Metalmarsh89 wrote:I didn't realize you guys know nutella too, especially since she apparently lives over on my side of the country (Oregon). Nisani, I feel like you guys said you knew Nisani, but I was uncertain.
And you say Nisani is smart. Nisani also voted you. Coincidence?
I have known her since she was about 13 or 14, lol. Quite a few of us have, actually. Lostpedia.
So Nisani was one of the team? That might explain some of the Day One behavior from someone~ protecting a new player teammate. If either Dana or LC was the Teammate, that would mean they were replaced. Or if they were not, now there is a solo teammate.
Hope you come back and play a less "each man for himself" game, Nisani
And yeah, I know it's WIFOM, but I would not have killed Dana; it's weak that she died so early when she has not played in some time.
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
LC was Death, and tried to kill Nisani (probably, could also have been his partner) N1. Which is why we didn't have a Death NK N2. That should mean we won't have a NK from Death again tonight, and unless Switcheroo decides to bring the role back, we won't again.
If that's wrong, Nutella is Death, and we should lynch her tomorrow (so if there's a Death NK tonight, lynched Nutella tomorrow).
I think MM was probably Nisani's BTSC partner, so I also wouldn't mind lynching him so that we've completely gotten rid of that team so Switcheroo can't put it back in play.
S~V~S wrote:Personally, I kinda think it was LC. It puts a context to his actions that makes sense to me.
I agree with this. I do not think LC was death and tried to kill Nisani. It doesn't make any sense to me for him to try and NK someone he had a voting alliance with.
Made wrote:Ok guys, if you may, throw traditional mafia out the window.
While I didn't want to admit it earlier (because death), SVS had the right idea early on, thinking about the game differently than you think of a typical mafia game.
In a traditional mafia game, as civvie, your goal is to work together against a common unknown enemy. This game is very different. The goal of this game is to misdirect, but without the use of secrets to hide behind. There's no outright lying because-- if you want to view the game from a traditional mafia perspective-- everyone is mafia
So where does that leave us? Each player can be looked at as a threat, and how much of a threat they could possibly be is based not on their alignment or behavior, but how much damage they could do to you. Using this we can sort of prioritize who is the biggest threat
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Didn't mean to press submit, but w/e
Anyways, killing roles are the biggest threat to us all, I think everyone would agree, so they should take priority and focus. Remove them from the game would make those players who aren't killer now on equal (or at least more so) equal footing with their peers.
The best course of discussion right now would be who would kill who and why? I doubt anything more than double deflections or framing would of happen at this point as few people have yet to bring it up.
Starting with
"He who shall prolly die tonight"- Killing his teammate would be smart, but not this early. If people supported him, vocally or otherwise, it makes no sense to kill even one of them off during the early, wild wild west part of the game, especially considering his own deflection and crazy acting. His teammates/allies could of work as a deflection at the very least to prevent what's probably going to happen tonight.
It would make sense to talk crazy, it would make sense to kill teammates. Not both.
I think a great place to start would be Dana. Those who know who dana is would be the least likely to kill her for multiple reasons
1. Dana has only played in 2 games on this site, including this one, so i very much doubt that people who knew that would kill her, this early anyways
2. Dana's remote enough for the majority of the player base that it's very likely the killer choose her because remoteness.
3. A combination of knowing who Dana is, and killing her anyways would be very mean. While possible, a distancing strategy like that wouldn't work very well unless everyone had knowledge of Dana's relations to other players this game, which few players do.
And discuss!
Interesting theory but I would like to point out that your logic is actually traditional mafia theorizing for tracking down a serial killer role. That's actually not bad logic though considering the construct of this game involves a few killing roles that operate independently. The NK'ers (heh, nickers) in this game are effectively like serial killers from normal games. I've only ever been the SK once and even then I just randomized the player list for my kills, so I don't have much insight on how SK's plot their kills. A distancing move makes sense in a normal game but can we apply any level of reason or logic to this game? I have no idea.
I like where you're going with this but I hope you realize that your sudden willingness to contribute substantially to the game at a time when you were a close 2nd in the lynch poll also smells like a desperate attempt to deflect, persuade, and save your own arse. I wouldn't expect a sudden surge of helpfulness to take you off too many players' radar. Where was this intuition and theorizing on Day 2, Night 2 or early on in Day 3?
