Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 7]

#1201

#1202

#1203

MovingPictures07 wrote:G-Man, these pictures are cracking me up. Good stuff. I'm not even mad that you're obviously faking it at this point. :P

:P

#1204

#1205

Oh, they're used to that aggressive line of questioning.

All the more reason I think that, if she is being honest, she would have been more direct. Literally every single one of her posts smells of manipulation in:
- Trying to discredit the accusations as coming out of nowhere, false, overblown, etc., multiple times
- Trying to play up my behavior as emotionally-charged, and therefore untrustworthy multiple times
- Trying to shrug off her thoughts earlier as if it's all meaningless -- if so, why say you are leaning civ if you're just going to turn around and vote that person later with no explanation?
- Trying to provide sloppy explanations for her thoughts

I just feel as if she was being honest that, even if she failed to explain her train of thought, there would still be able to be established an understanding. She FINALLY started doing that in the most recent post to Jay, but that should have been done from the very beginning.

That's why I just went ahead and voted for her. I won't lie that I'm nervous, but I feel this is all really solid stuff, and we need to get her lynched to most likely catch a mafia today.

#1206

Not to mention that MM said this:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think Elohcin has any choice but to be a baddie right now.

#1207

I will avenge you, my marmot friend.

#1208

G-Man wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:G-Man, these pictures are cracking me up. Good stuff. I'm not even mad that you're obviously faking it at this point. :P

:P

idk what this one means

#1209

That's G-Man giving me the middle finger because I said he's obviously faking it at this point.

#1210

I want to hear reads from both of my top suspects (Bass and Elo). I can't post much today, but their contributions for the rest of this Day phase will decide my vote.

I ask for reads to provide clarity on their play and maybe help clear your names, if I like the reads. So, uh you two, got any thoughts?

#1211

Re: Sloonei and MP:

where i agree with you both is that Elohcin could stand to be less dismissive of her accusers. i don't think it's hard to understand why the things we've all pointed to are being viewed suspiciously, and an earnest townie should acknowledge that.

so, Elohcin: how reasonable do you feel it is for other players to be suspicious of you right now? just give me a frank answer, even a number on a 1-10 scale if you like.

#1212

G-Man wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:So Adam Smith targetted Malthus and stole his kill, if I'm getting it correctly. That means we have a townie who knows who the serial killer is. Awesome.

You mean he made Malthus (aka Epi) self target? Is that even possible?

#1213

i'd assume it's possible, yes (that Adam Smith made Malthus kill himself). but who knows? we'll see about that after Night 2 based on who dies and how many.

#1214

I'm bummed Epignosis died. i wanted to lock horns with him all game long. :P

#1215

mp is definitely bad too

#1216

sanmateo wrote:mp is definitely bad too

cool why though

#1217

i already analyzed the people who voted for Golden. i'll look back to the last hour or so of Day 1 and see who did not vote for him during that critical stretch. maybe someone was content to avoid a known townie bandwagon.

#1218

MovingPictures07 wrote:I will avenge you, my marmot friend.

Avenge me!

#1219

I remember birdwithteeth's vote standing out because it seemed like he was the only one to go for Bass without giving any reason, but I looked back and realized that's wrong and he stated agreement with my case in this post: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 34#p143634

that looks good and i approve, but for the sake of skepticism I'll say it's possible he could just be scum hopping on an easy and pre-established case, and one that didn't have as much momentum as some of the others and thus wouldn't be as likely to result in an actual lynch that day.

#1220

seemingly a few people voted during that final stretch without actually making a post to indicate it. unless i'm missing them. it's hard to tell because there are no timestamps for the poll votes. and that is making it difficult for me to assess players thoroughly.

#1221

I'm having a hard time keeping track of this game. sorry guys, haven't even done my reread of the new guys. I'm probably going to vote for one of the people with a shady day 1 vote. So far I am leaning TH, only because I think Elo is explaining herself a bit better then TH. Maybe I am a little bit clouded by my last experience with a civvie Elo in Roger Rabbit.

