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Regarding what you said about the tracks being short though, G-Man, personally I've found that it's part of the album's charm, and I typically view the whole album as one whole piece consisting of many little parts that fit together. It's a grower though. I think the first time I ever heard it, if I was rating it based on my current system now, I'd probably have given it a 3.5. It was around listen #10 or so over the span of a few years that it really started to knock my socks off. My appreciation and love for it has grown ever since. It's incredibly immersive.
One of the reasons I chose this album as well instead of a different IDM album is that a common response I get when I've recommended or shown people my favorites in the past is indifference to how inhuman, cold, detached, etc. electronic music is. I don't personally feel that way about any of them, and I don't even view those descriptors as negative, but based on feedback regarding this album, I do think this one is relatively more approachable and "human" to music listeners who aren't crazy like me binging weird electronic stuff on a regular basis. I'd say part of its accessibility is due to the shortness of the tracks; nothing gets overly repetitive like other electronic music often can.
One of the reasons I chose this album as well instead of a different IDM album is that a common response I get when I've recommended or shown people my favorites in the past is indifference to how inhuman, cold, detached, etc. electronic music is. I don't personally feel that way about any of them, and I don't even view those descriptors as negative, but based on feedback regarding this album, I do think this one is relatively more approachable and "human" to music listeners who aren't crazy like me binging weird electronic stuff on a regular basis. I'd say part of its accessibility is due to the shortness of the tracks; nothing gets overly repetitive like other electronic music often can.
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Random trivia about Flying Lotus and Cosmogramma:
- Flying Lotus is the stage name of a music producer named Steven Ellison. He also is a DJ, filmmaker, and rapper.
- Ellison is the grand-nephew of the late jazz pianist, harpist, singer, and composer Alice Coltrane, the wife of jazz legend John Coltrane.
- Cosmogramma contains a healthy mix of both sampling (for example, "Arkestry" includes a sample of experimental jazz musician Sun Ra and His Arkestra, while "Drips/Auntie's Harp" includes a sample of his late grand-aunt Alice Coltrane's "Blue Nile", among many others) and live instrumentation (harp, strings, bass, drums, sax, keyboard, and trumpet).
- This album was initially conceived out of Ellison grieving his mother's illness (hospitalized due to diabetes complications) and death (she died a few months before the album's completion and release). He used to bring his laptop to record various field recordings when visiting his mother in the hospital room. One of my favorite uses of sampling on this album is Ellison inserting his recording of his mother's respirator and vital-sign monitors in the album closer, "Galaxy in Janaki", as a tribute to her.
- The album title comes from Ellison mishearing "cosmic drama" as "cosmogramma". Ellison said of the title: "My aunt had an Ashram in Agoura full of devotees... And I was listening to one of her recorded discourses talking about how once this earthly experience is over, we won't be wearing our costumes anymore..."
- The album includes contributions from Thom Yorke (who sings on "...And the World Laughs With You", which is why I always think that song sounds like a collab with Radiohead), Thundercat (who is known for his solo career and guest bass performance on Kendrick Lamar's widely-acclaimed To Pimp a Butterfly), Laura Darlington, Ravi Coltrane, among others.
I could gush about this album for too long.
It's a 5.0 without hesitation. One of my most treasured without a doubt.
- Flying Lotus is the stage name of a music producer named Steven Ellison. He also is a DJ, filmmaker, and rapper.
- Ellison is the grand-nephew of the late jazz pianist, harpist, singer, and composer Alice Coltrane, the wife of jazz legend John Coltrane.
- Cosmogramma contains a healthy mix of both sampling (for example, "Arkestry" includes a sample of experimental jazz musician Sun Ra and His Arkestra, while "Drips/Auntie's Harp" includes a sample of his late grand-aunt Alice Coltrane's "Blue Nile", among many others) and live instrumentation (harp, strings, bass, drums, sax, keyboard, and trumpet).
- This album was initially conceived out of Ellison grieving his mother's illness (hospitalized due to diabetes complications) and death (she died a few months before the album's completion and release). He used to bring his laptop to record various field recordings when visiting his mother in the hospital room. One of my favorite uses of sampling on this album is Ellison inserting his recording of his mother's respirator and vital-sign monitors in the album closer, "Galaxy in Janaki", as a tribute to her.
- The album title comes from Ellison mishearing "cosmic drama" as "cosmogramma". Ellison said of the title: "My aunt had an Ashram in Agoura full of devotees... And I was listening to one of her recorded discourses talking about how once this earthly experience is over, we won't be wearing our costumes anymore..."
- The album includes contributions from Thom Yorke (who sings on "...And the World Laughs With You", which is why I always think that song sounds like a collab with Radiohead), Thundercat (who is known for his solo career and guest bass performance on Kendrick Lamar's widely-acclaimed To Pimp a Butterfly), Laura Darlington, Ravi Coltrane, among others.
I could gush about this album for too long.
It's a 5.0 without hesitation. One of my most treasured without a doubt.
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Re: SAW [Week 38 - "Cosmogramma"]
This is pretty cool and I enjoy listening to it (lots of cool sounds/beats/mixing/samples/etc) but it's not really leaving a huge/distinct impression on me so far. I have listened to FL before and generally feel that way about his music -- it's fun but doesn't astound me or leave a lasting impression. I'll give it another couple listens though and try to figure out a rating.
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I had heard Cosmogramma once or twice before and liked it. I still do. I tend to appreciate any album as diverse as this one, particularly when that pursuit of diversity doesn't end up sounding forced and convoluted. There's a purposeful structure to this thing and it all works well together. I wouldn't say it has gripped me tightly, and I don't really draw any emotion from it -- but it's a good sound. 3.5 stars.
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6. [mention]G-Man[/mention] - Chuck Berry - Chuck Berry Is on Top
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for my second listen of Cosmogramma I'm taking down some brief track-by-track reactions bc otherwise I won't nail down my feelings about it. most of this will be gibberish/very general/not fancy reviewing words hahah
ok, so to summarize, I really liked the first two tracks, and I really liked everything from 13 to the end -- that's a great stretch. everything in between is pretty meh to me. Overall I'm feeling a 3.5.
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Submissions so far:
JaggedJimmyJay - CunninLynguists - A Piece of Strange / 2005 / Southern hip hop / 16 tracks / 54:19 / YouTube, Bandcamp, and Spotify
speedchuck - Rishloo - Feathergun / 2010 / Prog Rock / 11 tracks / 58:15 / Youtube and Spotify
nutella - Chris Thile, Edgar Meyer, Stuart Duncan, Yo-Yo Ma - The Goat Rodeo Sessions / 2011 / Bluegrass/Classical fusion / 11 (+2 bonus) tracks / 57:18 (without bonus tracks) / Youtube (though this playlist seems to be missing the last track for some reason as well as the bonus tracks but they can be found separately) and Spotify (also missing bonus tracks
they're really good though and I'm used to them as they're on the CD edition that my mom owns)
MovingPictures07 - Ryoji Ikeda - dataplex / 2005 / Microsound / 20 tracks / 55:31 / YouTube and Spotify
Epignosis - Kansas - Somewhere to Elsewhere / 2000 / Progressive rock / 11 tracks / 68:09 / YouTube and Spotify
Remember that everyone is eligible this time.
JaggedJimmyJay - CunninLynguists - A Piece of Strange / 2005 / Southern hip hop / 16 tracks / 54:19 / YouTube, Bandcamp, and Spotify
speedchuck - Rishloo - Feathergun / 2010 / Prog Rock / 11 tracks / 58:15 / Youtube and Spotify
nutella - Chris Thile, Edgar Meyer, Stuart Duncan, Yo-Yo Ma - The Goat Rodeo Sessions / 2011 / Bluegrass/Classical fusion / 11 (+2 bonus) tracks / 57:18 (without bonus tracks) / Youtube (though this playlist seems to be missing the last track for some reason as well as the bonus tracks but they can be found separately) and Spotify (also missing bonus tracks