Made wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Made I also think it's important that we prioritize who we tthink is a big threat. I think someone who can survive a lynch can become a big problem later in the game. So im voting Made.
Let's assume that i do know how i survived (which i don't). and that it's role related.
Which is more of a threat: A role that can survive lynches (which btw make no sense to vote me if you believe that), or a role that can kill you?
If you take all the personal stuff and strategy out of the equation, all non NK'ers are equally vulnerable to getting NK'ed. NK'ers have an advantage at night. An unlycnhable player has an advantage during the day. If a NK'er is also unlynchable, that's a powerful advantage. Finding and eliminating the NK'ers is important but it's not because they can kill. It's because they have an advantage. I want to get rid of anyone who has an advantage over me, whether that is NK'ing or lynch survival. In my mind they are an equal threat.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Dana has played Dr. Who, Monty Python, Misfits, and this game.
Regardless, you aren't wrong, that she is a bit of a remote player and doesn't play much. But there is a group of players in this game who have never played here, or have not played here in a while.
G-Man, rabbit (3rd game), boo, bullzeye (2nd game back I think), Nisani, nutella, unfurl. That's a hearty looking list.
So you are saying that you think that someone on that list killed her? I still think that since everyone needs everyone else dead, players are less likely to hold back too much.
Aaand I'm on a list. Wonderful. :P
Made wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
G-Man, rabbit (3rd game), boo, bullzeye (2nd game back I think), Nisani, nutella, unfurl. That's a hearty looking list.
So you are saying that you think that someone on that list killed her? I still think that since everyone needs everyone else dead, players are less likely to hold back too much.
Yes but look closer: Nisani and Nutella know dana outside of mafia, Nutella being the person who introduced her (and me) to mafia, so she's off the list. Nisani's off the list because the abovemented killing Dana would really dumb, and Nisani's smart.
I agree with Metal that players probably aren't likely too hold back much in a game like this. The structure almost encourages you to defy logic. In this game, the assumption of logic provides a WIFOM-ish cover. If Player A is a NK'er and has a history with Player B, logic would tell Player A not to NK Player B because it would be obvious to some other players aware of their history. But after a while, and under game circumstances such as these, that logic becomes a cover. People come to assume that Player A wouldn't NK Player B because it would be obvious, so if Player A actually NK's Player B, other players are divided over whether Player A would be so obvious or if it is some kind of frame job. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
G-Man wrote:Oh goodie, discussion! I'll have to catch up and respond to some of it later. It's dinner time and there's hockey on tonight. Rabbit and Splints are more than welcome to vote as they wish. They could tie this thing up if they wanted to. As for me, I'm not going to vote for either You Know Who or Made because the time bomb is still out there and I'm not gonna risk it.
Voting for Rabbit because that furry varmint has been awfully quite lately.
Do rabbit and fingersplints usually need your go-ahead to vote?
No, I was simply stating that they could tie the lynch up if they so desired but that it would put one of them at risk of blowing up if Made or Nisani were the time bomb.
Also, are you going to answer my question from earlier: Why did you vote for boo again? You've voted for boo in each lynch poll. Are you just being consistent or do you have a hunch about him?
rabbit8 wrote:
G-Man wrote:Oh goodie, discussion! I'll have to catch up and respond to some of it later. It's dinner time and there's hockey on tonight. Rabbit and Splints are more than welcome to vote as they wish. They could tie this thing up if they wanted to. As for me, I'm not going to vote for either You Know Who or Made because the time bomb is still out there and I'm not gonna risk it.
Voting for Rabbit because that furry varmint has been awfully quite lately.
You son of a!!!!!!!1
Yeah, my bad I have an ISO audit next week and we are getting ready. I will try to be more productive.
What kind of ISO audit is it? My company goes through one every 2-3 years to retain our ISO 17025 certification for for our calibration standards and services. Our poor calibration manager racks up a lot of overtime prepping for it.
S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I didn't realize you guys know nutella too, especially since she apparently lives over on my side of the country (Oregon). Nisani, I feel like you guys said you knew Nisani, but I was uncertain.
And you say Nisani is smart. Nisani also voted you. Coincidence?
I have known her since she was about 13 or 14, lol. Quite a few of us have, actually. Lostpedia.
