[ENDGAME] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

[Sloonei]

Jay! Call the last two members of each team GTH. Go!

(Possible NK'd members included).

Lloyd Webber:
Nijuu
neverwhere

Wildhorn:
MP/epi
Devin/Gumshoe/maybe daisy but i don't think so

[Sloonei]

That's a not-fully-refreshed set of GTH reads, for the record.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wildhorn:
Spacedaisy
JaggedJimmyJay

Webber:
Gumshoe
nutella

I know they're gut reads, but you should attempt to explain your misgivings about SD, Gumshoe, and myself. nutella too if you like, though she's already being discussed by many others.

[Sloonei]

DFaraday is in this game. I need to keep that in mind.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who do you suppose fingersplints is?

I would be afeared if there were that many inactives out there in mafia.

I decided to be bold and call splints a town read in my rainbow. I don't think there's a strong evidential basis for that, so it's just a behavioral judgment. I like the way she has responded to numerous accusations in recent phases and she seems to be conveying a good mindset for how her position as a potential lynchee might be a tool for mafia manipulation right now.

[Sloonei]

i can see my home page!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei, it'd be groovy if you could tell me your thoughts on my DFaraday ISO/case. You don't have to be all multi-quotey about it on your phone, just a basic statement of your perspective.

[Marmot]

Tell me if you agree Jay.

Night 8, nobody died. According to the flavor, nobody even surived a nightkill. I believe this is because mafia was straight inactive that night. I looked back, and DFaraday did post on Night 8, so the possibility of him forgetting to submit his night action is slim.

But mafia did nightkill last night. I think that is especially incriminating against Spacedaisy, because she subbed in on Day 10. Also, the nightkill doesn't seem the most thoughtful of nightkills in my eyes. Canucklehead has not been the most active of players.

I just checked, and realized that you subbed in on Day 6, definitely discounting that you fit on Team Wildhorn. I am a bit wary about you (as I always am it seems), but you clearly don't fit into my theory.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I realize I just GTH read Epignosis as town in my rainbow but I don't really know why. I'm going to make him/MP my top priority for being the next examinee.

[Marmot]

I realize I just GTH read Epignosis as town in my rainbow but I don't really know why. I'm going to make him/MP my top priority for being the next examinee.

I'll be honest, I've forgotten about Epignosis. I'd still bet you he's not on Team Wildhorn though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tell me if you agree Jay.

Night 8, nobody died. According to the flavor, nobody even surived a nightkill. I believe this is because mafia was straight inactive that night. I looked back, and DFaraday did post on Night 8, so the possibility of him forgetting to submit his night action is slim.

But mafia did nightkill last night. I think that is especially incriminating against Spacedaisy, because she subbed in on Day 10. Also, the nightkill doesn't seem the most thoughtful of nightkills in my eyes. Canucklehead has not been the most active of players.

I just checked, and realized that you subbed in on Day 6, definitely discounting that you fit on Team Wildhorn. I am a bit wary about you (as I always am it seems), but you clearly don't fit into my theory.

This is the night Scotty survived a spreadsheed mistake by Dom, right? Can you explain what you mean when you assert the flavor indicates no kill attempt? You seem to have a much better grip on the flavor side of this game than I do.

[Sloonei]

my laptop had started up but when i picked it up to move to my desk, it restarted and the process has begun again

[Marmot]

Lights up on a pub. Enter EPGINOSIS. He sits on a stool.

EPIGNOSIS: Barkeep?

Silence.

EPIGNOSIS: ...Hello?

Enter and exit multiple members of the ENSEMBLE

The lighting fixture above Epignosis sways, sways, and snaps, killing Epignosis.

Night 1, Epignosis is killed by a crashing chandelier, fitting with the Phantom of the Opera

GOLDEN: Well... okay...

LIGHTS ON Blood Stained 1920's Car SL

GOLDEN: A car?

GOLDEN goes to fix the car. OPENING the hood, it is boobie trapped and he is shot in the chest.


Golden has died.

Night 2, Golden was nightkilled fixing a car. This fits with a Bonnie & Clyde scene. It turned out Golden survived the kill.

Sloonei: Who is that guy? (aside)

SLOONEI sits on the floor. Silence. A pair of roller-skates with blades on them whiz by, only to just miss. ENTER two HOODED FIGURES. They shake hands, and ascend out.

SLOONEI exits SR.

Night 3, Sloonei survives a kill from roller skates. Starlight Express

No one has been killed.

Night 4, straight up nothing happens.

A CHANDELIER FALLS ONTO FZ'S HEAD.

EXIT SINGERS.

ENTER BASS_THE_CLEVER

BASS sits on the apron of the stage CS.

ENTER CLYDE.

CLYDE: BANG BANG You're DEAD!

BASS falls off the apron, but survives the fall.

BASS: The show must go on...

EXIT all.

Night 5, FZ. is nightkilled by Phantom of the Opera. Bass survives a mysterious kill from Bonnie & Clyde.

SLOONEI TAKES CS
BONNIE SLAMS A CAR INTO HIM FROM SR

EXIT

Sloonei has been killed.

Night 6, Sloonei killed by Bonnie & Clyde.

ENTER TIMMER and SINGER

TIMMER: Why are you following me?

SINGER FOLLOWS HIM ONSTAGE

TIMMER RUNS UNTIL HE TRIPS OVER A ROPE ON THE STAGE, IT CATCHES HIS FOOT, HANGING HIM FROM A CHANDELIER.

Night 7, Timmer is nightkilled by Phantom of the Opera.

ENTER ENSEMBLE, DRESSED IN FUNERAL GARB. ONE BY ONE THEY DROP A FLOWER BEHIND A PLATFORM ON STAGE.

EPIGNOSIS: Man... it's a shame.

SVS: Scotty was a good man...

Night 8, Mysterious death of Scotty, though he actually survived.

SCOTTY: Oh.. wow.. that's... clich-

A CHANDELIER FALLS ON SCOTTY'S HEAD

THE SINGER RUNS OFF, WORRIED, SCARED, AND CONFUSED.

Night 9, Scotty is nightkilled by Phantom of the Opera.

ENTER CANUCK. SHE SITS CS. ENTER HOODED FIGURE. CANUCK HIDES FROM HOODED FIGURE.

HOODED FIGURE TOUCHES THE GROUND, TRAP DOOR OPENS, AND SLOONEI RISES.

BOTH EXIT.


CANUCK: What in the wo--

GUNSHOT.
CANUCK IS DEAD.

Night 10, Sloonei is rezzed, and Canucklehead is nightkilled. The flavor is different, but it appears that Bonnie & Clyde nightkilled Canucklehead.

[Marmot]

That's a list of how all the nightkills happened, and my interpretations of them.

[Marmot]

EBWOP: That's a list of how all the nightkills *that* happened, and my interpretations of them.

[Marmot]

I switched my vote to Spacedaisy.

[Sloonei]

A number of people including me have expressed some vague misgivings about DFaraday. So I'll look into him now.

Spoiler: show

My pm mentioned Sondheim, Brown, Schwartz, and Hammerstein together. It also repeated "lyricist" and "3/4" over and over. I think it may be Schwartz's role and I don't think he's a threat to us but I obviously can't be certain.

Lyricist could apply to any of those names. And 3/4 is a time signature indicative of a waltz. Mine was something about "revived" and "most overrated". I hope that's not a shot at The King and I.

I do think it was odd that Hedge brought up bandwagons for no particular reason. I think it could be to preemptively establish herself as looking better if one player does take a lot of votes, while also not really committing to anything herself.

Epi is reading as standard throw-everything-at-the-wall Epi to me, and LC hasn't done anything to ping me either. I don't agree with Epi that LC was using inflammatory language or trying to avoid offering his thoughts. He's done quite a lot of offering that I can see.

SVS is also on my radar for how strongly she reacted to the "interesting" thing. I doubt anyone will get lynched because they used an empty term like "interesting" or such, so her reaction towards Epi seemed misplaced.

This guy seems like a pretty no-nonsense type player. Almost every single one of his posts are directly relevant to game discussion. That's just an observation, it doesn't mean anything. Anyway, I highlight his third post here because it exemplifies that: he entered Day 1 with some immediate thoughts to share. The good thing here is that he took some real stances and made decently specific observations. This indicates to me that he was paying close attention to the content of other players more than to his own content: the mark of a townie. The only negative point to be made is that the four people he chose to comment on were perhaps the 4 most often discussed in the game to that point. His originality can be questioned.

I think I had this exact same point in my early ISO of him around Day 4, whenever I was silenced.

Spoiler: show

Responses in magenta, because I like magenta.

What are your thoughts on the possibility of LC and Cobalt dominating the discussion? Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Do they deserve to be the centers of attention? What makes you think Cobalt is more bad than LC?
As always, any reads on anyone else that you might have would be handy as well.
I think this kill could have been Cobalt trying to frame LC while setting himself up as the victim, and also I find his last minute vote switch to SVS very shady. I do think we need to get to the bottom of this feud or else it will continue to upstage everything else (pun intended). Not to say they have to be our only focus, but no matter what LC/Cobalt will be a major talking point for the time being.

The night kill of Epignosis 1.0 seemed to be a hot topic on Day 2, probably because of Epi's small handful of significant suspicions and the implications associated with him in his death. DFaraday suggested it might have been an intentional frame job perpetrated by Cobalt to smear Long Con. This turned out to be exactly the opposite of the truth, but DF wasn't alone in that perspective. Faraday: I'd ask you if you could revisit your mindset from this early stage and explain why you felt it was Cobalt doing the framing rather than Cobalt being framed?

Spoiler: show

Day 1:

And i'm a good guy AGAIN for the third time in a row!

I wouldn't really question that if you hadn't mentioned it...

Let's all pretend none of Cobalt, SVS, or Long Con are available to be lynched today. Who do we all vote for then?

*Whom

TB is on my radar with her eagerness to let us know she's a civ. Apparently she's done this before, but it's still pingy to me.

