intense analysis.

Scotty about JaggedJimmyJay
Included him in the banter part of his banter reads. Reads him "meh" (basically unchanged, lol) on second try. Kinda evasive/unprepared reply to JJJ's inquiry about the WIFOM part of his read/accusation(?). Vote on leetic for "JJJ's better reasons".

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We think the American people can pretty much notice that this is not a perfect report on JJJ, following Scotty's flip. He certainly comes off as rather defensive or appreciative of Scotty's efforts and, aside for a few sinuous tilts in his reads (that sudden I trust Scotty least of a trio moment),
never really stepped into the pool of let's-lynch-Scotty-for-possible-snafu one bit, not even testing the waters with his pinky. As for the counter-wagon moment on INH, we believe JJJ has argued that, if baddie, he would have pressed on leetic, but the thing is: 1) we don't recall leetic wagon gaining serious traction (in fact, wasn't Scotty the only player to lean on it) and 2) a counter-wagon on INH is, in principle, still a perfect viable counter-wagon to accomplish the essential: get Scotty out of the lynch spot.

Much of what (and how) JJJ has evaluated in the links above seem reasonable coming from someone like JJJ, but somehow they're not warming our hearts, in light of the flip. Scotty's wagoning on JJJ's pick-of-the-day could be a mild point that he [Scotty] was trying to wagon on whatever stuff civs would put forward, but that's about it. We feel the need to reflect further on this and we encourage the American people to do the same.

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leetic about Scotty
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Scotty about leetic
Included him in the banter zone of his banter reads. One of the players he forgot about. Picks up on JJJ's case on him, votes him (wagons). Snark at leetic's NO U.

Just like INH, leetic's vote falls into the plausible bus category. Unlike INH's vote and reasoning attempt, which would be total herp-a-derp if he's bad, we find that leetic's inactivity, self-defense momentum and wordless vote could favor an under-the-radar approach. Re: Scotty's vote, we share slight disbelief in Scotty trying to counter-wagon on a teammate as his way of salvation, nonetheless, as stated in above, leetic's counter-wagon didn't feel truly ripe and it would serve as decent distancing. Also null on Scotty's snark towards leetic: could be genuine angery, could be keeping the facade.

We recommend full scrunity on leetic, pressure to talk more. We'd rank leetic's vote as potentially shadier compared to INH's, at this point.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Night 1

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DrWilgy and Scotty interaction:

Wilgy never mentioned Scotty, unless "trumplewumpy scoot" was some kind of abbreviation. :goofp:

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Scotty wrote:Linki; oh, DrWilgy. I forgot you were playing. Whatchu got to say, bababooshakakee?
Scotty wrote:Please investigate Wilgy after today. His random blah posting and throwaway vote Rings fishy to me
Meh. The latter post is WIFOM, he could either be directing a hypothetical cop toward a less damaging green peek or he could be trying to reverse psychology a hypothetical cop away from a damaging red peek.

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There's nothing to talk about of consequence. He belongs in the PoE at least.

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MovingPictures07 and Scotty interaction:

MP never mentioned Scotty. None of his posts are truly game-relevant.

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Scotty wrote:MP is bad.
Scotty wrote:MP is doing his normal "I'm busy" crap, disappearing in the middle of the night. I tend to read that as bad. He's getting more in the line of "no-show" as we have in the game.
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Scotty "reading" MP as bad for doing what MP always does looks cooked, in a way that is less team mate compatible. To me it looks more like a setup to revisit for an eventual mislynch. It's only a couple posts though.

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Quin and Scotty interaction:

50 search results for "Scotty" in Quin's ISO. :eek:
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Quin wrote:All I'm getting from this is that a significant part of why you are currently voting for me is because of Scotty's actions, and that is not ideal.

vote Sloonei
Quin wrote:1. I didn't accuse MP of being suspicious because I don't think he's suspicious. There was no crack, either. Not sure where you're looking :meany:

2. Fair enough.

linki: My reason for the voting is right there. You're basing your vote on me off of Scotty, not me. That's bad.
Quin wrote:More specifically, you are using Scotty's actions as a means to vote for me, without any insight as to whether what Scotty is doing is civvie or baddie behaviour. Had he been lynched and flipped bad, you might have a reason to look at him as inspiration to vote me, but as it is, he has not, and therefore you are bad.
Quin wrote:But yes, I'll entertain you with a read on Scotty. Give me a little bit of time.
Quin and Sloonei had a long exchange in which Quin felt Sloonei was unfairly voting for him based on Scotty's actions instead of his own. I could reach with the last post and say that he only needed time to stop and think when he was asked for a read on Scotty, which for the purpose of this exercise would be more valuable data.