So Nisani was one of the team? That might explain some of the Day One behavior from someone~ protecting a new player teammate. If either Dana or LC was the Teammate, that would mean they were replaced. Or if they were not, now there is a solo teammate.
Hope you come back and play a less "each man for himself" game, Nisani
And yeah, I know it's WIFOM, but I would not have killed Dana; it's weak that she died so early when she has not played in some time.
Good point about the teammate. I could see it being either LC or Dana. LC jumped aboard the Delta Squadron thing very quickly and some have stated that Nisani knows Dana from elsewhere. Would it make more sense for the teammates to create an alliance or would it be better for each of them to be on different teams? One can still win without the other, so I don't which option would be better. It probably depends on who the teammates are and their personal strategies. You know, the kind of stuff we won't know until endgame.
As for your WIFOM comment, what's to say the NK'er cared about whether it was mean or not to take her out? For instance, rabbit said in sign-ups that he would kill me as early as possible and I firmly believe that he would have done it. Since I am still alive, I would cross rabbit off that list of possible Dana killers or NK'ers altogether. It would be mean for rabbit to NK me early because I'm a returning player but my understanding of rabbit is that he lives on that fine line between mean-but-funny and just outright mean. While some would consider it mean, had rabbit NK'ed me like I was dreading, I would have found it mean but funny and 100% classic rabbit.
boo wrote:LC was Death, and tried to kill Nisani (probably, could also have been his partner) N1. Which is why we didn't have a Death NK N2. That should mean we won't have a NK from Death again tonight, and unless Switcheroo decides to bring the role back, we won't again.
If that's wrong, Nutella is Death, and we should lynch her tomorrow (so if there's a Death NK tonight, lynched Nutella tomorrow).
I think MM was probably Nisani's BTSC partner, so I also wouldn't mind lynching him so that we've completely gotten rid of that team so Switcheroo can't put it back in play.
1) How could LC be Death if LC was NK'ed by Death?
Enrique wrote:Night 1
Long Con has been killed by Death.
Dana has been killed by Milton Conrad.
It is now Day. You have 24 hours to vote.
2) Any reasoning for Nutella being death?
3) Any reasoning for MM being Nisani's teammate?
For what is worth, I did not kill Dana or any other player for the matter, so Made can take my name off that list
I sort of think Made is a powerfull role and he is just trying to deflect the attention away from him cause he has gained several votes in every lynch,
but thats the point of game also
I seriously do not understand how are people are comming to conclusions on who is a killer?, is like epig saying bullz had btsc, deja vu all over
maybe people detectives skill in catching serial killers and btsc people is beyond me :P
All I see is people who needs to be lynched in order for me to be the last standing wo-man trying to figure out who is who, is just a bunch of assumptions that can change from one day to anothe if the switcherroo messed with those roles
But I guess people like to have "reason" to lynch another one :P
G-Man wrote:Oh goodie, discussion! I'll have to catch up and respond to some of it later. It's dinner time and there's hockey on tonight. Rabbit and Splints are more than welcome to vote as they wish. They could tie this thing up if they wanted to. As for me, I'm not going to vote for either You Know Who or Made because the time bomb is still out there and I'm not gonna risk it.
Voting for Rabbit because that furry varmint has been awfully quite lately.
Do rabbit and fingersplints usually need your go-ahead to vote?
No, I was simply stating that they could tie the lynch up if they so desired but that it would put one of them at risk of blowing up if Made or Nisani were the time bomb.
Also, are you going to answer my question from earlier: Why did you vote for boo again? You've voted for boo in each lynch poll. Are you just being consistent or do you have a hunch about him?
I did have a ping on Day 1. While that didn't carried over to Day 2, I think he is probably not the time bomb after the Day 1 lynch, so I know my vote is safe there if I don't want to put it somewhere else.
S~V~S wrote:Personally, I kinda think it was LC. It puts a context to his actions that makes sense to me.
I agree with this. I do not think LC was death and tried to kill Nisani. It doesn't make any sense to me for him to try and NK someone he had a voting alliance with.
I don't think LC could be Death at all. Wasn't he killed by death?
S~V~S wrote:Personally, I kinda think it was LC. It puts a context to his actions that makes sense to me.
