Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

#1881

For those of you who don't believe there can be a mafia consisting solely of humans...

I can. Don't know who the other members would be, but I can see Zarek and Felix headlining a human Mafia group, for sure.

If we're strictly following lore from the show, I'm rethinking my stance on a cylon/mafia mix team. Why? Because Number One, John, hates all humans, all of 'em.

Rico, Long Con, indiglo - Theories on other humans who could possibly be on a Zarek/Felix mafia?

indiglo - If I've missed it, sorry, but can you give a short list of susses and/or players you're feeling good about?

Linki - Yeah LC, I agree. I know I was the lone voice against your idea, but once you pointed out that the saved person wouldn't be announced, then I thought "well then why wouldn't Dee do that then?"

AND even if ika was human, that does not clear him from being mafia IMO. There are 29 players in this game, well enough for two separate mafia teams.

#1882

Matt wrote:Silverwolf - I believe all you said was "No" but for real...

Do you believe that Dee just simply didn't use her power last night? Or was blocked?

I have no idea. Blocked or didn't use it is my guess.

Matt wrote:Otherwise, I'm inclined to believe ika was indeed a Cylon.

No

#1883

Sorry for the multi-post, but I just had another thought: how could ika be a Cylon if the rez ship still exists, and ika has not been rezzed?

#1884

So say we all.

RIP ika! See ya in another galaxy!

bea wrote:
Scotty wrote:At this time, I need to make a vote and since I'm not sold on any one person and its day 1, im going with the most suspicious low poster, and that is DFaraday. He has given no other reason for being absent and has given nothing to the thread.

Voting DFaraday.
you should quit d1 voting df for low posting.

at this point - it's as null as if I randomed or of MM self voted.

No I will not. It's not just a vendetta against DF or the low posting. It's a mix of what he posts and what he doesn't post. I found him the shadiest of the low posters for his lack of usefulness to the thread or letting us know where he was or what he was going. It was one post, I know, but just from the tone of that one post on a day 1, I didn't like it. Sorry you don't agree with my day 1 voting strategy.I'm sure your vote was more informed.

nutella wrote:So Say We All!

RIP ika iywg. The conscription thing is intriguing :hmmm:

This post has less content in it than my checking account, and daddy needs new shoes.

Ricochet wrote: [snipped]
It is almost my opinion that Silverwolf is likely civilian, because of meta. As far as I understand, she would only remove ika if he would have read her bad (which according to his claims, he would have been able to do so within 2-4 pages of this game). Plus, at no point did she gave me the impression that she'd find it conceivable to trick ika, as a baddie, with the exact town tells that ika would expect of her. If Epig wants to recap or state further his lynch case on her, I'm open to hear it, but I'm starting to envision their antagonism as civ-civ, at the moment.

The fact that Epi came out swinging for Silver after his flip made me really pause. If Epi is not aligned with the bad cylons (if there is a difference) this could be a suspicion with merit. Why didn't Epi go after ika, who so valiantly stuck his sword in the proverbial stone of cylon innocence? Silver agreed with ika, but wasn't as outwardly flippant about it, maybe in more soft defending ika.

I wouldn't expect an ika NK as something Silver would do unless ika was gunning for her- he was in her pocket, so to lose him would not be a good take for her. Epi may just be wrong in his assumption.

BUT I can see Rico killing ika to quell the beast (since they both had opposing viewpoints) and Silver allowing Rico to kill ika in an attempt to get him on his back. If Silver is on a different side than ika, I wouldn't put it past her to kill him before he figures out her game.

I see Rico worse in the scenario, because I still want to believe Silver is good.

Ricochet wrote:[snipped]
2.2. I also noted bea taking a stance on Scotty's vote for DFaraday the other day and I incline to side with her. DF's low activity is certainly no uncharacteristic trait of his and his catchup posts are as generic and unpingworthy as I'd expect from other Syndicate members. Usually when the thread goes rollercoaster mode early on in the game, such members will just not how much of an issue it is to try to catch up. Of course, DFaraday is more then welcome to shift gears right now, but his Day 1, from my perspective, was benign and I would question Scotty why he handpicked DF out of several other lowposters.

I've caught DFaraday before on little more than this, and, again, his 1 post did nothing to make me feel good about him. I don't feel like I have to explain this choice with no concrete info, but I can elaborate if that will make you feel better.

Ricochet wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Post game it is fair game, but ongoing is not, imo. If you avoid mentioning it specifically, like say "I have see X do this when bad"; without saying where you saw it, that should be fine, though.
Ok.

I have seen Zebra appeal to meta in her hunts when bad. It only heightens my perception that her voting BR in Day 1 based on meta was a bit shoddy. It only heightens my perception that she might be bad.

I do not rely much at all on meta. There are some things that remind me of the way they played previously, but I find that it is not always an evidential reasoning for alignment. In this game, I'm actually leaning civ on zebra.