But for now I think I'm going to *vote SVS*. I know she definitely could manipulate voters' sentiments if she wanted to, and I think that could have happened as early as the comments about Epi's "interesting" speech.

Day 2:

Responses in magenta, because I like magenta.

Has anything changed about your feelings toward TinyBubbles?
I guess I feel slightly better, since that one comment is the only ping I've gotten from her.

Who is your top suspect right now, DFaraday? would you be willing to put an early vote on anyone right now?

I suppose still Cobalt, although his over-the-top reaction to LC surviving did seem pretty sincere. Were I to do a rainbow list, the next highest people would be TB, Hedge, and Gamer Guy (now G-Man). I think Golden may have been on to something with his find, but i agree with MM that it's not really in the spirit of Mafia to use other threads for info.

Day 3:

I've fallen behind over the last day, I need to catch up. Going off of my cursory glance so far, I'm thinking Golden/LC is civ/civ. Golden, at least, is pretty unlikely to be on one of the baddie teams.

For now I'll put my vote back on TB, since I know I'm not actually going to vote for Cobalt today.

And also, I agree with Nutella that not reading the thread and not making cases are two different things. One is lazy, one can be lazy or a strategy.

I'm not sure why I said "back" on TB, since I hadn't voted her to begin with. I need coffee.

EBWOP: Because I've already found her suspicious, and I haven't yet caught up on the Sig/LC/Golden stuff going on.

One thing that interested me about DFaraday in the first half of his ISO is this progression in his read of TinyBubbles. We know now due to her Day 6 lynch that Bubbles was town, so it's especially important to verify the thought processes people displayed in this thread leading to her lynch to determine whether they were sincerely suspicious of her. I think there is some decently suspicious content here for Faraday. He played with a decent degree of thoroughness early in the game, so that he went for this Bubbles case and placed that vote on Day 3 is troubling -- especially because this was the phase in which sig was lynched. When Faraday placed his vote for Bubbles, it placed Bubbles in a 4-2 lead over sig (before the landslide eventually swept sig away). That's a pretty bad look.

Here I would have to ask why you are so confident that TinyBubbles was town. I have had a lingering doubt in the back of my mind while on the sidelines about TinyBubbles being Jekyll & Hyde. I did end up feeling like there was a lot of questionable behavior in her posts, and the role description appeared in the OP shortly after her death, from what I remember. It's not too certain, but it's enough to plant seeds of doubt in my mind. I think I saw this discussed in a few places while I was gone, but I am not sure what anyone's general stance is right now. What do people think about the Jekyll & Hyde role?

It can be forgiven if his case against Bubbles is significant enough to warrant his vote... but I don't see it. In fact -- there isn't a case at all. The only distinct negative comment Faraday made about Bubbles' content in this game was that very minor Day 1 "ping" at the top of this quote pile. Otherwise, the only things he says about her are either positive, or negative without any reason given. So, in a phase in which a mafia was eventually lynched, Faraday gave a confirmed townie a 4-2 tally lead over that mafia player without ever actually mounting any kind of case against her. Faraday is definitely going to need to answer to this.

I do agree with this, however. I don't remember Faraday's case against Bubbles evolving into anything too substantial, but it could just be that he didn't express it.

Spoiler: show

Finally caught up. Good job, everyone, even though I probably wouldn't have voted Sig had I been around. I didn't find the case that convincing, but apparently it was right

I do agree that Splints' vote seems like it could be a teammate bandwagoning, but for that matter, Ninja's vote rubs me the wrong way too. She does straight up say it's a bandwagon vote, but I still feel pinged by it.

I hope LC and Golden can move on from the feud for next day. It feels like a whole lot of miscommunication, probably between civs.

This is the second time I've seen Faraday refer to the LC/Golden "feud" as being a likely civilian versus civilian affair. This bugs me a little bit on two fronts: it is a subtle means of linking Golden with LC, and also it obviously serves as an indirect soft defense of confirmed mafia LC.

Spoiler: show

G-Man seems to have no interest in defending himself, and it reads like a defeated baddie to me (or at best an unhelpful civvie). Speaking of unhelpful civvie, that's how I'm looking at MM. If he were bad I don't think he'd have such tunnel vision; this is definitely a departure in style for him. I'm still not convinced about LC being bad, either, so MM's sureness seems misplaced.

I will go ahead and *vote G-Man*

Yay for no death! Even though I'm probably still going to vote G-Man, his vote chart is helpful. My initial takeaway from it is that the later LC voters from Day 1 are unlikely to be Mafia 2, since the vote was fairly tight all the way up to the end. And given the way MM has played, I very much doubt if he's on that team, so I think basically all of the LC voters on Day 1 are not Mafia 2.

Similarly, I'd think the early Sig voters on Day 3 are probably not Mafia 1, but once it started to turn into a runaway, I'm thinking one or two teammates slipped in. So I'd say Sloonei, Scotty, FZ, and Bubbles look pretty good in that regard, but MM, Ninja, or FS (or more than one of them) could have been a bandwagon vote for a teammate.

I'm going to go ahead and *vote G-Man* now. Nothing has changed my mind about him.

This is somewhat curious treatment of G-Man on Day 4. It's decent enough that he placed his vote for a mafia player, but the progression here seems at least a little inconsistent. The first post asserts that G-Man has "no interest in defending himself", which in itself is really not a terribly scathing accusation. We've all seen townies do that many times I'm sure. The primary point of interest is that he said G-Man was at best an "unhelpful" civilian. So it's noteworthy then that in the next quoted post, he maintains his anti-G-Man stance despite calling his vote chart "helpful". "Helpful" is the opposite of "unhelpful", which was a key component of his prior accusation. So if that changed, I am curious why he didn't seem to budge at all in his stated suspicion (as he reiterated in the last quoted post).

This is the phase in which Long Con (the mafia team of which G-Man was not a member) ended up lynched. DFaraday's vote for G-Man made it a 5-4 tally lead for LC -- quite close and still swingable into a G-Man lynch. I think there's valid reason to suspect based on the above that Faraday's suspicion of G-Man was somewhat disingenuous. That might indicate he was bussing G-Man to improve his credibility, or it might indicate he was protecting Long Con.

Either way, that's a bad look.

G-Man was eventually lynched the next day phase, but it was such an avalanche tally that it's really not possible to give anyone credit for it based on just their votes.


0 for 2.

DFaraday's rate of contribution has fallen off quite a lot in recent phases. I'll leave him to explain why. One troubling result of this is that his focus has been consistently narrowed. Over the last three day phases, he has said very little about any player other than the three in the above quote: Cobalt, Bass, and ninja. We already know two of them were town, and it's entirely plausible three of them were. Given the highly suspicious, easy nature of the Cobalt and Bass lynches and Faraday's lack of thoroughness as they were perpetrated, I view this with suspicion.

DFaraday's final votes for reference:

