[ENDGAME] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

[FZ.]

I don't like bringing out of game stuff into a game, generally speaking, but I'm calling gamerguy as bad.

Given his posts in the hosting thread about 'only voting for games that don't allow deadies to sub back in', I think the real reason why TGG has asked to be subbed out of this one is more because of his opposition to epi subbing in, and less because of his internet issues (not saying the excuse isn't legitimate).

I'm beginning to think the reason for it is because he is annoyed that he killed epi and epi is back.

Gamer Guy was Mordecai in Bible Mafia? He definitely got heated about what he felt were game design flaws in our BTSC, so i could see this being true, actually. However, I'd put that last on my list behind my other reads because that's a pretty crazy reason to vote someone. While there dis a bit of a logical possibility to it, it's just odd to build a case around stuff not even in the game.

@FZ, he blatantly, over and over again, said that he was not going to get lynched, and that he was going to move the lynch to Long Con. Tons of variations on "yeah, keep opting for me guys, so that Long Con gets lynched, muhuhaha". It was one of the bigger info dumps I've seen in awhile.

I thought he claimed it was fake and he only did it to see what will happen and not because it was true. Do you not believe him? It strikes me as genuine because what would he have to gain by info dumping that?

[timmer]

Cobalt has been insanified

I just to that part. Sometimes, an insanifier is just the right thing, isn't it?

[Sloonei]

Bullzeye
My thoughts can be found here. He's since asked for a replacement. Twiddling my thumbs.

Cobalt
pass

Devin
I was surprised to see he has 20 posts, but they're all from early in the game (his latest post is on page 14). I recall MP passing along an excuse for absence from him, but that's not gonna exonerate him by any means. Most of his posts center around the "Day 1 truce" thing which he started. I do not take his posts seriously here, and it's pretty clear he was joking. I get no indication about his alignment in these early posts, but I thought the ease and composure with which he explained himself looked good (or at least better than MP). This is the closest thing he's made to a substantive post in this game, but it's so early and so preliminary that I can't really make anything of it. Definitely need Devin to start contributing soon.

DFaraday
18 posts is not a lot, but he's been good at consistently having things to say when he does make posts, which does not give the impression that he's "wallflowering" or "blending" or any of those words. Because I'm getting lazy and don't want these posts to take up too much space, I'll say that I've got positive vibes from nearly all of his posts, and nothing feels dishonest. However, as it's still very early and we've got practically zero factual pieces of evidence in the thread, none of these reads are anything but speculative. DFaraday so far is a slight town read, but I never put too much stock in any of my reads until a bad guy has been caught. That seems oddly threatening. Keep doing what you're doing, DFaraday. Here's his most recent list of suspects, and I'd still like to hear more from him on these (and other) names:

Who is your top suspect right now, DFaraday? would you be willing to put an early vote on anyone right now?

I suppose still Cobalt, although his over-the-top reaction to LC surviving did seem pretty sincere. Were I to do a rainbow list, the next highest people would be TB, Hedge, and Gamer Guy (now G-Man). I think Golden may have been on to something with his find, but i agree with MM that it's not really in the spirit of Mafia to use other threads for info.

Dragon/Canucklehead
I mentioned earlier that I was getting town vibes from Canucklehead because of how wide-ranging her suspicions were. That stems from posts like this and this. She seems to be earnestly reading the thread and sharing whatever thoughts she comes up with, with less regard for the popular focus than most others. I like this a lot, but would still like to see her open up a bit more and get more in-depth about these reads.
Her refusal to drop her suspicion against me, on the other hand, is starting to feel like a slight case of tunnel vision and the singularity of its focus does not go well with the openness of her other posts. But that's not entirely fair of me to say, as my style probably looks pretty bizarre to someone who's never played with me before and I'd never want anyone to give anyone a free pass in this game. Canucklehead is a tentative town read, but far from being anything better than that for now. I liked these two posts and would like to see more like them.

DREAM

I picked six because I'm my parents' sixth child.

That's a big family.

fingersplints

Sorry guys I haven't given this much attention yet. Pages behind but will be around later to catch up I hope

splints was very quiet early in the game. In her defense, I know she was playing in another game on RYM when this game started, and I have every reason to believe that that game was receiving more of her attention at the time. That doesn't clear her name at all, though.
This is her most substantial post so far. She offers a few reads that at least look good on the surface. Her point about Bass is one that I can actually get behind somewhat. I did not read the Bass post in question the same way, but I do see why fingersplints's concern would exist. Same can be said of her read on MP/Epi 2.0 in that post.

Other than that, she's recently come to the defense of Black Rock since her name started circulating around the thread.

Spoiler: show

I don't think BR is suspicious atm.

sorry submitted.

I reread her posts and I see she also is suspicious of Bass, so that has me feeling ok about her. It could be distancing or on other teams, but something about her thoughts feels genuine to me.

linki haha yea I love to suspect BR early! (like in Economics) but I don't see it this time

more linki posting anyways

splints, what do you make of that comment by epi. Does he have any reason you can think of to presume you wouldn't suspect BR early?

I assumed he was making a joke since I obviously went after BR pretty hard super early in the last game.

Probably shouldn't make assumptions with Epi though

Wasn't a joke. After I died, I didn't follow the last game much.

I raised a point about Black Rock, which is why I suspect her. I haven't heard from her (or anybody) about it.

I suspected BR that game before you died though. That's why I thought it was a joke. Anyways to answer your previous question then, yes I would and have been suspicious of BR early in a game.

I do not mind this, and BR is far from a sure thing, but I don't really like the "She's suspicious of the same person as me, therefore I trust her" line of reasoning in the first post. Other than that I think she's also expressed light support of Golden's recent point about Gamerguy and continued her suspicion of Bass. I'll be keeping an eye on splints, she's still a very neutral read to me.

[Cobalt]

Cobalt has been insanified

I just to that part. Sometimes, an insanifier is just the right thing, isn't it?

literally eat purple woman asshole

[G-Man]

I hope G-man is actually going to stop posting all those images. It's annoying as hell. I don't care if you lost a bet or whatever. You're not being a helpful participant.

Sorry I annoyed you. As I said, I was only having a little fun. I guess word of my picture posting for the entirety of Economics Mafia failed to get around much. There, I posted almost exclusively via pictures and memes for the entire game. In beginning my involvement in this game the same way, I was hoping to get a reaction along the lines of
"Oh Lord, not again! :P "

but instead I got "OMGWTFKNOCKITOFFANDPARTICIPATEORDIIIIIIIIIIIIE!!!!1! "

So yeah, not a great first impression but I like to think it's not entirely my fault. All of our decisions are choices. Many of our reactions are choices too.

