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Dragon D. Luffy
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30%
Made
0
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Ricochet
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Russtifinko
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10%
Cancer (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
6
60%
 
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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We just recently go home and I am catching up.
Cookie wrote:Ok, I have not been very active in this game at all and I am truly very sorry for that, guys. Like, I've been reading the thread and somewhat keeping up with it (I usually have 4 or 5 pages to catch up on). As I go to respond to someone's posts with theories or questions, someone else has already addressed the same thing. Should I post it anyway? I usually have things typed up and ready to post, and I continue reading and someone has posted the same thing. Yesterday I posted I was catching up but I didn't even post anything because all had been addressed by the time I had finished reading.
This happens to em all the time.
Cookie wrote:I originally did not find Golden to be suspicious and I still do not find him the most suspicious out of all players (not listed in the poll), however, his vote to tie the vote for Sloonei and (I don't remember who... Niju?) makes me think that his attempt was to prevent Sloonei from getting voted out. It's very weak, I know. Someone later said that Golden is a more experienced player and would not do something so inept. So I just don't know who else to vote as there is not enough information against anyone else, in my opinion.
I understand that Golden looks bad b/c of when and who he voted for. However, I have seen this situation before where it was just coincidence and the player turned out civ. So, it's hard for the to place my vote on Golden when its only his vote that makes him look like he could be bad. I see nothing wrong with his posts.

I am on the fence about LC.
DharmaHelper wrote:I voted for LC. This game really started at an awkward time for me and the 24 hour Days isn't helping me get my footing. I am trying though and I should have some things to say in the near future.
So you really don't express a reason for voting LC. Why did you vote him?

MM's self vote makes me want to vote him too. His continuous self votes bug me.

And Russ. No suspicions there.

So, I guess my vote goes to MM today.
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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ooo, looks like I created a tie. Who's gonna com break it :)
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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I see a sock lurking. :smoky:
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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A sock, a rabbi, and a golden (whatever a golden is) walk into a mafia vote...
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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A golden fish?
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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LoRab wrote:A sock, a rabbi, and a golden (whatever a golden is) walk into a mafia vote...
:D

you coulda gone with kiwi.
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Golden wrote:
LoRab wrote:A sock, a rabbi, and a golden (whatever a golden is) walk into a mafia vote...
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you coulda gone with kiwi.
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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MP--want to decide how to play this out?

Obviously Golden votes MM. One of us then can vote MM, and it's back to a tie. Which leaves the other of us to decide where the vote goes. Or we both vote for one person. Or you just descide to screw it and not vote. What's your thinking on this, mr sock?
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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I fell MP would probably have voted by now so I'm assuming his silence comes with an inability to vote?
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In fact, looking at the role derf, I think it's pretty clear MP can't vote.
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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Oh, wait, except he's sileneced and has no vote. (realized that as you were typing it. yay linkitis!)

Golden, I'm voting for you. I expect you to vote for MM. We'll let the powers that be decide what happens next. Seems like the fairest thing to do. Although scariest.
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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There'es still russti, rico, espers...

I'm hoping at least one of them might come along and believe me.
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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If it makes you feel better, it's not that I disbelieve you. In a regular lying, I'd probably not have lynched you. I'm also always curious what happens with a tie.

Seems you need to vote regardless of their coming back.

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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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Just in case...

My rainbow

Quite suspect

DDL - please everyone look at the approach he has taken to me. I don't think it's sincere.
Cookie - Might just be struggling with a game in which everyone is active. Could also be struggling with being bad? Not sure how often she has been bad?
Timmer - Deborah. Need I say more

Slightly pingy

espers - only because he claimed he didn't get what MM got
MM - because he claimed to get something and noone else has (didn't think about this earlier, but it makes me more comfortable with an MM vote)
Lorab - wasn't a fan of her bringing up lie detector about the G-Man thing
DH - because of his lack of much of anything

neutral

Russti - haven't seen much here yet
Rico - enigma

Slightly town

Bass - feeling good about him
MP - has done some random things, but overall feels like civ MP to me
Ninja - despite my early reservations, since then I've liked what I've seen
G-Man - I think his effort to comment on everything as he catched up is sincere and good town work
LC - overall feeling decent about him so far.

quite a bit town

Elo - I'm liking her this game
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I wouldn't tunnel on DDL, its not like I have info, but I'd really look at him very hard - challenge him, people!
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Also, I hate voting for MM when he self-voted, but sometimes thats just what you have to do.

I seriously considered voting myself just to put some of the people in my lynch train on rohrshachs list. I think they wanted me to be the easy vote, some of them.
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And I think llama may have been the comedian. It's why he went all supatown.
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Can't wait to hear MP's thoughts, I don't think he would have voted for me.
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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I agree on llama being likely the comedian.

Go ahead, challenge me. If anything, might help me point out the mafiosos among you. :feb:
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The delay makes me wonder if it is an individual person who breaks the tie.
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Re: Watchmen [POLLS]

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Who murdered thellama73?

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Golden
5
timmer (6), Long Con (7), Cookie (8), Dragon D. Luffy (9), LoRab (16)
29%

MetalMarsh89
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Metalmarsh89 (5), Bass_the_Clever (13), nijuukyugou (14), Elohcin (15), Golden (17)
29%

Russtifinko
1
G-Man (11)
6%

Long Con
1
DharmaHelper (12)
6%

Mothman (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
5
Epignosis (1), thellama73 (2), juliets (3), Scotty (4), Mooby (10)
29%


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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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Epi has just updated the Poll thread.
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Well poo. Death sucks. Good luck!
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I would like to say, however, that the used condom on the sidewalk was nothing to do with me.
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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Golden wrote:Well poo. Death sucks. Good luck!
Tell me about it. :sigh:
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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Re: Watchmen [Day 2]

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Damn. Looks like I was wrong. Sorry Golden, and RIP. I guess that makes it the third consecutive time I've failed to read you in a mafia game.

I like how the first civ lynch in the game is announced by Rorsrarch. Ominous. :puppy:
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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RIP Golden. That was painful to watch. We lost a huge asset today, both role and player. I voiced my opinion late into Night 1 that I thought it seemed very unlike your mafia game, despite having to inevitably still put you in the "very slight mafia" category, and would have very likely fought to go a different direction today. Going into the Day, I would have almost certainly argued to vote Long Con, since I've been feeling OK enough about Metalmarsh and Russtifinko. However, Long Con really produced today, and Russtifinko did not, so... in the end, I would have gone with Russtifinko, although he is far from my top suspect by any means, assuming there was no tie. Otherwise, I suppose I would have voted for Metalmarsh, though I wouldn't have wanted to at all. Golden, perhaps you can take comfort in that your death was very much like politics, with the masses selecting what they saw as the lesser of various terrible options. Or maybe not. :P Nonetheless, I'm really going to miss your insight.