#1885

Ricochet wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Post game it is fair game, but ongoing is not, imo. If you avoid mentioning it specifically, like say "I have see X do this when bad"; without saying where you saw it, that should be fine, though.
Ok.

I have seen Zebra appeal to meta in her hunts when bad. It only heightens my perception that her voting BR in Day 1 based on meta was a bit shoddy. It only heightens my perception that she might be bad.

Whatchu talkin bout, Willis? He was scheduled to go at that time, and picked a spot in the checkerboard pattern. Sounds like he did his job.

Unlike you, Premature Perry.

Vompatti wrote:I wouldn't mind covering them openings if you know what I mean.

:

Vompatti wrote:D12

Long Con wrote:
Vompatti wrote:It would help if we knew what shape the ship is.
I get that some of you are treating this as a game of Battleship, thinking that perhaps the ship is 4 squares long, and we need to hit it four times on those four adjacent squares to kill it. I get that, and that's why checkerboard.

I do not think it's Battleship. I think the rez ship is in one sector alone. I think this because... these are sectors of space!! Like, big. Imagine a ship that's the size of our solar system - that's the kind of thing I would imagine taking up four squares. It's insane! The ship is a large ship that resides in a super-exponentially larger sector of space.

And yes, this is a game and these quasi-'laws of reality' don't have to apply. If Golden wanted it to be a Battleship game, then it's cool despite grinding at my sense of scale and reality.

This...actually makes sense.

Makes me wonder if the checkerboard pattern starting from A1 was thunked up by a cylon that knows the ship isn't located in the underlined pattern, thus giving them more time to be invincible...

DrumBeats wrote:So Say We All!

So wait, we do not get to know the identity of those killed? That's going to be a pain moving forward.

Yes. Are you curious about whom you NK'd hmmmmmm?

#1886

Matt wrote: AND even if ika was human, that does not clear him from being mafia IMO. There are 29 players in this game, well enough for two separate mafia teams.

NO

#1887

Scotty wrote:So say we all.

See, this guy's a human.

#1888

Long Con wrote:Sorry for the multi-post, but I just had another thought: how could ika be a Cylon if the rez ship still exists, and ika has not been rezzed?

He could be a Cylon who was on board the Galactica, and he wasn't close enough to the rezz ship. I could be wrong but I thought the Cylons had to be close enough to the Rezz ship in order to be rezzed?

#1889

Long Con wrote:
Scotty wrote:So say we all.
See, this guy's a human.

I have emotions and feelings, dammit!

I think you are human too, LC. Wanna make like humans and cut down the rainforest?

#1890

Long Con wrote:Sorry for the multi-post, but I just had another thought: how could ika be a Cylon if the rez ship still exists, and ika has not been rezzed?

He's human. He's not mafia either.

#1891

So say we all.

Matt wrote:For those of you who don't believe there can be a mafia consisting solely of humans...

I can. Don't know who the other members would be, but I can see Zarek and Felix headlining a human Mafia group, for sure.

If we're strictly following lore from the show, I'm rethinking my stance on a cylon/mafia mix team. Why? Because Number One, John, hates all humans, all of 'em.

Rico, Long Con, indiglo - Theories on other humans who could possibly be on a Zarek/Felix mafia?

indiglo - If I've missed it, sorry, but can you give a short list of susses and/or players you're feeling good about?

Linki - Yeah LC, I agree. I know I was the lone voice against your idea, but once you pointed out that the saved person wouldn't be announced, then I thought "well then why wouldn't Dee do that then?"

AND even if ika was human, that does not clear him from being mafia IMO. There are 29 players in this game, well enough for two separate mafia teams.

This is a wacky idea but I don't doubt that it's possible.

#1892

Scotty wrote:I wouldn't expect an ika NK as something Silver would do unless ika was gunning for her- he was in her pocket, so to lose him would not be a good take for her. Epi may just be wrong in his assumption.

BUT I can see Rico killing ika to quell the beast (since they both had opposing viewpoints) and Silver allowing Rico to kill ika in an attempt to get him on his back. If Silver is on a different side than ika, I wouldn't put it past her to kill him before he figures out her game.

The thing with nightkilling ika is: everyone's a suspect!!

Amirite? I'd bust out another "so say we all" on that, but I don't want to overdo it.

#1893

Matt wrote:
Long Con wrote:Sorry for the multi-post, but I just had another thought: how could ika be a Cylon if the rez ship still exists, and ika has not been rezzed?
He could be a Cylon who was on board the Galactica, and he wasn't close enough to the rezz ship. I could be wrong but I thought the Cylons had to be close enough to the Rezz ship in order to be rezzed?

Ok, that is one valid theory. It is clear that being aboard Galactica vs not being on board is a factor in this game.

Scotty wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Scotty wrote:So say we all.
See, this guy's a human.
I have emotions and feelings, dammit!