I will try to go back and find the beginning of this kerfuffle between Long Con and Cobalt (unless someone wants to throw me a link). Anything else pressing that I might be able to bone up on without performing a full-on read of the thread?

Also, I wouldn't get your hopes up for me becoming Superawesomehelpful Guy anytime soon. As evidenced in Biblical Mafia, I tend to focus on vote analysis to track down baddies. This usually requires three to four days and the catching of a baddie for me to hammer out connections and other salient points. However, as evidenced in Economics Mafia, even when I get going, I'm not always correct.

Cobalt has been insanified

I just to that part. Sometimes, an insanifier is just the right thing, isn't it?

literally eat purple woman asshole

Oh man, it's been so long since I've seen an insanifier. A curse for the insanified but a blessing for everyone else!

[Black Rock]

So looking at the night kill attempt I would say Golden is more likely to be clean.

Cobalt seems to be hypnotized, but even so he still voted for LC which is consistent with the previous days. Can in theory the mafia target another mafia player from the same team to get hypnotized? If we think LC is innocent but Cobalt is scum that would be the best way to push an LC lynch by the mafia.

nijuukyugou pinged me with her first post and has posted minimum after that, however she says it is her playstyle and since no other players called her out on that I will assume it is true. After finding out a tie doesn't equal a no lynch she dropped on my suspect list. I think she is my only hard civ read right know.
LC sorry to be pestering you, but why is Sloonie scum?

Can someone refresh my mind with why people find Bass suspicious?

Black Rocks slip up and general posting vibes I'm getting would be enough for me to lynch them if I can't find anyone else.

MetalMarsh89 why are you lynching LC again?

Slip up?

[FZ.]

I hope G-man is actually going to stop posting all those images. It's annoying as hell. I don't care if you lost a bet or whatever. You're not being a helpful participant.

Sorry I annoyed you. As I said, I was only having a little fun. I guess word of my picture posting for the entirety of Economics Mafia failed to get around much. There, I posted almost exclusively via pictures and memes for the entire game. In beginning my involvement in this game the same way, I was hoping to get a reaction along the lines of
"Oh Lord, not again! :P "

but instead I got "OMGWTFKNOCKITOFFANDPARTICIPATEORDIIIIIIIIIIIIE!!!!1! "

So yeah, not a great first impression but I like to think it's not entirely my fault. All of our decisions are choices. Many of our reactions are choices too.

I will try to go back and find the beginning of this kerfuffle between Long Con and Cobalt (unless someone wants to throw me a link). Anything else pressing that I might be able to bone up on without performing a full-on read of the thread?

Also, I wouldn't get your hopes up for me becoming Superawesomehelpful Guy anytime soon. As evidenced in Biblical Mafia, I tend to focus on vote analysis to track down baddies. This usually requires three to four days and the catching of a baddie for me to hammer out connections and other salient points. However, as evidenced in Economics Mafia, even when I get going, I'm not always correct.

Cobalt has been insanified

I just to that part. Sometimes, an insanifier is just the right thing, isn't it?

literally eat purple woman asshole

Oh man, it's been so long since I've seen an insanifier. A curse for the insanified but a blessing for everyone else!

Okay, let's start over. Like I said, I don't mind the pictures, and I actually get not wanting to read 35 pages. I'm at the same place. But you said you had a life, therefore would not catch up. Yet it seems you spend much of your life making pictures. I think that's the part that bugged me most, not the actual pictures. Now that you say you just don't care, even though I'm saddened by that, I can accept it better. We'll see.

By the way, who were you in Biblical mafia?

[Cobalt]

Cobalt has been insanified

I just to that part. Sometimes, an insanifier is just the right thing, isn't it?

literally eat purple woman asshole

Oh man, it's been so long since I've seen an insanifier. A curse for the insanified but a blessing for everyone else!

honeytongued go fuck yourself

[Scotty]

Still at work but quick like:
What is/how exactly does an insanifier work? Does Dom scramble Cobalt or is he just playing like he got lobotomized?

Also, I'm liking what timmer has pointed to on his points, and I was going to reference a lot of those points on Tiny later today, but someone suggested that TB is bad with the contingency that LC is bad. I disagree- her posts have been few and far between, and bandwagon-y. She might even be on a different team entirely from LC
BUT
What if LC is actually civ? Why did the Into the Woods role description just appear? Was that after Golden got dead? It could be a possibility that LC used his role and is Into the Woods. Could that be a possibility? (As a definitive, hell no, but it makes sense to me why it was revealed then)

Where the hell is gumshoe? He's the most concerning besides sig and Tiny for me. All those monologues early on in Day 0 and Day 1, then poof.

Aight, gotta go

Linki- cobalt, do us all a favor and wipe after you flush next time.

[Cobalt]

Still at work but quick like:
What is/how exactly does an insanifier work? Does Dom scramble Cobalt or is he just playing like he got lobotomized?

Linki- cobalt, do us all a favor and wipe after you flush next time.

I wedded to scum what roarer want to write through a generator first.

you're a dick and I'm insane, not zanified! hate you.

[G-Man]

Okay, let's start over. Like I said, I don't mind the pictures, and I actually get not wanting to read 35 pages. I'm at the same place. But you said you had a life, therefore would not catch up. Yet it seems you spend much of your life making pictures. I think that's the part that bugged me most, not the actual pictures. Now that you say you just don't care, even though I'm saddened by that, I can accept it better. We'll see.

By the way, who were you in Biblical mafia?

The pictures take no time at all. I use ImgFlip for meme generation. I usually know exactly what I want the pic to be (animal, person, movie character) and it takes less than a minute to find it, throw in some words and slap it into the thread. I keep a tab open at work for this and I had one open for ImgFlip. I just hit refresh on the thread every 15 minutes or so and see if anything new happened.

I was Balaam of the Technicolor Vote Analysis (and owner of a might fine ass).

[FZ.]

Okay, let's start over. Like I said, I don't mind the pictures, and I actually get not wanting to read 35 pages. I'm at the same place. But you said you had a life, therefore would not catch up. Yet it seems you spend much of your life making pictures. I think that's the part that bugged me most, not the actual pictures. Now that you say you just don't care, even though I'm saddened by that, I can accept it better. We'll see.