MovingPictures07 - Ryoji Ikeda - dataplex / 2005 / Microsound / 20 tracks / 55:31 / YouTube and Spotify
Epignosis - Kansas - Somewhere to Elsewhere / 2000 / Progressive rock / 11 tracks / 68:09 / YouTube and Spotify
Remember that everyone is eligible this time.
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Kansas- Somewhere to Elsewhere
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Fantastic suggestion. I had this one on repeat a few years back.
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7. JaggedJimmyJay - Crowded House - Woodface
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Making a concerted effort to be more present on the forum, and figured I might as well start with this. And boy howdy, am I impressed. Feels like I'm staring into a well, with constantly shifting lights at every single different depth of the well. He does a beautiful job of separating out the frequencies, giving each a distinct sonic profile and momentum. The beats are also consistently surprising within the usual 4/4 meter.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:15 am Cosmogramma is one of my favorite albums of all time. A truly exhilarating and unique slice of electronica. Hope you all enjoy it.
My own personal taste keeps me from giving this a 5, because I miss having anthemic banger melodies. (Deadmau5 and Daft Punk, anyone?) But taken on its own terms, as an frenetic piece of sound installation art, it's groovy. Also, the video for "Zodiac Shit" is one of the first things I saw while in a... significantly altered state, let's say, and it's just as impressive in regular mind.
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That's... a really cool way to put it.Boomslang wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:43 pmFeels like I'm staring into a well, with constantly shifting lights at every single different depth of the well. He does a beautiful job of separating out the frequencies, giving each a distinct sonic profile and momentum. The beats are also consistently surprising within the usual 4/4 meter.