I think you are human too, LC. Wanna make like humans and cut down the rainforest?

*fires up chainsaw* Hell yes!

Wanna make an "I'll-kill-you-if-you-are-Final-Five-and-you-do-the-same-for-me" pact as well?

#1894

Silverwolf wrote:
Long Con wrote:Sorry for the multi-post, but I just had another thought: how could ika be a Cylon if the rez ship still exists, and ika has not been rezzed?
He's human. He's not mafia either.

I'd say it doesn't matter much anymore...I mean that's what I WOULD say if it weren't for the likely possibility of human resurrection in this game!

#1895

Epignosis wrote:I'd like to talk about 3J. He is laying traps rather than provoking honest discussion.

What traps have I laid, and how is this comment relevant to what you said otherwise in this post?

Epignosis wrote:His vote for me and the post before it leads me to believe that he wanted to escape the accusation that he was avoiding the wagons (a silly accusation, that, but one that has gained increasing currency these past several months). He allowed the votes of others to dictate where he voted, and I would like to explore a scenario that has heretofore passed without discussion: That JaggedJimmyJay cast a vote to save Ricochet.

When there are leading wagons, I tend to pick one of them. This is something I have said plenty of times in past games that you've played in. People can agree or disagree with the strategy, but it is definitely nothing new. I think avoiding the primary wagons is usually just a waste of a vote, because it ensures that one's vote will have no impact upon the outcome. As the day phase progressed towards its end, the top wagons emerging were you and Ricochet.

Epignosis wrote:Why was I a better lynch than Ricochet?

Did I save Ricochet? I guess you could say so, sure. I thought you were more suspicious than he was, and I think that ought to have been clear given the discussions that were fielded. I spent a lot of time talking to you and talking to Silverwolf for the sole purpose of taking a side in that argument, and I took hers. Ricochet wasn't someone I had much interest in lynching at all.

There was also the bit where you asked for votes to be spared the rest of this game (and I understood why). That made my choice pretty easy.

#1896

My opinion of what ika is: dead.

Moving on.

#1897

Now I have to get work done (because I'm at work) and I have to organize my notes. Don't go adding 10 more pages on me now! :P

#1898

indiglo wrote:I am not currently comfortable with JJJ. And I believe there are several others who feel the same way. He has been missing several details, and that just doesn't seem like careful JJJ.

What are the "several details" I have missed, and why does my apparent carefulness or lack-thereof mean something to you?

indiglo wrote:I believe Epi mentioned the possibility of JJJ casting a vote to save Rico... I'm not sure how I feel about that. But I definitely felt like JJJ was holding his vote to see where others voted. Which, many times, points to mafia.

Yes, I was holding my vote to see where others voted. I only get to vote once in this game, and I waited until it was time. In games with changeable votes, it's quite common for me to place late votes in the exact same manner -- except it will be a moved vote instead of my first vote. When I am unable to coordinate vote movement, that means I have to judge the tally based upon exactly how it stands and then make the one call I think is best under the circumstances. That's what I did.

#1899

Long Con wrote:
Matt wrote:
Long Con wrote:Sorry for the multi-post, but I just had another thought: how could ika be a Cylon if the rez ship still exists, and ika has not been rezzed?
He could be a Cylon who was on board the Galactica, and he wasn't close enough to the rezz ship. I could be wrong but I thought the Cylons had to be close enough to the Rezz ship in order to be rezzed?
Ok, that is one valid theory. It is clear that being aboard Galactica vs not being on board is a factor in this game.

Wait, tho. Athena was on board the Galactica and was rezzed.

When Epi was lynched, we hadn't started the mission yet.

The last square that was officially checked was D5 before ika was killed. Perhaps D5 was too far away from the Rezz ship? In that case, perhaps we should be checking off all of the A's and B's first before anything.

Btw I'm spit balling here. Nothing I'm saying I even fully agree with, just spit balling.

#1900

Nerolunar wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Well done Juliets And so say we all, I completely forgot ...

Im entertaining the idea that JJJ might be bad. He seems to strive to look P50, but it feels forced. Thats only tone though, I can barely remember anything he has said. Although that might be a point in itself. Im feeling good about Rico though.

What does everyone think of JJJ?
No real read on him yet for me. What's P50?
He was using a sock named Prisoner 950 in Turf Wars. He was as supertown as anyone can get, and he is nowhere as close to that here. To me, it looks like he is trying to imitate the tone and line of play he exhibited in Turf Wars, but it doesn´t look genuine imo.

These are the standards I am held to.

No, I'm definitely not playing as hard as I did in Turf Wars, where I fininished with 1,100 posts in only about 6 cycles of play. I don't have the energy to be that guy in every single game. The "imitation" you're talking about is bunk, I am imitating myself. I'm me. This is how I talk, and this is how I play. What about it strikes you as insincere?

