Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 13]

[Sloonei]

is this timmer's first game in a while? i think we played recently but i don't remember?

he went to hogwarts with us

[Kylemii]

is this timmer's first game in a while? i think we played recently but i don't remember?

he went to hogwarts with us

oh.

i probably forgot about that cus Jack murdered me.

[nutella]

I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

HOT SAAUUUUCE

[nutella]

I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

"Genuine" because the first play in the Day 1 Sloonei playbook is to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Case in point: My Tranq vote which I just talked about in my previous post. Or, you know, any other game I've ever played on the Syndicate. I clarified that my Colin suspicion is genuine to iterate that this is more than just pot-stirring. My vote is on him because I actually find things he's said to be suspicious, not solely because I want to make people respond to my vote being on him.

I mean..........fair

[nutella]

I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

"Genuine" because the first play in the Day 1 Sloonei playbook is to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Case in point: My Tranq vote which I just talked about in my previous post. Or, you know, any other game I've ever played on the Syndicate. I clarified that my Colin suspicion is genuine to iterate that this is more than just pot-stirring. My vote is on him because I actually find things he's said to be suspicious, not solely because I want to make people respond to my vote being on him.

If your suspicion of Colin was true, none of the red shit I highlighted would logically follow. If you truly believe Colin is bad you wouldn't care if other people think so too (in fact, you should welcome it), you wouldn't care how many teams there are (who gives a shit?) and you wouldn't care if bad guys lynch other bad guys.

You are bad. This is obvious to me.

I suspect that Colin might be bad. I do not know that Colin is bad. I have doubts about my suspicion. It is Day 1.

yeah Epi I respect your position here but I have to back up sloonei on this one. he's allowed to have a genuine suspicion and be hesitant about it at the same time.

[Sloonei]

I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

"Genuine" because the first play in the Day 1 Sloonei playbook is to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Case in point: My Tranq vote which I just talked about in my previous post. Or, you know, any other game I've ever played on the Syndicate. I clarified that my Colin suspicion is genuine to iterate that this is more than just pot-stirring. My vote is on him because I actually find things he's said to be suspicious, not solely because I want to make people respond to my vote being on him.

If your suspicion of Colin was true, none of the red shit I highlighted would logically follow. If you truly believe Colin is bad you wouldn't care if other people think so too (in fact, you should welcome it), you wouldn't care how many teams there are (who gives a shit?) and you wouldn't care if bad guys lynch other bad guys.

You are bad. This is obvious to me.

I suspect that Colin might be bad. I do not know that Colin is bad. I have doubts about my suspicion. It is Day 1.

yeah Epi I respect your position here but I have to back up sloonei on this one. he's allowed to have a genuine suspicion and be hesitant about it at the same time.

He knows this.

[nutella]

And now to specific points I'd like to address:

1. "This is very far off from how I was reading nutella at the moment. Idiosyncrasy and all, I perk up when a player comes out with a stance that is the polar opposite of my own. Doesn't mean he's bad, but it's a thing.

This quote encapsulates the theme of the post as a whole pretty well. Fluffy nonsense that doesn't say anything definitive one way or the other. "DDL could be bad, or he could not, I dunno, he said something different than what I said, so its a thing."

2. "I don't love this post and could read its tone as "baddie who's been caught for a dumb reason." But it's certainly frustrating to poke your head in on Day 1 and see that people are swarming around you."

You "could" read it as bad. You "don't love" it? More fence-sitting language that opens the door a few creaks but stops just short of pulling the trigger. Primo Garbo.


Anyway that's all I got. This post looks like "Hey look everybody over here but maybe don't take this as me pushing a DDL case because fuck if he actually does get lynched I don't want to be held to account. Shit."

Hey how about no. End the stigma against wishy-washiness. It is widely misunderstood and it's a common misconception that fence-sitting/being wishy-washy is scum-indicative but I think it is far more commonly civilian behavior. I don't have stats or anything but I'll fite u

[nutella]

#StopSuspectingPeopleForThinkingInShadesOfGrey2k19

[Sloonei]

#StopSuspectingPeopleForThinkingInShadesOfGrey2k19

I can get behind this campaign.