Day 1: S~V~S (2nd of 7)
Day 2: Cobalt (6th of 9)
Day 3: TinyBubbles (4th of 4)
Day 4: G-Man (4th of 6)
Day 5: G-Man (4th of 13)
Day 6: Black Rock (4th of 4)
Day 7: Black Rock (2nd of 7)
Day 8: No vote
Day 9: Bass_the_Clever (3rd of 6)

~~~

Overall, I think DFaraday plays a tight game. He conveys the right sort of pro-town persona. However, there is a significant amount of dirt I just dragged up without having to look very deep. He has 42 posts in this thread, and I still had all of those issues with his content. I think he's suspicious and will call him an anti-town read.

I encourage him to address my points. I'm always open to hear rebuttals.

I like where a lot of this is going. I snipped a random chunk of content to make this less big, not because I found it any less meaningful than the rest of the content here. Did Faraday respond to this ISO in any way? I will probably find it along the way, but I have other matters I want to tackle first, and it couldn't hurt to refresh the case against him right now.

[Spacedaisy]

MM, you are incriminating me based on Night 8? But reading that looks like a failed NK, not a missing NK. So how does this incriminate me for replacing an inactive player?

To those who are my fellow civs, lynching me is a bad idea. I am a civ and you don't want to lynch my role.

MM tell me why you explained away your Hedge case by claiming you were hoping to see someone come in and debunk it? Yet you did vote for her, which does not imply to me that you didn't believe your own case. Your conflicting statements make me seriously question how sincerely you are baddie hunting.

I have not yet read JJJ's ISO cases because I've been working on wedding stuff. I fully intend to read them before the poll end though, to make as informed a decision as I can. In the meantime my vote is going to you Marshy boy. I don't trust you this game, at all.

[Marmot]

MM, you are incriminating me based on Night 8? But reading that looks like a failed NK, not a missing NK. So how does this incriminate me for replacing an inactive player?

To those who are my fellow civs, lynching me is a bad idea. I am a civ and you don't want to lynch my role.

MM tell me why you explained away your Hedge case by claiming you were hoping to see someone come in and debunk it? Yet you did vote for her, which does not imply to me that you didn't believe your own case. Your conflicting statements make me seriously question how sincerely you are baddie hunting.

I have not yet read JJJ's ISO cases because I've been working on wedding stuff. I fully intend to read them before the poll end though, to make as informed a decision as I can. In the meantime my vote is going to you Marshy boy. I don't trust you this game, at all.

The thread was dead, and I was trying to instigate discussion. I thought Hedgeowl was a decent lead, so I made a case on her. Some of the points I made were good, but some were a stretch (as Jay immediately pointed out).

You came into the thread and said you found the cases that Epignosis and I made very compelling. Considering you hadn't posted in over 24 hours, nor did you have anything else to say except that you trust Golden, how do I know you even read the cases?




I appreciate you coming into the game to help Dom out, but that itself doesn't make you a civilian. Also, I've explained again and again that the flavor just doesn't match a nightkill attempt by Team Wildhorn, and in fact, doesn't even indicate a nightkill at all.

Sorry, but I believe you are a victim of circumstance.

[Marmot]

AND THEN....


DOM: REWRITE!!!!


Scotty is alive. To vote for him in this poll, you must both post in the thread and then PM me.
I made a mistake in my spread sheet that caused him to die, but he was not supposed to.

I'll make an argument for it again here.

Dom said that he made a mistake in his spreadsheet. This (along with the nightkill flavor) reads to me that Scotty's death is something that is caused by some unknown events that would transpire. It doesn't fit the nightkill style.



When Dom acknowledged Golden's misstated death, he specifically said that Golden was supposed to dodge the bullet.

[Sloonei]

And now I can finally get back to casing niju

I don't want to quote Sloonei's entire case again because it was a real pain in the ass to format and re-format, but I will respond to points he brought up about me. For your convenience, his case can be re-read here for those of you who keep claiming you're going to "look up the case on Blooper again."

I like and appreciate that she is actively promoting the case against her in the thread. Thank you ninja for not letting yourself slip back into the shadows. That said...

Reading through this case, I'm not even sure what team Sloonei is trying to peg me on, because neither team makes any sense. He said my interactions with G-Man and sig "do not paint me in a favorable light." So if he's making the claim that I'm on Team Webber, then he's also asserting that I threw not one, but TWO teammates under the bus without even trying to defend them. I don't count giving G-Man, a player who just subbed in, one day's grace as a defense. Even the host gave that to him. I also don't count not mentioning sig except later in an unfavorable way as a defense. And I sure as shit don't count VOTING FOR TWO PEOPLE ON MY "SUPPOSED TEAM" as a good way to play mafia. It doesn't matter if they were later votes. It would still be two supposed teammates. That's poor, lazy, and cruel team playing, and I'm not any one of those things.

This whole paragraph set off every alarm I have. She first mentions that she's "not sure what team" I had her pegged on, but it was a fairly prominent point in my case that I had been working with the theory that she was a member of team Lloyd Webber, with sig and G-man. For her to express confusion over this point feels a bit like she is overreaching to dismiss the point. She then goes on to say that she can't be on that team because she "threw two teammates under the bus", which is both painting her behavior in a more favorable light than reality and creating a palpable layer of WIFOM. niju may very well have taken part in both lynches, she was 8th/11 and 12th/13 in their respective lynches, and I don't remember her being a driving force in either of those lynches, both of which were landslides by the time she cast her vote. So for her to dismiss the possibility by hinging on her track record as being too staunchly opposed to these players here is a bit misleading. And then she casts that layer of WIFOM by seemingly forgetting that bussing is a thing that frequently happens in mafia games. These would not be cruel, lazy, or poor team moves. She would have looked more suspicious for not following along at those points.

If he's trying to peg me on Team Wilhorn, that's also nonsensical. I made a crazy tie-up vote Day 1 for LC a) to amuse myself and b) because I (rightly) believed LC was bad. I would never throw a teammate under the bus on Day 1, especially with a vote that close. That's idiotic. AND I VOTED FOR HIM AGAIN because my mind did not change about him.

But here she acknowledges the possible strategy of bussing a teammate, when before it was not even something that crossed her mind. Regardless, I was never trying to peg niju on team Wildhorn.

Sloonei himself admits to making this case with major tunnel vision turned on, and it looks like the logic sensor was turned off. One of his other major points is that I didn't mention enough suspicion of sig at the right time, and that sig's weird posts about me gave him pause. I've already addressed the first point. As for the second point, I will say it again as I said to Sloonei: this is precisely the kind of paranoid suspicion that sig was going for. He attempted to paint me in a bad light by lying about me (he said I switched up a vote when I haven't switched a vote all game, even since he was lynched), then buddy up as he was going down (and then buddy back down again) so I could look bad.

Listen to logic, people. If you've ever played on a team with me before, you know I'm not a lazy player (especially since I have a crapload of free time right now!) and I avoid throwing teammates under the bus as much as possible, at the cost of my own thread reputation. This case is nonsensical, and while Sloonei made it with good intentions for the civs, it's wrong. That's all I hope I have to say on that. I'm gonna have a look at people who are really, suddenly eager to get on this case without actually getting on it. I'll return later with thoughts.

I had tunnel vision turned on, yes, but I think that can be a useful tool. When I say I am tunneling a person, I mean that I am looking at their posts specifically through the lens of them being scum. If I find the case believable, I follow up on it. I found this case believable. My point about sig, and the one which remains most relevant at this moment, as its still not been satisfactorily answered, is that nijuu, in a Day 1 post, said that she had "garnered some good reactions" with her vote for Long Con in a heavily contested poll. She would later claim, on Day 5, that one of those "good reactions" was her "first ping" on sig, but when looking back through the rest of her posts, there is very little evidence to suggest that she was suspicious of sig any point near that, and quite a bit of evidence to the contrary of this. That, coupled with her questionable behavior with the two lynched Lloyd Webber baddies, gives me a strong suspicion that she is the third member of their team.

This is just an update on where my thoughts were at the time of my death. I will refresh points as I get back into the game fully now.

[Sloonei]

Regarding the part I highlighted: please show me. You don't have to restate old defenses, but if you could refer me back to the point where you addressed this that'd be super. Otherwise, most of the points Sloonei makes about sig's commentary and then your responses must all be seen as speculative to anyone who is not either sig or you. However, you do provide an important example of sig attempting to smear you (by accusing you of some kind of bad vote switch that didn't happen).

Sloonei: what is your response to that specific point of defense by ninja?

Here are the sig posts in question, so that everyone may judge them for their self:

Spoiler: show

We can't absolutely can't have a no lynch today for that reason along with others I will be voting for SVS
MAFIA IS MOST LIKELY TO TIE THE VOTE I'm very suspicious nijuukyugou right know for doing this

0-10 10 highest 1 lowest
0 being 100% civ
1 being hard civ
2 slight hard
3 medium civ
4 light
5 null
6 leanscum
7 mild scum
8 scum
9 Hard scum read
10 Scum100%


You have mafia people here
Sloonei 3
Scotty 6 same as with Nijuuk
FZ. (5
TinyBubbles 9
, Golden 6
Epignosis 7
Metalmarsh89 8
, nijuukyugou 5 she was less scum before her switching andthen saying she would just run and lynch

His initial reaction was a strange reaction to niju's Day 1 vote which seemed very forced, and then when pressed to rate his suspicion of those of us on his bandwagon, he provided the nulliest, wafflingest read possible on niju, going above and beyond to say something and nothing at the same time. It was odd. I do not necessarily see it was sig trying to smear niju, as all he ultimately manages is to give her a complete null read. It seems like he was trying to distance himself from a teammate, but didn't want to leave her looking too suspicious. However, I absolutely cannot dismiss the possibility that it was just sig picking one target at random to act strangely toward, but this response doesn't feel strong enough to be something like that. It feels more like he's simply overthinking it (which also does not implicate niju in itself, but).

[Spacedaisy]

I've been reading through nutella's posts onmy own right now because she is one of the few people I think I might possibly be able to get a gauge on by myself without outside input. I think this post is really telling:

The two people that really caught my eye on day 1 were Nutella and Sig. They both seem like they're right in the middle of stuff, but are saying nothing. They feel like they are totally blending in and making others do the work for them. Anyone else noticed that?

I haven't been trying to blend in, but I will admit I do "make others do the work" to some extent because I'm not really the type to form big cases on my own, it's just not my style and I'm kinda too lazy/busy to put a lot of time into it. So I read the thread, assess others' suspicions and give my opinions on those, and give my opinions on any other players I've found fishy for whatever reason while reading. And often I don't really know what to think and my views flip and flop around, because in the end I don't have much of a clue who is bad. But I've tried to be as helpful as possible, keeping up with the thread and posting whenever I can, giving my input.