I agree with this. I do not think LC was death and tried to kill Nisani. It doesn't make any sense to me for him to try and NK someone he had a voting alliance with.
I don't think LC could be Death at all. Wasn't he killed by death?
LC being Nisani partner, makes a little bit of sense about LC jumping the gun on votting for boo very quickly even before hearing what Nisani had to say about it oin day 1 or maybe it was bullz according to Epigs claims
I know a lot of people are crediting the Cupid role for the killing of Bullz/Epi - but what if one of them was the Time Bomb and got killed by the other dying in the proces.
I really hope the Time Bomb is gone.
As to LC being Nisani's partner - I just do not think LC would have let Nisani continue on his own path.
Bullzeye has been killed by Ghost Illyria.
Epignosis took his own life out of grief.
It is now Day.
I think that the post was pretty explicit
It is clear and thanks for pulling this post bc I was too lazy to check who killed who - so Bullz could have beenthe Time Bomb. Just something to keep in mind.
I think Epig and Bullz, were linked by cupid, even the poll in the day had a title that sounds like it
From a game mechanic point of view, I think that was a brilliant move from cupid, after how those two were going at eacheitheir
Im actually afraid on thinking if cupid still out there, who has been linked
G-Man wrote:Also, are you going to answer my question from earlier: Why did you vote for boo again? You've voted for boo in each lynch poll. Are you just being consistent or do you have a hunch about him?
I did have a ping on Day 1. While that didn't carried over to Day 2, I think he is probably not the time bomb after the Day 1 lynch, so I know my vote is safe there if I don't want to put it somewhere else.
Works for me. I've been putting my vote in safe places as well to avoid the risk of blowing up.
rabbit8 wrote:G-Man-9001, 14001, and 18001 for production and safety. Pain in the ass.
Bullzeye has been killed by Ghost Illyria.
Epignosis took his own life out of grief.
It is now Day.
I think that the post was pretty explicit
It is clear and thanks for pulling this post bc I was too lazy to check who killed who - so Bullz could have beenthe Time Bomb. Just something to keep in mind.
I don't see how Bullz could have been the time bomb. I don't think our host would pass up on the chance to mention an epic explosion. There is always a chance that the time bomb role was healed/protected and is no longer a threat. There is also a chance that the time bomb role gets switched to a dead player tonight and we won't know it. For now, I am assuming the time bomb is still alive and ticking.
Can our host tell us if the time bomb fuse resets every time it is switched? Or does it become a dud once switched? If shifted to a dead player and then shifted back into play, does the fuse start over or pick up where it left off?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:This would mean that Epignosis was Ghost Illyria if Bullzeye was the time bomb.
I agree with SVS, in that the were targeted by Cupid. I think the post would have read differently if the time bomb was involved.
I think it was Cupid as well. I hope the Time bomb is dead though, I guess for safety I will try not to be last to vote. Hope my ISO auditors see I'm trying, those bitch ass bureaucrats!!!
Yeah G-Man, Safety Audits are fucking killer, makes me want to pour oil all over, and throw my hard hat at the auditors!!!
You say Bullz could be the time bomb, right? If he was (which I don't believe he was), it said he was killed by Ghost Irrylia. Epignosis died the same night, and since the killer of the time bomb would also die, that would mean that Epignosis would have to be the ghost killer person.
I guess technically he could have been the killer AND been a target of Cupid from Night 1. The odds of that are not great though.
I dont think LC was on Nisani's team. If nisani was smart or is partner was smart they would have joined two different alliances to keep distance and have safety in numbers.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I dont think LC was on Nisani's team. If nisani was smart or is partner was smart they would have joined two different alliances to keep distance and have safety in numbers.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I dont think LC was on Nisani's team. If nisani was smart or is partner was smart they would have joined two different alliances to keep distance and have safety in numbers.
what happends if people dont vote in the poll?
are they automatically dead? just thinking, is it means something? well, I already voted it, so I hope that means Im safe
boo wrote:LC was Death, and tried to kill Nisani (probably, could also have been his partner) N1. Which is why we didn't have a Death NK N2. That should mean we won't have a NK from Death again tonight, and unless Switcheroo decides to bring the role back, we won't again.