[nutella]

Just reread it. You say you have a case but then the next sentences are all qualifiers and concerns about side angles which serve to weaken it. You spend more time on the side stuff that concern you about it than your actual suspicion. I don't know how else to explain your post to you, lol. I'm heading to bed, g'night. Hopefully you will see things clearly soon.

I said I have a suspicion, but that I also have reservations about the way Colin is being treated in the thread. If it’s messy, it’s because my thought process is unsettled. Because it’s Day 1. You’ve lamented yourself how difficult Day 1 often is. I wasn’t distracted from my suspicion on Colin. I was simply discussing it within the context of the game. I then laid out my case in another post shortly after, but you’re not looking at that because it’s not included in Epi’s (intentionally) bullshit case.

To what end do you think Epignosis has fabricated this case against you?

He does things like this often. I don't care to speculate on why I think he's doing this or what his motivations could be, but I've seen him employ fake reads as a civilian too many times to be upset by it. It's upsetting that you guys are listening to him though.

I can give evidence in support of my belief that he's full of bologna though. First, let's establish that Epignosis is not a frivolous mafia player. He is calculated and clever, and puts real, honest, sincere thought into the things that he does regardless of his alignment. Now let's look at the case that he made. It starts here:

What mafia member says, "You know what? I'm going to plop a lazy third vote down on DDL early on in the day and draw attention to myself! That's a great idea!"

Lock civilian.

a careless one

this is not my primary concern about colin anyway.

You're the one who is bad.

Short, impulsive declaration of the read. Okay. Nothing too strong yet, but this isn't the most severe introduction to a case I've ever seen from him.

Sloonei is so bad.

This is where he starts to get a bit loosey goosey (read: not serious, frivolous). This type of post is more at home in Macdougall's ISO, not Epi's. He's just stirring a pot.

I am about to dismantle you in front of your peers. Are you ready?

Colorful and playful banter. Yeah, this is not serious business Epi.

I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

This is the case. This is a very narrow-minded case from Epignosis. Yes, he picks at linguistic oddities from time to time, but that's the only typical Epignosis characteristic in this post. I believe he knows exactly what I meant when I qualified my Colin read. I also don't believe he's suspicious of a person for expressing reservations about a Day 1 read. Epignosis, serious Epignosis, understands that Day 1 reads are fluid, unsettled, and changing. He might have a little bit of suspicion against me. He does not have "Sloonei is so bad, I'm going to dismantle him" level of suspicion. Certainly not 24 hours into a game.

I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

"Genuine" because the first play in the Day 1 Sloonei playbook is to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Case in point: My Tranq vote which I just talked about in my previous post. Or, you know, any other game I've ever played on the Syndicate. I clarified that my Colin suspicion is genuine to iterate that this is more than just pot-stirring. My vote is on him because I actually find things he's said to be suspicious, not solely because I want to make people respond to my vote being on him.

If your suspicion of Colin was true, none of the red shit I highlighted would logically follow. If you truly believe Colin is bad you wouldn't care if other people think so too (in fact, you should welcome it), you wouldn't care how many teams there are (who gives a shit?) and you wouldn't care if bad guys lynch other bad guys.

You are bad. This is obvious to me.

The bullshit alarms are sounding all over this post, but I don't care. This post presents my read as if all Day 1 reads should be black and white. "If you believe Colin is bad you wouldn't care if other people think so too, as if everything that is happening here is in its own little vacuum and my read should be concretely settled because I believe in it. He then reaffirms how "obvious" it is that I am bad as if any of this stuff holds weight, or as if he'd really be so sure this early in a game. This is not a sincere case from Epginosis.

Epi is my strongest town read in the game.

This post deserves a gold fucking medal

[nutella]

I do not like timmer's bandwagon support of Epi's case, but I am unsure if I think he's bad for it. The "distracted" line reeks to me, but I have a personal investment in it. Does anyone else want to weigh in on that?