Does anyone have any logical reasoning that Gman could still be cursed?

#1222

TinyBubbles wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote:If you're asking would I be willing to vote to confirm Epi was mafia then yes I would.
i was just looking for your response so i could gauge whether you really didn't realize Epi is dead or milked the noob card.

at the moment my top suspect is probably Elohcin. i'll re-evaluate everyone later in the day phase though and see where i stand. i don't like to hold stubbornly onto Day 1 suspicions moving forward in a game.
Ooh sneaky, maybe I'll have to recant my opinion about you being a good guy
I'm not milking the noob card I just skim a lot and miss things, it's as lame as that >_>

Anyway, I'm just gonna go ahead and Vote Elohcin. I'm assuming you're not a lying dirty wolf in sheep's clothing misleading me; apart from Bass I don't really know who else to vote for and don't really want to spend more time on it. Elohcin if you're innocent i'm TRULY SORRY and to everyone else, please don't bandwagon. I don't want to be responsible for lynching an innocent. That's probably what got Golden killed.

I don't understand such an early vote. I mean, you talk about not milking the noob card, but then go ahead and vote 30 hours before the poll deadline? That's 30 hours of other conversations and ideas that could come up that you can't take advantage of to make an informed vote.

#1223

fingersplints wrote:Maybe I am a little bit clouded by my last experience with a civvie Elo in Roger Rabbit.

have you noticed similarities between the Elo of this game and the Elo of that game?

#1224

Turnip Head wrote:I'm going to go ahead and vote TinyBubbles.

And then this too. Orly?

Btw, still catching up. So I'm commenting on stuff as I go along.

Linki

#1225

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:seemingly a few people voted during that final stretch without actually making a post to indicate it. unless i'm missing them. it's hard to tell because there are no timestamps for the poll votes. and that is making it difficult for me to assess players thoroughly.

There aren't any time stamps, but the numbers next to the name signify vote order, so you should be able to piece it together.

#1226

Roxy wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Also, do any of this community's regulars have tips for us noobs on how to proceed with the scumhuntery sans role reveals?
You are doing fine with how you are approaching the game. There is no hard and fast way to find baddies, each of us have our own unique way of playing - no one way is right or wrong - so make your own kind of music

Thank you, I certainly appreciate the uniqueness of everyone's styles. My music right now wants to know what your style is telling you at the moment, Roxy. Who do you suspect? Who do you not suspect? And, because I've got a vested interest in it, what can you tell me about both/either of Bass and Elohcin?

#1227

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Maybe I am a little bit clouded by my last experience with a civvie Elo in Roger Rabbit.
have you noticed similarities between the Elo of this game and the Elo of that game?

Yes. I feel like it is more similar to her most recent baddie game I can remember.
Also, I feel like I have suspected Elo a lot for bandwagoning. So while her vote is weird I am not sure that it is that weird for Elo. And I am a bit wary that no one so many people seem to be ok with lynching her.

linki @ Sloonei - Bass is Roxy's son, and that is why I asked her opinion of him earlier. She can read him very well, so if she says he is alright I believe it for now.

#1228

fingersplints wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Maybe I am a little bit clouded by my last experience with a civvie Elo in Roger Rabbit.
have you noticed similarities between the Elo of this game and the Elo of that game?
Yes. I feel like it is more similar to her most recent baddie game I can remember.
Also, I feel like I have suspected Elo a lot for bandwagoning. So while her vote is weird I am not sure that it is that weird for Elo. And I am a bit wary that no one so many people seem to be ok with lynching her.

linki @ Sloonei - Bass is Roxy's son, and that is why I asked her opinion of him earlier. She can read him very well, so if she says he is alright I believe it for now.