If that's wrong, Nutella is Death, and we should lynch her tomorrow (so if there's a Death NK tonight, lynched Nutella tomorrow).
what?? why do you think this? LC was killed by death as others have pointed out, so I have no idea where you are getting this idea, and what makes you think I could be death? you are being just as mysterious as Epi was.
also btw Roxy/etc it was very obviously/explicitly Cupid, both in the night post and in the title of the poll the next day (something like "who killed the lovers")
finally, just to clear up as some people are unaware of this, I knew Made, Dana, and Nisani from the same IRC community that Enrique knows them from (completely unrelated to lp/piano/etc communities, but Enrique introduced me to there). I haven't known them for very long/don't know them very well compared to those of you that I know from lp/piano.
S~V~S wrote:Aw that sucks, I thought both were contributing quite a bit to the game.
It being the weekend hopefully we'll have a bit more chattiness going on
Agreed. Boo made some claims during the Night and now we'll never get more detail out of it. So how do we apply logic to his death- was he silenced, was it random, or was it to set someone else up? This game is exhausting. I'll have to go back and look at Splints posts to see if there was anything in them to put a target on her back.
I'm actually more chatty during the week. My daughter likes to play with her daddy on the weekends.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think boo was death.
Pretty sure that gets a but I'll throw a your way just in case.
Back to playoff hockey. My Habbies won! 2-0 series lead baby!
No but really it's plausible. Boo didn't talk night 2 death didn't kill night 2. Talked night 3, and death killed night 3. Keep in mind death kills every night, not just every other day.
S~V~S wrote:Aw that sucks, I thought both were contributing quite a bit to the game.
It being the weekend hopefully we'll have a bit more chattiness going on
Does it really suck? I mean, isn't it the point to narrow the game down to fewer and fewer players?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think boo was death.
What makes you think that? That you say this makes me think YOU could be death
Did I do something to you? Everything I say seems to annoy you
And yes, it does suck, because with his deals and total lack of fear regarding making suppositions, boo kept the thread moving. He was as amusing, interesting and formidable adversary. Splints was also a good person to have around, she always has a good eye, and is a fun player.
And MM, lol
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
dont know what to think about boo/death/ nutella tbqh, it could had been a set up or it just wifom,
boo never made it clear why he thought nutella was death, and I still dont understand how people could pin point who is who in a game like this?
so if I vote for someone is not because I think they are certain role, is just cause you need to die
S~V~S wrote:Aw that sucks, I thought both were contributing quite a bit to the game.
It being the weekend hopefully we'll have a bit more chattiness going on
Does it really suck? I mean, isn't it the point to narrow the game down to fewer and fewer players?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think boo was death.
What makes you think that? That you say this makes me think YOU could be death
*Sigh*. It was a joke because boo said he thought that LC was Death even though he was killed by Death.
I was 99% sure you were joking.
Made wrote:No but really it's plausible. Boo didn't talk night 2 death didn't kill night 2. Talked night 3, and death killed night 3. Keep in mind death kills every night, not just every other day.
I just don't see it. Just because someone doesn't post during a night phase doesn't mean they haven't PMed their power target to the host. It's possible that Death was blocked somehow Night 2. If that is the case, someone might have some knowledge as to who Death could be.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's a good point Made, but it still implies that boo killed himself, or someone made him kill himself.
Linki: I didn't think there were any solid points in boo's post. Did you, nutella?
nutella wrote:Bye Splints and Boo.
Death may be trying to frame me? Because Boo said that if Death killed tonight he's think it was me.
I just can't see someone being forced to kill themselves in this kind of game. That's pretty harsh. The only way I could see boo being so certain about Nutella is if boo was one of the power blocking roles and he blocked Nutella on Night 2. If he did that, it would make sense for him to suspect Nutella since he blocked her Night 2 and Death did not kill Night 2. But alas, we have no more boo to confirm or deny any of this.
Host- can we get another letter soon? N was a bit of a bust for us.
G-Man,
thats a good point about maybe boo being the blocker and perhaps blocking nutella night 2
but why he voted epig and not nutella day 3? he did had a weird thing going on with nutella
Fiddler on the Roof
well, I already voted it, so I hope that means Im safe 
So how do we apply logic to his death- was he silenced, was it random, or was it to set someone else up? This game is exhausting. I'll have to go back and look at Splints posts to see if there was anything in them to put a target on her back.
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