I'm more annoyed than bothered by DH's support of the case, because I think he's sincere. He and Epi were the "two town reads" I alluded to at the beginning of Day 1, since we're here.

mmm I think timmer's style of response/engagement is compatible with his town meta but I don't have strong feelings about him either way

[S~V~S]

Woke up in the middle of the night can't sleep grabbed my phone and read the last page,

Sloonie and Nutella sitting in a tree, k.

That is all goodnight.

[Quin]

Woke up in the middle of the night can't sleep grabbed my phone and read the last page,

Sloonie and Nutella sitting in a tree, k.

That is all goodnight.

goodnight

[Tranq]

Yeah i'm not feeling this Sloonei case. He reads civ to me. Also voting the top poster on Day 1 isn't a great idea.

G-Man is someone i want to hear more from today. I want to see how he responds to DDL and INH (maybe others?) calling him out.

[nutella]

Woke up in the middle of the night can't sleep grabbed my phone and read the last page,

Sloonie and Nutella sitting in a tree, k.

That is all goodnight.

go back to sleep grandma

[nutella]

Yeah i'm not feeling this Sloonei case. He reads civ to me. Also voting the top poster on Day 1 isn't a great idea.

G-Man is someone i want to hear more from today. I want to see how he responds to DDL and INH (maybe others?) calling him out.

I don't like this post

[S~V~S]

Grandma? Really? All righty then.

[Tranq]

Yeah i'm not feeling this Sloonei case. He reads civ to me. Also voting the top poster on Day 1 isn't a great idea.

G-Man is someone i want to hear more from today. I want to see how he responds to DDL and INH (maybe others?) calling him out.

I don't like this post

Why not?

[sabie12]

I do see some valid points on the case against sloonei but I also can see that as a playstyle thing. It's been awhile since I've been here but I know sometimes people just go in guns blazing and start accusing people and get the conversation going. It's not my thing but some people are good at that.
Also just wondering why if someone is a top poster they shouldn't be voted for. Just in the sense that they do get people talking and a conversation happening?

[Tranq]

On Day 1 if nothing really stands out i prefer to vote a low or non-poster.

[juliets]

#StopSuspectingPeopleForThinkingInShadesOfGrey2k19

I can get behind this campaign.

Yes, me too especially in the early couple of days in the game. My thoughts are all over the place right now.

[juliets]

I appreciate Epi's pointing out some oddities in Sloonei's posts because Sloonei is a tough nut to crack for me. He had me completely snowed in a game I played with him earlier this year where he was bad. But I agree with Sloonei's point that he doesn't think this is a sincere case. I think it's a bold move to enhance conversation.

[juliets]

Something is bothering me about G-Man but I can't put my finger on it. I was not a fan of his post calling DH short sighted and dismissive. Maybe it's just the tone which isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Anyway, I agree with DDL, I'd like to see more from G-Man today.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Could be but I just have never seen mafia Mac get away with that so I'm not that paranoid about it.

I mean I played with him as a baddie and he just lazily coasted and bandwagoned to victory.

Despite having played with Mac for like... 100 years going back to RYM, I actually have never been able to distinguish between town Mac and scum Mac. But I haven't registered the same level of commitment to his reads as I'd normally get in the like 10 posts he's made this game.

Maybe I just got lucky but so far I've had a good streak with Mac. FIrst game I saw him as bad I called it, and I'm usually right about him being civ too.

Could be broken anytime though, I suppose.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I kind of agree with Epi on Colin. His post voting on me is beyond terrible. So terrible I have to wonder why a mafia would make it. Feels like a classic "too bad to be bad" case.

[colonialbob]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]-bydoobydoo, where are you? We have much to discuss

[sprityo]

Coming from experience, i think sloonei looks town. I drilled a hole into him for his weird wording and actions in megaman, and we were both town. I'm more interested in the fact DDL still isnt the main topic of discussion with 3 votes on him

[sprityo]

ebwop: coliniscool

[colonialbob]

Screw it let's get this over with early or I'll be uneasy for the rest of the game [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?

It's day 1. Nobody has a good reason to vote anyone. Why did you pick nutella to attack? Is it because Jack's your scum teammate? Got eem.