I was very disheartened when I saw that Nite Owl II (most likely), or Nite Owl I (less likely), or Moloch (????) used the ability to shrink the poll options to four today. IMO, it was an incredibly poor move, especially coming off of the lynch of a talkative mafia on D1, where analyzing all players today would have been optimal. I also do not think the four players selected were chosen well, and I think that all four very well could be civilians. Oh well.

I very strongly suggest we analyze players' interactions with Sloonei going into D3, but I realize that it is difficult when phases are only 24 hours, and obviously everyone has RL, and the thread has been talkative. Believe it or not, I'm busy myself.

I'm more than willing to be analyzed and subjected to questioning, since I understand there are those of you who find my actions questionable. I can understand why. Nonetheless, I want to respond to those posts and require some further explanation, since I don't fully understand the accusations.

I will thus first focus on discussion with Long Con and G-Man, the two players who seemed to throw around heat in my direction toDay. I will then respond to a few posts made by others, then provide an updated rainbow list with my accompanied thoughts.

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1) Discussion with Long Con

Alright, Long Con, I have just a few questions for you. It's refreshing to see you active this Day period. Missed having you on Day 1.
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Scotty wrote:LC, since you've caught up a bit, do you have any suspicions on anyone?
Yes, I suspect Bass, Lorab, Elohcin, and Golden. They're my top four right now, but I'm only caught up to when you asked this question. Maybe later in this post I'll change for some reason. Read on and see!
Are those players you listed here still your top four suspicions? Well, top three since Golden is now gone...

Can you elaborate upon those suspicions? I'm not entirely clear on your thoughts.
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Long Con wrote:So, I will have to go to work in a short time, and won't be back until after the lynch is up. Here's my Rainbow list for today's lynch: Golden, Russtifinko, Metalmarsh, Long Con. Sorry, Golden, but the limited options... you're my only suspicion of the four candidates.

*vote Golden*
Here is your Rainbow List of the four on the poll. Do you feel comfortable making such a list for more or all of the players? I'm intrigued where your thoughts lie across the board.

You also said:
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MP wrote:Speaking of DharmaHelper, can you elaborate on any of the reads you have made just yet, or are you still forming them? I've noted what you've said thus far, but I'm a bit unclear on whom you're considering for your vote at the moment.
I am not sure what to think of Scotty, personally. Something about him is giving me pings, but I don't feel comfortable right now voting for him, since it's 100% a gut read and I'd have a hard time building a case around it.

The crowd you asked about originally (Llama, DDL, G-Man, etc) have my eye as well, and I'd maybe put a vote in there. I still haven't gotten to the sloonei thing yet, so I don't know too much about that. Timmer's self vote is frustrating but I feel like there's enough discussion to put a vote somewhere else.

My read on you is kind of odd. You are way too agreeable and friendly, for one thing, like you're afraid to ruffle feathers and you want to get on everyone's good side. Your massive posts also skeeve me out. You are reminding me of me, when I'm bad and I want to take the leadership role in the thread.
Intriguing observation. Especially considering MP's absolving himself from voting Sloonei and then tacking a mid-to-late vote on Scotty to bring him within one vote of Sloonei and tied with Niju.
Agreed on this one, MP is on my suspicion list as well. Fantastic Day 1 lynch, to see such close margins and still get a baddie![/quote]
What exactly is it you suspect me for? I can guess what you agree with here, but I am not entirely sure what you find of my behavior that is suspect, and what you would want me to respond to.

Are there any specific concerns or questions you wish for me to address?

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2) Discussion with G-Man

Now for G-Man. First, I want to say that I very much look forward to your Day 1 and Day 2 vote analysis. I think that's a great idea. I miss your technicolor lists already.

I want to ask everyone: Am I the only one that got a hostile vibe from some of G-Man's posts today, notably the ones directed towards me? I can't discern whether it's because G-Man dislikes the way I play or whether he is being manipulative or if he is just feeling salty for whatever other reason and it's leaking through into his diction.

G-Man, I had to chop up your posts since I didn't want to spoiler them in bulk, since they were large. Hope that's OK.
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G-Man wrote:Hey hey, back from the campground. Still catching up but I'm on Page 12, where the vote deadline looms eminent. Very interesting to read through. Here are some thoughts and observations:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Scotty wrote:I'm still combing through 5 more pages to respond to, and I will, but for now, I'm voting Ehlo. Someone asked if DDL seemed "comfortable" and I don't really know what that means in respect to DDL because no one was really suspecting him. But ehlo's recent response seems comfortable and jokey, and it's standing out to me right now.

I also do not find anything Sloonei doing in this game different than the last game. Granted, I don't know if he was civ in that game, but it also doesn't ping me.
Can you explain why you think this makes her mafia?

Can you answer my question, when you get a chance, about whether Metalmarsh's behavior being unhelpful makes him mafia or not? You've made quite a few comments saying that regarding him, but made no issuance of whether you suspected him or not, or anything like that.
Your questions to Scotty are lose-lose questions. Perhaps he simply finds MM's unhelpful behavior frustrating. You seem to be asking him to make a judgement call on MM based off of one aspect of his play. That's an unfair question. You can be frustrated with someone's behavior while still feeling neutral about them. I'm going to keep an eye out for other poor questions from MP.
How are they lose-lose questions? I was asking for clarification. I did not understand why Scotty kept going on about Metalmarsh's behavior being "unhelpful" if he wasn't going to commit to a read on Metalmarsh. Likewise, I didn't understand his suspicion of Elo at all, and still don't, and it felt like to me he was inconsistent and going after an easy target. So I asked for clarification as to how his observations made Elo suspect/mafia, not just odd or ironic.

How is my question regarding MM "unfair"?

Sure, of course, someone can be frustrated while feeling neutral, but that's why I asked Scotty -- he seemed to really keep harping on MM being unhelpful, and I didn't understand how Scotty was viewing MM.

It's almost like you're angry at me here for asking questions, trying to have Scotty explain his views. Scotty spent most of Day 1 not committing to civilian or mafia reads, so I was trying to get him to do so, or at least, explain why he had no such reads.
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G-Man wrote:Hey hey, back from the campground. Still catching up but I'm on Page 12, where the vote deadline looms eminent. Very interesting to read through. Here are some thoughts and observations:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm going to go ahead and vote Scotty. His buddying up to MP pinged me at first. MP pointed out that Scotty has been part of the discussion with out throwing out any of his own suspects. He also made a big deal about me voting late in B.O.B and he has yet to vote so I found that odd.
What do you think of his Elo vote, now that he has voted?
I really don't understand why he would vote that way when he said he was looking at people who weren't posting. Elo has posted more the LC so why not vote LC.
I agree. I think you're onto something, Bass.

I think Scotty's Elo vote seems disingenuous. I actually am leaning toward casting my vote there.