My strongest conviction right now is that Bass is bad. I really really think he is. He's my strongest suspicion, followed by LC at this point and Sig.

In my experience, blendy Nutella almost always is a civ nutella. Reading back over her posts at first I felt unsure if I was seeing civ or baddie Nutella, but honestly, now that I have read them alli see the normal civ waffling that is characteristic of Nutella. I think that those voting her would do well to consider putting their votes somewhere else. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Right now I firmly believe Golden and Nutella to be civ, and most likely JJJ as well, though I suspect he could pull off a masterful baddie performance if he wanted, I don't believe he is.

I will now read the ISOs on Blooper and Splintsy.

[Spacedaisy]

MM, you are incriminating me based on Night 8? But reading that looks like a failed NK, not a missing NK. So how does this incriminate me for replacing an inactive player?

To those who are my fellow civs, lynching me is a bad idea. I am a civ and you don't want to lynch my role.

MM tell me why you explained away your Hedge case by claiming you were hoping to see someone come in and debunk it? Yet you did vote for her, which does not imply to me that you didn't believe your own case. Your conflicting statements make me seriously question how sincerely you are baddie hunting.

I have not yet read JJJ's ISO cases because I've been working on wedding stuff. I fully intend to read them before the poll end though, to make as informed a decision as I can. In the meantime my vote is going to you Marshy boy. I don't trust you this game, at all.

The thread was dead, and I was trying to instigate discussion. I thought Hedgeowl was a decent lead, so I made a case on her. Some of the points I made were good, but some were a stretch (as Jay immediately pointed out).

You came into the thread and said you found the cases that Epignosis and I made very compelling. Considering you hadn't posted in over 24 hours, nor did you have anything else to say except that you trust Golden, how do I know you even read the cases?




I appreciate you coming into the game to help Dom out, but that itself doesn't make you a civilian. Also, I've explained again and again that the flavor just doesn't match a nightkill attempt by Team Wildhorn, and in fact, doesn't even indicate a nightkill at all.

Sorry, but I believe you are a victim of circumstance.

By that logic how do you know ANYONE has read anything? Your arguments here make no sense. Just because I said I wasn't going to read the stuff that happened before I joined doesnot mean I am not up to speed with what has been posted since I joined. I found the fact that it presented her voting record in a way that looked like a distancing teammate to be compelling yes. Also, you of all people should know, I don't spam post, I post when I have something to say.

The only thing that I am a victim of is you taking the opportunity that my replacing in gives you for a easy lynch MM. You are bad, I feel very certain of it. I am a civ, but if I get lynched I should hope the civs are smart enough to look squarely at you next because you are very transparent in your intentions if you ask me.

You can explain all you want, but I think you are reaching because you want the civs looking at inactives in order to save your own hide. Reading that post very clearly looks like a failed night kill. Why is no one else totally questioning MM right now? I've been here for two daysand he looks so clearly bad, I'm shocked he is even still alive right now.

[Sloonei]

I am skimming through the pages since my death. Forgive me if I bring up things that have been covered already.

i am sure this has been addressed already but: in a two-mafia-team game, how is it a relevant defense to survive a night kill?

It makes it unlikely that you are on the team that tried to kill you. Although, I once hosted a game where a baddie team NKed their teammate Night 2, so I wouldn't put it past any Mafia team to fake a kill.

I think Golden is probably not part of the plot, but I agree with Timmer that this sudden push for Cobalt, who's been on the backburner for days, is suspicious and comes across as a BR save. My thoughts on BR have not changed, aside from becoming even more suspicious of her, so I'll put my vote on BR for now.

*Votes BR*

If possible, DFaraday, could you recall who you thought was trying to save BR by pushing for Cobalt's lynch on this day? And why was Golden not "part of the plot"?

[Sloonei]

For the people currently voting for or suspicious of Nutella: which team do you think she is more likely be on? Why?

[Sloonei]

I wanted to produce a lot more content than I have today, but my day was longer and more tiring than I was anticipating, and I'm mostly asleep at this point. I'll hopefully get back at it tomorrow. In the meantime my suspicion remains most heavily on ninja, but I think nutella and DFaraday have been trending more downward than anyone else since the time that I left. Neverwhere is probably my strongest inactive scum read at the moment as well. I had a number of unanswered questions about her before she stepped away.
still reading things, but i don't have the focus or energy to produce any big casing posts tonight. maybe something will inspire me.

[Marmot]

MM, you are incriminating me based on Night 8? But reading that looks like a failed NK, not a missing NK. So how does this incriminate me for replacing an inactive player?

To those who are my fellow civs, lynching me is a bad idea. I am a civ and you don't want to lynch my role.

MM tell me why you explained away your Hedge case by claiming you were hoping to see someone come in and debunk it? Yet you did vote for her, which does not imply to me that you didn't believe your own case. Your conflicting statements make me seriously question how sincerely you are baddie hunting.

I have not yet read JJJ's ISO cases because I've been working on wedding stuff. I fully intend to read them before the poll end though, to make as informed a decision as I can. In the meantime my vote is going to you Marshy boy. I don't trust you this game, at all.

The thread was dead, and I was trying to instigate discussion. I thought Hedgeowl was a decent lead, so I made a case on her. Some of the points I made were good, but some were a stretch (as Jay immediately pointed out).

You came into the thread and said you found the cases that Epignosis and I made very compelling. Considering you hadn't posted in over 24 hours, nor did you have anything else to say except that you trust Golden, how do I know you even read the cases?




I appreciate you coming into the game to help Dom out, but that itself doesn't make you a civilian. Also, I've explained again and again that the flavor just doesn't match a nightkill attempt by Team Wildhorn, and in fact, doesn't even indicate a nightkill at all.

Sorry, but I believe you are a victim of circumstance.

By that logic how do you know ANYONE has read anything? Your arguments here make no sense. Just because I said I wasn't going to read the stuff that happened before I joined doesnot mean I am not up to speed with what has been posted since I joined. I found the fact that it presented her voting record in a way that looked like a distancing teammate to be compelling yes. Also, you of all people should know, I don't spam post, I post when I have something to say.

The only thing that I am a victim of is you taking the opportunity that my replacing in gives you for a easy lynch MM. You are bad, I feel very certain of it. I am a civ, but if I get lynched I should hope the civs are smart enough to look squarely at you next because you are very transparent in your intentions if you ask me.

You can explain all you want, but I think you are reaching because you want the civs looking at inactives in order to save your own hide. Reading that post very clearly looks like a failed night kill. Why is no one else totally questioning MM right now? I've been here for two daysand he looks so clearly bad, I'm shocked he is even still alive right now.

If you think it's a failed nightkill, then whose nightkill failed? Every nightkill (failed or otherwise) has had some sort of explainable killer except for that one. Do you think Dom is just being inconsistent with the nightkills then? I've recognized and pointed out a pattern, and I will assume I am correct until someone gives me a convincing explanation that I am wrong about it.

Also, since you think that I just want to lynch inactives to save my own hide, do you think that all inactives are civilians?

[Marmot]

I wanted to produce a lot more content than I have today, but my day was longer and more tiring than I was anticipating, and I'm mostly asleep at this point. I'll hopefully get back at it tomorrow. In the meantime my suspicion remains most heavily on ninja, but I think nutella and DFaraday have been trending more downward than anyone else since the time that I left. Neverwhere is probably my strongest inactive scum read at the moment as well. I had a number of unanswered questions about her before she stepped away.
still reading things, but i don't have the focus or energy to produce any big casing posts tonight. maybe something will inspire me.

[Sloonei]

I think there is some merit to MM's analysis of the night messages and nightkill flavors throughout the game. This is not to say I agree or disagree with his conclusions, but I think it's a good thing to have brought up.

[Spacedaisy]

I am not saying I think all inactives are civ, no. Let me give you a clear play out of Your statements in the time since I have returned MM...

First you come in with this pretty confident case...

Hedgeowl ISO for the win!!!!! (with lots of exclamations!) I'm just looking at interactions with/about Long Con and Black Rock.

Hedgeowl originally offers a no read of Long Con in response to Golden's question, with the reasoning that she can never tell very well with him. She also admitted to being sympathetic to LC for reasons that don't pertain to the game. This is very early in the game, so it's hard to tell if this indicates a baddie or civilian response. She did talk about SVS more in this post than LC, though Hedgeowl would later go on to vote for Long Con.

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Hedgeowl - if several people ended up voting for LC or SVS today, would you consider that there seemed to be good reasons for that, or are you saying that you find the reasons to suspect LC and SVS unconvincing?

Oh I am not saying that. Did I say that? I was commenting on the earlier discussion about newbies, which SVS and LC are not. I am sympathetic to LC because of Epi's accusation around the word "interesting" but that's more because I am someone who overuses this word in life. I do find SVS' defense interesting (!) however. I would not say I am ready to vote based on any of this yet though. Mostly, I think there been a lot of huffing and puffing and MP's redonkulous rainbow list aside ( ), not much noteworthy in 5 pages that took me too long to read, so I agree with Epi there. I will say so far he reads like civ Epi to me, and I can never tell very well with LC.

what are ISOs that everyone is mentioning? I assume not In Search Of...

Still no read of LC here, and Hedgeowl states that Epignosis's comments about SVS are noteworthy (she likes them?).

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I would add to Turnip's post that in Hedgeowl's third post, she seems to state that MP's rainbow list is something worth taking note of, but all she goes on to say is that it made her laugh.

That was a bit of tongue and cheek humor. I did not think his rainbow list (with only 2 colors!) was super valuable to me at the time, but I thought it was funny of him to try. I am so rarely serious in my posts, so it sometimes causes confusion. I play mafia for the lulz and as a break from my crazy wonderful two year old when he is sleeping, so I am not as serious as the serious players, but I do enjoy the game.

I also don't want anyone to feel as if I am insulting your rainbow lists. They are new to me and I am just getting used to them, but have no issues with those who use them, as you know, an actual rainbow. I haven't decided how I feel about Grainbows yet though.

Yes, TH, that's exactly what I was trying to do. I felt like Hedgeowl's statement was definitely something that could be referred back to later to defend LC or SVS, and I didn't want to allow it to be used that way. I could definitely see a scenario where Hedgeowl is in a team with LC or SVS and was hoping to have some else run with her comment and imply that LC or SVS were being bandwagoned.