Incorrect and I don't care for this. Good use of got eem though.

(The rest of your posting seems compatible with early game town Mac)

[colonialbob]

Screw it let's get this over with early or I'll be uneasy for the rest of the game [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?

It's day 1. Nobody has a good reason to vote anyone. Why did you pick nutella to attack? Is it because Jack's your scum teammate? Got eem.

I have a good reason to vote Colin. Point invalid.

What does your valid suspicion of Colin have to do with Macs question about your attack (and your post did feel rather aggressive to me) on nutella?

I am going to drop a vote on you for now. I don't believe that I (like Sorsha, who you noted had not played with you) have ever played with you. Perhaps this is your normal tone, and if so others will point it out, and then that might give me BOTD. But for now your tone has pinged me enough to vote on it.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Could you please explain this read a little more? What do you feel is Luna's tone and why is it pinging you?

[Tranq]

Colin says his vote on DDL is a wagon contribution but it is sort of backed up by the other post he made earlier:

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.

If I can't check in tomorrow I don't want my vote to be on cbob as a joke, so I am publicly announcing a [VOTE: DDL] aubergine wagon contribution for the foreseeable future.

[colonialbob]

Spoiler: show

Screw it let's get this over with early or I'll be uneasy for the rest of the game [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?

It's day 1. Nobody has a good reason to vote anyone. Why did you pick nutella to attack? Is it because Jack's your scum teammate? Got eem.

I have a good reason to vote Colin. Point invalid.

What does your valid suspicion of Colin have to do with Macs question about your attack (and your post did feel rather aggressive to me) on nutella?

I am going to drop a vote on you for now. I don't believe that I (like Sorsha, who you noted had not played with you) have ever played with you. Perhaps this is your normal tone, and if so others will point it out, and then that might give me BOTD. But for now your tone has pinged me enough to vote on it.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Hey SVS, I don't know if I've played with you before, but I've seen you around and sort of know about you. My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions. Mac doesn't think so, and therefore thinks I "attacked" nutella for no reason over her (in my opinon) completely invalid Jack suspicion. Does that clear things up for you?

I understood the context, what got my eye was that you did not respond to his direct point, and redirected the conversation. Plus you sound somewhat confrontational when people suspect someone YOU don't think deserves scrutiny. Like, "here's my totes valid day one suspish but YOUR suspicion is weak because I don't find them suspect." Again this may just be you and how you play which would explain why I am the only person struck with it.

Linki w/timmer, good question.

Never mind found it

[colonialbob]

Has anyone seen Quin? At this point I'd expect to see him angrily hissing at the people accusing him.

nobody is accusing me so i have nothing to do

J'accuse

[colonialbob]

I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

Who do you consider questionable on the Colin wagon?

[colonialbob]

I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

What mafia member says, "You know what? I'm going to plop a lazy third vote down on DDL early on in the day and draw attention to myself! That's a great idea!"

Lock civilian.

Let your opponent make mistakes

[colonialbob]

Fail.

you're a little confusing sometimes,

what do you think of DH (DharmaHelper)

I don't think of him.

Funniest post of the thread btw

[G-Man]

Knitting a sweater takes time. So does forming reads on people (for me at least). It feels like it’s been ages since I played in a game this size, and I’m already blurring several of you together in my mind like all the dwarves in The Hobbit. Certain personalities stand out more than others but that’s because I don’t play often enough.

My comments to DH were designed to be loud enough to register with people, helping me be noticed in a game where I haven’t said much yet. I’m playing a long-game strategy, which will probably get me killed for admitting it but oh well.

I’m not interested in competing in the big, loud Day 1 contest some of you like to engage in. That’s never been my style. Feel free to fling poo, needle, and fish for reactions. Just know that I’m in observation mode out of both preference and necessity (guess who doesn’t know I’m playing- again).

I didn’t like the concept of “let’s avoid ties because of the mysterious sppoky tribunal thing,” so I said something. Then I reiterated it. I’m done talking about because I don’t want to be perceived as a one-issue player (least of all over a tangential issue).