By the way, who were you in Biblical mafia?

The pictures take no time at all. I use ImgFlip for meme generation. I usually know exactly what I want the pic to be (animal, person, movie character) and it takes less than a minute to find it, throw in some words and slap it into the thread. I keep a tab open at work for this and I had one open for ImgFlip. I just hit refresh on the thread every 15 minutes or so and see if anything new happened.

I was Balaam of the Technicolor Vote Analysis (and owner of a might fine ass).

You were Balam? okay then. I'm going to give you the BOTD just for that. I loved your post death posts
Now start working .



And can anyone please sum up the LC Cobalt duel? or at least point to a post that did that? Someone must have done something to make this easier

[timmer]

I thought he claimed it was fake and he only did it to see what will happen and not because it was true. Do you not believe him? It strikes me as genuine because what would he have to gain by info dumping that?

But look at what happened in the lynch. He had the most votes and did not die. Exactly how he said. That Long Con also did not die is a bit more ambivalent, I suppose.

But if Cobalt were lying, and did NOT have a lynch switch or some similar power, what are the odds that something else happened to cause the lynch to fail? IMO, he was telling the truth, realized too late that he had broken rules, tried to recover by passing it off as a joke or gambit to see who would bite, and now we've got a no-lynch.

It's not 100%, but there are a LOT of coincidences in play if he was making it all up.

[timmer]

And can anyone please sum up the LC Cobalt duel? or at least point to a post that did that? Someone must have done something to make this easier

Just click on Cobalt's posts and start form literally Day 0, he went after Long Con from minute 1.

[Neverwhere]

Apologies for wrecking the fun, but if you're going to play with new people you have to know that if you play an odd game you are going to be scrutinised.

I can tolerate your Bigsimpsin approach to the game, as it has become quite common on other forums it seems. Too bad you can't tolerate a little silliness instead of shrieking at it like an intruder.

For the record, I was not following the thread prior to being replaced and I have no intention of reading through what happened prior to my replacing of Gamer Guy.



I'm taking in what has happened since I joined the game and will proceed from there. I understand that some of you may not like this decision but know this:

to read 30+ pages of paranoia, angst, and bickering.

Uhhh ..... excuse me? o.0

[fingersplints]

Can someone refresh my mind with why people find Bass suspicious?

I suspect bass for the reasons listed here that he has yet to address.

Another question I'd like to ask the new people or whoever knows:

Who among the players knew each other from other sites? For example, does anyone know how Cobalt plays, or Tiny bubbles, Scotty etc'?

I have played with every player except Gumshoe, and idk if I ever played with Devin or not.

[G-Man]

Spoiler: show

Apologies for wrecking the fun, but if you're going to play with new people you have to know that if you play an odd game you are going to be scrutinised.

I can tolerate your Bigsimpsin approach to the game, as it has become quite common on other forums it seems. Too bad you can't tolerate a little silliness instead of shrieking at it like an intruder.

For the record, I was not following the thread prior to being replaced and I have no intention of reading through what happened prior to my replacing of Gamer Guy.



I'm taking in what has happened since I joined the game and will proceed from there. I understand that some of you may not like this decision but know this:

to read 30+ pages of paranoia, angst, and bickering.

Uhhh ..... excuse me? o.0

Sorry if that's getting misinterpreted. I was speaking in a plural sense since there were a few people harping on me over it.

[fingersplints]

And can anyone please sum up the LC Cobalt duel? or at least point to a post that did that? Someone must have done something to make this easier

Cobalt went after LC because in the last game on JTM LC was a baddie and fooled Cobalt badly. At some point the suspicion switched from jokingly to real. Someone else can probably sum it up better.

[fingersplints]

fingersplints

Sorry guys I haven't given this much attention yet. Pages behind but will be around later to catch up I hope

splints was very quiet early in the game. In her defense, I know she was playing in another game on RYM when this game started, and I have every reason to believe that that game was receiving more of her attention at the time. That doesn't clear her name at all, though.
This is her most substantial post so far. She offers a few reads that at least look good on the surface. Her point about Bass is one that I can actually get behind somewhat. I did not read the Bass post in question the same way, but I do see why fingersplints's concern would exist. Same can be said of her read on MP/Epi 2.0 in that post.

Other than that, she's recently come to the defense of Black Rock since her name started circulating around the thread.

Spoiler: show

I don't think BR is suspicious atm.

sorry submitted.

I reread her posts and I see she also is suspicious of Bass, so that has me feeling ok about her. It could be distancing or on other teams, but something about her thoughts feels genuine to me.

linki haha yea I love to suspect BR early! (like in Economics) but I don't see it this time

more linki posting anyways

splints, what do you make of that comment by epi. Does he have any reason you can think of to presume you wouldn't suspect BR early?

I assumed he was making a joke since I obviously went after BR pretty hard super early in the last game.

Probably shouldn't make assumptions with Epi though

Wasn't a joke. After I died, I didn't follow the last game much.

I raised a point about Black Rock, which is why I suspect her. I haven't heard from her (or anybody) about it.

I suspected BR that game before you died though. That's why I thought it was a joke. Anyways to answer your previous question then, yes I would and have been suspicious of BR early in a game.

I do not mind this, and BR is far from a sure thing, but I don't really like the "She's suspicious of the same person as me, therefore I trust her" line of reasoning in the first post. Other than that I think she's also expressed light support of Golden's recent point about Gamerguy and continued her suspicion of Bass. I'll be keeping an eye on splints, she's still a very neutral read to me.

It is actually more then her being suspicious of Bass as well, it's that her posts feel genuine to me. I've played with Black Rock quite a bit and I am just not seeing the suspicion of her the same way as everyone else is.

[Marmot]

Rules:
#2) No role outing. No info dumping. However, feel free to lie about any role descriptions, you might learn about.

i don't think we're allowed to discuss our roles.

You may not claim a specific role, no.

Is Cobalt actually breaking any rules?

I don't think so.

[Dom]

@DOM, can we change the thread title to Day 3 please?

Will do.

@Cobalt, I HATE the way you played Day 2.

Assuming things happened because of the reasons you said, let me list the reasons why.

1. If you are a civ, and Long Con was a civ an died, you'd have manipulated the game into burning your ability AND taken out a civ. Lose-lose.

2. If Long Con had died and was civ, we'd still have no way to know your alignment, thus you would have managed to kill a civ AND not actually bolstered your civ credentials at all.