#1901

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Well done Juliets And so say we all, I completely forgot ...

Im entertaining the idea that JJJ might be bad. He seems to strive to look P50, but it feels forced. Thats only tone though, I can barely remember anything he has said. Although that might be a point in itself. Im feeling good about Rico though.

What does everyone think of JJJ?
No real read on him yet for me. What's P50?
He was using a sock named Prisoner 950 in Turf Wars. He was as supertown as anyone can get, and he is nowhere as close to that here. To me, it looks like he is trying to imitate the tone and line of play he exhibited in Turf Wars, but it doesn´t look genuine imo.
These are the standards I am held to.

No, I'm definitely not playing as hard as I did in Turf Wars, where I fininished with 1,100 posts in only about 6 cycles of play. I don't have the energy to be that guy in every single game. The "imitation" you're talking about is bunk, I am imitating myself. I'm me. This is how I talk, and this is how I play. What about it strikes you as insincere?

A song for JJJ:

:P

#1902

Long Con wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Well done Juliets And so say we all, I completely forgot ...

Im entertaining the idea that JJJ might be bad. He seems to strive to look P50, but it feels forced. Thats only tone though, I can barely remember anything he has said. Although that might be a point in itself. Im feeling good about Rico though.

What does everyone think of JJJ?
No real read on him yet for me. What's P50?
He was using a sock named Prisoner 950 in Turf Wars. He was as supertown as anyone can get, and he is nowhere as close to that here. To me, it looks like he is trying to imitate the tone and line of play he exhibited in Turf Wars, but it doesn´t look genuine imo.
I'll take a look at his posts and see what I think. What flavour of supatown was he? Extra-helpful? Strong-accusational? Good-vibes-guy?

He was the person who(maybe apart from Sloonei) had an eye for the grand scheme of things. Making GTH-exercises, coming up with logical scumteam combinations, spearheading and processing the suspicions of the group and Im sure there is more.

Here he seems to want to be in the back of things, observing and commenting instead of leading. I guess it is an unfair expectation to have of you JJJ to lead in every game, but Im noting the differences and trying to see if its alignment indicative. It might be.

#1903

indiglo wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
indiglo wrote:
juliets wrote:Send sortie to C3
Good work!

Up next at 5:49pm EST we have no one scheduled. If anyone wants to cover it, feel free to speak up.

LC, would you like to take that timeslot? If you're unavailable I will do my best to cover it if no one else volunteers.
I can do it. It's good to have a name in there. What sector again? Checkerboard pattern?
Unless someone tells me differently I'll do F4 at the next time of 5:49 PM Eastern.
Awesome! I'm happy to take the 11:49pm EST today also. I'll set a reminder on my phone if I'm not already here. Thanks G-Man

>May 8, 11:47 pm EST - ika, A1
>May 9, 5:47 5:49 am EST - ika, A3
>May 9, 11:49 am EST - indiglo, A5 LC, D5
>May 9, 5:49 pm EST - Silverwolf, A5
>May 9, 11:49 pm EST - Marmot, E3
>May 10, 5:49 am EST - SVS, B2
>May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets, C3

May 10, 5:49 pm EST - SW, F4
May 10, 11:49 pm EST - indiglo
May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico
May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 11, 5:49 pm EST -
May 11, 11:49 pm EST -

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

I think we should try either E1 or F6 just because those are in areas of dead space that a larger ship could easily fit. IMO, it would give us a better chance of hitting something large. (If it's small, then it doesn't really matter where we hit but those areas are still the most open.)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My opinion of what ika is: dead.

Moving on.

For serious.

I'm fairly sure I know who I'm voting for today already, I'm just going to wait a while before I say it to see what else they offer me in way of evidence.

FWIW, I think it's odd that the mafia would take out Ika because Ika was probably getting lynched today. Why waste a kill like that? I hate to go all WIFOM but as a mafia, I'd never, ever night kill a player who was stirring the pot and everyone was threatening to lynch the next day. Makes me think either that wasn't the mafia, it wasn't planned that way, or they just really got sick of reading the back and forth. I suppose the last option is the most likely one, but still. Something I'm tucking away for now.

#1904

EBWOP or B6 or F2. Just somewhere in those large gaps.

#1905

I suspect nutella.

Spoiler: show

Her first contributory post (not related to the pre-game puzzle) was this, in which she cast suspicion upon ika for his treatment of Silverwolf. This alone isn't necessarily an issue, given that this is (I think?) her first exposure to that dynamic. The progression will be more important as I continue.

I responded to this post solely with a popcorn emoji in anticipation of the firestorm that might follow. She noticed:

nutella wrote:JJJ, why the popcorn?

And I told her why.