His vote is super weak reasoning to me, like he had to come up with SOME reason to justify a vote:
Scotty wrote:I'm still combing through 5 more pages to respond to, and I will, but for now, I'm voting Ehlo. Someone asked if DDL seemed "comfortable" and I don't really know what that means in respect to DDL because no one was really suspecting him. But ehlo's recent response seems comfortable and jokey, and it's standing out to me right now.

I also do not find anything Sloonei doing in this game different than the last game. Granted, I don't know if he was civ in that game, but it also doesn't ping me.
Hence why I asked him to elaborate here.

He doesn't even say why "comfortable and jokey" from Elo makes her likely to be a member of the mafia. He says it's "standing out", but again, how does that mean he is casting his vote for someone that he thinks is bad?

Even further, he makes no mention of Elo being a low poster as the reason for his vote, which I find odd, since he called her out for being a low poster, and here he emphasizes he is focusing on no shows.

Combine that with the fact that he kept harping on MM being "unhelpful", which is something I've done in past games as a mafia to try to take advantage of his unconventional playstyle, yet refusing to issue an issue of suspicion on him, and I'm really starting to suspect Scotty.
I'm starting to worry about you, MP. This sudden "a-ha" moment on Scotty feels forced and flimsy. I feel like I understood what Scotty was trying to say about Elo's demeanor. Either you're overthinking things far too much or you're trying to manufacture a case against Scotty.
Forced and flimsy? How so?

You understood? Can you elaborate then? Because I still don't understand the point he was trying to make. Maybe you can elucidate the matter for me then. :)

Why is my behavior explained by only those two scenarios? Which scenario do you think is more likely? Because, as you continue posting throughout the Day, it seems you more and more heavily imply the latter, as if you already knew the answer to your own set of two scenarios.
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There's a case on Scotty? I think I missed it. Anyone with a reminder or link to the case?

MP, your policy of underlining names to direct things to people is super helpful, btw.
I found the "case" on Scotty to be weak (at least MP's justification for voting Scotty). I'll have to go back and look for any potential buddying up to MP though.
You find my thoughts on Scotty to be weak. That's more than fair. What other thoughts did you find weak on Day 1? Any?

Did you ever go back and look for the buddying? If so, what did you find?
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G-Man wrote: MP criticized a few people who voted Sloonei because something felt off about him and they could not put it into words to MP's liking. Two of those people have experience playing with Sloonei in the past I believe (Dragon and espers), so I find MP's criticism to be weak. We put forth reasons for why he did not suspect Sloonei without it feeling like a defense- I would think an experienced player like MP would know how to do that effectively. As of right now, I suspect MP of being Sloonei's teammate. He ran with early suspicion but indirectly defended Sloonei with posts explaining why his suspicion of Sloonei broke down. He went into detail and going into detail is a sneaky way to be persuasive without being obvious about it. I'm watching you, bro.
Quotes, ASAP, please. Where did I criticize people?

I'm more than willing to admit that I wasn't able to pull the trigger on my suspicion of Sloonei. That much should be clear.

I always go into detail as much as I can about anything I do. It's called transparency. You know me well.

Am I your top pick for a teammate of Sloonei? If so, why? If not, who is?
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Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I agree. I think you're onto something, Bass.

I think Scotty's Elo vote seems disingenuous. I actually am leaning toward casting my vote there.

His vote is super weak reasoning to me, like he had to come up with SOME reason to justify a vote:
Scotty wrote:I'm still combing through 5 more pages to respond to, and I will, but for now, I'm voting Ehlo. Someone asked if DDL seemed "comfortable" and I don't really know what that means in respect to DDL because no one was really suspecting him. But ehlo's recent response seems comfortable and jokey, and it's standing out to me right now.

I also do not find anything Sloonei doing in this game different than the last game. Granted, I don't know if he was civ in that game, but it also doesn't ping me.
Hence why I asked him to elaborate here.

He doesn't even say why "comfortable and jokey" from Elo makes her likely to be a member of the mafia. He says it's "standing out", but again, how does that mean he is casting his vote for someone that he thinks is bad?

Even further, he makes no mention of Elo being a low poster as the reason for his vote, which I find odd, since he called her out for being a low poster, and here he emphasizes he is focusing on no shows.

Combine that with the fact that he kept harping on MM being "unhelpful", which is something I've done in past games as a mafia to try to take advantage of his unconventional playstyle, yet refusing to issue an issue of suspicion on him, and I'm really starting to suspect Scotty.
Here's the skivvy. Bass said I was buddying up with MP early on for giving an agreement on day 1 philosophies. Then I went to work. While I was away, Bass asked me why I haven't voted yet (that was weird btw). I got back at 8, didn't realize the poll ended at 9, so I tried to read through the 6 pages I missed, still answering now, though had to throw my strongest suspicion out early before the poll ended.

"he makes no mention of Elo being a low poster as the reason for his vote, which I find odd, since he called her out for being a low poster," I thought I did do that, by pointing out Elo's hypocritical rhetoric of being a low poster.

MP, you had all day to take a position on someone, you had your pretty rainbow lists, and yet in the last 30 minutes when I didn't have enough time to explain myself, you jump on this logic? THAT is suspicious.

"Combine that with the fact that he kept harping on MM being "unhelpful", which is something I've done in past games as a mafia to try to take advantage of his unconventional playstyle"
I don't know what his conventional playstyle is. How can I take advantage of that? MM is a conundrum. At a gut read, I don't trust him because he STILL hasn't answered why he even mentioned that he got something from Day 0 PMs, and he's still playing that vague playstyle that COULD be good or COULD be bad.

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MovingPictures07 wrote: Scotty, don't sweat it. I can empathize. I'm sorry I voted for you today suddenly (well, only if you're mafia, but either way I hate voting someone out of nowhere on Day 1), but I wasn't feeling too confident in any of my reads, and your vote pinged me pretty bad. I really look forward to hearing what you have to contribute later on, if you do survive.
Then why did you do it. Out of all the cases, you chose to vote for me because you suddenly had a realization in the last few minutes? My case for Elo is far more substantiated with my viewpoints on Day 1 than your case for me
I feel like this post by Scotty is pretty solid.
Why?
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Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Nice picture, Llama!

Scotty, my bad, didn't realize you were unfamiliar with the terminology. OMGUS and NO U are essentially the same. OMGUS stands for "Oh My God You Suck", which was popularized in the greater mafia community, whereas NO U tended to be what was always used in my mafia history. It refers to when you respond to a case against you by turning around and suspecting the player that accused you, and is generally seen to be a desperate or suspicious tactic, particularly if the content of the rebuttal is suspect.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm turning on you in the past few minutes because of the manner of which you voted me. I'm not suspecting/OMGUS/NO U for Bass, because he's been actively attempting to come after me, which I think is a notable civ move. It's the wrong civ move, because I think his argument centered around "buddying" around you is rather weak (though it is Day 1. Everything's gonna be bloody weak). You've been waffling on GMan all day, and I guess were willing to latch onto whoever seemed the most tunneled. THAT seems like mafia behavior, tbh.
Ah, have to respond to this first, then I'm gone.