3. You were blatant in saying how your role was going to work. I don't know if you realize this, but that broke one of Dom's rules pretty baldly, and often, when a player breaks rules, the host will provide the opposition with an extra power or some kind of ammo to counteract the unbalancing of the game that you caused. So, if you are indeed civ, you very likely handed the baddies something extra to balance out your rule break. In fact, it wouldn't shock me, if Long Con eventually flips bad, to fin out that he survived the lynch because Dom hd to balance your info dump.

4. Your play has forced the game to focus on you and Long Con. If you are civ, that's the dumbest possible move.

All of this to say, I think you've really mishandled this game, if you are a civ.

I want to say that what Cobalt has done has not been illegal becuaes of a stipulation I put in Rule #2: No role outing. No info dumping. However, feel free to lie about any role descriptions, you might learn about.

Coablt's discussion has been totally about role descriptions.... you can choose to believe or disbelieve him.

[Neverwhere]

Spoiler: show

Apologies for wrecking the fun, but if you're going to play with new people you have to know that if you play an odd game you are going to be scrutinised.

I can tolerate your Bigsimpsin approach to the game, as it has become quite common on other forums it seems. Too bad you can't tolerate a little silliness instead of shrieking at it like an intruder.

For the record, I was not following the thread prior to being replaced and I have no intention of reading through what happened prior to my replacing of Gamer Guy.



I'm taking in what has happened since I joined the game and will proceed from there. I understand that some of you may not like this decision but know this:

to read 30+ pages of paranoia, angst, and bickering.

Uhhh ..... excuse me? o.0

Sorry if that's getting misinterpreted. I was speaking in a plural sense since there were a few people harping on me over it.

It's cool. I posted that before I read your longer posts after it. Just the bit I highlighted in red seemed like you were singling me out as having no sense of humour and that as a newbie I wasn't welcome here. I now see that this was misinterpreted.

I actually did find your pic posts amusing at the start, and I totally get you not wanting to catch up on 35 pages of this game. I don't blame you -- I wouldn't either. I think it just irritated a couple of us because we've had so many pages of Colbat's crap and it's all starting to get a little overwhelming and stressful -- at least for me anyway.

In another situation I'd probably really enjoy more of your pic posts This has just been a frustrating game is all.

[Marmot]

I want to say that what Cobalt has done has not been illegal becuaes of a stipulation I put in Rule #2: No role outing. No info dumping. However, feel free to lie about any role descriptions, you might learn about.

Coablt's discussion has been totally about role descriptions.... you can choose to believe or disbelieve him.

Ninja'd.

[timmer]

Coablt's discussion has been totally about role descriptions.... you can choose to believe or disbelieve him.

You obviously have the final say on this, Dom, so I'll move along. I'll just say that I don't like his play, and that if he is a civ, his actions have more likely hurt than helped the cause, imo.

[Neverwhere]

@DOM, can we change the thread title to Day 3 please?

Will do.

@Cobalt, I HATE the way you played Day 2.

Assuming things happened because of the reasons you said, let me list the reasons why.

1. If you are a civ, and Long Con was a civ an died, you'd have manipulated the game into burning your ability AND taken out a civ. Lose-lose.

2. If Long Con had died and was civ, we'd still have no way to know your alignment, thus you would have managed to kill a civ AND not actually bolstered your civ credentials at all.

3. You were blatant in saying how your role was going to work. I don't know if you realize this, but that broke one of Dom's rules pretty baldly, and often, when a player breaks rules, the host will provide the opposition with an extra power or some kind of ammo to counteract the unbalancing of the game that you caused. So, if you are indeed civ, you very likely handed the baddies something extra to balance out your rule break. In fact, it wouldn't shock me, if Long Con eventually flips bad, to fin out that he survived the lynch because Dom hd to balance your info dump.

4. Your play has forced the game to focus on you and Long Con. If you are civ, that's the dumbest possible move.

All of this to say, I think you've really mishandled this game, if you are a civ.

I want to say that what Cobalt has done has not been illegal becuaes of a stipulation I put in Rule #2: No role outing. No info dumping. However, feel free to lie about any role descriptions, you might learn about.

Coablt's discussion has been totally about role descriptions.... you can choose to believe or disbelieve him.

Dom, are you actually from Mullingar?

[FZ.]

I thought he claimed it was fake and he only did it to see what will happen and not because it was true. Do you not believe him? It strikes me as genuine because what would he have to gain by info dumping that?

But look at what happened in the lynch. He had the most votes and did not die. Exactly how he said. That Long Con also did not die is a bit more ambivalent, I suppose.

But if Cobalt were lying, and did NOT have a lynch switch or some similar power, what are the odds that something else happened to cause the lynch to fail? IMO, he was telling the truth, realized too late that he had broken rules, tried to recover by passing it off as a joke or gambit to see who would bite, and now we've got a no-lynch.

It's not 100%, but there are a LOT of coincidences in play if he was making it all up.

I guess Dom just confirmed that he wasn't breaking the rules. What do you make of it now?



As for Cobalt and LC, who suspects who more strongly? Can you at least say that?

[Black Rock]

Gonna try to collect my thoughts on everyone, going down the list alphabetically.
Bass
I gave a fairly small read on Bass earlier here and he's fallen almost completely silence since then, which makes me feel less good about him. It seems his current suspects, according to his posts, are Cobalt and Black Rock. They're both popular targets and Bass hasn't done a whole lot to make his reads stand out against the others, so it could very easily be read as parroting, and I grow more and more wary of that the longer he stays quiet. I'd like to hear a read from Bass on someone that has not been discussed a whole lot.

birdwithteeth/FZ

birdwithteeth made three posts and none of them suggested a strong interest in the game and he backed this up by subbing out, so they're essentially null to me.
FZ is off to a good start.

Spoiler: show

Just finished reading day 0


I'm not going to give reasons, just going on my vibes. The people I felt were more civ like:
MP, Golden, Devin, Cobalt, Epi, Timmer.


People I felt pinged by:
LC, BR, the guy with the impossible name (I think people called him the gamer guy or something like that). Sig also got my attention, but I'm still on the fence whether his questions surrounding MP and Devin's interactions was genuine.

People that seem okay but there are moments:
Bass, Gumshoe, Scotty.

Thought I'd just give initial vibes. I'm sure things are bound to change when I keep reading.