Also, her response question 'Did I say that?' - was a noteworthy response to me.

Ah, my bandwagon comment was in no way related to SVS or LC. They are both so slippery when bad that I often find I suspect them in every game just because, but struggle to really find a concrete reason beyond gut. This game so far, I am finding Epi's comments noteworthy regarding SVS, but also keeping in mind this dynamic between the two is not new. As for LC I still don't know, but I have 3 more pages to read.

I'm with Turnip Head on this one. I got so caught up focusing on the whole Epi - Lc - SVS talk I forgot about the posts Hedgeowl had made. They read really scummy to me too. A lot of mafia excuse speak. If Hedge is bad, it seems kind of sloppy of her....

At this point she's pinging me the most for a day 1 vote.

I am reading Gumshoe as civvie for now.

How is it sloppy of me? What exactly did I say that you find to be mafia excuse speak? That I dont want to target newbies? Also, I can't decide if I am offended or not if it is sloppy mafia playing.

Yes, TH, that's exactly what I was trying to do. I felt like Hedgeowl's statement was definitely something that could be referred back to later to defend LC or SVS, and I didn't want to allow it to be used that way. I could definitely see a scenario where Hedgeowl is in a team with LC or SVS and was hoping to have some else run with her comment and imply that LC or SVS were being bandwagoned.

It just seems so out of place in that post. And I see what you're saying, she could refer back to that remark to preemptively counter any bandwagons she doesn't like. It's like that sentence came from the future and landed in Hedgeowl's post.

TH, you have seriously played mafia with me enough to know that I am very wary of bandwagons or what I perceive to be bandwagons and have used my votes before to actively save people I think are civvies. I dont see how that is any different for me this game.

Hedgeowl comments on Cobalt's vote, calling it unsurprising. This is Hedgeowl's first mention of Cobalt, and had not interacted with him before. Keep this in mind.

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Alright, I just finished catching up and am tired. I am really uncertain as to my suspicions currently, but would like to look back at those that jumped on board other people's suspicions and voted as a result. I am not super surprised at Cobalt's vote, but dont know how serious to take it given his earlier comments. MM as well need to reread. I will be interested in seeing how others vote an will plan to vote tomorrow evening hopefully.

Also, I find myself identifying with TGG description of playstyle as well. Rings true for me too.

Night y'all.

Hedgeowl places her vote on Day 1 in the final minutes.

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Ugh, I am like 5 pages behind, but I don't want SvS to go down on a self vote. Voting LC because between him and Cobalt I feel more suspicious of him, but very weak still.

Linki no idea what is going on in the vote lol.

This vote looks good at first, because it was a vote on LC to tie him with SVS for the lead (I think). But not long after, LC swoops in to put SVS ahead. Sure LC may have voted for self-preservation, but looking at Hedgeowl's vote, I don't think it's as sincere as it seems. I understand backing off of SVS, but Hedgeowl had offered no suspicion of LC to this point. She offered no read of him at one point, and sympathized with him in another post. She hadn't stated a suspicion of Cobalt either, but at from her posts, I believe she should have been more prone to vote Cobalt.

This move may have a calculated one to give Hedgeowl a good look.



Hedgeowl comments on Day 2 that she doesn't like Cobalt's antics, but doesn't seem to want to touch the Cobalt-LC relationship.

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I don't like the taunting Cobalt trying to get us to vote him now. Claiming that ability after someone guessed it seems like what you did I a game LC when Juliets said you were indy and you weren't.

I am almost inclined to leave the LC-Cobalt thing for another day, but there have been so many questions raised between these two. I still have 4-5 pages to read before the last lynch,

Day4, Hedgeowl states she is still catching up, and still plans to read about the LC-Cobalt relationship. She includes that she is finding LC increasingly less suspicious as she goes.

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Ok, still several pages to go before I am fully caught up. Honestly sloonei those lyrics are not subtle in the least. Maybe someone is super ballsy and confidant in their gut reads, but it seems extreme to write a whole song about Nutella if you don't really think she's bad. Either way very fun song writing there! I def don't think we should take the word of night post though, because there is no guarantee they are civ I would assume. I do however think it worthwhile to examine Nutellas posts, votes etc. just in case. No reason we shouldn't all get some scrutiny.

I also need to do some rereads of LC-Cobalt to get a better handle on that currently. I am still suspicious of LC, but less so the more I get caught up.

fuckin wifi signal..posting now I hope.

The very next day, Hedgeowl reads LC as a frustrated civ, but a civilian nonetheless.

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Scotty, no, I'm not sure that corruption means the player will change to bad, but I want to be sure about this, because if any of us were bad and could recruit or something of the sort, we'd take the most trusted player in the game. Right now, that's obviously Sloonei. So unless someone saved him, or he has a power to survive a NK on his own, I would be quite worried.

As for Golden voting Epi, that's a very weird choice, and I think we should think about why it's there. I doubt he was forced to do it, because Epig was not a high candidate for a lynch, so why waste it on him. So it seems he voted Epi for a good reason, at least to him.

Oh, and Neverwhere just reminded me about Splints.
Splints, of course civvies hesitate, but I think your choices for baddies are too easy. I think Bubbles is not bad, and based on his recent posts, I don't see Bass as bad either. I could be wrong of course, but it seems as if you chose the easy targets.

Very good point. Also...like I said before. Cobalt out of nowhere says he's 100% sure of Epi being bad and Golden suddenly just votes for him also.

I was also curious about this and thought it must have been something I missed. I've been rereading LC's posts, which have a lot of exchange with Golden, so surprised to see the Epi vote. I am still finishing them, but more and more LC is reading as frustrated civ to me. I need to read more about others thoughts on his connections to Tiny, and sig's posts in light of his lynch. I never thought the he killed Epi theory as a valid one. As BR commented I believe, it just doesn't seem like LC's style.

But 20 minutes later, Hedgeowl backtracks and votes LC. LC was lynched this day, but he held a 10-6 lead over G-Man at the time of her vote. That's not insurmountable, but still a wide margin, giving her vote less credit.

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Ok, I am making a mess of those spoiler and quotes tags, so will have to get someone to explain it to me later. I went back and read the cases on sig and LC in light of sig's posts and it doesn't look good. I dont know sig as a player, so I cant tell if he would defend a teammate so often, but it's not how I usually like to play as a baddie. However, with such early suspicion of LC it may have forced the team to go on the defensive. I dislike that he isnt here to defend himself, but reading through his posts he did have quite a lot of opportunity this game. I agree with Epi and Sloonei's assessments and will vote LC.

Votes Long Con

LInki Gman are you trying to tempt me to vote for you?

Hedgeowl comments on BR. Not much of a comment, just says she doesn't believe she would defend LC being his spouse.

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Welcome JJJ and SVS! Glad to have you, even though I have been super absent this game. So far in catch-up I have only read this page, so my plan is to vote now since they are changeable and then continue to catch up this evening while also during other things.

I obviously need to catch-up more on the BR case because I just havent been present enough to understand it beyond that she defended LC early on. Of all the people to get caught in a defense of LC, I would think someone's spouse would be the one. If they had been on a team, I think it less likely she would have defended him honestly. Now, I also felt that he wouldn't be the kind of player to go after Epi on Day 1, but didn't mean I didn't vote for him with two mafia teams.

On Day 7, the day BR was lynched, Hedgeowl votes nutella, but does comment after the lynch about BR, and directs attention towards nutella.

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Corrupted, so this fits with the LC teammate theory since that's the team with 3. It wouldn't be crazy of them to recruit BR either. Well done, those who sniffed her out. I can take no credt having minimally participated in this lynch as it is. I am interested in the fact that nutella did not vote. JJJ, scotty, and others what do you think of nutella in light of BR's flip, is she the next place to look or are others still suspect.

Lol Cobalt, yeah no one thinks your LC's teammate now I think. But could there be more than one corrupted teammate...

This is Hedgeowl's most recent post, coming during Night 7. This is the part I find most suspicious. Hedgeowl said she was going out of town for 10 days, but look at the other parts of this scenario.

• - Black Rock is lynched Day 7, and Team Wildhorn missed the Night 8 kill.
  - Black Rock and Long Con have both been lynched, possibly disheartening a mafia team to have multiple excellent teammates go down.
  - Hedgeowl says she will be out of town and will have internet, but has not posted since then.

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Grr I just did a whole analysis post about Hedgeowl and it got deleted. I'm too tired to do it again.
It's ok though, because here's the short gist of her:
-She has only 37 posts, which is quite minimal for someone still [actively] playing the game.
-but she has been constantly "catching up". I legit feel her frustration of continually having to comb through 10 pages every day for the past few gamedays, and how she's felt absent.
-She has voted not terribly so far. She did miss Day 2 vote, even though she was around and could have voted. I don't think it's that suspicious, since she picked it back up every day thereafter (except for the Tiny night). She missed a few night polls as well, so this also seems like a genuine busy-ness. Her vote off the G-man lynch felt justified with her self-proclaimed ideology of players bandwagoning only if they has a reason.
-I feel like she reads as a backdoor civ- she hasn't shared a lot of original suspicions, but also doesn't always go with the crowd on voting.

Hedge, I hope as the thread gets lighter that you come around more.
Can you give me 3 people you might suspect right now and maybe a little bit why?

I officially endorse your analysis, although that of course means diddlysquat. I am just too busy irl and at night so tired that it's no longer fun to catch up constantly, so eventually I give up and go to sleep. I am going on vacation for 10 days tomorrow in rural Wisconsin. I have been told we have internet, but will be with a ton of family. Granted my participation cant get much worse at this point. As for suspects, I still have nutella on my list, but saw JJJ say she defended herself well, so need to check that out. Otherwise, I havent taken the time to anayze the votes as I like to do, not that we have lynched several baddies, but thats where I like to start in my analsysis usually.

I think Hedgeowl could be a member of Team Wildhorn.

Then you begin laying the groundwork for the idea that Night 8 was a missed kill...

Also, the attempt to nightkill Bass on Night 5 is confusing. I don't think that Team Wildhorn could kill on odd nights.

What confuses me more about Team Wildhorn's missed kills is that I believe that it seems to me that Jekyll & Hyde has still been targeting players.

Are you suggesting that you do not believe bubbles is jekyll? I've been trying to figure this one out for ages.