You know what seems like mafia behavior?

Spending all of Day 1 waiting. Waiting to see if anyone would no show. Not issuing a single affirmative opinion about any other player, despite posting considerably. Then voting for Elo, over an even lower poster, because of a "jokey" post and apparently because she ironically is one of the lower posters in the thread despite wanting to vote out low posters. Never explaining how that makes her mafia. Never explaining your thought process with transparency. Never answering my questions. Never explaining if you think Metalmarsh's behavior as "unhelpful" makes him either civilian or mafia. You still refuse to do that. Then you turn on me at the last minute merely because I caught onto your incredibly weak vote and explained all of this as to why I suspect you?

I didn't "latch" onto anything. If you think you were the most tunneled player on Day 1, you are severely mistaken.

I definitely think you're bad.
You know what else seems like mafia behavior? Turning your verbosity into a bully pulpit to demand responses from people who have lives and then using a lack of response to multiple questions as evidence to justify a vote. Not answering a question isn't always indicative of alignment. You should know better. I feel like I understood where Scotty was coming from but you required every detail to be spelled out for you in no uncertain terms. And if it isn't, well then that just shows how "bad" he is, right? Just because you like to write a book every six or seven posts doesn't mean you can expect the same out of everyone else. You set the bar so high when grilling someone that it is impossible for you to be satisfied. I feel like that is normal for you but this time it feels different and I'm going to keep calling you out on it every time I see it occur.

Until I find evidence to the contrary, I definitely think you're bad.
You think I'm bullying people? That is not my intention.

Where did I say that answering a question is always indicative of alignment? You're reading into my words.

You did! That's great. It's unfortunate you couldn't say so during Day 1. I cast my vote in the best way that I could. I was more than willing to reexamine Scotty today, hopefully with as little tunneling as possible, but he died overnight.

I did require him to elaborate, yes, because I felt he was fabricating his thoughts.

It is not impossible for me to be satisfied. Nonetheless, I'll keep what you have to say here into consideration when I ask questions.

What is normal for me? How is this different? Can you use more specific adjectives? Calling me out on what?

This post reads like you just find issue with my playing style and posting frequency more so than anything. I apologize you don't like my posts this game, but I'm only trying to baddie hunt.

As I asked Long Con, can you explain what exactly is it you suspect me for?

Are there any specific concerns or questions you wish for me to address?

Lastly, I want to apologize if you feel that I've been counterproductive this game, but I have been trying to reinvent my style for the past few months. I have always been a high poster, but after seeing game after game of my civilian play tunneling players aggressively, and having much going on in my life anymore, I was feeling very burned out on mafia. Jay talked me into playing a game (Peanuts) on RYM and that game singlehandedly reignited my passion in mafia, since I came into contact with town-collaboration and had BTSC with Jay in that game, and I saw many of the ways he approached the game were much better versions of what I always wanted to make my civilian game. Consequently, my playstyle is still very much my own, and I can't help but get super into the game, because I have an obsessive personality and I love mafia. I also have a tendency to aggressively tunnel, and I have a very hard time shaking tunnel vision, but it's an issue I fully recognize and I'm trying to actively deal with, since in the past 5 years it has led to very mixed, bordering on consistently poor results. So I mean it when I say I take your comments to heart, and I hope I can continue to improve going forward, with yours and others' commentary.

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timmer, when you get the chance, can you elaborate on these two posts?
timmer wrote:Quickly reading through the four lynchees before my guests wake up. Read Long Con. I see nothing wrong with his posts at all.
timmer wrote:Russ was a quick read. I see nothing wrong in his posts at all.

So I will vote Golden, I don't see any reason not to and it's now or never for my vote today.
What do you mean by "nothing wrong"? Do you have Long Con and Russtifinko as civilian reads or neutral reads? How confident are you? What is it that made you not find fault with their post histories?
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Golden

This isn't black and white. I may think you are my biggest suspect, and that you are the best one among the four I have to pick from, but I'd be foolish to be 100% sure if you are mafia. And if you're gonna accuse me, I have to defend myself. If I'm right and you're mafia, then no problem, I'm safe. But if I'm wrong, I'd better start defusing the bomb you're trying to plant on me.

And the reason I voted earlier is that I always do that. I hate voting late, because I know I'll look bad because of it regardless of whether I lynch civ or bad. I'd rather vote earlier and risk my neck, and show I put my vote where my mouth is.
Dragon D. Luffy, can you elaborate on your assertion here and provide evidence? You say you always "do that", as in vote early. I find it difficult to recall from the couple of games I've played with you. I want to see proof!

Also, you say you "may think" Golden is your biggest suspect. Was he or wasn't he?

What are your suspects? Would you be willing and able to give me a Rainbow List?
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LoRab wrote:I actually think of Golden as being more careful a player as a civ than as a baddie--I love having civie golden on my side. I'm not sure I'm seeing that.

MM went along with sloonei, so that doesn't look great. Russtifinko I have no idea. LC I already said before I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for the moment because he's asking good questions and bringing things up others aren't--but I have an eye on him.

I could vote MM to create a tie, just for fun. Maybe I'll see where the vote is when we get close.

I don't like this whole choice of 4 thing. Especially not this early. Meh.
LoRab, can you explain and/or substantiate this? I'm not sure what you mean by Golden being more "careful" as a civilian.
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Golden wrote:And I think llama may have been the comedian. It's why he went all supatown.
Golden, I was thinking Llama was the Comedian as well. I hope so.

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MP's Rainbow List - Night 2 (~24 Hours Remaining)
Changed the colors up a bit to make it look more like a rainbow! :yay:

I also removed the "No read or unsure", so that I HAD to commit to at least some read for every player.

This is how I am currently feeling about everyone in the game:
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MovingPictures07 wrote:TASTE THE RAINBOW

nijuukyugou

Long Con

Bass_the_Clever
Metalmarsh89


Elohcin
Ricochet


Cookie
DharmaHelper
Dragon D. Luffy
LoRab
Russtifinko
timmer


espers
G-Man


For reference:
Very strong civilian read
Strong civilian read
Moderate civilian read
Slight civilian read
Very slight civilian read
Very slight mafia read
Slight mafia read
Moderate mafia read
Strong mafia read
Very strong mafia read
Random comments:

- My list is a bit lospided. I have an array of very slight to strong town reads, yet a bunch of very slight and slight mafia reads... which I suppose makes sense, but leaves me feeling more strong about various town feels than about my suspect feels, which is a bit problematic when voting to lynch out suspicious players, rather than voting to save strong town reads. Sigh.