I look forward to hearing more about these reads and seeing how they change once you've had more of a chance to get caught up FZ. I'm most interested in your reads of Scotty and Gamerguy mentioned here. Gamerguy because I've had a vague bad feeling about him all game as well, and Scotty because I've generally been leaning town on him. What stood out about him on Day 0?
He then questions G-Man's style (for the record, I was in the Economics game with him and he kept up the picture posts all game long and was town. I'm not going to dismiss him as a suspect just because of that, but there is precedent for this), and asked a question about LC and Cobalt, which I actually think would be useful right now if those two could answer it:

Before I continue to read back on day 1, can Cobalt and LC please sum up why they think the other is bad, and how strongly they feel about it, or at least point me to a post where they did that?

These two (mostly Cobalt) have been at each other's throats all game. It would be nice to know where they both stand on each other right now, on Day 3. If Cobalt can talk at all, that is.
Until FZ shares more thoughts, this combined read is pretty much null.

Black Rock
A good deal has been made about her already, and I've weighed in minimally here.
NOW I hope to add more thoughts with a reread, and this post looks like a good place to start:

Spoiler: show

If you have any sandwiches suggestions I am open. My staff might kill me if I make my menu any bigger though.

I am so sorry about my lack of communication day 1. I tried to post a couple of times. I forgot to press submit once and came back 12 hours later to see my post sitting there and then it got caught up in linkitis and then I failed. That's what I get for rushing about. My schedule is a lot more open for the next couple of weeks so I will have time for Mafia.

I would have likely voted for Cobalt in the lynch. I'm not used to his style but I find it hard to take his suspicions seriously. I hadn't really suspected SVS, if I had seen her self vote I would have suspected her less, I have seen her do that recently and it wasn't a baddie mood. I haven't read the whole lead up to lynch yet but if she self voted she was likely frustrated, that's a shame.

Bass seems more involved this game. I think somewhere back there he was pointing at SVS for style change while he himself seems to be going through a transition. I am putting him on my watch list.

I will say (and this is all I'm saying about LC at this time) he was telling the truth. We got our asses handed to us last night. The only time we didn't have 50 people lined up was when we closed. We had about 10 minutes of heavy downpour and they still stood in line.

I'm mostly going by memory of what I have read the past two days so if I got some things wrong I am sorry...

I think Golden brought up Hedgeowl and I do what to look more into what he was saying there and where it went from there. I will be looking more seriously at Cobalt and I will read LC. I also want to look an nutella and TH. nutella because some of her earlier day 1 posts seemed too agreeable and TH because.

She gives a number of reads here, which is good, but some things caught my eye. First, she mentions Golden bringing up Hedgeowl. But it was really Turnip Head who first went after Hedge, if my memory is correct. BR then says she wants to take a closer look at Turnip's posts. The fact that she misremembered such a crucial post from Turnup when professing to have a vague suspicion in him is a slight inconsistency that does not BR look great. But this is hardly a sure thing and I know how easy it can be to get names jumbled up like that, especially in the early going. The theory, though, is that if BR really was suspicious of TH then she would have been paying extra close attention to his first big casing post in the thread.
She also mentions Bass as a suspect because he's been "more involved", which is typically something I'd associate with town play, but that's just me and I don't know a whole lot about Bass's style yet. In her next post about Bass, BR points to one post of his and says he's "just trying to fit in", which doesn't really line up with the statement that he's been more involved, though it doesn't really exclude it from possibility either. They're just two thoughts that don't seem to coincide naturally with each other.

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I have some suspicion of Cobalt, he is new to me but he seems to be basing his LC suspicion on a different game and some things he says seem off.

I'm watching Bass as well.

Sorry everyone for not voting I got super drunk yesterday and forgot. I would have voted Cobalt he never addressed any of the points he made he commented on one thing I said and I think he was wrong about what he commented on, but I will have to go back and look to make sure.

Who would you say are the next scummiest players ever after Cobalt?

I just caught up, but when I was reading I kept getting this bad vibe from LC I want to go over all his post like I did with Cobalt and get a better read on him.

This post in particular seems like he's trying to fit in. Just didn't seem right.

Otherwise I have to take the time to go back and read, which I haven't done yet but I plan on doing that when the kids go to bed.

She seemed to do a pretty good job deciphering the Night 1 Book message, which is a point in her favor, but not a huge one because scum would have just as much incentive to do that as town.

Then she makes a post about Turnip Head, explaining that she meant to post it earlier. The read expressed in that post felt a bit fabricated to me either way (or, I could see it being a fabrication).

I might vote for TH this time. He didn't even give me a roll eyes, likely he doesn't want to get me charged up and wants to stay under the radar. Under the radar is exactly how I feel he is playing this game.

To this point she had only mentioned TH as a suspect that one time (from what I see, perhaps I missed something), and that was hardly a strong suspicion. I don't see why it would have demanded a response from TH and this post feels a bit opportunistic to me.

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I'm voting Bass now. I am certain he is bad.

I am tired and cranky and will not be posting anymore tonight. If you are certain I am bad then vote for me. It makes sense right? I will post how I wish, maybe I'm just a big flake and horrible at this game.

Epignosis, I find it very odd how your opinions haven't changed since you have a new role and you have completely switched gears. Bass your teammate?

linki: That's good Golden. If your civ your wrong, if you aren't then you don't care.

BR you were recently teammates with Bass in the Econ game. What are you seeing here that makes you certain he's bad?

I can't even have an opinion about that game and who played what. I was swamped with posts and had no idea what was going on. We hardly communicated in BTSC and when I died I stopped following. If you have an open mind just read his posts. He is literally following the leader and he even followed the leader with Golden after I had expressed suspicion on him.

BR's suspicions continue to make me suspicious of her. She's "certain" about Bass now. The progression of her read against Bass has not felt nearly as strong as the language she's using here would indicate, and the point about her and Bass having just been scum partners in the Economics game is a perfectly valid one (that I was also hoping they could both address) that she entirely shrugs off here (though, again, I do not doubt that her answer could be a legitimate one. That game was hectic).
I may not be as suspicious of BR as this post indicates, but these are all points I'm considering about her and I'd like to hear a response. I'm particularly interested in hearing more of an explanation of your reads on Bass and Turnip, BR.

posting this now before it gets too huge.

Concerning Bass and TH. Most of my TH banter is mostly history between TH and I. I always Suspect him. I haven't necessarily suspected him yet this game but I like to throw his name around to gauge a reaction. When you are asking me about Bass have you taken the time to read his posts. Particularly when he does and doesn't mention LC and the context. If you notice he asks Epig a few questions abput LC on day 0 and doesn't again bring him up until night 1. Then he comes in and gives some vague suspicion about vibes and doesn't follow through on anything. From there it only gets worse. His thoughts are the threads thoughts. He's hiding behind everyone elses ideas.