Good to see you back again, curious to hear your takes on some others as well when you get the chance.

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I noticed in your review, speedchuck, something that has continuously eluded me in my music-loving years. I feel it might be an interesting avenue of discussion, and anyone can join in (not just [mention]speedchuck[/mention]): What exactly constitutes background music?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:30 pm 38. MovingPictures07 - Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma
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At least for me personally, I'm not sure I'd ever feel inclined to make the distinction, yet I hear people say that all the time (either that they prefer to or can only listen to something as background music). What makes a piece of music "background music", and is something being background music a desirable or undesirable thing?
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Background music is music I can play in the background while
-reading
-playing video games
-playing board games
-writing
And so on. What makes music like that?
1. No vocals. Or, in some cases, easily forgettable or repetitive vocals. Vocals I don't care about. If I get more focused on the vocals than what I'm doing, it isn't background music.
2. Not too complex. For the same reason as vocals. I get distracted by the off-time beats and complex musicianship and fail to focus on what I'm doing.
3. In some cases, I will call something background music if it seems like music I would like in the background of a videogame. With Cosmogramma, I even specified the video game. After further research, it wasn't a perfect comparison. Cosmogramma is much better.
4 (optional): Something that pumps me up. I could put in the background to make me want to exercise (I need all the help I can get).
It's not an insult. It just means that the music is often instrumental, likely groovy, and isn't too focused on breaking time signatures or cranking out wicked solo breaks and experimental limericks.
If that makes sense. Cosmogramma is new, different, layered and extremely variable. But it fits my criteria, and I've listened to it while writing.
-reading
-playing video games
-playing board games
-writing
And so on. What makes music like that?
1. No vocals. Or, in some cases, easily forgettable or repetitive vocals. Vocals I don't care about. If I get more focused on the vocals than what I'm doing, it isn't background music.
2. Not too complex. For the same reason as vocals. I get distracted by the off-time beats and complex musicianship and fail to focus on what I'm doing.
3. In some cases, I will call something background music if it seems like music I would like in the background of a videogame. With Cosmogramma, I even specified the video game. After further research, it wasn't a perfect comparison. Cosmogramma is much better.
4 (optional): Something that pumps me up. I could put in the background to make me want to exercise (I need all the help I can get).
It's not an insult. It just means that the music is often instrumental, likely groovy, and isn't too focused on breaking time signatures or cranking out wicked solo breaks and experimental limericks.
If that makes sense. Cosmogramma is new, different, layered and extremely variable. But it fits my criteria, and I've listened to it while writing.
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Week 39: CunninLynguists - A Piece of Strange

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A Piece of Strange is one of my favorite albums in hip hop, perhaps as high as the top two or three. I'm glad to be able to bring it to SAW to continue the recent trend toward diversifying the set here after the likes of Drake and even the Charlie Brown jazz album. This album is very much aligned in the conscious, political portion of the hip hop spectrum, and though it does at times embrace the harsh lyrical nature that some people struggle with -- it's a necessary component of the passions being expressed here in my opinion. Moreover, alongside Outkast these guys are the best evidence I know of that hip hop music need not be perceived as a battle of the American coasts. These are southerners, and they're fantastic.
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speedchuck, thanks for elaborating, that makes sense to me. 
A Piece of Strange is a good album for sure. It'll be cool to revisit. Looking forward to it.