- nijuukyugou is my new top read, and I'm willing to take a strong stand. She seems consistently genuine, her hesitance to pile onto Golden today bodes well, and her vote from D1 still stands out as very strong. That said, I hope to see even more baddie hunting from her. And I still am going to continue to examine and question her intentions as much as everyone else, if not even more so, but right now I have to admit that she looks better than all the rest of you. :srsnod:

- I really liked Long Con's increased activity today. Going into today, I viewed him with skepticism since he missed the Day 1 vote, and he hadn't been able to get into the game. He seemed genuine in baddie hunting today, though I hope to hear even more from him going forward.

- Bass remains about the same, based on my gut interpretation of his baddie hunting carried over at end of Night 1, whereas Metalmarsh is now on par with him, despite having to leave early into Day 2, and self-voting, since he seems genuinely concerned with helping the town, despite his vague and intentionally mysterious demeanor. I actually think Metalmarsh would not have self-voted if he were in the position of being only 1 of 2 members left on the mafia team. Of course, these two reads are both "gut"-based, and should be reaffirmed by a thorough examination of their posts.

- Elohcin remains at very slight civilian read, I feel as though I thought about her less than the rest of players today... need to look at her posts ISO going into Day 3. She could decrease due to interactions from Sloonei, which I recall looking pretty bad. Otherwise, she seemed genuine to me, and unlike her baddie or even SK self (Economics), so she's one of my toughest reads.

- Ricochet has remained the same despite a lack of D2 activity (which he did warn us about, but I inevitably have to take it into consideration), based on the strength of earlier contributions, but I want to see what he's thinking.

- Dragon D. Luffy drops from slight civilian read all the way to very slight mafia read due to his Golden vote today, and the fact that he did little other baddie hunting (I realize others didn't either, but he posted plenty). I'm taking Golden's advice heavily into account and think he should be analyzed heavily going into the new Day period. Nonetheless, I am a bit hesitant to commit to more than a very slight mafia read at this time, since there have been more instances where I thought he seemed similar to Economics DDL versus Guess Who? DDL. I need to ISO his posts and mull over why it is I feel that way.

- I feel about the same about Russtifinko, I suppose, but inevitably have to drop him to very slight mafia read. I'm wondering what else he's thinking, hopefully this will catch his attention. He (due to RL, as he stated), wasn't able to contribute much today, and thus there isn't much to really base any thoughts off of just yet, although it isn't as though he hasn't contributed his thoughts when he's been able. That's fine. I have to say, I was a bit surprised to see the general consensus civilian reads from some on Russtifinko. I mean, I don't really feel bad about him, but it seems at least half of the thread found that there's nothing suspicious with him. Why is this?

- Still can't really make heads or tails of Cookie, LoRab, and timmer -- these have been the hardest players to read so far for me. Does anyone have any thoughts on them that they wish to share that they haven't already? I inevitably dropped Cookie and timmer because of their 'early' Golden votes. I understand if they had to vote early because of RL, but nonetheless, with a civilian Golden flip, their votes look worse. I also dropped LoRab, since I can't make heads or tails of her AT ALL, and it's a bit worrisome. I really have no clue what to think of her behavior toward the end of the lynch.

- I've dropped DharmaHelper from very slight civilian read to very slight mafia read because I have not seen enough baddie hunting and suspect elaboration from him.

- Unfortunately, I don't feel I made any progress with my two most pronounced mafia reads today. They are both still only "slight" mafia reads.

--- I suppose I feel the same about espers. His vote from D1 still seems like a teammate bussing possibility, but it's hard to tell. He had a good plan with analyzing interactions with Sloonei, but hasn't delivered (which I understand, it is very time consuming, it's not like anyone else has really delivered on that front either). He missed the D2 vote and contributed practically nothing, so I don't know what to make of that. I wish he would post more of his thoughts. I have a hard time really suspecting him though, other than for his Day 1 vote, and for posting in the low/medium range.

--- I suppose I feel the same about G-Man. I am enjoying G-Man's activity, even though he made many posts against me today and they bothered me at first, but I wish he would increase baddie hunt, and I echo DDL's comment that his "catch up" seemed very mafia coolkid-like. I do understand G-Man's desire to comment on these matters, but I feel his commentary was lacking a bit with regards to suspects, other than his posts against me. Regarding his posts on me, I'm having trouble discerning whether they are coming from a place of general frustration and suspicion, or whether he is hoping to set up my lynch in an opportunistic fashion, which would be a bold move. Further interaction with G-Man will be necessary to determine this. Nonetheless, he's still "slight", especially since I recognize he takes a slow attempt to the game, and his careful consideration of Golden today warrants mention.

Alright, folks, there it is. Sorry, I know it's a lot, but I've been crafting all of my thoughts throughout the day off and on in between working on various tasks.

Not sure how my contributions will be for Night 2 and Day 3. Very likely I won't be able to contribute nearly up to what I have so far. I've been sacrificing much time to do so. Lol. I'll see what I can do. Still have to meet that Monday deadline and I have other work to accomplish. Wedding is in 3 weeks, which is amazing, but it means I have to finish a bunch of PhD work before I leave for Ohio.
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Note to self:

Never silence the sock. Ever.

Gonna answer to your questions tomorrow, after I get some rest.
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Show of hands. Now be honest. Who finds themselves only skimming MP's posts? Sorry, MP had to ask :) Love ya man!
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As I noted, I understand it's a lot, but I wouldn't say something if I didn't think it was worth saying. Of course, that's my opinion. I also am trying to make my posts as readable as possible. That said, if you all really want to skim my posts, so be it, I can't stop you. :sigh: :p
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To be fair I only skipped the parts where you argue with Long Con and G-Man, because I treasure my own sanity. But I've read everything else.
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I'll respond to MP in a separate post, this is my catchup post with thoughts and questions from along the way. I do tend to skim sometimes, but I've made more of an effort to really read, reference, and understand even long long posts.
nijuukyugou wrote:Catching up via phone now, but will post more substantially later. BoB has reignited my wariness of easy bandwagons, and I'm not liking how this poll is looking so far.
How did the poll look when you said this?
G-Man wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Golden wrote:Well, I read Sloonei's responses to you differently than you did. I'm not sure which of us is wrong. I thought he was saying it was you he found suspicious in BoB, but he hasn't been able to determine whether or not it is relevant because Epi 2.0 is still alive and we don't know his role.

At this point, I'd say I'm highly likely to vote for Ninja today. The only other real issue I have is with G-Man, and I think I've talked myself out of that. I need to revisit the LoRab stuff about lie detectors more closely before I pursue that.
Golden pings me here, equivocating on Sloonei, and then pushing three other suspects. G-Man could be a Sloonei teammate based on this post.
Bwa-huh? How so? (This may eliminate that proposed Day 3 immunity)
Oh, damn... sorry, that should say "Golden could be a Sloonei teammate based on this post". Sorry, old chap. There's nothing about this post that connects you, G-Man, to Sloonei. I just mixed up my G's.