I’m going to look at the loudest folk and try to determine who among those voices sounds insincere. I’ll also look at the middle-of-the-packers and decide who may look the most blendy. I’ll vote for whichever one I feel strongest about at the time.

[colonialbob]

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin

As opposed to a non genuine one?

Plagiarist.

My friend I have sank one bottle of shiraz and was in catch up. I had not yet seen your post. Rather than a plagiarist, I am merely a fan.

My favorite red. So good.

I prefer Malbecs but I also enjoy a good Shiraz. I also just learned from Wikipedia that Shiraz and Syrah are the same thing.

themoreyouknow.jpg

[colonialbob]

Spoiler: show

Just reread it. You say you have a case but then the next sentences are all qualifiers and concerns about side angles which serve to weaken it. You spend more time on the side stuff that concern you about it than your actual suspicion. I don't know how else to explain your post to you, lol. I'm heading to bed, g'night. Hopefully you will see things clearly soon.

I said I have a suspicion, but that I also have reservations about the way Colin is being treated in the thread. If it’s messy, it’s because my thought process is unsettled. Because it’s Day 1. You’ve lamented yourself how difficult Day 1 often is. I wasn’t distracted from my suspicion on Colin. I was simply discussing it within the context of the game. I then laid out my case in another post shortly after, but you’re not looking at that because it’s not included in Epi’s (intentionally) bullshit case.

To what end do you think Epignosis has fabricated this case against you?

He does things like this often. I don't care to speculate on why I think he's doing this or what his motivations could be, but I've seen him employ fake reads as a civilian too many times to be upset by it. It's upsetting that you guys are listening to him though.

I can give evidence in support of my belief that he's full of bologna though. First, let's establish that Epignosis is not a frivolous mafia player. He is calculated and clever, and puts real, honest, sincere thought into the things that he does regardless of his alignment. Now let's look at the case that he made. It starts here:

What mafia member says, "You know what? I'm going to plop a lazy third vote down on DDL early on in the day and draw attention to myself! That's a great idea!"

Lock civilian.

a careless one

this is not my primary concern about colin anyway.

You're the one who is bad.

Short, impulsive declaration of the read. Okay. Nothing too strong yet, but this isn't the most severe introduction to a case I've ever seen from him.

Sloonei is so bad.

This is where he starts to get a bit loosey goosey (read: not serious, frivolous). This type of post is more at home in Macdougall's ISO, not Epi's. He's just stirring a pot.

I am about to dismantle you in front of your peers. Are you ready?

Colorful and playful banter. Yeah, this is not serious business Epi.

I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

This is the case. This is a very narrow-minded case from Epignosis. Yes, he picks at linguistic oddities from time to time, but that's the only typical Epignosis characteristic in this post. I believe he knows exactly what I meant when I qualified my Colin read. I also don't believe he's suspicious of a person for expressing reservations about a Day 1 read. Epignosis, serious Epignosis, understands that Day 1 reads are fluid, unsettled, and changing. He might have a little bit of suspicion against me. He does not have "Sloonei is so bad, I'm going to dismantle him" level of suspicion. Certainly not 24 hours into a game.

I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

"Genuine" because the first play in the Day 1 Sloonei playbook is to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Case in point: My Tranq vote which I just talked about in my previous post. Or, you know, any other game I've ever played on the Syndicate. I clarified that my Colin suspicion is genuine to iterate that this is more than just pot-stirring. My vote is on him because I actually find things he's said to be suspicious, not solely because I want to make people respond to my vote being on him.

If your suspicion of Colin was true, none of the red shit I highlighted would logically follow. If you truly believe Colin is bad you wouldn't care if other people think so too (in fact, you should welcome it), you wouldn't care how many teams there are (who gives a shit?) and you wouldn't care if bad guys lynch other bad guys.

You are bad. This is obvious to me.

The bullshit alarms are sounding all over this post, but I don't care. This post presents my read as if all Day 1 reads should be black and white. "If you believe Colin is bad you wouldn't care if other people think so too, as if everything that is happening here is in its own little vacuum and my read should be concretely settled because I believe in it. He then reaffirms how "obvious" it is that I am bad as if any of this stuff holds weight, or as if he'd really be so sure this early in a game. This is not a sincere case from Epginosis.