A Piece of Strange is a good album for sure. It'll be cool to revisit. Looking forward to it.
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Hey, what's Arthur Brown doing here? 
For reals though I'm really enjoying this so far. Haven't been paying super close attention on the first listen but it's enjoyable for sure

For reals though I'm really enjoying this so far. Haven't been paying super close attention on the first listen but it's enjoyable for sure
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OK this is easily one of the best hip-hop albums I have ever heard, both musically and lyrically. I've been following along with the lyrics and annotations on Genius and this is.... this is good shit. The themes and stories and messages, the samples and instrumental bits and the delivery, everything about this is awesome. 5 stars.
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Well said. Finished my listen earlier, and I was struck by how easily they incorporated different voices throughout the album. "The Gates" feat. Tonedeff was probably the best example of that, with absolutely seamless back-and-forth between two perspectives. "America Loves Gangsters" feat. Tim Means also employed the guest star to wonderful effect, expanding the themes of the first two verses into full geopolitical reality. And I listened to Immortal Technique a lot in college, so great to hear him as well.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:45 pm A Piece of Strange is one of my favorite albums in hip hop, perhaps as high as the top two or three. I'm glad to be able to bring it to SAW to continue the recent trend toward diversifying the set here after the likes of Drake and even the Charlie Brown jazz album. This album is very much aligned in the conscious, political portion of the hip hop spectrum, and though it does at times embrace the harsh lyrical nature that some people struggle with -- it's a necessary component of the passions being expressed here in my opinion. Moreover, alongside Outkast these guys are the best evidence I know of that hip hop music need not be perceived as a battle of the American coasts. These are southerners, and they're fantastic.
Easily 4.5 stars. I can see this creeping up on repeated listening and studying the lyrics.
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A Charlie Brown Christmas
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Rico Scale: 4.5 out of 5
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I'm pleased that y'all have enjoyed the album so far. Thanks for giving it a listen! 

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Relistened to A Piece of Strange again today. Excellent album. I was a bit torn (between 3.5 and 4.0), but I ended up giving it the strongest possible 3.5. 

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I did not expect to like A Piece of Strange, not knowing the genre at all. So far it's fantastic. It looks like it's going to be a 3.5 or 4, but I'm only a few songs in. I may not finish in time, but I just wanted to say thanks for submitting it!
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Rishloo - Feathergun
This alum was introduced to me by a friend, a couple of years ago. I heard it, thought it was noisy but interesting, then forgot about it for a year. At some point the songs came back into my head. I asked about them looked them up, and began playing them at work on my headphones. With every listen I enjoyed the songs more, though I can't point to why or how. They are progressive, but not unduly so. Heavy, but not grating. Complex, but not up their own ass. Pleasant at times, but not beautiful. Hard-edged, but not unkind. Lyrically interesting, but not entirely profound. Full of variety, but in no way that is ultimately surprising.
And I suppose that the lack of extremes fits in the way that I like Rishloo, or specifically this album. It's different and interesting and fun to listen to, whether intently or in the background. Whatever I'm in the mood for, I can always listen to it. I would put Rishloo near the center of my musical tastes, a midpoint that is high in quality. All of my other musical tastes branch out from elements of this style of music.
I suppose that is why I submitted this. I'm curious to see what everyone thinks of it. I would give it a 4.5/5.
Here's hoping you enjoy it.
This alum was introduced to me by a friend, a couple of years ago. I heard it, thought it was noisy but interesting, then forgot about it for a year. At some point the songs came back into my head. I asked about them looked them up, and began playing them at work on my headphones. With every listen I enjoyed the songs more, though I can't point to why or how. They are progressive, but not unduly so. Heavy, but not grating. Complex, but not up their own ass. Pleasant at times, but not beautiful. Hard-edged, but not unkind. Lyrically interesting, but not entirely profound. Full of variety, but in no way that is ultimately surprising.
And I suppose that the lack of extremes fits in the way that I like Rishloo, or specifically this album. It's different and interesting and fun to listen to, whether intently or in the background. Whatever I'm in the mood for, I can always listen to it. I would put Rishloo near the center of my musical tastes, a midpoint that is high in quality. All of my other musical tastes branch out from elements of this style of music.
I suppose that is why I submitted this. I'm curious to see what everyone thinks of it. I would give it a 4.5/5.