I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong, but, for example, SVS has voted nijuu each of the last three days (including very early on today) which does line up with Jekyll and Hyde's role, and with the way things look, makes nijuu a likely target for J&H. I won't dismiss the TinyBubbles being Jekyll theory, because I understand that if it's true, someone else must be the real Sweeney Todd, and that is still a possibility. I just think that, regardless of my early theory of the LC/TB relationship, that TinyBubbles is a civilian. Also of note, Sweeney Todd gets one nightkill in the game. The fact that G-Man was not nightkilled before his lynch leads me to believe that Sweeney Todd is either an inactive player, or a relatively new player like TinyBubbles who may not feel comfortable pulling the trigger on a nightkill.

I am very much liking the cases MM and Epi have brought on hedgeowl.

If I understand MM correctly, hedge could not be jekyll? Because jekyll is active?

In which case, it should also be possible to test if hedge is B & C by way of checking when she left and not been back since. (I tend to think the unknown force could be Mr Hyde? So I'm not assuming wildhorn missed a kill - but I could well be wrong about that, I understand why 'unknown force' might sound more like a civilian ninja or independent role).

All of the baddies' kills so far have had some obvious flavor to them. Thus, I am more inclined to believe that the kill of Scotty did not come from a baddie team, nor may have it even come from another player. It could even have been role-related on his part.

I just read DF back, and I no longer think he could be on team webber. He was one of the first people to agree with my case on TGG, and was pretty consistent about it. Even before G-Man subbed in.

I also do not think he could be on team wildhorn with either FS or hedge, because those happen to have been two of his more consistent suspects. His voting for BR looks good too. I think he could be on team wildhorn, but I'd have him below splints and hedge on my radar, and I'm trying to figure out who is on team webber! Where are Webber and the Phantom hiding?

Not to discredit DF too much, but TGG left on weird terms, and may even had suggested to his teammates to throw him under the bus.

Then you voted hedge. After her flip you said:

I didn't feel super compelled by the case, but there were couple things that I saw. I'll admit that I did try to fit it all into my theory.

But this game has fallen into a rut, and I think you will have noticed it too, and I was just looking for something to spark discussion. Anything. I thought about looking at Team Webber, who has been more active, but I figured it would be easier to look at Team Wildhorn, and see how the active member(s) of Team Webber respond.

You didn't feel super compelled by it? Really? Despite coming in all, Hedge ISO for the win! Exclamation point! Could have fooled me. And you here make it look like you were trying to lure out mafia members, but it seems a foolish plan to me to put a vote on someone you apparently weren't super compelled to believe was bad and we're just using as mafia bait.

I didn't feel super compelled by the case, but there were couple things that I saw. I'll admit that I did try to fit it all into my theory.

But this game has fallen into a rut, and I think you will have noticed it too, and I was just looking for something to spark discussion. Anything. I thought about looking at Team Webber, who has been more active, but I figured it would be easier to look at Team Wildhorn, and see how the active member(s) of Team Webber respond.

A few people joined your cause soon after you mounted the case. Who among them do you feel was the least sincere in doing so? If you're town (or even anti-town on a team other than Windhorn), then someone out there capitalized on you being wrong.

Pretty much everyone that came in and stated "Wowie, these cases are so compelling, I can't even decide who to vote for between splints and Hedgeowl!"

I was surprised to see nutella claim that she and Hedgeowl were on Team Wildhorn with certainty. I didn't know there was reason to believe fingersplints was on that team. And then nutella didn't even vote.

Spacedaisy, well you already pointed her comments out. She just hopped in the game, and that post was her only post in the last 30 hours.

I don't see any reason to suspect Golden. Or rather, I see plenty of reason not to suspect Golden, and I haven't bothered considering him as a mafia.

Convenient. You find everyone who voted the same way you did as probably bad. But not you, oh no, nothing to see here, move along folks. Then there is this little gem:

One important thing I intentionally left out of my original theory of Team Wildhorn that no one caught: I did not include any players that replaced in later in the game. This would include you JJJ, Spacedaisy, and SVS, but you were silenced, SVS wasn't around all day, but then there is Spacedaisy, who stated that the cases were "pretty compelling". If there's a nightkill tonight, I'd bet it's coming from her.

Nice how you set me up to take the fall for what was going to come. You set the stage for exactly what you knew was going to happen, and then when it did, you have been dancing around like it proved something. Good luck explaining your way out of it when I flip civ.

Finally, you comment again on your case on Hedge. You "take responsibility" but at the same time you make the outlandish claim you were just hoping someone would call you out on it as bullshit, that you act as if you knew it was, but if that were the case why would you have voted for her? This makes no sense if you are civ MM, none.

Unless there's anything else you wish to talk about Golden, I don't plan on doing any more game-related stuff this night phase. I'll be gone all day tomorrow camping, so I'll just hold off until Sunday if I'm still alive and not silenced.

JJJ was right though. I forced some points on the Hedgeowl case, so I take full responsibility for her lynch. I was just hoping someone would come in and tell me it was bullshit. Nobody did. My apologies to Hedgeowl.

Now lastly, regarding this theory of yours that there is a difference in the night kills, I see a major flaw with this. Night 2, a chandelier. Night 4, a chandelier. Night 6, a chandelier. Night 8, what do you know? A chandelier... It looks like the same team to me MM, and the only reason I can think you want to make something that seems so blatantly obvious to me look like something other than what it most likely was, is because you want to direct attention to inactives, specifically, inactives who have recently been replaced. You set the stage, giving us the narrative before it happened. I can see through it because I recognize I'm the pawn in your power play here. I am civ, lunching me will prove that. And I have yelled loud enough that I hope should they be foolish enough to follow you in this bid to lynch me, that they will at least be convinced by my flip to lynch you next. You are bad. My vote will almost certainly remain where it is until the poll ends. I hope others will see through you as well.

[Sloonei]

Spacedaisy, you came in to the game at a strange time. What has your general approach been, and who would you say are your top suspects right now?

[Spacedaisy]

I'm trying to read through Dom's posts to try and make sure I am understanding them correctly not just based on MM's own recap of them and I find it thoroughly confusing right now. I am having a very hard time telling what is a day post what is a night post and what number they are. If I have misunderstood something in that, please feel free to correct me.

Sloonie, I suspect anyone who I don't feel confident is civ. My confident civ reads are Golden, JJJ, and Nutella, and by extension you. I believe the person who rezzed you was likely civ, so I doubt they would have rezzed you without feeling confident in your alignment. I most suspect MM, if it wasn't already obvious. I need to read back over Splints, Ninja, and DFaraday tomorrow to give an opinion there.

[nutella]

Hmm thanks for the insight on MM, Daisy. You've drawn attention to some weird behavior that I wouldn't have caught otherwise. I look forward to his response.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

I am not saying I think all inactives are civ, no. Let me give you a clear play out of Your statements in the time since I have returned MM...

First you come in with this pretty confident case...

Hedgeowl ISO for the win!!!!! (with lots of exclamations!) I'm just looking at interactions with/about Long Con and Black Rock.

Hedgeowl originally offers a no read of Long Con in response to Golden's question, with the reasoning that she can never tell very well with him. She also admitted to being sympathetic to LC for reasons that don't pertain to the game. This is very early in the game, so it's hard to tell if this indicates a baddie or civilian response. She did talk about SVS more in this post than LC, though Hedgeowl would later go on to vote for Long Con.

Hedgeowl - if several people ended up voting for LC or SVS today, would you consider that there seemed to be good reasons for that, or are you saying that you find the reasons to suspect LC and SVS unconvincing?

Oh I am not saying that. Did I say that? I was commenting on the earlier discussion about newbies, which SVS and LC are not. I am sympathetic to LC because of Epi's accusation around the word "interesting" but that's more because I am someone who overuses this word in life. I do find SVS' defense interesting (!) however. I would not say I am ready to vote based on any of this yet though. Mostly, I think there been a lot of huffing and puffing and MP's redonkulous rainbow list aside ( ), not much noteworthy in 5 pages that took me too long to read, so I agree with Epi there. I will say so far he reads like civ Epi to me, and I can never tell very well with LC.

what are ISOs that everyone is mentioning? I assume not In Search Of...

Still no read of LC here, and Hedgeowl states that Epignosis's comments about SVS are noteworthy (she likes them?).

I would add to Turnip's post that in Hedgeowl's third post, she seems to state that MP's rainbow list is something worth taking note of, but all she goes on to say is that it made her laugh.

That was a bit of tongue and cheek humor. I did not think his rainbow list (with only 2 colors!) was super valuable to me at the time, but I thought it was funny of him to try. I am so rarely serious in my posts, so it sometimes causes confusion. I play mafia for the lulz and as a break from my crazy wonderful two year old when he is sleeping, so I am not as serious as the serious players, but I do enjoy the game.

I also don't want anyone to feel as if I am insulting your rainbow lists. They are new to me and I am just getting used to them, but have no issues with those who use them, as you know, an actual rainbow. I haven't decided how I feel about Grainbows yet though.

Yes, TH, that's exactly what I was trying to do. I felt like Hedgeowl's statement was definitely something that could be referred back to later to defend LC or SVS, and I didn't want to allow it to be used that way. I could definitely see a scenario where Hedgeowl is in a team with LC or SVS and was hoping to have some else run with her comment and imply that LC or SVS were being bandwagoned.

Also, her response question 'Did I say that?' - was a noteworthy response to me.

Ah, my bandwagon comment was in no way related to SVS or LC. They are both so slippery when bad that I often find I suspect them in every game just because, but struggle to really find a concrete reason beyond gut. This game so far, I am finding Epi's comments noteworthy regarding SVS, but also keeping in mind this dynamic between the two is not new. As for LC I still don't know, but I have 3 more pages to read.

I'm with Turnip Head on this one. I got so caught up focusing on the whole Epi - Lc - SVS talk I forgot about the posts Hedgeowl had made. They read really scummy to me too. A lot of mafia excuse speak. If Hedge is bad, it seems kind of sloppy of her....

At this point she's pinging me the most for a day 1 vote.

I am reading Gumshoe as civvie for now.

How is it sloppy of me? What exactly did I say that you find to be mafia excuse speak? That I dont want to target newbies? Also, I can't decide if I am offended or not if it is sloppy mafia playing.

Yes, TH, that's exactly what I was trying to do. I felt like Hedgeowl's statement was definitely something that could be referred back to later to defend LC or SVS, and I didn't want to allow it to be used that way. I could definitely see a scenario where Hedgeowl is in a team with LC or SVS and was hoping to have some else run with her comment and imply that LC or SVS were being bandwagoned.