The more I read his posts the more certain I am.

[Neverwhere]

I'm curious to see how more people are going to vote. For now, I am happy with my Bubbles vote but we've got a lot of votes spread out so far. I actually can't keep track of all the people who have survived in the game this far either by not being lynched or resurected from the dead. I'm a little anxious to lynch someone and see where people allegiances lie. I think if we can catch a baddie we might end up being able to easily weed out team mates.

[G-Man]

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Apologies for wrecking the fun, but if you're going to play with new people you have to know that if you play an odd game you are going to be scrutinised.

I can tolerate your Bigsimpsin approach to the game, as it has become quite common on other forums it seems. Too bad you can't tolerate a little silliness instead of shrieking at it like an intruder.

For the record, I was not following the thread prior to being replaced and I have no intention of reading through what happened prior to my replacing of Gamer Guy.



I'm taking in what has happened since I joined the game and will proceed from there. I understand that some of you may not like this decision but know this:

to read 30+ pages of paranoia, angst, and bickering.

Uhhh ..... excuse me? o.0

Sorry if that's getting misinterpreted. I was speaking in a plural sense since there were a few people harping on me over it.

It's cool. I posted that before I read your longer posts after it. Just the bit I highlighted in red seemed like you were singling me out as having no sense of humour and that as a newbie I wasn't welcome here. I now see that this was misinterpreted.

I actually did find your pic posts amusing at the start, and I totally get you not wanting to catch up on 35 pages of this game. I don't blame you -- I wouldn't either. I think it just irritated a couple of us because we've had so many pages of Colbat's crap and it's all starting to get a little overwhelming and stressful -- at least for me anyway.

In another situation I'd probably really enjoy more of your pic posts This has just been a frustrating game is all.

Oh gosh! I didn't realize you were new. I can totally see how that could seem rude then. I'm fairly new to The Syndicate (this is my 4th game here) but I played with some of these crazy characters elsewhere over the years.

And now that you mention it, yeah, I can see how patience could be at a premium if you guys already had to wade through some yucky hostility and drama already. My bad!

[FZ.]

I'm going to bed. I need to get better. I'm at home tomorrow as well, so I'll try to do more catching up.
Meanwhile, G-man (it feels more natural to call you Balaam), you continue to avoid getting into things. I hope this changes by the time I come back tomorrow

[Black Rock]

fingersplints

Sorry guys I haven't given this much attention yet. Pages behind but will be around later to catch up I hope

splints was very quiet early in the game. In her defense, I know she was playing in another game on RYM when this game started, and I have every reason to believe that that game was receiving more of her attention at the time. That doesn't clear her name at all, though.
This is her most substantial post so far. She offers a few reads that at least look good on the surface. Her point about Bass is one that I can actually get behind somewhat. I did not read the Bass post in question the same way, but I do see why fingersplints's concern would exist. Same can be said of her read on MP/Epi 2.0 in that post.

Other than that, she's recently come to the defense of Black Rock since her name started circulating around the thread.

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I don't think BR is suspicious atm.

sorry submitted.

I reread her posts and I see she also is suspicious of Bass, so that has me feeling ok about her. It could be distancing or on other teams, but something about her thoughts feels genuine to me.

linki haha yea I love to suspect BR early! (like in Economics) but I don't see it this time

more linki posting anyways

splints, what do you make of that comment by epi. Does he have any reason you can think of to presume you wouldn't suspect BR early?

I assumed he was making a joke since I obviously went after BR pretty hard super early in the last game.

Probably shouldn't make assumptions with Epi though

Wasn't a joke. After I died, I didn't follow the last game much.

I raised a point about Black Rock, which is why I suspect her. I haven't heard from her (or anybody) about it.

I suspected BR that game before you died though. That's why I thought it was a joke. Anyways to answer your previous question then, yes I would and have been suspicious of BR early in a game.

I do not mind this, and BR is far from a sure thing, but I don't really like the "She's suspicious of the same person as me, therefore I trust her" line of reasoning in the first post. Other than that I think she's also expressed light support of Golden's recent point about Gamerguy and continued her suspicion of Bass. I'll be keeping an eye on splints, she's still a very neutral read to me.

It is actually more then her being suspicious of Bass as well, it's that her posts feel genuine to me. I've played with Black Rock quite a bit and I am just not seeing the suspicion of her the same way as everyone else is.

Thank you Splints, it's nice to see someone isn't falling for this case that is basically picking apart my posts and building on semantics.

[Neverwhere]

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Apologies for wrecking the fun, but if you're going to play with new people you have to know that if you play an odd game you are going to be scrutinised.

I can tolerate your Bigsimpsin approach to the game, as it has become quite common on other forums it seems. Too bad you can't tolerate a little silliness instead of shrieking at it like an intruder.

For the record, I was not following the thread prior to being replaced and I have no intention of reading through what happened prior to my replacing of Gamer Guy.



I'm taking in what has happened since I joined the game and will proceed from there. I understand that some of you may not like this decision but know this:

to read 30+ pages of paranoia, angst, and bickering.

Uhhh ..... excuse me? o.0

Sorry if that's getting misinterpreted. I was speaking in a plural sense since there were a few people harping on me over it.

It's cool. I posted that before I read your longer posts after it. Just the bit I highlighted in red seemed like you were singling me out as having no sense of humour and that as a newbie I wasn't welcome here. I now see that this was misinterpreted.

I actually did find your pic posts amusing at the start, and I totally get you not wanting to catch up on 35 pages of this game. I don't blame you -- I wouldn't either. I think it just irritated a couple of us because we've had so many pages of Colbat's crap and it's all starting to get a little overwhelming and stressful -- at least for me anyway.

In another situation I'd probably really enjoy more of your pic posts This has just been a frustrating game is all.

Oh gosh! I didn't realize you were new. I can totally see how that could seem rude then. I'm fairly new to The Syndicate (this is my 4th game here) but I played with some of these crazy characters elsewhere over the years.

And now that you mention it, yeah, I can see how patience could be at a premium if you guys already had to wade through some yucky hostility and drama already. My bad!

Nahhh it's totally cool. I do appreciate a bit of goofiness and silliness I think it's been lacking in this game. Hopefully we'll catch a baddie soon and have some time to rejoice. :P

[timmer]

@FZ, yeah Dom's clarification certainly helps a bit, but it doesn't take away from Cobalt's play overall.