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Meh. First listen didn't really do anything for me. In the middle of a second listen and I'm really just bored. 

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I got a listen in today of Feathergun. The music definitely recalls Tool, in a less abrasive and complex way. I thought it was a nice enough sound, though it didn't really make an impact. It was background material while I worked on other things and it served in that role adequately.
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Re: SAW [Week 40 - "Feathergun"]
Flying Lotus was nice but it’s hard to pin down ratings when some of the tracks are so short.
Cunninglinguists was good. I liked their use of Arthur Brown. What are the odds of that sample?
Rishloo definitely sounds like Tool. Just did my first listen today though, so too early to tell. Tool never did much for me but I want to give this an honest chance.
Cunninglinguists was good. I liked their use of Arthur Brown. What are the odds of that sample?
Rishloo definitely sounds like Tool. Just did my first listen today though, so too early to tell. Tool never did much for me but I want to give this an honest chance.
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I think we should give Rishloo another week. It was interrupted by the holidays.
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Re: SAW [Week 40 - "Feathergun"]
Good plan, Jay.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:41 pm I think we should give Rishloo another week. It was interrupted by the holidays.
My apologies for not getting around to it yet myself; I've been pretty busy, but I have still been listening to a ton of music, just trying to get in whatever last minute 2017 releases I can.

Intrigued to hear Rishloo!
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I'm giving Rishloo another spin today. While the Tool parallel holds, there is one advantage they enjoy here: the vocalist is much less irritating than Maynard James Keenan.
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Re: SAW [Week 38 - "Cosmogramma"]
I may have to make a comeback for this one.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:20 am Submission: MovingPictures07 - Ryoji Ikeda - dataplex / 2005 / Microsound / 20 tracks / 55:31 / YouTube and Spotify
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As an aside, I used to not be much of a fan of Cosmogramma, but last time I listened I liked it more than I remembered having before.
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Best part of Feathergun is definitely the final outro.
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Re: SAW [Week 40 - "Feathergun"]
Good to see you back, [mention]Ricochet[/mention]!
Also, [mention]A Person[/mention], do it.
Listened to Rishloo... I had the opposite reaction to the vocalist than Jay did; Maynard is acceptable IMO, while this guy is less than thrilling. Album was alright overall though, pretty inoffensive but didn't really grab me in any way.
Also, [mention]A Person[/mention], do it.
Listened to Rishloo... I had the opposite reaction to the vocalist than Jay did; Maynard is acceptable IMO, while this guy is less than thrilling. Album was alright overall though, pretty inoffensive but didn't really grab me in any way.
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Re: SAW [Week 41 - "The Goat Rodeo Sessions"]
Week 41: Chris Thile, Edgar Meyer, Stuart Duncan, Yo-Yo Ma - The Goat Rodeo Sessions

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Re: SAW [Week 41 - "The Goat Rodeo Sessions"]
lol that you copied my whole ramble into the post
anyway I love this album!

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Re: SAW [Week 41 - "The Goat Rodeo Sessions"]
I listened just now and it was enjoyable. I was focused on a task I was doing and it made good music to accompany that, though I ended up losing attention on the sound about halfway through it. I'll need to listen again to get a more proper take. I did like it though and would start it at 3 stars.
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Re: SAW [Week 41 - "The Goat Rodeo Sessions"]
Recorded back in November:
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Recorded back in November, too:
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Re: SAW [Week 41 - "The Goat Rodeo Sessions"]
Great stuff as always, Rico! Would be intrigued to hear your take on the other stuff you missed, but would totally understand if you don't have the time to video them.
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Re: SAW [Week 41 - "The Goat Rodeo Sessions"]
I'm listening to TGRS again tonight, and it's very pleasant. I wish I could offer more substantive or interesting feedback than that, but it's honestly all I've got. This is the sort of thing I'd be glad to play while I am busy with something, as it'd probably help me to maintain some focus, but beyond that I am not sure I'd listen much more. It's a good album though and I appreciate the submission nutella. 

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Re: SAW [Week 41 - "The Goat Rodeo Sessions"]
Sorry, it's been a busy week. Just got done with The Goat Rodeo Sessions now. I'd give it a strong 3.5. Pretty damn enjoyable. Definitely will be revisiting it. Thanks for the suggestion, nutella. 