I feel like it is more similar to that then her most recent baddie game I can remember. Sorry that's going to be confusing when people read it. I really should proofreed, but I'm trying to catch up on 3 games atm

#1229

fingersplints wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Maybe I am a little bit clouded by my last experience with a civvie Elo in Roger Rabbit.
have you noticed similarities between the Elo of this game and the Elo of that game?
Yes. I feel like it is more similar to her most recent baddie game I can remember.
Also, I feel like I have suspected Elo a lot for bandwagoning. So while her vote is weird I am not sure that it is that weird for Elo. And I am a bit wary that no one so many people seem to be ok with lynching her.

linki @ Sloonei - Bass is Roxy's son, and that is why I asked her opinion of him earlier. She can read him very well, so if she says he is alright I believe it for now.

:o

#1230

fingersplints wrote:Yes. I feel like it is more similar to her most recent baddie game I can remember.

so you mean her behavior in this game has been comparable to her civilian game in Roger Rabbit and also comparable to her baddie game in something else? sorry to double-request clarification, it's necessary since i didn't participate in these other games.

fingersplints wrote:so many people seem to be ok with lynching her.

yes, it could be called a bit troubling that she already has a 3-vote pile on top of her so early in the day. i didn't anticipate that.

fingersplints wrote:linki @ Sloonei - Bass is Roxy's son, and that is why I asked her opinion of him earlier. She can read him very well, so if she says he is alright I believe it for now.

this site has some interesting family dynamics going on.

#1231

nevermind the first question, fingersplints. you just answered it.

#1232

birdwithteeth11 wrote:That's 30 hours of other conversations and ideas that could come up that you can't take advantage of to make an informed vote.

indeed. and how do you feel about MP (a definite non-noob being the site founder) placing his vote already?

#1233

i've never played in more than one mafia game at once. i dunno how y'all can deal with 2 or 3

#1234

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote:Ooh sneaky, maybe I'll have to recant my opinion about you being a good guy
I'm not milking the noob card I just skim a lot and miss things, it's as lame as that >_>

Anyway, I'm just gonna go ahead and Vote Elohcin. I'm assuming you're not a lying dirty wolf in sheep's clothing misleading me; apart from Bass I don't really know who else to vote for and don't really want to spend more time on it. Elohcin if you're innocent i'm TRULY SORRY and to everyone else, please don't bandwagon. I don't want to be responsible for lynching an innocent. That's probably what got Golden killed.
Hey Sloonei, look at the bit i just bolded up there in that quote.

TinyBubbles, why don't you want to spend more time thinking about your vote? you have quite a long time before the deadline, and who knows who else might influence you? how you might feel yourself? and why trust me so thoroughly as you just drop a vote on the one name i gave you as a suspect?

I could think of 2 reasons TinyBubbles might drop a vote so early on your main suspect:

1) Possibly he's buddying up to you, and wants you to think he's a civ by comparison.

2) If Elo is lynched and flips civ, he could use it as a way to put responsibility on you. I.e. "I only voted Elo because I agreed with JJJ" or something along those lines.

#1235

sanmateo wrote:
Elohcin wrote: MP also made stuff up about my vote, told a lie. He said that I posted that I thought Golden was CIV! Then he later quote a post from me where I say Golden is my #2 suspect. He said that I never had an opinion on anyone but him, but then he quoted a post where I mention several names and what I think about them.
you are definitely skipping over my posts, dont really care if you mentioned other people (but did you? where?), but you said golden was civ and then you voted for him without explaining why at all, you basically never mentioned them again other than to say you were voting them

why do i keep saying things when you arent gonna reply to them or even read them

Elohcin wrote:
Anyway, I am leaning civ on Epi, Golden, MM, Splints, and Jimmy. I am not sure about San, Sloo, DDL, MP, and BR.
vote elohcin

ANOTHER early vote? Seriously?!

I might just go back and look at everyone who is voting so ridiculously early. Unless you have a significant RL reason (and I haven't seen any yet), I don't understand the point of not waiting to decide.

#1236

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo's responses don't bode well for her.

I just can't see any reason to wait. This said, I still will discuss suspects.

Votes Elo

............You an early vote too?!

I swear, I might have a mild aneurysm.