I put a placeholder vote on Black Rock for now. I am likely to move it to Bubbles in the end, I just want to let the day flesh out a bit and see what some people say.

[Marmot]

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 has replaced Metalmarsh89. As a result, Metalmarsh89 cannot be lynched today.

[Sloonei]

fingersplints

Sorry guys I haven't given this much attention yet. Pages behind but will be around later to catch up I hope

splints was very quiet early in the game. In her defense, I know she was playing in another game on RYM when this game started, and I have every reason to believe that that game was receiving more of her attention at the time. That doesn't clear her name at all, though.
This is her most substantial post so far. She offers a few reads that at least look good on the surface. Her point about Bass is one that I can actually get behind somewhat. I did not read the Bass post in question the same way, but I do see why fingersplints's concern would exist. Same can be said of her read on MP/Epi 2.0 in that post.

Other than that, she's recently come to the defense of Black Rock since her name started circulating around the thread.

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I don't think BR is suspicious atm.

sorry submitted.

I reread her posts and I see she also is suspicious of Bass, so that has me feeling ok about her. It could be distancing or on other teams, but something about her thoughts feels genuine to me.

linki haha yea I love to suspect BR early! (like in Economics) but I don't see it this time

more linki posting anyways

splints, what do you make of that comment by epi. Does he have any reason you can think of to presume you wouldn't suspect BR early?

I assumed he was making a joke since I obviously went after BR pretty hard super early in the last game.

Probably shouldn't make assumptions with Epi though

Wasn't a joke. After I died, I didn't follow the last game much.

I raised a point about Black Rock, which is why I suspect her. I haven't heard from her (or anybody) about it.

I suspected BR that game before you died though. That's why I thought it was a joke. Anyways to answer your previous question then, yes I would and have been suspicious of BR early in a game.

I do not mind this, and BR is far from a sure thing, but I don't really like the "She's suspicious of the same person as me, therefore I trust her" line of reasoning in the first post. Other than that I think she's also expressed light support of Golden's recent point about Gamerguy and continued her suspicion of Bass. I'll be keeping an eye on splints, she's still a very neutral read to me.

It is actually more then her being suspicious of Bass as well, it's that her posts feel genuine to me. I've played with Black Rock quite a bit and I am just not seeing the suspicion of her the same way as everyone else is.

Thank you Splints, it's nice to see someone isn't falling for this case that is basically picking apart my posts and building on semantics.

to be fair, "picking apart posts and building on semantics" is a very common way to scumhunt where i come from. we do it all the time and it's been successful in the past.

[Sloonei]

that said, as things stand right now i won't be voting for Black Rock. She's a suspect, but not a top one. i like my vote on sig but it's not final. it may stay there, it may not. i wore myself out with those couple of big posts earlier, but i'll return to them later.
I'm growing increasingly suspicion of gamer-man.

[Golden]

Cobalt seems to be hypnotized, but even so he still voted for LC which is consistent with the previous days.

Apologies if this has already been said, but in my experience around these parts, insanification does not mean hypnotised (so I would guess cobalt is still in full control of his vote).

[Golden]

Some quick notes about style

Sloonei comes from a mafia culture where the norm is for everyone to ask questions and start voting from the very start of the day (unchangeable votes are not something he is very used to). I find it hard to find him suspicious for playing the game the same way he always plays it. (Although, I do think Canuck picks up a good point about the possibility it can be manipulated - but I'd think that the host would be less likely to both have changeable polls and that mechanic, since the two sort of work at odds with each other in terms of encouraging people to play with changeable polls to the best extent they can).

G-Man likes to post in pictures, and in economics he claimed it took him no extra time (and there was pretty good evidence for tat). As people have said, in Economics he kept it up all game, for something like 300 posts, and it was awesome. Even if he is bad, I won't be taking into account his choice to post in pictures.

[Golden]

@FZ, yeah Dom's clarification certainly helps a bit, but it doesn't take away from Cobalt's play overall.

Timmer, I thought your analysis for Cobalt that explained why he played day two poorly (if civ) was right on point. I think Cobalt already understood that he fracked up, but there are newer people here and it's worth stepping through for everyone why Cobalt's play is unhelpful.

And that's setting aside the fact that there was general hostility going on as well.

[Golden]

Also, I'm beginning to buy the TB/LC theory, or even a TB/LC/G-Man, this is mafia 1 theory - taking into account my various thoughts around the meaning of any killing of epi on night 1. I haven't really seen LC as suspicious on his own merit, but certain things are beginning to add up for me.

[Sloonei]

are we allowed to lynch g-man today? i think i want to lynch g-man today?

[timmer]

Re: G-Man, I don't care if the guy wants to post in pics the entire game, any annoyance or stress that comes from such a technique will be felt only by him, so he can have at 'er as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not sure that I like the fact that he has admitted to not planning to read back through the game. I can understand if someone said they were going to sort of skim through a game, or something like that, but he's kind of had an air of disdain about the prospect which, combined with the meta-case against Gamer Guy regarding deadies subbing in may put G-Man is an awkward light. My point is, I don't plan to vote G-Man today, but if others do I will sort of understand. It's only halfway through Day 3. It's not that hard to skim back and catch the flavour of the game to this point. Not wanting to feels indy/bad more than civ.

[nutella]

Cobalt has been insanified

I just to that part. Sometimes, an insanifier is just the right thing, isn't it?

literally eat purple woman asshole

oh my god

(For those of you who aren't familiar, LC made the insanifier years ago. It's a generator into which you plug in your post and it randomly changes words to various words from a database, which include silly references to previous games and players from other sites and times. )


I have to say I'm kinda confused about Dom's rule and why he's implementing it this way. Almost all of the role names are blank slates to us at this point, we don't know how to connect a role name with an ability. So wouldn't it be a better rule to prohibit claiming a particular ability rather than/in addition to prohibiting claiming a particular role? Honestly I think it's just as harmful to do what Cobalt did and it should be against the rules.


linki: I agree with Timmer -- seriously pretty much everyone who's replaced into this game has stated that they're too lazy to even skim to catch up and keep asking for summaries. If you're going to replace into a game it is your responsibility to read and know what is going on to the best of your ability. If you're not going to do that, don't commit to playing or you're no better than the person you replaced.