Spoiler: show

This is the first moment that troubles me. I made her aware that her initial reception of the ika/Silverwolf dynamic was quite common for people new to it, and this was her response. She stuck to her guns in spite of their history (as she said) which strikes me as inordinately stubborn based upon what she said immediately after. If it's established as common behavior, and she is willing to concede that to me, then her unwillingness to budge, seems to me a curious thing -- particularly when "unshakeability" was how she described ika.

Spoiler: show

You could buy that my capitalization of the word "plan" is relevant to my alignment? Matt is Matt, and you are not.

Spoiler: show

Later she did move on the ika read but without saying why. She called him "incredibly annoying", which I suppose I can assume is for similar reasons to the suspicions she expressed prior. I'd like to know why she moved away from "suspicious" and toward "annoying", because the distinction is important.

Spoiler: show

Suspicious at face value. There is no reason to say this.

Spoiler: show

She claimed her vote would have gone to Epignosis (who had flipped cylon and for at least a moment to some people he appeared to be a confirmed baddie, this is important context). She only mentioned him once prior, in the form of a vaguely stated suspicion that she never revisited:

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote:OK, caught up, what an adventure. And shame on me for posting before catching up and thereby missing another so say we all.

Spoiler: show
nutella wrote:God damn this is by far the most asinine mafia thread I have ever had to read.
Suspicious at face value. In my experience baddies are more proned to make this sort of sweeping negative comment as a way of feigning frustration without poking any specific player to incite retaliation.

Spoiler: show
nutella wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
Somebody tell me how in the hell I scumhunt if we are going to assume anyone is town or scum? WTF am I supposed to do in this game then?
For starters, stop shutting down the opinions of those who are used to complicated set ups. Those of us that have been playing here and on Syndicate's Cousin Sites are used to set ups in which good and bad isn't all that clear cut. This is just another variation on our normal.

To be plain, I would be absolutely shocked and disappointed if this were a simple game of civ v mafia. That simply wouldn't make sense given the description, the roles, and the general expectation of this site (with a game like this with no win conditions listed--there are certainly civ v mafia games, but they are described as such).

It's a different skill set, to be sure, to find baddies in such a game. Perhaps it could be useful if this is entirely unfamiliar to listen to those for whom this is not unfamiliar territory.
Yes, this. We have had numerous games that were not simply black and white "town" versus "scum" because honestly that gets really boring after a while. SW, ika, this may be new for you but try to keep an open mind about what a mafia game can look like and how complex the alignment system can get, and also maybe pay some attention to those who have show-lore-knowledge that might help understand such complexity for this particular game. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but show some flexibility and open-mindedness because that is how we play here. You are welcome to your opinions but please don't be rude about them or try to shove them down people's throats.
I don't know that nutella followed her own advice here, because her immediate treatment of Epignosis post-lynch has been to call him a "confirmed baddie" and lament that we cannot lynch him again right now with the resurrection ship in play. That'd put her squarely in ika's strategic camp, but she's admonishing him (and Silverwolf) for holding tight to it.

Spoiler: show
nutella wrote:So Say We All!

RIP ika iywg. The conscription thing is intriguing :hmmm:

Suspicious at face value for the same reason "interesting" has been said to be.

~~~

Generally I don't think nutella has been entirely consistent in her mindset (consider that it's her mindset I'm talking about and not her reads), which suggests to me that she might be making it up as she goes. I think some of her content is just suspicious at face value, and moreover her rate of participation is right about where I'd expect most of the baddies to be in a game that has moved as fast as this one.

#1906

Trying to correct that spoiler flub from the above nutella ISO:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Spoiler: show
nutella wrote:God damn this is by far the most asinine mafia thread I have ever had to read.
Suspicious at face value. In my experience baddies are more proned to make this sort of sweeping negative comment as a way of feigning frustration without poking any specific player to incite retaliation.

Spoiler: show
nutella wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
Somebody tell me how in the hell I scumhunt if we are going to assume anyone is town or scum? WTF am I supposed to do in this game then?
For starters, stop shutting down the opinions of those who are used to complicated set ups. Those of us that have been playing here and on Syndicate's Cousin Sites are used to set ups in which good and bad isn't all that clear cut. This is just another variation on our normal.

To be plain, I would be absolutely shocked and disappointed if this were a simple game of civ v mafia. That simply wouldn't make sense given the description, the roles, and the general expectation of this site (with a game like this with no win conditions listed--there are certainly civ v mafia games, but they are described as such).

It's a different skill set, to be sure, to find baddies in such a game. Perhaps it could be useful if this is entirely unfamiliar to listen to those for whom this is not unfamiliar territory.
Yes, this. We have had numerous games that were not simply black and white "town" versus "scum" because honestly that gets really boring after a while. SW, ika, this may be new for you but try to keep an open mind about what a mafia game can look like and how complex the alignment system can get, and also maybe pay some attention to those who have show-lore-knowledge that might help understand such complexity for this particular game. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but show some flexibility and open-mindedness because that is how we play here. You are welcome to your opinions but please don't be rude about them or try to shove them down people's throats.
I don't know that nutella followed her own advice here, because her immediate treatment of Epignosis post-lynch has been to call him a "confirmed baddie" and lament that we cannot lynch him again right now with the resurrection ship in play. That'd put her squarely in ika's strategic camp, but she's admonishing him (and Silverwolf) for holding tight to it.

Spoiler: show
nutella wrote:So Say We All!

RIP ika iywg. The conscription thing is intriguing :hmmm:
Suspicious at face value for the same reason "interesting" has been said to be.