#1237

How do votes normally play out on this site? Is it typical for some players to cast votes super early in the day, as we've seen a bit of today? Or do people usually wait for the end of the phase before using it?
On RYM we usually have unlimited vote changes and everyone's voting and unvoting every twenty seconds.

#1238

Sloonei wrote:How do votes normally play out on this site? Is it typical for some players to cast votes super early in the day, as we've seen a bit of today? Or do people usually wait for the end of the phase before using it?
On RYM we usually have unlimited vote changes and everyone's voting and unvoting every twenty seconds.

it makes me want to expose these people to our madness

#1239

This is definitely abnormal; it's custom for votes to be cast as late as possible, unless there is a significant reason otherwise.

I take full responsibility for my early vote. I believe I've given Elo every possible chance to prove her civilian behavior and I don't see it.

BWT, if you feel my early vote is unwarranted after you've read all my thoughts on the matter, so be it, but I think I've been more than clear.

#1240

I'm also incredibly intrigued as to why sanmateo thinks I'm "definitely bad" because I'm not.

#1241

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i've never played in more than one mafia game at once. i dunno how y'all can deal with 2 or 3

The most I've played at once is 5. It's definitely intense. :P

#1242

when y'all were spectating Turnip Head in champs game #3, did your brains melt when 300 different players all claimed cop?

#1243

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i've never played in more than one mafia game at once. i dunno how y'all can deal with 2 or 3

I don't have much of a real life...

And I die quickly anyway.

#1244

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:when y'all were spectating Turnip Head in champs game #3, did your brains melt when 300 different players all claimed cop?

Yes, that was so insane, lol.

I'm definitely taking advantage of mafia norms elsewhere to introduce to folks here.

But I also plan on enjoying continuing to subject others to our ways of insanity as well. It's refreshing to play different approaches, in my opinion.

#1245

Splints, can you explain what it is you see that's similar about Elo's game here to her civ game in RR? I'm not seeing it, but it's possible you're catching something that I'm not.

I've explained away so many players' behavior in past games due to meta. I'm sticking to my guns here, even in spite of Elo's meta (since I think this is baddie Elo), since I've already cast my vote, but I'm hoping you can illuminate this matter nonetheless.

#1246

And, to clarify, I know I've said I am really busy, and I am, but toward the latter part of last week I've been able to shift some of my work around, as well as devote practically every moment to this game, and today I'm giving myself a day off since my SAS class ended yesterday.

That said, I have a take home final, my replication, a different paper, and some other things to work on, so those are all reasons that I will almost certainly hardly be around at all tomorrow.

#1247

MovingPictures07 wrote:That said, I have a take home final, my replication, a different paper, and some other things to work on, so those are all reasons that I will almost certainly hardly be around at all tomorrow.

Prove it. Show me your personal schedule pad. And your syllabus.

j/k

#1248

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:That said, I have a take home final, my replication, a different paper, and some other things to work on, so those are all reasons that I will almost certainly hardly be around at all tomorrow.
Prove it. Show me your personal schedule pad. And your syllabus.

j/k

Too soon.

Just kidding.

#1249

hey Sloonei, tell me what you think about all the RYMers.

#1250

Sloonei wrote:I remember birdwithteeth's vote standing out because it seemed like he was the only one to go for Bass without giving any reason, but I looked back and realized that's wrong and he stated agreement with my case in this post: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 34#p143634

that looks good and i approve, but for the sake of skepticism I'll say it's possible he could just be scum hopping on an easy and pre-established case, and one that didn't have as much momentum as some of the others and thus wouldn't be as likely to result in an actual lynch that day.

Usually, it takes me a few cycles to really get into a mafia game and start to go with some of my own ideas. So usually for Day 1, I look for something to catch my eye and I often get accused of piggybacking or parroting other peoples' ideas. Although I tend to think that I still add my own thoughts in there.

I still don't feel good about Bass. But I definitely want to hear more from everyone that voted early. Especially as to why they didn't hold off on voting until later with more discussion and information.

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