If I had meant to say that, then you would have been showing up in my suspicion lists. :srsnod:
LoRab wrote:I also meant to say earlier that there hasn't been a lot of discussion about LC's point earlier about it being somewhat strange that Night Owl chose this power to use so early, before knowing any information. With bringing up ideas like that he's either working for the town or he's the biggest of the bads--I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Can you explain your logic here please?
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This one's for MP.
Are those players you listed here still your top four suspicions? Well, top three since Golden is now gone...

Can you elaborate upon those suspicions? I'm not entirely clear on your thoughts.
The Bass and Lorab suspicions are based on the fact that both of them tried to put suspicion on G-Man for his "lie detector statements". I think that it is an easy way to throttle suspicion on G-Man in a way that sounds really civ-oriented, but analysis of the things he said makes it pretty clear that, IF he were speaking specifically for lie detection purposes, then his statements are legit. And if he was not speaking directly to the lie detector (which I believe), then it's even less relevant to attack him for it.

So, Bass and Lorab look bad to me for it. "Opportunistic" is the adjective I see bandied about a lot that probably describes it best. It seemed like a low-hanging fruit, but that fruit was dried up and devoid of nutrients. But they attacked him for it anyway.

The Elohcin suspicion... I believe that the core of it is in relation to Sloonei. I'll be honest, I haven't gone back and reread exactly how it went, but a few people have commented on the way she was suspicious of Sloonei when you were, and then dropped it when you did. That would qualify as some good starter-distancing from a baddie teammate. Like I said, I believe that's how it went because it seems to be an accepted fact, and not because I went back to track the Sloonei suspicion and how you and Elo travelled through it.

Obviously Golden was not a baddie, so he's off. You are my other suspicion, but this post was written in pieces and my time is up now... time for bed. Pretty much about the way you handled your opinions of Sloonei, I think - suspected him, but didn't pull the trigger on Day 1. You deserve a reread and full analysis though (I'm sure you'll demand no less!), so that will have to wait.
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MP- I want to tell you right up front that I will probably not answer your questions/respond to your comments in that huge post of yours until Day 3. I have a limited window of time this afternoon and I intend to commit that time to reviewing Day 2 again and working on my vote analysis for Day 1 & 2. Technicolor takes time. I am not ignoring you. I just don't have time to bend over backwards for all the quotes/adjectives/answers/justifications/etc. that you require from me. I may even skip some things because going backwards for you prevents me from moving forward for the rest of the players.

As for my attitude, I fully own up to being a grouch. Part of it is that I've realized that I am struggling to maintain a healthy work/RL-to-game balance given the responsibilities set at my feet. Part of it is that I'm still pissed about losing that response post. For the latter, I realize that I need to Snoop Dogg & Elsa my bitterness. Yet another part of it is my frustration for not coming up with anything fun to do. It was a mistake to go back to STV G-Man mode but it's too late now. I'm giving in to the beast for the remainder of this game. I don't want you to think I am attacking you personally. I merely have a zero-tolerance policy for anything that seems sketchy.
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DDL, it's not an argument, it's a discussion. :P

LC, much thanks! :) If you have any thoughts on anyone else, I'm curious.

G-Man, don't sweat it. I understand I've been probably putting too much into the game, and I'll try to make more of a conscious effort of how much I ask of other players. Frankly, the last thing I want to do is distract from baddie hunting, so please, feel free to respond to as little or as much of what I said there as you want, especially since the post is just a combination of all the thoughts that went through my head during Day 2.

Henceforth I'm going to concentrate on analyzing interactions between Sloonei, because there is a gold mine of evidence that has yet to be thoroughly examined.
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sorry I missed the deadline and day 2 discussion. i shouldn't have any more dry spells like that, but the timing of the phases is awkward for me because much of the real-time, rapid-fire interaction seems to take place in the window between 1am-7am or so, when i'm asleep.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I was very disheartened when I saw that Nite Owl II (most likely), or Nite Owl I (less likely), or Moloch (????) used the ability to shrink the poll options to four today. IMO, it was an incredibly poor move, especially coming off of the lynch of a talkative mafia on D1, where analyzing all players today would have been optimal. I also do not think the four players selected were chosen well, and I think that all four very well could be civilians. Oh well.
this is interesting. what makes you think Moloch might have the power to appropriate the night actions of others? i'm wondering if that sort of thing is common here or if you have inside information, because I certainly wouldn't have thought of a possibility like that on my own steam.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I self-voted. I don't feel comfortable voting anyone else right now, and I have to place my vote now.
Metalmarsh, i'd like to know your rationale for this. I saw in rym #86 that you like your WIFOM, but I can't really make any sense of a person self-voting from my perspective. were you really that afraid of missing the vote?

there's not a lot that stands out from day 2, which I guess is what happens when discussion is centralised around four people. hopefully the day's content will become more illuminating in the context of future interactions and flips.

I was planning to start on the Sloonei analyses tonight, but I ended up watching Steven Universe in the two hours I had free, so i'll do them at the start of the next Day assuming i'm still alive.

linki: hi MP. it's almost midnight so I'm heading off for the night, will be ready to contribute more in the morning.
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Hi espers!

That's a good question. I really have no idea what Moloch's powers could be, but he's shrouded with mystery, so anything is possible, hence why I threw him in there. If I recall correctly, I believe someone else brought up the same possibility, because I remember reading it at some point yesterday. Regarding whether power copying is common, I wouldn't say it's common, but it definitely happens often enough to warrant consideration.
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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Well, I must be crazy. A quick search of the word "Moloch" during Day 2 doesn't bring much of anything. I guess it was my idea then. :P
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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G-Man wrote:As for my attitude, I fully own up to being a grouch. Part of it is that I've realized that I am struggling to maintain a healthy work/RL-to-game balance given the responsibilities set at my feet. Part of it is that I'm still pissed about losing that response post. For the latter, I realize that I need to Snoop Dogg & Elsa my bitterness. Yet another part of it is my frustration for not coming up with anything fun to do. It was a mistake to go back to STV G-Man mode but it's too late now. I'm giving in to the beast for the remainder of this game. I don't want you to think I am attacking you personally. I merely have a zero-tolerance policy for anything that seems sketchy.
This guy... this guy shouldn't even be playing. I mean, he's a beloved longtime member of our community, but his wife doesn't look too fondly upon the time required for Mafia. I treasure each minute he is able to give us. :noble: Losing posts happens, and it is important to drop it like it's hot, and just let it go. Did I get it right?
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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Interactions between Elohcin and Sloonei

NOTE: This is NOT a case. It is merely an overview of all interactions Elohcin had with Sloonei.