It just seems so out of place in that post. And I see what you're saying, she could refer back to that remark to preemptively counter any bandwagons she doesn't like. It's like that sentence came from the future and landed in Hedgeowl's post.

TH, you have seriously played mafia with me enough to know that I am very wary of bandwagons or what I perceive to be bandwagons and have used my votes before to actively save people I think are civvies. I dont see how that is any different for me this game.

Hedgeowl comments on Cobalt's vote, calling it unsurprising. This is Hedgeowl's first mention of Cobalt, and had not interacted with him before. Keep this in mind.

Alright, I just finished catching up and am tired. I am really uncertain as to my suspicions currently, but would like to look back at those that jumped on board other people's suspicions and voted as a result. I am not super surprised at Cobalt's vote, but dont know how serious to take it given his earlier comments. MM as well need to reread. I will be interested in seeing how others vote an will plan to vote tomorrow evening hopefully.

Also, I find myself identifying with TGG description of playstyle as well. Rings true for me too.

Night y'all.

Hedgeowl places her vote on Day 1 in the final minutes.

Ugh, I am like 5 pages behind, but I don't want SvS to go down on a self vote. Voting LC because between him and Cobalt I feel more suspicious of him, but very weak still.

Linki no idea what is going on in the vote lol.

This vote looks good at first, because it was a vote on LC to tie him with SVS for the lead (I think). But not long after, LC swoops in to put SVS ahead. Sure LC may have voted for self-preservation, but looking at Hedgeowl's vote, I don't think it's as sincere as it seems. I understand backing off of SVS, but Hedgeowl had offered no suspicion of LC to this point. She offered no read of him at one point, and sympathized with him in another post. She hadn't stated a suspicion of Cobalt either, but at from her posts, I believe she should have been more prone to vote Cobalt.

This move may have a calculated one to give Hedgeowl a good look.



Hedgeowl comments on Day 2 that she doesn't like Cobalt's antics, but doesn't seem to want to touch the Cobalt-LC relationship.

I don't like the taunting Cobalt trying to get us to vote him now. Claiming that ability after someone guessed it seems like what you did I a game LC when Juliets said you were indy and you weren't.

I am almost inclined to leave the LC-Cobalt thing for another day, but there have been so many questions raised between these two. I still have 4-5 pages to read before the last lynch,

Day4, Hedgeowl states she is still catching up, and still plans to read about the LC-Cobalt relationship. She includes that she is finding LC increasingly less suspicious as she goes.

Ok, still several pages to go before I am fully caught up. Honestly sloonei those lyrics are not subtle in the least. Maybe someone is super ballsy and confidant in their gut reads, but it seems extreme to write a whole song about Nutella if you don't really think she's bad. Either way very fun song writing there! I def don't think we should take the word of night post though, because there is no guarantee they are civ I would assume. I do however think it worthwhile to examine Nutellas posts, votes etc. just in case. No reason we shouldn't all get some scrutiny.

I also need to do some rereads of LC-Cobalt to get a better handle on that currently. I am still suspicious of LC, but less so the more I get caught up.

fuckin wifi signal..posting now I hope.

The very next day, Hedgeowl reads LC as a frustrated civ, but a civilian nonetheless.

Scotty, no, I'm not sure that corruption means the player will change to bad, but I want to be sure about this, because if any of us were bad and could recruit or something of the sort, we'd take the most trusted player in the game. Right now, that's obviously Sloonei. So unless someone saved him, or he has a power to survive a NK on his own, I would be quite worried.

As for Golden voting Epi, that's a very weird choice, and I think we should think about why it's there. I doubt he was forced to do it, because Epig was not a high candidate for a lynch, so why waste it on him. So it seems he voted Epi for a good reason, at least to him.

Oh, and Neverwhere just reminded me about Splints.
Splints, of course civvies hesitate, but I think your choices for baddies are too easy. I think Bubbles is not bad, and based on his recent posts, I don't see Bass as bad either. I could be wrong of course, but it seems as if you chose the easy targets.

Very good point. Also...like I said before. Cobalt out of nowhere says he's 100% sure of Epi being bad and Golden suddenly just votes for him also.

I was also curious about this and thought it must have been something I missed. I've been rereading LC's posts, which have a lot of exchange with Golden, so surprised to see the Epi vote. I am still finishing them, but more and more LC is reading as frustrated civ to me. I need to read more about others thoughts on his connections to Tiny, and sig's posts in light of his lynch. I never thought the he killed Epi theory as a valid one. As BR commented I believe, it just doesn't seem like LC's style.

But 20 minutes later, Hedgeowl backtracks and votes LC. LC was lynched this day, but he held a 10-6 lead over G-Man at the time of her vote. That's not insurmountable, but still a wide margin, giving her vote less credit.

Ok, I am making a mess of those spoiler and quotes tags, so will have to get someone to explain it to me later. I went back and read the cases on sig and LC in light of sig's posts and it doesn't look good. I dont know sig as a player, so I cant tell if he would defend a teammate so often, but it's not how I usually like to play as a baddie. However, with such early suspicion of LC it may have forced the team to go on the defensive. I dislike that he isnt here to defend himself, but reading through his posts he did have quite a lot of opportunity this game. I agree with Epi and Sloonei's assessments and will vote LC.

Votes Long Con

LInki Gman are you trying to tempt me to vote for you?

Hedgeowl comments on BR. Not much of a comment, just says she doesn't believe she would defend LC being his spouse.

Welcome JJJ and SVS! Glad to have you, even though I have been super absent this game. So far in catch-up I have only read this page, so my plan is to vote now since they are changeable and then continue to catch up this evening while also during other things.

I obviously need to catch-up more on the BR case because I just havent been present enough to understand it beyond that she defended LC early on. Of all the people to get caught in a defense of LC, I would think someone's spouse would be the one. If they had been on a team, I think it less likely she would have defended him honestly. Now, I also felt that he wouldn't be the kind of player to go after Epi on Day 1, but didn't mean I didn't vote for him with two mafia teams.

On Day 7, the day BR was lynched, Hedgeowl votes nutella, but does comment after the lynch about BR, and directs attention towards nutella.

Corrupted, so this fits with the LC teammate theory since that's the team with 3. It wouldn't be crazy of them to recruit BR either. Well done, those who sniffed her out. I can take no credt having minimally participated in this lynch as it is. I am interested in the fact that nutella did not vote. JJJ, scotty, and others what do you think of nutella in light of BR's flip, is she the next place to look or are others still suspect.

Lol Cobalt, yeah no one thinks your LC's teammate now I think. But could there be more than one corrupted teammate...

This is Hedgeowl's most recent post, coming during Night 7. This is the part I find most suspicious. Hedgeowl said she was going out of town for 10 days, but look at the other parts of this scenario.

• - Black Rock is lynched Day 7, and Team Wildhorn missed the Night 8 kill.
  - Black Rock and Long Con have both been lynched, possibly disheartening a mafia team to have multiple excellent teammates go down.
  - Hedgeowl says she will be out of town and will have internet, but has not posted since then.

Grr I just did a whole analysis post about Hedgeowl and it got deleted. I'm too tired to do it again.
It's ok though, because here's the short gist of her:
-She has only 37 posts, which is quite minimal for someone still [actively] playing the game.
-but she has been constantly "catching up". I legit feel her frustration of continually having to comb through 10 pages every day for the past few gamedays, and how she's felt absent.
-She has voted not terribly so far. She did miss Day 2 vote, even though she was around and could have voted. I don't think it's that suspicious, since she picked it back up every day thereafter (except for the Tiny night). She missed a few night polls as well, so this also seems like a genuine busy-ness. Her vote off the G-man lynch felt justified with her self-proclaimed ideology of players bandwagoning only if they has a reason.
-I feel like she reads as a backdoor civ- she hasn't shared a lot of original suspicions, but also doesn't always go with the crowd on voting.

Hedge, I hope as the thread gets lighter that you come around more.
Can you give me 3 people you might suspect right now and maybe a little bit why?

I officially endorse your analysis, although that of course means diddlysquat. I am just too busy irl and at night so tired that it's no longer fun to catch up constantly, so eventually I give up and go to sleep. I am going on vacation for 10 days tomorrow in rural Wisconsin. I have been told we have internet, but will be with a ton of family. Granted my participation cant get much worse at this point. As for suspects, I still have nutella on my list, but saw JJJ say she defended herself well, so need to check that out. Otherwise, I havent taken the time to anayze the votes as I like to do, not that we have lynched several baddies, but thats where I like to start in my analsysis usually.

I think Hedgeowl could be a member of Team Wildhorn.

Then you begin laying the groundwork for the idea that Night 8 was a missed kill...

Also, the attempt to nightkill Bass on Night 5 is confusing. I don't think that Team Wildhorn could kill on odd nights.

What confuses me more about Team Wildhorn's missed kills is that I believe that it seems to me that Jekyll & Hyde has still been targeting players.

Are you suggesting that you do not believe bubbles is jekyll? I've been trying to figure this one out for ages.

I do not. Well I will admit I could be wrong, but, for example, SVS has voted nijuu each of the last three days (including very early on today) which does line up with Jekyll and Hyde's role, and with the way things look, makes nijuu a likely target for J&H. I won't dismiss the TinyBubbles being Jekyll theory, because I understand that if it's true, someone else must be the real Sweeney Todd, and that is still a possibility. I just think that, regardless of my early theory of the LC/TB relationship, that TinyBubbles is a civilian. Also of note, Sweeney Todd gets one nightkill in the game. The fact that G-Man was not nightkilled before his lynch leads me to believe that Sweeney Todd is either an inactive player, or a relatively new player like TinyBubbles who may not feel comfortable pulling the trigger on a nightkill.

I am very much liking the cases MM and Epi have brought on hedgeowl.

If I understand MM correctly, hedge could not be jekyll? Because jekyll is active?

In which case, it should also be possible to test if hedge is B & C by way of checking when she left and not been back since. (I tend to think the unknown force could be Mr Hyde? So I'm not assuming wildhorn missed a kill - but I could well be wrong about that, I understand why 'unknown force' might sound more like a civilian ninja or independent role).

All of the baddies' kills so far have had some obvious flavor to them. Thus, I am more inclined to believe that the kill of Scotty did not come from a baddie team, nor may have it even come from another player. It could even have been role-related on his part.

I just read DF back, and I no longer think he could be on team webber. He was one of the first people to agree with my case on TGG, and was pretty consistent about it. Even before G-Man subbed in.

I also do not think he could be on team wildhorn with either FS or hedge, because those happen to have been two of his more consistent suspects. His voting for BR looks good too. I think he could be on team wildhorn, but I'd have him below splints and hedge on my radar, and I'm trying to figure out who is on team webber! Where are Webber and the Phantom hiding?