~~~

Generally I don't think nutella has been entirely consistent in her mindset (consider that it's her mindset I'm talking about and not her reads), which suggests to me that she might be making it up as she goes. I think some of her content is just suspicious at face value, and moreover her rate of participation is right about where I'd expect most of the baddies to be in a game that has moved as fast as this one.

#1907

Nerolunar wrote:Here he seems to want to be in the back of things, observing and commenting instead of leading. I guess it is an unfair expectation to have of you JJJ to lead in every game, but Im noting the differences and trying to see if its alignment indicative. It might be.

Leadership is something I pride myself in, and I think on Day 1 in this game I exhibited it. I probably didn't on Night 1 or so far in Day 2 because I've hardly been here -- to lead requires consistent presence. I think I have the third or fourth most posts in this game right now, so again: this is the standard. I am treated similarly to low-content posters when I have 100 posts on Day 2.

#1908

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'd like to talk about 3J. He is laying traps rather than provoking honest discussion.
What traps have I laid, and how is this comment relevant to what you said otherwise in this post?

You're a puppy shooter.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:His vote for me and the post before it leads me to believe that he wanted to escape the accusation that he was avoiding the wagons (a silly accusation, that, but one that has gained increasing currency these past several months). He allowed the votes of others to dictate where he voted, and I would like to explore a scenario that has heretofore passed without discussion: That JaggedJimmyJay cast a vote to save Ricochet.
When there are leading wagons, I tend to pick one of them. This is something I have said plenty of times in past games that you've played in. People can agree or disagree with the strategy, but it is definitely nothing new. I think avoiding the primary wagons is usually just a waste of a vote, because it ensures that one's vote will have no impact upon the outcome. As the day phase progressed towards its end, the top wagons emerging were you and Ricochet.

Do you consider two or three votes a bandwagon? I don't. That's why I called out Silverwolf for saying I was fighting the leading "wagon" when it only became a "wagon" because she put a second vote on me (and, uh...it's me in the lead- hell yes I'm going to fight it).

This was no runaway train. Anyone could have come forth at any time with a fresh perspective on anybody with one or zero votes. You were present, and you are someone I would expect to provide those fresh perspectives and challenge people for their votes. Instead you bowed your head and shrugged your shoulders and declared that it's either Rico or me for Day 1, when the two of us were only leading a field of viable candidates by one or two votes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Why was I a better lynch than Ricochet?
Did I save Ricochet? I guess you could say so, sure. I thought you were more suspicious than he was, and I think that ought to have been clear given the discussions that were fielded. I spent a lot of time talking to you and talking to Silverwolf for the sole purpose of taking a side in that argument, and I took hers. Ricochet wasn't someone I had much interest in lynching at all.

There was also the bit where you asked for votes to be spared the rest of this game (and I understood why). That made my choice pretty easy.

Votes to be spared the rest of the game? What do you mean? Can you quote a post for me?

#1909

Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'd like to talk about 3J. He is laying traps rather than provoking honest discussion.
What traps have I laid, and how is this comment relevant to what you said otherwise in this post?
You're a puppy shooter.

Your analogy of me shooting a puppy would imply that you are a puppy -- affirmed to be innocent and vulnerable. You're not. You're a player in this game whose alignment I do not know, and who I lynched because I thought there was a valid reason to lynch you. That persists into Day 2. You're behaving like you're a confirmed townie, or whatever the equivalent of a townie is in this game.

Epignosis wrote:Do you consider two or three votes a bandwagon? I don't. That's why I called out Silverwolf for saying I was fighting the leading "wagon" when it only became a "wagon" because she put a second vote on me (and, uh...it's me in the lead- hell yes I'm going to fight it).

This was no runaway train. Anyone could have come forth at any time with a fresh perspective on anybody with one or zero votes. You were present, and you are someone I would expect to provide those fresh perspectives and challenge people for their votes. Instead you bowed your head and shrugged your shoulders and declared that it's either Rico or me for Day 1, when the two of us were only leading a field of viable candidates by one or two votes.