I started with Elohcin because her interactions with Sloonei have been thrown around, so I think it would be prudent to look at the specific posts. I won't have time to do these for every player, and I'm sure I don't do a very good job, so I implore others to examine everyone further, myself included.
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Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
You're telling me you've never voted low posters for the sake of them being low posters?
Hello, Elo! Glad to be playing with you again. I assure you that I won't rage at you this time. :p

That is a very good question. Thinking back through the last 5 years of mafia games, it is difficult for me to answer that question one way or the other with absolute confidence. Off the top of my head, I cannot recall any instances where I voted a player on Day 1 solely for being a low poster. It's more possible I did so as the game progressed. There may have been one or two in the last few years. I almost always find a reason for my Day 1 vote, and that alone has gotten me heat significantly in the past, since players found such reasons to be "forced" or "trying too hard". That said, I haven't come up against that accusation in the past year or so as much as I used to.

Regarding how I feel anymore about voting low or no posters on Day 1, I tend to prefer voting a no show over a low poster on Day 1, especially if that player seems unlikely to show subsequently, and has not given any reason for their absence. If instead we leave that person alive, then every day that goes by and they still do not show, they are not helping the civilians via discussion or voting, even if they are civilian, and they become an element that can never be analyzed at crucial later stages of the game (like LyLo). This is in contrast to a low poster, who has shown up in the thread, and is contributing to the game, even if very barely. I prefer to give those players at least a couple of Days until I consider lynching them for lack of content, since at least there is room to analyze their behavior. Of course, both of these depend on a case by case situation, and what the low poster says may cause me to find them suspicious in the content itself. Likewise, there may be reasons to vote someone I genuinely suspect over a no or low poster.

Does that answer your question adequately?
Nope. I don't think you elaborated enough. :p
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nijuukyugou wrote:WHAT HAVE YOU ALL DONE WHY ARE THERE ALREADY 7 PAGES :faint:

I'm going to bed. I'll catch up with this tomorrow :offtobed:
You know, I've been in bed now for 2 hours. One of the biggest mistakes I ever made was bringing my laptop with me. Good on you, ninja
I bring my laptop to bed with me just about every night. Mafia and/or tv are great activities for after I put the kids to bed.
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
G-Man wrote:I've got about 10 more minutes before I unplug for the night. Any questions?
Are you a member of mafia?
I am not a member of the mafia.
I am not Moloch.
My role does not pose a threat to the civvies.
Interesting phrasing. Not "I am a civvie" but "My role does not pose a threat"
You know....I thought the same thing when I read his post. I didn't say anything b/c I wanted to watch his behavior and see what I could observe.

@G-Man - Are you a civilian?


So...overall, my reads are....
I am feeling good about:
Cookie - she seems too overwhelmed to have a team.
DDL - seems too comfortable to be bad atm
MP - very friendly and helpful which seems good to me
Golden - I have a hard time reading golden often, but I *think* I am seeing a good golden

I am feeling uneasy about:
G-Man - does not claim to be civ (may be a watchman - those with the additional win condition) but possibly Mafia
Sloonei - Just something about him reads scummy to me. Can't put my finger on it.

I still have no clue who I will vote today. There are still so many quiet players. But, time to go burn some calories :workit: I will be back later.

linki niju - :haha: :haha: :haha:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
For anyone that has ANY reads whatsoever, that hasn't voiced them yet, I am literally dying to hear them. I'm incredibly intrigued.
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Oh dear. You might want to get to a doctor :eek:
Here is Elo's first interaction with Sloonei; it is her third post overall and her first where she names any thoughts on other players. I bolded/underlined the relevant portion.
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Elohcin wrote:Sloonei, as I read all your posts together, I am failing to find anything that sticks out to me as scummy. I am not sure what gave me that vibe while reading the thread. I will table this gut feeling for now.

Reading through your posts did give me this though...
Sloonei wrote:The two games i've played with G-man were Economics (where he was town but posted entirely in pictures for the whole game) and Bullets over Broadway (where he was scum and replaced in after Day 2 or 3.......
I hosted G-Man in Guess Who and he tried a thing where he would begin each new post with the next letter of the alphabet.

I really don't have time atm to look at his posts in Bullets over Broadway or the other games he has played in but I am wondering what posting fun he tried to have in the other games he's played. I wonder if he even tries to do something funky with his posts if he is bad or if being on a team and having people to talk to BTS is enough for him to keep a game interesting. I don't see any themes running through his posts in this game, but I could be missing it. It's something to think about.

G-Man, do you do posting themes in each game despite your alighment? If so, can you tell us what you did in BoB when you were mafia?
Then there's this post, made just an hour and a half later, and with no posts in between.

If Elo is Sloonei's teammate, then her incredibly vague suspicion of Sloonei and subsequent backing off of it are sloppy and would almost surely get her lynched, eventually. So what do people think? Sloppy teammate distancing, not expecting Sloonei to get so much heat, or coincidental?
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Elohcin wrote:Okay, so I got a last minute cake order and am working tonight.I have one hour to read three pages and vote :p
Sloonei wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Golden wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:So did anyone get anything from the day zero poll?
I did not.
Me neither.
Same here
Not I.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Did anyone else notice how Elo seemingly jumped onto a vibes-based suspicion of Sloonei (which I held)
Maye I just like you. Watch out daisy!
MovingPictures07 wrote:and then dropped it, after I dropped it? What do folks think of that? I'm not sure what to make of Elo right now.
I didn't notice you dropped it.
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Elo, can you elaborate on your reads of those individuals in your most recent post? Particularly I'm interested in why you find me to be civilian this game, but in Economics, you said I seemed overly helpful.
In economics, it was like you were hyped up on caffeine. That was odd and suspicious to me. My memories of you being bad all include a bit of nuttiness. Today you seem calmly helpful, no nutty behavior.

Who else specifically would you like to hear about, I thought I elaborated already in reply to someone else.
Golden wrote:OK, at this point I will say what I think.

I think Elo's read on DDL was genuine, and it makes me feel good about her.

DDL expressed in our chat room that he found being mafia difficult, particularly on this site, and we all essentially agreed that he was getting caught and looked bad because you could sense he wasn't as comfortable in the thread. Elo is aware of this because she was in that chat room.

From my perspective, her reading DDL as good because he seems comfortable is legit, based on how things went down in Guess Who.

That doesn't mean DDL is good, of course, but I do think Elo's read was legitimate and it made me feel good about her.
MP this is exactly what I was thinking when I wrote the post about DDL. I wasn't going to elaborate this much as I feel like it was giving too much info about the Guess Who BTSC, but since Golden spelled it out for y'all :) there you go.

I am not done catching up, still over 2 pages to go, but I feel I ought to post for what I have read so far.
This is interesting. She didn't really further explain her vibes-based suspicion of Sloonei, just responded with a jokey post. I overlooked it at the time. I suppose I didn't ask her for a detailed explanation of it though.
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Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo, thanks!