[Long Con]

Before I continue to read back on day 1, can Cobalt and LC please sum up why they think the other is bad, and how strongly they feel about it, or at least point me to a post where they did that?

I haven't had any particular case against Cobalt, all I've really been able to do is react to his vendetta against me. I think it's reasonable to believe that he's a Civ with his own motivations in mind, but I sure as hell was not against his lynch. I want to win the game, and if I can't support the lynch of someone who won't rest until I'm dead... that's not a challenge I particularly need in front of me when I'm trying to, like, play Mafia. He also could be bad and pursuing the vendetta for similar singular reasons. One way to look at it is whether you believe that the night 1 Epi kill was a frame-up or a pseudo-tricky-frame-up - did Cobalt kill Epi to shut him up, or did someone do it to frame a Civ Cobalt?

Now that I think about it, Cobalt seems like the kind of player who would straight-up kill someone who was coming after him, rather than resort to double-thinking misdirection... just based on how he's dealing with me, and with his (supposed) power. So, to answer your question, that's the only reason I suspect Cobalt - I think he would have killed Epi. It's only a mild suspicion, and most of my support for his lynch should be considered as me wanting a threat to myself out of the game.

Long Con says this recently today. Long Con has not mentioned or interacted with TinyBubbles all game. However, he suddenly states he's seeing her as fishy, but convinces himself otherwise all in the same post.

Trimmed it, but MM's comment about Tiny and LC makes some sense. Tiny has pretty much no input into this game, but managed to defend LC AND jump on my initial Cobalt vote which had been, at the time, based on an erroneous read of his post history. And Long Con managed to pseudo-suspect Tiny without committing to it in a meaningful way. Very interesting read, MM.

What exactly is wrong with my post about Tiny? As I recall, I was posting and thinking at the same time, and my opinion shifted as I went through. It was typed as I thought, with some pauses and brb's as I was doing it, but I left it "as-is" because it represented my real thought process at the time.

Why are you (or anyone) suspicious of my post?

So in your mind, does bad TB = bad LC? Or is there a world in which only one of the two is bad?

As I'm reading through, I'm indeed feeling like both may be bad. I'd say it is much more likely both are baddie teamies than that one is bad and glomming onto a civ.

The lynch was going to Cobalt, who was saying Long Con would die, and then Tiny shows up after not posting much content and votes for Long Con. Then Long Con posts a rainbow post listing his colour coded thoughts on players. He lists Tiny at the top of the suspect list. As of where I'm at with my reading, that seems a bit odd. Like seriously, even above Cobalt? This after Long Con clearly, I think, knew he would Not be lynched. The whole thing smells.

Also in Tiny's corner is the way she(?) glommed onto my Cobalt vote. Her post about it said she agreed with my reasoning, but as it turned out, I was completely backwards, and if Tiny had actually read any posts she'd have caught my mistake. Thus, I feel like she just jumped on a bandwagon, baddie-style.

This talk about me "clearly knowing" that I would not be lynched is just wrong, because I didn't. And if I DID know, and I wanted to keep it secret, then I wouldn't post like I knew. Which I didn't.

I just read Cobalt's epic meltdown. Cobalt, I'll reiterate here one more time... have you ever considered that LC survived because you broke the rules? I don't know why others haven't brought this up (yet in my read) as a possibility. I know I've been a host on other sites and had to hand certain players or teams extra powers to balance a blatant rule break.

And I remember when I info dumped my lunch up all over the Computer Lab game that the host had said she had "contingency plans" in place. Like dude, Long Con may only have survived because you broke the fucking rules. I personally cannot even be sure if Long Con had a lynch save power at all.

I hadn't considered that possibility... I don't recall knowing about such things being commonplace at all. I can't remember a specific instance of a game I was in that I knew a host had added a power to balance rule-breaking. And on continued catch-up, it wasn't a rule-break at all.

Cobalt has been insanified

I just to that part. Sometimes, an insanifier is just the right thing, isn't it?

literally eat purple woman asshole

oh my god

I know, right? Ok, finally caught up, and posting.

[Sloonei]

would you be willing to put a preliminary vote on anyone right now, Long Con?

[Long Con]

I have a few minutes left before I leave for a few hours, so I'll talk some more. I remember some questions were asked about my rainbow list that I kind of ignored at the time because I figured I was dead... and then after I wasn't dead it never really came up again. I had DFaraday and Turnip Head on the Civ side of the list, as I recall. Both of them are gut reads based on their posts and the things they focus on. I'd have to do a reread to really be more specific, but I don't need to be thrusting Civs out into the spotlight if I'm right. I just remember chuckling at their surprise at being where they were on the list. I do want to go back and see it again, actually. Later tonight, perhaps. Maybe I can update my rainbow list. Sig, neverwhere, Sloonei, Golden, TinyBubbles, Bass... those guys and gals are going to be showing up closer to the red end of the list.

I'll put a preliminary vote on Sloonei.

[Sloonei]

I await your reasoning, whenever you can get around to it.

[Golden]

I'm not sure why people get on G-Man for saying he doesn't intend to read back. He could have just lied about it, and made excuses about not having had time yet etc. I'll rarely find someone suspicious for being bluntly honest about something they know could make them look bad.

[Sloonei]

My desire to vote for G-man stems more from gamerguy's posts than anything the G-man has done himself, which is unfortunate for him.

[Black Rock]

I had to go back and find a reason why you would put a "placeholder" vote on me.

I'm getting very intrigued by the opinions on Black Rock. I can see both sides of the argument, to an extent. Black Rock is, I think, being completely honest when she says that her early game here reads exactly like her early game always does. So from that perspective, I can get why she is trying to suggest that there is nothing abnormal about her output.

But there is an important fact that she isn't (understandably) dwelling on; her early game doesn't indicate alignment. So she's defending her early posts in the game as "normal Black Rock" and pseudo-suggesting that it is a civ thing, when in reality it is alignment-neutral for her. She ALWAYS sounds like this. But she isn't saying that part.

But also, Epig's point about BR's post that was lost in linkitis is also very telling (I'm posting as I read, so I have yet to see a proper reply from her). When you leave a window open, and then try to hit post hours later, you should get at a minimum a "here is the posts that have been posting while you were typing" or whatever it is, page. There is something odd about the whole situation.

Is this the reason why?

The reason the post wasn't submitted was after 24 hours sitting in linkitis my internet crapped out and I lost the post. Otherwise, like you said it is my early game and if that's how you feel you should be more on the fence. Do I have it all wrong here?