Fresh perspectives don't come with 25-40 minutes left in a day phase when the vast majority of votes that would be placed had already been placed. You're talking about how I might behave in a scenario where votes can be changed. The entire concept of an EOD is very different when votes cannot be changed, and my own voting behavior is different too. Leading bandwagons can indeed smaller in this kind of game, because when the votes are spread so much as they were on Day 1 -- there aren't terribly many left in the field to be placed. I don't know who is present to place a vote, who will miss a vote, or any of that. I see two candidates who are absolutely the most likely to be lynched under those circumstances, and I pick one.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Why was I a better lynch than Ricochet?
Did I save Ricochet? I guess you could say so, sure. I thought you were more suspicious than he was, and I think that ought to have been clear given the discussions that were fielded. I spent a lot of time talking to you and talking to Silverwolf for the sole purpose of taking a side in that argument, and I took hers. Ricochet wasn't someone I had much interest in lynching at all.

There was also the bit where you asked for votes to be spared the rest of this game (and I understood why). That made my choice pretty easy.

Votes to be spared the rest of the game? What do you mean? Can you quote a post for me?[/quote]

I'm talking about this and the mess leading to it:

Epignosis wrote:Please vote for me. I do not want to be in the game anymore.

#1910

Epignosis wrote:Please vote for me. I do not want to be in the game anymore.

Sunday 11:13 PM

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:VOTE EPIGNOSIS

I think he'd be a better lynch than Ricochet, and it might just be for the best under the circumstances anyway. I really hate the way this EOD has worked out.

His vote 4 minutes later, 11:17 PM

#1911

S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Please vote for me. I do not want to be in the game anymore.
Sunday 11:13 PM

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:VOTE EPIGNOSIS

I think he'd be a better lynch than Ricochet, and it might just be for the best under the circumstances anyway. I really hate the way this EOD has worked out.
His vote 4 minutes later, 11:17 PM

Oh, I see. The syntax of that sentence was ambiguous. I thought he was saying I wanted the votes themselves to be spared.

#1912

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Here he seems to want to be in the back of things, observing and commenting instead of leading. I guess it is an unfair expectation to have of you JJJ to lead in every game, but Im noting the differences and trying to see if its alignment indicative. It might be.
Leadership is something I pride myself in, and I think on Day 1 in this game I exhibited it. I probably didn't on Night 1 or so far in Day 2 because I've hardly been here -- to lead requires consistent presence. I think I have the third or fourth most posts in this game right now, so again: this is the standard. I am treated similarly to low-content posters when I have 100 posts on Day 2.

Oh well, If you say so. I must admit that your recent case of Nutella reminded you more of p50. Im not sure how I feel about you at the moment, but I will have to think about it for a while I think.

My suspicion of Inawordyes still lingers, and probably will too when he gets replaced. @Golden any luck?

#1913

When Epi was then lynched & revealed, in retrospect, I thought that maybe he WANTED to be lynched becasue he knew he would come back & be revealed a friendly Cylon

#1914

Nerolunar wrote:Oh well, If you say so. I must admit that your recent case of Nutella reminded you more of p50. Im not sure how I feel about you at the moment, but I will have to think about it for a while I think.

My suspicion of Inawordyes still lingers, and probably will too when he gets replaced. @Golden any luck?

You see? All I have to do is make a big post filled with words and spoiler bars.

Do you find anything I said about nutella to be agreeable? I'm also willing to call Inawordyes a suspect merely because inactivity was shown to be within his baddie repertoire in the scrimmage. It's hard to have much confidence in that though without any actual content to judge.

#1915

S~V~S wrote:When Epi was then lynched & revealed, in retrospect, I thought that maybe he WANTED to be lynched becasue he knew he would come back & be revealed a friendly Cylon

Is that to imply that you think Epi wanted to self-reveal as a good guy or as the appearance of a good guy?

#1916

S~V~S wrote:When Epi was then lynched & revealed, in retrospect, I thought that maybe he WANTED to be lynched becasue he knew he would come back & be revealed a friendly Cylon

As of this point in time I believe Epi to be a town friendly cylon. I'm having difficulty with suspicions though. Nobody is standing out. I'm going to read nutella to see if I can buy JJJ's case. Besides JJJ with nutella has anyone else got a strong feeling about anyone? (OA I saw your suspicion of LC and someone else - I'm going into your posts to refresh myself on the "why" of your suspicions.)

#1917

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey Golden, who performed the nightkill?

Is that a play by Stephen Sondheim? Perhaps you should ask Dom, he's more familiar with theatre.

#1918

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
S~V~S wrote:When Epi was then lynched & revealed, in retrospect, I thought that maybe he WANTED to be lynched becasue he knew he would come back & be revealed a friendly Cylon
Is that to imply that you think Epi wanted to self-reveal as a good guy or as the appearance of a good guy?

I wasn't sure. His reaction to being rezzed 15 minutes after asking to be lynched was:

Epignosis wrote:Did the post actually say So say we all?

I'm not sure.

at 11:28

then

Epignosis wrote:I'm in it for the long haul. If you want to lynch me Day 2 is up to you.

at 11:29.