How about: Where are you leaning for your vote today? Has it changed at all?

Linki with Ninja
If no one was finding me suspicious, I would most likely vote for G-man or sloonei (I know I said I would table my thoughts on sloonei). But, I am still back and forth on sloonei. He now finds me suspicious b/c I reread him and decided that I couldn't find any hard evidence against him? What?!? I wish G-Man would come in and talk.

But it looks like I may be trying to save myself :/
This is increasingly looking bad for Elo. All of it is so vague.
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Elohcin wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo, thanks!

How about: Where are you leaning for your vote today? Has it changed at all?

Linki with Ninja
If no one was finding me suspicious, I would most likely vote for G-man or sloonei (I know I said I would table my thoughts on sloonei). But, I am still back and forth on sloonei. He now finds me suspicious b/c I reread him and decided that I couldn't find any hard evidence against him? What?!? I wish G-Man would come in and talk.

But it looks like I may be trying to save myself :/
Why did you read him as "scummy" the first time, then? Moreover, why did you give in to a "vibe" rather than rereading him, if it would have left to the same lack of hard evidence, in theory?

I didn't give into a vibe, I just mentioned it. He challenged me to reread him and I found nothing astoundingly scummy. That was all. But his response to my response IS scummy to me.

MP your case on scotty makes a lot of sense.
Elo never explained at all what it was she found initially scummy... but as someone else who was sensing something off about Sloonei and had difficulty articulating it, I can relate.
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Elohcin wrote:I voted sloonei b/c of his response to me. That was odd for a civ.
Then her vote was cast for Sloonei, and the timing of it actually would qualify as unnecessary bussing if she were Sloonei's teammate. That could bode well for her.

What do you guys think of this? Is it a case of Golden where Elo was on the wrong side of the lynch, or does she look like a teammate? Why?
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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EBWOP: it should be noted that MANY of Elo's posts on Day 1 were interactions with Sloonei. Would a teammate be more likely to engage heavily with Sloonei or avoid interacting with him?
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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Interactions between Bass_the_Clever and Sloonei

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Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I agree with lorab.
What parts do you agree with and why? Does this mean you are suspicious of G-man? Who else do you suspect?
I agree that he seemed to be trying to get around the LD with the way he worded it.
I think he has played enough to know that a lot of games people just come out say "I'm civ" and it's not consider info dumping or role claiming. I think there are two watchmen who we know can turn on the civves or need a civvie dead to win if I'm reading the roles right.
This is Bass's first interaction with Sloonei. Null read from it, at least for my purposes.
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Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Golden wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Golden: Adverbs, smilies.
Yeah, sorry, was posting as catching up. I see you had already let it be known by that point :)
What do you think of the adverb/smiley line of reasoning, both generally and as it pertains to me this game? What is your read on me right now?
Why do you care what people think about you right now? You asked Llama this same question.
This is a question with a specific observation -- Sloonei seemed overly concerned with others' opinions of him. This bodes really well for Bass, in my opinion.
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Bass_the_Clever wrote:I don't know what it is but you seem kinda off this game.
This is kind of funny, in retrospect, since Bass just pointed out that Sloonei seemed overly concerned with even minute accusations against him.
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Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I don't know what it is but you seem kinda off this game.
Me? I encourage you to please try to figure out what it is.
Give me a day or two and I'm suree I will. Its not a bad thing you just seem different this game.
Now it starts to look worse, as Bass says he needs a day or two and he is "sure" that he will figure out what is wrong with Sloonei. What do people think of this? A convenient way for Bass to delay bussing his teammate for another day or hesitation on Bass's part since he had trouble tangoing with the talkative mafia Sloonei?
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Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I don't know what it is but you seem kinda off this game.
Me? I encourage you to please try to figure out what it is.
What is your gun to the head read on me?
A worthwhile question from Bass, putting pressure on Sloonei to commit to a read.
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Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I don't know what it is but you seem kinda off this game.
Me? I encourage you to please try to figure out what it is.
What is your gun to the head read on me?
Town. I like that you are asking me this question. It's bold and suggests you're being aggressive. Your posts feel more like BoB Bass than Economics Bass so far, and I hope you can continue to build on this.
I did feel like this post was a bit odd, though, since you've played with me a fee times now, and I tought you'd know that asking everyone a million questions was my bag, so you asking why I'm asking questions seemed a bit insincere.
I agree that asking questions is meta for you but you only asked Golden and Llama what they thought about you. I thought it was strange that you only asked those two people.
Bass elaborates a bit more that he thinks it's odd that Sloonei seemed focus on soliciting opinions only from Golden and Llama, regarding what they thought of him. A good point.

What do you guys think of this? Does Bass look like a contender for a Sloonei teammate or not so much?
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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I have to go, for now, hopefully some others can continue this analysis. I'll see what I can do later in the Night as well, but I may not be back much until Day 3's begin.
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I must be crazy. A quick search of the word "Moloch" during Day 2 doesn't bring much of anything. I guess it was my idea then. :P
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:I self-voted. I don't feel comfortable voting anyone else right now, and I have to place my vote now.
Metalmarsh, i'd like to know your rationale for this. I saw in rym #86 that you like your WIFOM, but I can't really make any sense of a person self-voting from my perspective. were you really that afraid of missing the vote?
I can think of one very good reason.
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, you say you "may think" Golden is your biggest suspect. Was he or wasn't he?
You understood that wrong. I said "I may think" in the sense of "even though I think". The point the setence was not to state that he was my main suspect, but to argue that I could still think that and yet be afraid of a mislynch.

So yeah, he was my main suspect.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Dragon D. Luffy, can you elaborate on your assertion here and provide evidence? You say you always "do that", as in vote early. I find it difficult to recall from the couple of games I've played with you. I want to see proof!
I wish I could, but apparently I can't find the poll threads of the previous games I played here. Apparently they are deleted after the games are over. But I remember playing that way in Economics, if my word is worth anything.
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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DDL, posting from phone just here for a second to say that the poll threads aren't deleted; they are merged with the main threads of each game, so you should be able to findthem if you search the host's posts in topic
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Re: Watchmen [Night 2]

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MovingPictures07 wrote:Hi espers!

That's a good question. I really have no idea what Moloch's powers could be, but he's shrouded with mystery, so anything is possible, hence why I threw him in there. If I recall correctly, I believe someone else brought up the same possibility, because I remember reading it at some point yesterday. Regarding whether power copying is common, I wouldn't say it's common, but it definitely happens often enough to warrant consideration.
Well if anything, I'd bet Ozymandias is the one who could control other people's actions, since the his description in the first post says he can manipulate many things.

Manhattan might be possible too, though it doesn't really fit the character as much, being already omnipotent.

linki: Ok I'm gonna look for it.
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