Epi is my strongest town read in the game.

Sloonbeard, I like the cut of your jib, but I don't love this post. If Epi is doing an epi thing and manufacturing a case, doesn't calling it out like this undermine whatever he is trying to accomplish?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I hate this argument about ties. It's full of WIFOM and NAI and general inconclusive waste of time.

Someone tieing a poll could mean literally anything, such as... wanting that person to be lynched.

While I agree with the sentiment, the language of this post feels a little too dismissive of the conversation itself. I like that people talked about ties. It gave us content and produced some new areas of discussion.

I mean literally any subject can produce content and new areas of discussion. It doesn't change the fact the subject itself is a waste of time.

[colonialbob]

#StopSuspectingPeopleForThinkingInShadesOfGrey2k19

I can get behind this campaign.

With a paddle?

#2018shadesofgrey

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm not overly concerned with DDL's post speculating about role alignments. It's not wrong to suggest that baddies will talk about mechanics rather than gameplay early on, but I don't necessarily get that vibe from DDL. That's not to say I get definitively town vibes from him, but he's shown himself to be a somewhat idiosyncratic player in the past and I've mistakenly held that against him more than once. Also, he's not shied away from gameplay discussion either.

That said, his posts haven't read as surefire civilian to me. Some things:

This gave me vertigo.

Reads are rarely well-defined on Day 1.

I feel like you have made more remarks about how Day 1 is supposed to be weak than anyone else even though you have more posts and contribution than most people anyway.

[colonialbob]

I do see some valid points on the case against sloonei but I also can see that as a playstyle thing. It's been awhile since I've been here but I know sometimes people just go in guns blazing and start accusing people and get the conversation going. It's not my thing but some people are good at that.
Also just wondering why if someone is a top poster they shouldn't be voted for. Just in the sense that they do get people talking and a conversation happening?

What are the valid points you see?

[colonialbob]

I kind of agree with Epi on Colin. His post voting on me is beyond terrible. So terrible I have to wonder why a mafia would make it. Feels like a classic "too bad to be bad" case.

Blech

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Coming from experience, i think sloonei looks town. I drilled a hole into him for his weird wording and actions in megaman, and we were both town. I'm more interested in the fact DDL still isnt the main topic of discussion with 3 votes on him

Wait, I'm not? Could have fooled me.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Tranq keeps looking more and more passive and making Night 0 seems like his strongest moment in the game and I hate that.

[VOTE: Tranq] aubergine

Also G-Man's defense is alright. Not exactly conclusive, but believable.

[juliets]

Coming from experience, i think sloonei looks town. I drilled a hole into him for his weird wording and actions in megaman, and we were both town. I'm more interested in the fact DDL still isnt the main topic of discussion with 3 votes on him

Wait, I'm not? Could have fooled me.

He made a correction in his next post. He is really talking about coliniscool not you.

[Lunalee]

@S~V~S I just added Space Force to my signature as well.

you didn’t add that civilian loss in Dethys game tho

You're right! I had completely forgotten about that game. I'll add it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Picture looks fine.

I can vote after having posted. Looks like DH saw he couldn't vote, posted, and then pooped about not being able to vote without realising he should now be able to.

These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

He has some starting posts which suggests he's trying to figure out what other people are doing.

These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Sounds good. Why didn't you mention this when you voted?

This post was pretty good. TH hid information that could have been useful. He called him out on it.

Yeah i'm not feeling this Sloonei case. He reads civ to me. Also voting the top poster on Day 1 isn't a great idea.

G-Man is someone i want to hear more from today. I want to see how he responds to DDL and INH (maybe others?) calling him out.

On Day 1 if nothing really stands out i prefer to vote a low or non-poster.

Then he changed to a more passive approach. Waiting to see what others will do. Saying nothing stands out and he might vote a low poster. I dunno, my gut says he was trying to look super pro-active at first but now he found a more comfortable spot.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

What is the case on Jack? I see two votes on him but I don't remember anything that really pinged me.