At that stage I thought he was a rezzed cylon baddie, and then the show lore people stepped in to explain the character.

So I went from one (bad) to the other extreme (potentially good) but still kind of thought he knew he was coming back. For someone who was just asking to be lynched 15 minutes ago, his reaction to living was not what I expected. With everything else I doubt there is a Seemer, so I am thinking he is actually not bad.

#1919

S~V~S wrote:When Epi was then lynched & revealed, in retrospect, I thought that maybe he WANTED to be lynched becasue he knew he would come back & be revealed a friendly Cylon

I can assure you that wasn't the case. I was initially indignant about taking votes for the "reasons" (

) I was taking them, and then later I was bowing out. I had no expectation of returning.

#1920

juliets wrote:I'm having difficulty with suspicions though. Nobody is standing out.

I believe you. I haven't found much grounding in this game yet and it's been difficult to identify content that might actually bear some indication of alignment. I feel like I'm swimming in neutrality, which is striking given the emotional charge this game has seen at points.

If I get the opportunity I hope to just start churning out some ISOs if even just to figure out who warrants more focus.

#1921

You have found and destroyed a resurrection ship in square B2. Hot Dog and Kat have returned alive.

#1922

Golden wrote:You have found and destroyed a resurrection ship in square B2. Hot Dog and Kat have returned alive.

"A" resurrection ship? Are there more? Does the search go on?

#1923

Long Con wrote:Host, will we know that the kill rebounded? Or will it just look like a kill on the new target was intended?

It won't be publicly apparent.

#1924

Back from the TV interview (which felt like shit, but my peeps at home said it went well), gonna eat (it's only past 10:30pm) and then catchup.

#1925

*salutes Hot Dog and Kat*

Way to be, nuggets!!

#1926

juliets wrote:
S~V~S wrote:When Epi was then lynched & revealed, in retrospect, I thought that maybe he WANTED to be lynched becasue he knew he would come back & be revealed a friendly Cylon
As of this point in time I believe Epi to be a town friendly cylon. I'm having difficulty with suspicions though. Nobody is standing out. I'm going to read nutella to see if I can buy JJJ's case. Besides JJJ with nutella has anyone else got a strong feeling about anyone? (OA I saw your suspicion of LC and someone else - I'm going into your posts to refresh myself on the "why" of your suspicions.)

I'm leaving my current suspicion in my pocket until much closer to the vote. Want to gather more evidence before I present my case.

#1927

ok understood. Does that mean you have dropped your past suspicions or would you rather not say?

#1928

ObscureAllure wrote:
juliets wrote:
S~V~S wrote:When Epi was then lynched & revealed, in retrospect, I thought that maybe he WANTED to be lynched becasue he knew he would come back & be revealed a friendly Cylon
As of this point in time I believe Epi to be a town friendly cylon. I'm having difficulty with suspicions though. Nobody is standing out. I'm going to read nutella to see if I can buy JJJ's case. Besides JJJ with nutella has anyone else got a strong feeling about anyone? (OA I saw your suspicion of LC and someone else - I'm going into your posts to refresh myself on the "why" of your suspicions.)
I'm leaving my current suspicion in my pocket until much closer to the vote. Want to gather more evidence before I present my case.

That's odd.

1. If you present at least a little bit of your case now, perhaps others will agree and you can help convince town to lynch whomever you think is scum.

2. That's a bit unfair to your suss, yes? Not giving them any time for rebuttal?

As of who I'm looking at, I dunno. I admit I've been knee deep thinking about the mechanics of this game, and I was ready to pull the trigger on Ika today before he was destroyed over night.

Rico, Indi, Long Con (I keep referring to these three, but if anyone else knows the lore of the show, speak up and I'll include you in these little questions as well) - Do you think it's possible that Boomer's role power could include appearing as Athena upon death? I want want want to believe Epi is Athena and civ, but I know in the show, both Boomer and Athena pretended to be the other at different points, so I'm not ruling this out as a possibility.

#1929

Ricochet wrote:
Golden wrote:You have found and destroyed a resurrection ship in square B2. Hot Dog and Kat have returned alive.

"A" resurrection ship? Are there more? Does the search go on?

Yeah, Golden's wording leads me to believe that one resurrection was destroyed. Does this mean there is more than one? Do I still need to have him search when my time comes up today or is this it?

#1930

Silverwolf wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Golden wrote:You have found and destroyed a resurrection ship in square B2. Hot Dog and Kat have returned alive.

"A" resurrection ship? Are there more? Does the search go on?
Yeah, Golden's wording leads me to believe that one resurrection was destroyed. Does this mean there is more than one? Do I still need to have him search when my time comes up today or is this it?

I'm sure there is more, or Golden would've officially said the event was over.

What we want to get, and hopefully we will, is the HUB. I believe destroying that will destroy all Rezz ships.

Who be you lynching today?