Not to discredit DF too much, but TGG left on weird terms, and may even had suggested to his teammates to throw him under the bus.

Actually, I put my theory about the Night 8 missing nightkill before I looked at Hedgeowl, not after.

Spoiler: show

Then you voted hedge. After her flip you said:

I didn't feel super compelled by the case, but there were couple things that I saw. I'll admit that I did try to fit it all into my theory.

But this game has fallen into a rut, and I think you will have noticed it too, and I was just looking for something to spark discussion. Anything. I thought about looking at Team Webber, who has been more active, but I figured it would be easier to look at Team Wildhorn, and see how the active member(s) of Team Webber respond.

You didn't feel super compelled by it? Really? Despite coming in all, Hedge ISO for the win! Exclamation point! Could have fooled me. And you here make it look like you were trying to lure out mafia members, but it seems a foolish plan to me to put a vote on someone you apparently weren't super compelled to believe was bad and we're just using as mafia bait.

Why is it a foolish plan?

Nobody was posting yesterday. Jay appeared to be silenced, so I decided to try and throw some ideas out to spearhead discussion. I thought about the possibilities, and decided to go after Team Wildhorn, mainly because of the theory I came up with. If I look at potential Team Webber players first, then we end up with a couple inactive Wildhorn members who would be difficult to find. If I went after potential Wildhorn members first, Webber has clearly been the more active team (they haven't missed a nightkill), and so it would be easier to lure them out.

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I didn't feel super compelled by the case, but there were couple things that I saw. I'll admit that I did try to fit it all into my theory.

But this game has fallen into a rut, and I think you will have noticed it too, and I was just looking for something to spark discussion. Anything. I thought about looking at Team Webber, who has been more active, but I figured it would be easier to look at Team Wildhorn, and see how the active member(s) of Team Webber respond.

A few people joined your cause soon after you mounted the case. Who among them do you feel was the least sincere in doing so? If you're town (or even anti-town on a team other than Windhorn), then someone out there capitalized on you being wrong.

Pretty much everyone that came in and stated "Wowie, these cases are so compelling, I can't even decide who to vote for between splints and Hedgeowl!"

I was surprised to see nutella claim that she and Hedgeowl were on Team Wildhorn with certainty. I didn't know there was reason to believe fingersplints was on that team. And then nutella didn't even vote.

Spacedaisy, well you already pointed her comments out. She just hopped in the game, and that post was her only post in the last 30 hours.

I don't see any reason to suspect Golden. Or rather, I see plenty of reason not to suspect Golden, and I haven't bothered considering him as a mafia.

Convenient. You find everyone who voted the same way you did as probably bad. But not you, oh no, nothing to see here, move along folks.

Four people followed my vote. One of them I didn't even mention (Epignosis). Golden, I said was not suspicious. So no, only half of the players I found suspicious, and I explained why.

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Then there is this little gem:

One important thing I intentionally left out of my original theory of Team Wildhorn that no one caught: I did not include any players that replaced in later in the game. This would include you JJJ, Spacedaisy, and SVS, but you were silenced, SVS wasn't around all day, but then there is Spacedaisy, who stated that the cases were "pretty compelling". If there's a nightkill tonight, I'd bet it's coming from her.

Nice how you set me up to take the fall for what was going to come. You set the stage for exactly what you knew was going to happen, and then when it did, you have been dancing around like it proved something. Good luck explaining your way out of it when I flip civ.

I didn't know a nightkill was going to go through last night. If one didn't, I would have much less reason to suspect you.

Spoiler: show

Finally, you comment again on your case on Hedge. You "take responsibility" but at the same time you make the outlandish claim you were just hoping someone would call you out on it as bullshit, that you act as if you knew it was, but if that were the case why would you have voted for her? This makes no sense if you are civ MM, none.

Unless there's anything else you wish to talk about Golden, I don't plan on doing any more game-related stuff this night phase. I'll be gone all day tomorrow camping, so I'll just hold off until Sunday if I'm still alive and not silenced.

JJJ was right though. I forced some points on the Hedgeowl case, so I take full responsibility for her lynch. I was just hoping someone would come in and tell me it was bullshit. Nobody did. My apologies to Hedgeowl.

Why not?

Earlier you said it was foolish. Now you say it is not civilian (and thus mafia) behavior. Does mafia do foolish things?

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Now lastly, regarding this theory of yours that there is a difference in the night kills, I see a major flaw with this. Night 2, a chandelier. Night 4, a chandelier. Night 6, a chandelier. Night 8, what do you know? A chandelier... It looks like the same team to me MM, and the only reason I can think you want to make something that seems so blatantly obvious to me look like something other than what it most likely was, is because you want to direct attention to inactives, specifically, inactives who have recently been replaced. You set the stage, giving us the narrative before it happened. I can see through it because I recognize I'm the pawn in your power play here. I am civ, lunching me will prove that. And I have yelled loud enough that I hope should they be foolish enough to follow you in this bid to lynch me, that they will at least be convinced by my flip to lynch you next. You are bad. My vote will almost certainly remain where it is until the poll ends. I hope others will see through you as well.

No.... Those kills happened on odd nights. I know the post titles can make it confusing since Scene 8 is listed at the top of the Night 7 kills, but I took the liberty of copying all of the night posts to this post, and including my interpretation of the nightkills.

And for the record, you currently have one suspicion: me. You did not call me suspicious at all until I called you as suspicious. You have gone through a lot of effort to paint me as mafia and make me look bad, but your efforts are based on an OMGUS because you believe I set you up yesterday.

[Marmot]

I'm trying to read through Dom's posts to try and make sure I am understanding them correctly not just based on MM's own recap of them and I find it thoroughly confusing right now. I am having a very hard time telling what is a day post what is a night post and what number they are. If I have misunderstood something in that, please feel free to correct me.

In the link I provided in the previous post, I quoted all of the nightkills from Dom. The only thing I had chopped from the original posts were the SINGER's songs.

[Sloonei]

Hmm thanks for the insight on MM, Daisy. You've drawn attention to some weird behavior that I wouldn't have caught otherwise. I look forward to his response.

Do you care to comment on any of the votes that have been cast against you?

[Marmot]

Sloonei, who do you want to lynch today?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, who do you want to lynch today?

nijuukyugou. But, as that is highly unlikely to happen, i can also possibly get behind Nutella, DFaraday, or Neverwhere. The state of inactivity has left us in an undesirable position

[DFaraday]

I'm back from the retreat, so still trying to catch up (on sleep and on the game). I'm going to go ahead and put my vote on Splints for right now.

And welcome back, Sloonei!

[nutella]

Hmm thanks for the insight on MM, Daisy. You've drawn attention to some weird behavior that I wouldn't have caught otherwise. I look forward to his response.

Do you care to comment on any of the votes that have been cast against you?

I already commented on the first two, and I don't think I'm going to get an explanation from Golden.

[Sloonei]

Hmm thanks for the insight on MM, Daisy. You've drawn attention to some weird behavior that I wouldn't have caught otherwise. I look forward to his response.

Do you care to comment on any of the votes that have been cast against you?

I already commented on the first two, and I don't think I'm going to get an explanation from Golden.

What about other things? How do you feel about possibly being lynched? Who are your suspects? If you've got a rainbow in you that would he nice

[nutella]

Sloonei
Golden
JJJ
SVS
Spacedaisy

Gumshoe
Niju (putting her in the middle because I was suspicious of her but am inclined to trust Golden and can see her as civ)

Devin
Epignosis
Metalmarsh

Neverwhere
DFaraday
Fingersplints

[Sloonei]

Splints has been a divisive case since the beginning of the game. A lot of people have had her as a top suspect, mainly because she's been quiet, but others, myself currently included, have been more trusting of her. I admit to not having looked into her at all since I got back. Any new thoughts you can share about why splints is bad would be very useful.

[G-Man]

Hello once more fellow Syndicateers!

Fear not- the rumors of the demise of my campaign for resurrection are vastly overstated. I am in it to win it because that's the kind of successful person I am.

In fact, I am dismayed at the recent claiming of resurrection by my opponent Sloonei. His resurrection was not decided upon in a democratic fashion, so I will be challenging the validity of whatever unilateral process brought his resurrection about. I want to see Sloonei's voting history, a decade of his tax filings, and a copy of his long-form birth certificate to verify that he is in fact eligible to even run for resurrection, let alone take office.

I mean, just look at this guy! Does he look like a successful person to you? Does he have a proven track record of success? Does he support the right issues? Does he have fabulous hair? No. His avatar is from Blue's Clues for crying out loud. Clearly his mindset is too juvenile for the position of resurrectee.

My super PAC is currently filing injunctions against Sloonei's resurrection in three separate district courts, the Court of Common Pleas, and with the United Nations Department of Political Affairs. Clearly, an injustice has occurred and we will get to the bottom of it.

Mark my words- I am not a loser. I will do everything in my power to make sure Sloonei is stripped of his unlawfully-awarded resurrection. Watch out folks- we're just getting started.

[Epignosis]

Linki: What's a wasted opportunity?

To not use your vote strategically. It isn't vacant of value right now even if it might not be your final choice.

Look at me, capitalizing sentences (and fragments) like a real boy.

Split infinitive!

You know what I hate worse than rainbow lists?

Rainbow lists that make no sense.

Sloonei
Golden
JJJ
SVS
Spacedaisy

Gumshoe
Niju (putting her in the middle because I was suspicious of her but am inclined to trust Golden and can see her as civ)

Devin
Epignosis
Metalmarsh

Neverwhere
DFaraday
Fingersplints

Gumshoe hasn't posted since Night 1. What warrants his place in your top six?

Devin hasn't posted since Night 1. What warrants his place lower than Gumshoe and nijuukyugou but higher than me?

I'm pleased to see brown was used in this "rainbow read." It's fitting.

[nutella]

It's not brown, it's.. like a.... goldenrod.

Although Gumshoe mysteriously disappeared (seriously, does anyone know how to contact him and make sure he's alive? ) I had a very civ read on him when he was around. Whereas I wouldn't be surprised if Devin was one of the inactive baddies.

As for you, sir, I don't think you've been your civ self since you replaced back in. I believe you are an indie.

[Sloonei]

Why do you believe epi is indie? And why did you have a civ read on Gumshoe? I apologize if you've already explained this, but it couldn't hurt to refresh our memories.

[fingersplints]

Golden hopping around a lot

[fingersplints]

I haven't been able to be around much, but I have skimmed some along and haven't really seen anything to change my mind about anyone yet. Still keeping an open mind, and am willing to vote for any of the people at the bottom of my list.