Quin provided his Scotty read a half hour later

My immediate take is that this case looks genuine. He voiced suspicion of Scotty on a conceptually similar but directionally opposite plane to what he'd said about Sloonei. His perspective that one of this is scum but not both is something he has held to through each phase of the drama -- suspecting Sloonei more than Scotty during Day 1, amping that up after Scotty flipped town, and then reversing it after Scotty re-flipped mafia.

His biggest crime here is selecting Sloonei over Scotty in this dichotomy, and that's made worse given that his vote had no utility. He was the sole Sloonei voter and I don't think a Sloonei lynch was ever likely to develop on Day 1.

So for me this is a conflict between looking good on the surface and being bad in practice.
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Quin wrote:
Golden wrote:I could see either Epi or Scotty as bad, but probably not together.

I think an Epi/Rico team is still well possible.
I think a Scotty/Quin team is also well possible.

That's me for now.
I don't think you think either of the latter two at all.
This is distinctly accusatory of Golden. It came out of nowhere, and it has not been revisited. Not great.

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Quin wrote:TED CRUZ IS THE ZODIAC KILLER
It is known.
Scotty wrote:Quin is judicial.
Scotty wrote:Quin? I have no read on Quin. But fine, if I must. GTH: Bad. :shrug2:
The third one, in light of present information, does look ungood. I don't think it's necessarily a problem that Scotty forced himself to take a side on Quin, it's that he specifically elected "bad". Quin wasn't one of the megalurkers that Scotty normally suspects/pretends to suspect on Day 1. So for Quin to be a "no read" is already off-kilter, and that he went to the bad side with a shrug feels a little like TMI. That's not ideal for Quin.
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Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote: I agree with this assessment. Though I'm not sure I "like" any particular wall better than the other. I do think Rico could be building a wall of his own though... :workit: (thanks, be here all night. Remember to tip your waitress)
Why did you put a gun to your own head and scum read Quin?
Cuz I had no read of him, and figured I should.
so you arbitrarily put a scum read on him?
Basically. I put those reads in as I thought of them, and after the fact realized I forgot about 4 more peeps. I can't really remember Quin's content this game, hence the scum read.

What's your beef with him?
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:My beef is the same as yours.
Medium rare?

Meh, ok. vote Quin
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Scotty and Quin are scum partners.
Woah, I TOTALLY missed this.

Wtf?
Scotty wrote:I happened to agree with your assessment of JJJ and Rico, doesn't mean I trust you.

Plus, I completely missed the part where you said we were baddie brothers. If I had seen that, I probably would not have even voted for Quin. As it is, I'll probably change it just because I feel like you've been trying to goad me into voting there.

I suspect him just as much as like 4 other people I could be voting for
Scotty wrote:Sloonei, if you could vote anywhere else, where would it be? Since you have such little reason to be voting for Quin (I assume) as I do.
Scotty wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think I like Scotty's attempt to get reads, even when he is uncertain of how to go about it. He's trying to expand his Day 1 repertoire and it appears mostly genuine to me. I also don't get the wrong vibes from Sloonei's interrogation tactic. He observed a specific thing (Scotty's read of Quin) that he found interested, and then harnessed that into a an exchange that stands a chance of producing a more complete read.
:shrug2:
Sloonei came in saying he read Quin as bad "same as me" but then quoted examples after the fact, as if he stole cookies from the cookie jar and then replaced them with some pieces of cardboard he found in the garage so no one would know he ate the cookies preemptively.

What is your opinion of Quin, JJJ?
Scotty gets caught in the kerfuffle. His response to Sloonei's suggestion to vote Quin was quite accomodating. Scotty is usually not so easy to convince, and I suspect he'd usually be hard to convince even as a bad guy. This almost reads like "challenge accepted", which would be a sensible mindset if Quin is his team mate. He didn't hold his vote there after all, and eventually he found ways to move the discussion away from that (turning the accusations against Sloonei for "manipulation").

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I am not super sure that they're team mates, but I do see the case. I think it's more visible in Scotty's posts than it is in Quin's.
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